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#51 kuraimen
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some reviews should get removed if down voted by many people.Gen007
Then the same thing you're complaining about will happen. Fanboys from one side will down vote reviews from the other and viceversa. Personally, I think the fanboy factions tend to cancel each. There are approximately the same number of people rating a game a 0 for no reason whatsoever than those rating it a 10 for no reason whatsoever. In the end there's not much you can do about it.
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#52 XileLord
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I always look at metacritic but in system wars only Gamespot's score counts. No if's, and's, or but's. thems the rules

Anyone that does otherwise is a delusional noob

hummer700

Alright firstly

Just because we post on gamespot doesn't mean we have to be ignorant of every other review score. Flops are not determined by one critics opinion, that's basically saying one mans opinion is worth more than another mans opinion. Now you might be inclined to believe this if you hold biased to one man's opinion over another's so implying because we post here we have to be biased and ignorant is delusional in itself and then to say "anyone else who is not biased like me to one man's opinion and ignorant to everybody else's like me is a noob" is just mind blowing to me. (You realize that one review score is just one person's opinion right?)

I mean what argument are you going to make? People here need to start looking at the bigger picture. Secondly if Metacritics UC3 score is higher it is the better game review wise then GeoW3, this is a undeniable FACT. This is coming from somebody who owns both consoles but only plays one 90% of the time (360) is a huge gears fan and who supported the FZ4 Metacritic score as justifying the game is AAA (because it is AAA and anybody says otherwise needs to actually look at the review scores without being a biased fanboy)

Also to the poster I quoted, your so called "rules" can gtfo out of here because I'm not posting under them.

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#53 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I never said it was a flop, broski. Passive-aggressive, much?

I never said you did. :|

My bad, then. Just been getting a lot of passive aggressive people 'round here lately. This board has a kind of love-it/hate-it relationship with me, if you know what I mean. :P But I don't understand how anyone can claim a flop on this one. It was hyped AAAE. It scored AAAE. Sure, it didn't score better than Gears 3 (which is what Lemmings shoulld be using as ammo), but that don't make it a flop.

No problem, but I'm sure there are those calling it a flop due to it scoring less than Gears 3. PS3 fans shouldn't have to worry though considering it met its hype. Both sides like to be silly at times it seems. :P
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#54 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="hummer700"]

I always look at metacritic but in system wars only Gamespot's score counts. No if's, and's, or but's. thems the rules

Anyone that does otherwise is a delusional noob

XileLord

Alright firstly

Just because we post on gamespot doesn't mean we have to be ignorant of every other review score. Flops are not determined by one critics opinion, that's basically saying one mans opinion is worth more than another mans opinion. Now you might be inclined to believe this if you hold biased to one man's opinion over another's so implying because we post here we have to be biased and ignorant is delusional in itself and then to say "anyone else who is not biased like me to one man's opinion and ignorant to everybody else's like me is a noob" is just mind blowing to me. (You realize that one review score is just one person's opinion right?)

I mean what argument are you going to make? People here need to start looking at the bigger picture. Secondly if Metacritics UC3 score is higher it is the better game review wise then GeoW3, this is a undeniable FACT. This is coming from somebody who owns both consoles but only plays one 90% of the time (360) is a huge gears fan and who supported the FZ4 Metacritic score as justifying the game is AAA (because it is AAA and anybody says otherwise needs to actually look at the review scores without being a biased fanboy)

Also to the poster I quoted, your so called "rules" can gtfo out of here because I'm not posting under them.

No, that's exactly how it works. Flops determind by GS, use of metacritic for anything else.

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#55 freedomfreak
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It met the hype and it's a great score.The reason why people are joking around with this is because it failed to beat Gears.
It has always been UC vs Gears.

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#56 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="hummer700"]

I always look at metacritic but in system wars only Gamespot's score counts. No if's, and's, or but's. thems the rules

Anyone that does otherwise is a delusional noob

ActicEdge

Alright firstly

Just because we post on gamespot doesn't mean we have to be ignorant of every other review score. Flops are not determined by one critics opinion, that's basically saying one mans opinion is worth more than another mans opinion. Now you might be inclined to believe this if you hold biased to one man's opinion over another's so implying because we post here we have to be biased and ignorant is delusional in itself and then to say "anyone else who is not biased like me to one man's opinion and ignorant to everybody else's like me is a noob" is just mind blowing to me. (You realize that one review score is just one person's opinion right?)

