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#1 gensigns
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Graphics won't matter any more. correct?
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#2 theuncharted34
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what are you saying?

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#3 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="gensigns"]Graphics won't matter any more. correct?

Nobody will compare the wii 2 with a 6 year old console.
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#4 DillonShwing
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What is this I dont even...

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#5 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Huh?
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#6 Wasdie  Moderator
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And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

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#7 StealthMonkey4
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And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

Wasdie

Lmao, this is probably what will end up happening.:lol:

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#8 theuncharted34
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And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

Wasdie

and I'm barack obama.

:P

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

theuncharted34

and I'm barack obama.

:P

For all we know, you might be >__>
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#10 Macka9000
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And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

Wasdie
Exactly what I was thinking
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#11 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="gensigns"]Graphics won't matter any more. correct?Sandvichman
Nobody will compare the wii 2 with a 6 year old console.

I think that the sad thing is that the graphics will be comparable.

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#12 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

charizard1605

and I'm barack obama.

:P

For all we know, you might be >__>

could be, ya never know. :P

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#13 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="gensigns"]Graphics won't matter any more. correct?

Nobody will compare the wii 2 with a 6 year old console.

Multiplats will be compared
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#14 MrSelf-Destruct
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.....Sony and Microsoft will be announcing consoles that will make it look like the Sega Saturn. :P
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#15 PC_Otter
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Graphics will always matter to some degree. It's just an issue of using them effectively to help convey the scene to the player.

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#16 theuncharted34
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.....Sony and Microsoft will be announcing consoles that will make it look like the Sega Saturn. :PMrSelf-Destruct

then they will be 3 and a half generations stronger? since the wii's only a gen behind the ps3 and 360, that'd be impossible. :P

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#17 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

and I'm barack obama.

:P

theuncharted34

For all we know, you might be >__>

could be, ya never know. :P

You'd tell me if you were, wouldn't you?
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#18 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] For all we know, you might be >__>charizard1605

could be, ya never know. :P

You'd tell me if you were, wouldn't you?

yes. I'd also tell you if I was batman. ...*hint*

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#19 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

could be, ya never know. :P

theuncharted34

You'd tell me if you were, wouldn't you?

yes. I'd also tell you if I was batman. ...*hint*

You can't possibly be Batman. I'M Batman. 8)
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#20 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] You'd tell me if you were, wouldn't you?charizard1605

yes. I'd also tell you if I was batman. ...*hint*

You can't possibly be Batman. I'M Batman. 8)

my mistake I'm grimmjow. I always get those 2 mixed up. ... :P

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#21 Funconsole
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I'm confused as to the purpose of this thread? :?
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#22 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

yes. I'd also tell you if I was batman. ...*hint*

theuncharted34

You can't possibly be Batman. I'M Batman. 8)

my mistake I'm grimmjow. I always get those 2 mixed up. ... :P

Nah, no problems. Did you hear about the problems I've been having lately? Being a multimillionaire can have its fair share of problems: http://www.cracked.com/blog/if-bruce-wayne-was-more-like-other-guys/
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#23 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] You can't possibly be Batman. I'M Batman. 8)charizard1605

my mistake I'm grimmjow. I always get those 2 mixed up. ... :P

Nah, no problems. Did you hear about the problems I've been having lately? Being a multimillionaire can have its fair share of problems: http://www.cracked.com/blog/if-bruce-wayne-was-more-like-other-guys/

I've read a third of that, and I'm reading the rest now. I am laughing so hard :lol:

:P

EDIT:

LOL that was good. :P

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#24 ronvalencia
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And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

Wasdie

PCB price doesn't change much i.e. the latest Radeon HD 6770 still in 128bit external bus.

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#25 Riverwolf007
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they can spray paint an alienware tower white but if i am stuck with playing the umpteenth version of mario, zelda, metroid and all the rest of the franchises i don't care about then what difference doesit make?