I mean what argument are you going to make? People here need to start looking at the bigger picture. Secondly if Metacritics UC3 score is higher it is the better game review wise then GeoW3, this is a undeniable FACT. This is coming from somebody who owns both consoles but only plays one 90% of the time (360) is a huge gears fan and who supported the FZ4 Metacritic score as justifying the game is AAA (because it is AAA and anybody says otherwise needs to actually look at the review scores without being a biased fanboy)

Also to the poster I quoted, your so called "rules" can gtfo out of here because I'm not posting under them.

No, that's exactly how it works. Flops determind by GS, use of metacritic for anything else.

Sorry bro, keep your rules to yourself because that's not how I do things and will ever do things. You either look at the bigger picture or you continue being ignorant and biased.

That my good friend is how it works.

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#57 freedomfreak
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Sorry bro, keep your rules to yourself because that's not how I do things and will ever do things. You either look at the bigger picture or you continue being ignorant and biased.


That my good friend is how it works.

XileLord


That's your problem.We have been doing this for a long time.Flops are determined by GS' scores.It's just a game.dwi.

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#58 Gen007
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[QUOTE="Gen007"] some reviews should get removed if down voted by many people.kuraimen
Then the same thing you're complaining about will happen. Fanboys from one side will down vote reviews from the other and viceversa. Personally, I think the fanboy factions tend to cancel each. There are approximately the same number of people rating a game a 0 for no reason whatsoever than those rating it a 10 for no reason whatsoever. In the end there's not much you can do about it.

I mean i wouldnt leave it up to the people but a review with a large amount of down votes should get checked out by a mod or something that has the final judgement ove weather it gets removed or not.

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#59 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No, that's exactly how it works. Flops determind by GS, use of metacritic for anything else.

XileLord

Sorry bro, keep your rules to yourself because that's not how I do things and will ever do things. You either look at the bigger picture or you continue being ignorant and biased.

That my good friend is how it works.

When we determine whether a game flops or not we use Gamespot. Now when we say flop we don't mean its a bad game. We mean that it failed to live up to its hype. Now if you're talking about a game in general and how good it is then you're free to use any other reviews you think are worthy of discussing.

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#60 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]Sorry bro, keep your rules to yourself because that's not how I do things and will ever do things. You either look at the bigger picture or you continue being ignorant and biased.


That my good friend is how it works.

freedomfreak


That's your problem.We have been doing this for a long time.Flops are determined by GS' scores.It's just a game.dwi.

Except they aren't, only by many people on this site they are.

btw I'm not arguing against that, they can follow whatever opinion they want and claim it as fact. I'd rather look at the majority of opinions and make truth from that, don't see why anybody else wouldn't honestly.

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GS score is law, MC is secondary Diviniuz
GS = small sample size (one freaking opinion) MC = large sample size (various professional reviews) you tell me which one makes more sense to abide by ...
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#62 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No, that's exactly how it works. Flops determind by GS, use of metacritic for anything else.

Ragnarok1051

Sorry bro, keep your rules to yourself because that's not how I do things and will ever do things. You either look at the bigger picture or you continue being ignorant and biased.

That my good friend is how it works.

When we determine whether a game flops or not we use Gamespot. Now when we say flop we don't mean its a bad game. We mean that it failed to live up to its hype. Now if you're talking about a game in general and how good it is then you're free to use any other reviews you think are worthy of discussing.

You mean here right? and that's if the majority here are following these so called "rules" set in stone. Because claiming the GS score determines overall if a game flopped or not is even more ridiculous.

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#63 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

[QUOTE="XileLord"]Sorry bro, keep your rules to yourself because that's not how I do things and will ever do things. You either look at the bigger picture or you continue being ignorant and biased.


That my good friend is how it works.

XileLord


That's your problem.We have been doing this for a long time.Flops are determined by GS' scores.It's just a game.dwi.

Except they aren't, only by many people on this site they are.

btw I'm not arguing against that, they can follow whatever opinion they want and claim it as fact. I'd rather look at the majority of opinions and make truth from that, don't see why anybody else wouldn't honestly.

It's not about it being the better game or not.It's a simple forum game we play here,that apparently a lot of people just don't get.

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[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]GS score is law, MC is secondary rasengan2552
GS = small sample size (one freaking opinion) MC = large sample size (various professional reviews) you tell me which one makes more sense to abide by ...

The game is based on what Gamespot will score it. We could care less what IGN gave it or any other review sites.
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#65 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="XileLord"] Sorry bro, keep your rules to yourself because that's not how I do things and will ever do things. You either look at the bigger picture or you continue being ignorant and biased.

That my good friend is how it works.

XileLord

When we determine whether a game flops or not we use Gamespot. Now when we say flop we don't mean its a bad game. We mean that it failed to live up to its hype. Now if you're talking about a game in general and how good it is then you're free to use any other reviews you think are worthy of discussing.

You mean here right? and that's if the majority here are following these so called "rules" set in stone. Because claiming the GS score determines overall if a game flopped or not is even more ridiculous.

Do you understand what we mean when we say flop? I don't think you do. A game is hyped AAA, which is a 9 or a 9.5 here. If it gets anything less than a 9 then it is a flop. Why is it a flop? Because it didn't obtain the AAA rating that the majority said it would. We aren't saying its a bad game because an 8.5 is a great score, but it did not live up to its AAA hype.

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#66 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="XileLord"] Alright firstly

Just because we post on gamespot doesn't mean we have to be ignorant of every other review score. Flops are not determined by one critics opinion, that's basically saying one mans opinion is worth more than another mans opinion. Now you might be inclined to believe this if you hold biased to one man's opinion over another's so implying because we post here we have to be biased and ignorant is delusional in itself and then to say "anyone else who is not biased like me to one man's opinion and ignorant to everybody else's like me is a noob" is just mind blowing to me. (You realize that one review score is just one person's opinion right?)

I mean what argument are you going to make? People here need to start looking at the bigger picture. Secondly if Metacritics UC3 score is higher it is the better game review wise then GeoW3, this is a undeniable FACT. This is coming from somebody who owns both consoles but only plays one 90% of the time (360) is a huge gears fan and who supported the FZ4 Metacritic score as justifying the game is AAA (because it is AAA and anybody says otherwise needs to actually look at the review scores without being a biased fanboy)

Also to the poster I quoted, your so called "rules" can gtfo out of here because I'm not posting under them.

XileLord

No, that's exactly how it works. Flops determind by GS, use of metacritic for anything else.

Sorry bro, keep your rules to yourself because that's not how I do things and will ever do things. You either look at the bigger picture or you continue being ignorant and biased.

That my good friend is how it works.

Luckily no one cares about your opinion in SW official rules :)

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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Diviniuz"]GS score is law, MC is secondary Ragnarok1051
GS = small sample size (one freaking opinion) MC = large sample size (various professional reviews) you tell me which one makes more sense to abide by ...

The game is based on what Gamespot will score it. We could care less what IGN gave it or any other review sites.

Why are you talking about IGN ??? I said MC. Sites like MC and Gamerankings are the most reliable review sites on the entire net, nobody cares about GS, outside of the posters who post here. IGN has even less credibility nowadays.

MC is a COMPILATION of profressional reviews, basically a consensus.

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#68 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"] GS = small sample size (one freaking opinion) MC = large sample size (various professional reviews) you tell me which one makes more sense to abide by ...

The game is based on what Gamespot will score it. We could care less what IGN gave it or any other review sites.

Why are you talking about IGN ??? I said MC. Sites like MC and Gamerankings are the most reliable review sites on the entire net, nobody cares about GS, outside of the posters who post here.

Metacritic is made up of scores from IGN and any other review sites...
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#69 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]
That's your problem.We have been doing this for a long time.Flops are determined by GS' scores.It's just a game.dwi.

freedomfreak

Except they aren't, only by many people on this site they are.

btw I'm not arguing against that, they can follow whatever opinion they want and claim it as fact. I'd rather look at the majority of opinions and make truth from that, don't see why anybody else wouldn't honestly.

It's not about it being the better game or not.It's a simple forum game we play here,that apparently a lot of people just don't get.

I really don't know how to lay it out any clearer than this

If the majority of the people here follow the rules that a game flops based on the GS score, then the game can only flop on this site and to those set of people. For example if the game got a 9.0 on IGN the people on IGN wouldn't consider the game to have flopped, now lets compile the reviews from the majority of the sites/magazines to see where it flopped and where it didn't.

If it was AAA on most sites and it's hype was AAA then it lived up to the hype. This is how critical reception has been determined for a long time, why are you trying to argue against that?