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#26 Microsoft1234
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I'm actually kinda excited, I've wanted a new console for a bit (i got 360 and wii near launch for both) so i expect sony and ms to come out in 2012. Which is what I was predicting all along.7 year life for a 360 is pretty good, same for 6 with ps3. surprised the wii only will have 5 year lifespan.
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And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

Wasdie
The funny thing is, it may not matter. We already are having a lot of people unable to see much improvement in graphics from top of the line PC graphics to console stuff that is now 5 years old. If you now raise that bar to around top of the line, the amount of improvement that is really detectable, or even worse considered significant, is going to be quite low. On top of that, you also have the issue that the developers just aren't pushing that hard anymore. A lot still consider Crysis to be top level graphically, and it is years old now.
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#28 PC_Otter
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

DerekLoffin
The funny thing is, it may not matter. We already are having a lot of people unable to see much improvement in graphics from top of the line PC graphics to console stuff that is now 5 years old. If you now raise that bar to around top of the line, the amount of improvement that is really detectable, or even worse considered significant, is going to be quite low. On top of that, you also have the issue that the developers just aren't pushing that hard anymore. A lot still consider Crysis to be top level graphically, and it is years old now.

I believe "diminishing returns" is a good description. The obvious features of texture and polygonal resolution are still in need of a jump or two. But the real work is in environment behavior.
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#29 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="gensigns"]Graphics won't matter any more. correct?GeneralShowzer

Nobody will compare the wii 2 with a 6 year old console.

I think that the sad thing is that the graphics will be comparable.

I don't see it like that at all. They're just fashionably late to the HD party, but they're turning up in the best car with the hottest chick.
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#30 Bigboi500
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And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

Wasdie

There is no way in hell Sony will release the PS4 in 2012 or 2013 and you know this. More likely they'll announce it in 2014 with a release date for sometime in 2015.

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#31 silversix_
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Why do you compare next gen to current gen? Its like comparing 360 to GC, which have better graphics? When 720 and ps4 is out then compare it to Wii 2 which will be crushed as always.
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#32 themyth01
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It even looks as if Nintendo had made the platform easy to port current-gen games to it too. Lol @ the graphics wars then.
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#33 Heil68
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The interesting thing would be on multi plats if they make the Wii 2 version "better" than PS3/360. Regardless, graphics will still matter and the next MS/Sony console will more powerful than the Nintendo and we'll be right back where we started,
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#34 tomarlyn
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Why do you compare next gen to current gen? Its like comparing 360 to GC, which have better graphics? When 720 and ps4 is out then compare it to Wii 2 which will be crushed as always.silversix_

Multiplats will be compared for better or for worse. If they're the same game on all three systems why can't they be compared? Hermits will do this all the time when the BF3 console pics are finally shown and PC tech is years ahead.

Wii 2 gets the best version of a console multiplat - Cows and Lemmings: ''well duh, its a new console''

Wii 2 gets a multiplat that looks no better than the opposition - Cows and Lemmings: ''lol @ Nintendo's next-gen console''

So either Wii 2 gets compared with the other two consoles this gen or it gets compared with the PC. It will be stuck between a rock and a hard place one way or the other as far as the system war goes.

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[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"].....Sony and Microsoft will be announcing consoles that will make it look like the Sega Saturn. :Ptheuncharted34

then they will be 3 and a half generations stronger? since the wii's only a gen behind the ps3 and 360, that'd be impossible. :P

I was exaggerating, of course, but I don't doubt they'll show it up pretty bad. Nintendo does a little hop and the other two will take a giant leap right over them.
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#36 tomarlyn
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The interesting thing would be on multi plats if they make the Wii 2 version "better" than PS3/360. Regardless, graphics will still matter and the next MS/Sony console will more powerful than the Nintendo and we'll be right back where we started, Heil68
Not if MS and Sony only make a minor jump and Cafe can still handle multiplats. A 2-3 year head start may be enough to make it lead platform unless its consigned to the same fate as the Dreamcast, as the in-between generation system.
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#37 Lost-Memory
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

StealthMonkey4

Lmao, this is probably what will end up happening.:lol:

Somehow, I HIGHLY doubt it.
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#38 StealthSting
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What? You mean--graphics will matter again?

Because that's pretty much what I've been seeing all over the place. Ninty fans with the usual argument that graphics was never really a set back for the Wii and most of them are now drooling at the prospect of seeing their favorite franchises on a more powerful system. I wonder if people would still be satisfied at all with a Wii 2 that was still far below 360 quality, I might have believed that a few weeks ago, but not anymore and that's good, because, yes, quality hardware does matter.

Outside of that, we don't even know anything about the console yet that has been confirmed so I would wait 'til E3.

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#39 Demonjoe93
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

theuncharted34

and I'm barack obama.