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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] The game is based on what Gamespot will score it. We could care less what IGN gave it or any other review sites.

Why are you talking about IGN ??? I said MC. Sites like MC and Gamerankings are the most reliable review sites on the entire net, nobody cares about GS, outside of the posters who post here.

Metacritic is made up of scores from IGN and any other review sites...

exactly my point though ... as opposed to IGN's ONE man opinion and Gamespots ONE man opinion.
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#72 eNT1TY
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Man Uncharted haters cry the loudest.... rivals Halo hate.
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#73 gaming25
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Forza flopped, UC3 didnt. Which is the biggest differece when comparing scores.

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I really don't know how to lay it out any clearer then this

If the majority of the people here follow the rules that a game flops based on the GS score, then the game can only flop on this site and to those set of people. For example if the game got a 9.0 on IGN the people on IGN wouldn't consider the game to have flopped, now lets compile the reviews from the majority of the sites/magazines to see where it flopped and where it didn't.

If it was AAA on most sites and it's hype was AAA then it lived up to the hype. This is how critical reception has been determined for a long time, why are you trying to argue against that?


XileLord

We're not talking about critical reception though. We're just talking about Gamespot. This is a game only played on Gamespot.

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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]Why are you talking about IGN ??? I said MC. Sites like MC and Gamerankings are the most reliable review sites on the entire net, nobody cares about GS, outside of the posters who post here.

Metacritic is made up of scores from IGN and any other review sites...

exactly my point though ... as opposed to IGN's ONE man opinion and Gamespots ONE man opinion.

Do you know how the game is played?
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I really don't know how to lay it out any clearer than this

XileLord

You really,really don't get it.But that doesn't matter,a lot of people don't. Fact is.It's a simple game we play on GS to play around with flops.It really is that simple,if you can't handle that,that's fine.You're just looking to much into it.

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] Metacritic is made up of scores from IGN and any other review sites...

exactly my point though ... as opposed to IGN's ONE man opinion and Gamespots ONE man opinion.

Do you know how the game is played?

Yes ..... according to Gamespot SW rules FM4 is worse than GT5 (stupid right ?) and Gears Of War 3 is slightly better than Uncharted 3 (really ?) The "game" is broken, and needs a patch.
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#78 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]exactly my point though ... as opposed to IGN's ONE man opinion and Gamespots ONE man opinion.rasengan2552
Do you know how the game is played?

Yes ..... according to Gamespot SW rules FM4 is worse than GT5 (stupid right ?) and Gears Of War 3 is slightly better than Uncharted 3 (really ?) The "game" is broken, and needs a patch.

It's not better nor worse.It's a way of determining a flop.
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#79 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] Do you know how the game is played?

Yes ..... according to Gamespot SW rules FM4 is worse than GT5 (stupid right ?) and Gears Of War 3 is slightly better than Uncharted 3 (really ?) The "game" is broken, and needs a patch.

It's not better nor worse.It's a way of determining a flop.

Is a FM4 a flop by GS standards ?
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]exactly my point though ... as opposed to IGN's ONE man opinion and Gamespots ONE man opinion.rasengan2552
Do you know how the game is played?

Yes ..... according to Gamespot SW rules FM4 is worse than GT5 (stupid right ?) and Gears Of War 3 is slightly better than Uncharted 3 (really ?) The "game" is broken, and needs a patch.

Gamespot is used to determine a flop, and not the overall quality of competing games. Once you stop talking about flops then you are free to use any review site you please. If you want to use Gamespot to determine quality then don't be mad when others bring in different review sites.
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#81 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"] Yes ..... according to Gamespot SW rules FM4 is worse than GT5 (stupid right ?) and Gears Of War 3 is slightly better than Uncharted 3 (really ?) The "game" is broken, and needs a patch.

It's not better nor worse.It's a way of determining a flop.

Is a FM4 a flop by GS standards ?

Yes,it is.It was hyped AAA and it got AA.
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#82 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]

I really don't know how to lay it out any clearer then this

If the majority of the people here follow the rules that a game flops based on the GS score, then the game can only flop on this site and to those set of people. For example if the game got a 9.0 on IGN the people on IGN wouldn't consider the game to have flopped, now lets compile the reviews from the majority of the sites/magazines to see where it flopped and where it didn't.

If it was AAA on most sites and it's hype was AAA then it lived up to the hype. This is how critical reception has been determined for a long time, why are you trying to argue against that?


Ragnarok1051

We're not talking about critical reception though. We're just talking about Gamespot. This is a game only played on Gamespot.

Except it's not. The game is played by millions of players around the world, reviewed by 70-120+ critics. Sorry but one critics opinion doesn't determine if a game has flopped or not, to say otherwise like I said before is just ridiculous. You can say the game flopped here, but flopped in general? Nope and if it did flop on GS you can't say everybody has to conform with the belief it flopped, only with the belief that it flopped here. Just like I could say UC3 only got a 9.0 here, but it's got a 93 on Metacritic which makes the overall review score a 93 because it's also factoring in the GS score.

You can't say the GS review score solely determines wither a game is good or not without being ignorant or biased. You also can't shuv rules down peoples throats unless you got a majority opinion here and if you do have the majority opinion then the game reviewed would still only be subject to this website. Meaning just because Forza 4 flopped here doesn't mean it's a flop overall unless the average review score compiled by 70-120+ critics hasn't met the hype.

Prove me wrong?

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#83 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"] Yes ..... according to Gamespot SW rules FM4 is worse than GT5 (stupid right ?) and Gears Of War 3 is slightly better than Uncharted 3 (really ?) The "game" is broken, and needs a patch.

It's not better nor worse.It's a way of determining a flop.

Is a FM4 a flop by GS standards ?

A flop yes because it didn't reach the AAA hype it had. Its not a flop as in a bad game though.
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#84 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]exactly my point though ... as opposed to IGN's ONE man opinion and Gamespots ONE man opinion.rasengan2552
Do you know how the game is played?

Yes ..... according to Gamespot SW rules FM4 is worse than GT5 (stupid right ?) and Gears Of War 3 is slightly better than Uncharted 3 (really ?) The "game" is broken, and needs a patch.

Flop doesn't mean worse. It means did not achieve scored that had highest number of votes in hype thread. As far as GeoW 3 vs U3, when U3 comes out then you can type "really". Until then you have no way of knowing.

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#85 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="XileLord"]

I really don't know how to lay it out any clearer then this

If the majority of the people here follow the rules that a game flops based on the GS score, then the game can only flop on this site and to those set of people. For example if the game got a 9.0 on IGN the people on IGN wouldn't consider the game to have flopped, now lets compile the reviews from the majority of the sites/magazines to see where it flopped and where it didn't.

If it was AAA on most sites and it's hype was AAA then it lived up to the hype. This is how critical reception has been determined for a long time, why are you trying to argue against that?

XileLord

We're not talking about critical reception though. We're just talking about Gamespot. This is a game only played on Gamespot.

Except it's not. The game is played by millions of players around the world, reviewed by 70-120+ critics. Sorry but one critics opinion doesn't determine if a game has flopped or not, to say otherwise like I said before is just ridiculous. You can say the game flopped here, but flopped in general? Nope and if it did flop on GS you can't say everybody has to conform with the belief it flopped, only with the belief that it flopped here. Just like I could say UC3 only got a 9.0 here, but it's got a 93 on Metacritic which makes the overall review score a 93 because it's also factoring in the GS score.

You can't say the GS review score solely determines wither a game is good or not without being ignorant or biased. You also can't shuv rules down peoples throats unless you got a majority opinion here and if you do have the majority opinion then the game reviewed would still only be subject to this website. Meaning just because Forza 4 flopped here doesn't mean it's a flop overall unless the average review score compiled by 70-120+ critics hasn't met the hype.

Prove me wrong?

He's talking about the meta-game, bro. :|

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#86 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] Do you know how the game is played?

Yes ..... according to Gamespot SW rules FM4 is worse than GT5 (stupid right ?) and Gears Of War 3 is slightly better than Uncharted 3 (really ?) The "game" is broken, and needs a patch.

Gamespot is used to determine a flop, and not the overall quality of competing games. Once you stop talking about flops then you are free to use any review site you please. If you want to use Gamespot to determine quality then don't be mad when others bring in different review sites.

You'll never see me using GS to determine quality though, I only use MC. Why ? because its the least biased option available.
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#87 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="XileLord"]

I really don't know how to lay it out any clearer then this

If the majority of the people here follow the rules that a game flops based on the GS score, then the game can only flop on this site and to those set of people. For example if the game got a 9.0 on IGN the people on IGN wouldn't consider the game to have flopped, now lets compile the reviews from the majority of the sites/magazines to see where it flopped and where it didn't.