:P

Herman Cain 2012!:D

Sorry Mr. President.

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#40 Demonjoe93
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] You'd tell me if you were, wouldn't you?charizard1605

yes. I'd also tell you if I was batman. ...*hint*

You can't possibly be Batman. I'M Batman. 8)

Hey,I'm Robin! So that's where you've been!8)

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#41 NeonNinja
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Once Nintendo releases the most powerful console available, MS and Sony will follow-up later with even more powerful consoles... :|

And then those will remain as standards as PC hardware continues to improve.

What are you talking about TC?

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And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

Wasdie
which will cost $1000
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#43 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

NintendoNite

which will cost $1000

22 nm process tech yields cheaper Radeon HD 6870 i.e 140 mm^2 die size which is about same size as thecurrent(40nm process tech) Radeon HD 4770's 137 mm^2 die size. 4770 GDDR5 version rivals Radeon HD 4830 and Geforce GTS 250. XBOX 360 Slim's XCGPU die size is 169 mm^2.

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[QUOTE="NintendoNite"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And then a year later Sony and Microsoft will launch their consoles which will be 5x the power of the new Nintendo one.

ronvalencia

which will cost $1000

22 nm process tech yields cheaper Radeon HD 6870 i.e 140 mm^2 die size which is about same size as thecurrent(40nm process tech) Radeon HD 4770's 137 mm^2 die size. 4770 GDDR5 version rivals Radeon HD 4830 and Geforce GTS 250. XBOX 360 Slim's XCGPU die size is 169 mm^2.

doesnt matter. sony will jack up the price just because they can and want money.
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#45 LegatoSkyheart
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I see what you did there. ;)

and Gameplay > Graphics.

See Okamiden.

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#46 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="NintendoNite"] which will cost $1000NintendoNite

22 nm process tech yields cheaper Radeon HD 6870 i.e 140 mm^2 die size which is about same size as thecurrent(40nm process tech) Radeon HD 4770's 137 mm^2 die size. 4770 GDDR5 version rivals Radeon HD 4830 and Geforce GTS 250. XBOX 360 Slim's XCGPU die size is 169 mm^2.

doesnt matter. sony will jack up the price just because they can and want money.

AMD Radeon HD 5800, 6.287 million transisiors per mm^2

AMD Radeon HD 6800, 6.67 million transisiors per mm^2

NVIDIA Geforce GTX460, 5.31 million transisiors per mm^2 (die size is larger than Radeon HD5800)

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AMD easily beats NVIDIA in transisiors per mm^2.

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#47 evilross
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Graphics won't matter any more. correct?gensigns

So if Nintendo does put out a console that can output in HD and make pretty looking games, for Nintendo fans, graphics suddenly matter?

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#48 falconclan
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I wouldn't mind it if this was a new standard for the industry. Having 3 consoles that release so close together is so boring, pointless, and expensive. Even having one in between makes it easier for developers to expand what they can do on current consoles. As most probably know, Crytek recently complained about console limitations, then said 8gb should be standard next generation... Thats way overkill, but they have a point, generations that are this long really limit developers. How much better can we get on our current consoles? Looking at games like Uncharted 2, Killzone 3, etc. I don't think they can be pushed much more.

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#49 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="gensigns"]Graphics won't matter any more. correct?evilross

So if Nintendo does put out a console that can output in HD and make pretty looking games, for Nintendo fans, graphics suddenly matter?

Just like last gen with the PS2, aka the weakest system graphically, Sony fans were all about "teh sales" and "graphics didn't matter" and now look at them this gen caring about just the opposite.

All fans change their priorities to coincide with their favorite system maker. ;)

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#50 evilross
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[QUOTE="evilross"]

[QUOTE="gensigns"]Graphics won't matter any more. correct?Bigboi500

So if Nintendo does put out a console that can output in HD and make pretty looking games, for Nintendo fans, graphics suddenly matter?

Just like last gen with the PS2, aka the weakest system graphically, Sony fans were all about "teh sales" and "graphics didn't matter" and now look at them this gen caring about just the opposite.

All fans change their priorities to coincide with their favorite system maker. ;)

My personal opinion is that Microsoft and Sony should get together and make a console with Sony building the hardware and Microsoft providing the online service and support. And Nintendo should get out of the home console market and make handhelds and become a developer/publisher for console versions of their first party IP's...

But everyone can dream of a perfect world right?