If it was AAA on most sites and it's hype was AAA then it lived up to the hype. This is how critical reception has been determined for a long time, why are you trying to argue against that?


XileLord

We're not talking about critical reception though. We're just talking about Gamespot. This is a game only played on Gamespot.

Except it's not. The game is played by millions of players around the world, reviewed by 70-120+ critics. Sorry but one critics opinion doesn't determine if a game has flopped or not, to say otherwise like I said before is just ridiculous. You can say the game flopped here, but flopped in general? Nope and if it did flop on GS you can't say everybody has to conform with the belief it flopped, only with the belief that it flopped here. Just like I could say UC3 only got a 9.0 here, but it's got a 93 on Metacritic which makes the overall review score a 93 because it's also factoring in the GS score.

You can't say the GS review score solely determines wither a game is good or not without being ignorant or biased. You also can't shuv rules down peoples throats unless you got a majority opinion here and if you do have the majority opinion then the game reviewed would still only be subject to this website. Meaning just because Forza 4 flopped here doesn't mean it's a flop overall unless the average review score compiled by 70-120+ critics hasn't met the hype.

Prove me wrong?

So everyone all over the world just uses Gamespot scores? Its a fun game that is played on System Wars, and the best way to maintain consistent rules is to use Gamespot scores. Its really that simple. A flop is not a bad game, but one that didn't meet the hype. What is so hard to understand about this?

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#88 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]

I really don't know how to lay it out any clearer than this

freedomfreak

You really,really don't get it.But that doesn't matter,a lot of people don't. Fact is.It's a simple game we play on GS to play around with flops.It really is that simple,if you can't handle that,that's fine.You're just looking to much into it.

What don't I get exactly? I understand the "flop" game here, I've only been on this site 6 years now. I never denied it can't flop here, I only denied that if it does flop here it doesn't make it a flop overall unless it's got a majority of flopping everywhere else.




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#89 Ragnarok1051
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You'll never see me using GS to determine quality though, I only use MC. Why ? because its the least biased option available.rasengan2552
And that is fine. However if you enter into a conversation about flops don't be mad when they only use Gamespot scores. :)
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#90 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

We're not talking about critical reception though. We're just talking about Gamespot. This is a game only played on Gamespot.

Ragnarok1051

Except it's not. The game is played by millions of players around the world, reviewed by 70-120+ critics. Sorry but one critics opinion doesn't determine if a game has flopped or not, to say otherwise like I said before is just ridiculous. You can say the game flopped here, but flopped in general? Nope and if it did flop on GS you can't say everybody has to conform with the belief it flopped, only with the belief that it flopped here. Just like I could say UC3 only got a 9.0 here, but it's got a 93 on Metacritic which makes the overall review score a 93 because it's also factoring in the GS score.

You can't say the GS review score solely determines wither a game is good or not without being ignorant or biased. You also can't shuv rules down peoples throats unless you got a majority opinion here and if you do have the majority opinion then the game reviewed would still only be subject to this website. Meaning just because Forza 4 flopped here doesn't mean it's a flop overall unless the average review score compiled by 70-120+ critics hasn't met the hype.

Prove me wrong?

So everyone all over the world just uses Gamespot scores? Its a fun game that is played on System Wars, and the best way to maintain consistent rules is to use Gamespot scores. Its really that simple. A flop is not a bad game, but one that didn't meet the hype. What is so hard to understand about this?

You mean meet the hype here right? Because it can be a flop here that wasn't my arguement, my arguement was just because it's a flop here doesn't mean the games flopped overall. What is so hard to understand about that?

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Some people either don't want to agree on the GS Metagame terms or just want to troll, because that's how things have ALWAYS been.:P But of course, people have to DC and bring up other sites. Like EVERYONE stated in here, a game is a flop if it doesn't meet it's HYPE and it exceeds it's HYPE if it scores higher than it's HYPE. How hard is it to understand these simple System Wars rules that have been in use for many, many years now.:?

Be happy that it's not the same as last generation, where any game that doesn't get a AAA rating, is a flop. Be happy my fellow fanboys.:lol:

You can bring up MC all you want when it isn't Metagame based over here, but when we talking about flops, it is correlated towards the HYPE the game got. Flopza 4 is a flop, Uncharted 3 isn't a flop.:P

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#92 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

[QUOTE="XileLord"]

I really don't know how to lay it out any clearer than this

XileLord

You really,really don't get it.But that doesn't matter,a lot of people don't. Fact is.It's a simple game we play on GS to play around with flops.It really is that simple,if you can't handle that,that's fine.You're just looking to much into it.

What don't I get exactly? I understand the "flop" game here, I've only been on this site 6 years now. I never denied it can't flop here, I only denied that if it does flop here it doesn't make it a flop overall unless it's got a majority of flopping everywhere else.



It doesn't matter if it doesn't flop anywhere else.I'm not going to repeat myself again.

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#93 Ragnarok1051
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You mean meet the hype here right? Because it can be a flop here that wasn't my arguement, my arguement was just because it's a flop here doesn't mean the games flopped overall. What is so hard to understand about that?

XileLord

I've been saying that the whole time. Just because a game flops here doesn't mean its a bad game.

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#94 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]You'll never see me using GS to determine quality though, I only use MC. Why ? because its the least biased option available.Ragnarok1051
And that is fine. However if you enter into a conversation about flops don't be mad when they only use Gamespot scores. :)

I will be mad, because that system is flawed. Its much more concise to take multiple reviews into consideration than just one review for each game. using one person's calculation to compile data is flawed no matter how you look at it.
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]You'll never see me using GS to determine quality though, I only use MC. Why ? because its the least biased option available.rasengan2552
And that is fine. However if you enter into a conversation about flops don't be mad when they only use Gamespot scores. :)

I will be mad, because that system is flawed. Its much more concise to take multiple reviews into consideration than just one review for each game. using one person's calculation to compile data is flawed no matter how you look at it.

There is no data, no standard deviation, no z-score, no nothing... It's a simple GAME people.:|

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People in SW using whatever means necessary to support their arguments? Not a chance

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#97 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] You really,really don't get it.But that doesn't matter,a lot of people don't. Fact is.It's a simple game we play on GS to play around with flops.It really is that simple,if you can't handle that,that's fine.You're just looking to much into it.

freedomfreak

What don't I get exactly? I understand the "flop" game here, I've only been on this site 6 years now. I never denied it can't flop here, I only denied that if it does flop here it doesn't make it a flop overall unless it's got a majority of flopping everywhere else.



It doesn't matter if it doesn't flop anywhere else.I'm not going to repeat myself again.

/facepalm

speak for yourself. This is 1 credible review site over 60+ not even counting the magazines. The game can flop here, my arguement is that just because it didn't live up to the hype here according to the review here doesn't mean it hasn't mostly everywhere else. In other words, it does matter if it does or does not flop anywhere else, why the hell wouldn't it? Seriously :|


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#98 XileLord
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]You mean meet the hype here right? Because it can be a flop here that wasn't my arguement, my arguement was just because it's a flop here doesn't mean the games flopped overall. What is so hard to understand about that?

Ragnarok1051

I've been saying that the whole time. Just because a game flops here doesn't mean its a bad game.

You misunderstand my post then because I was arguing and saying the same thing as you.

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#99 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]You'll never see me using GS to determine quality though, I only use MC. Why ? because its the least biased option available.rasengan2552
And that is fine. However if you enter into a conversation about flops don't be mad when they only use Gamespot scores. :)

I will be mad, because that system is flawed. Its much more concise to take multiple reviews into consideration than just one review for each game. using one person's calculation to compile data is flawed no matter how you look at it.

What data? Its a simple game that's apparently harder to understand than I thought.
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#100 rasengan2552
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Some people either don't want to agree on the GS Metagame terms or just want to troll, because that's how things have ALWAYS been.:P But of course, people have to DC and bring up other sites. Like EVERYONE stated in here, a game is a flop if it doesn't meet it's HYPE and it exceeds it's HYPE if it scores higher than it's HYPE. How hard is it to understand these simple System Wars rules that have been in use for many, many years now.:?

Be happy that it's not the same as last generation, where any game that doesn't get a AAA rating, is a flop. Be happy my fellow fanboys.:lol:

You can bring up MC all you want when it isn't Metagame based over here, but when we talking about flops, it is correlated towards the HYPE the game got. Flopza 4 is a flop, Uncharted 3 isn't a flop.:P

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I understand, I understand that we have been playing a broken game for years ... that was even more broken before but is only slightly less broken today. The system war arguments will get better once other review sites are allowed to be taken into account, trust me.