So PS3 Has Now Surpassed 11 Million Units

[QUOTE="Sony_92"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Sony_92"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Only 6 milion to go!ogvampire

On another note, yay Obama!

The PS3 has to sell twice as much as the 360 this year to even up the sales, im pretty sure they are.

any proof that the ps3 is selling 2x the 360?

VGChartz has

2008

PS3 - 2,460,175

X360 - 1,820,740

Assuming the increase of sales in mid spring due to MGS4 Bundle, GT5P Bundle (PAL and Europe)and HOME the PS3 will reach twice the sales of the X360. This will continue due to the strong fall with LBP, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Motostorm 2 and many other titles such as Infamous etc.

hm... vgchartz you say. i wouldnt exactly call that proof

true, that info maybe off but we know that the PS3 has outsold the 360 this year. The rest of my previous statement stands.

Sony_92

VGChartz has

2008

PS3 - 2,460,175

X360 - 1,820,740

Assuming the increase of sales in mid spring due to MGS4 Bundle, GT5P Bundle (PAL and Europe)and HOME the PS3 will reach twice the sales of the X360. This will continue due to the strong fall with LBP, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Motostorm 2 and many other titles such as Infamous etc.

hm... vgchartz you say. i wouldnt exactly call that proof

true, that info maybe off but we know that the PS3 has outsold the 360 this year. The rest of my previous statement stands.

true, the ps3 has been outselling the 360, but im not sure its selling twice as fast

Your JP estimates for 2008 are incorrect. The numbers should be ~200K-300K more than the 360 in 2008. I don't think the PS3 has outsold the 360 by 600-700K units in EU. With the recent price drop it seems like the consoles are tracking pretty closely, before that the PS3 was gaining a pretty large lead.

Honestly though, the EU could be a huge surprise for all of us. Sony has been very confident about the EU and have implied that they are doing very, very well over there. The EU is like a blackhole for data though, so we won't know anything unless Sony releases some numbers.

If Sony can really kick start the PS3 this summer in JP, I think WW sales could even out pretty quickly. If the PS3 could start to put up Wii numbers in JP (HUGE if) that could easily account for a couple million units by the years end.

VG charts?

thanks for wasting my time

BTW the 360 reached 10 million in its first 12 months

Mad_Rhetoric

Thats shipped to retailers and not sold to consumers

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]

VG charts?

thanks for wasting my time

BTW the 360 reached 10 million in its first 12 months

Blinblingthing

Thats shipped to retailers and not sold to consumers

Same with Sonys claim of 10 million. It's shipped not sold to consumers.

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]

VG charts?

thanks for wasting my time

BTW the 360 reached 10 million in its first 12 months

Blinblingthing

Thats shipped to retailers and not sold to consumers

all the sold numbers are sold to retailers, they can't track sold to consumers.

[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"][QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]

VG charts?

thanks for wasting my time

BTW the 360 reached 10 million in its first 12 months

kingtito

Thats shipped to retailers and not sold to consumers

Same with Sonys claim of 10 million. It's shipped not sold to consumers.

Actually according to Kotaku it's not

You know it's because of blu-ray, right? That what the haters will say.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Blinblingthing"][QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]

VG charts?

thanks for wasting my time

BTW the 360 reached 10 million in its first 12 months

tonythestudent

Thats shipped to retailers and not sold to consumers

Same with Sonys claim of 10 million. It's shipped not sold to consumers.

Actually according to Kotaku it's not

Exactly what I was made to know also.

Surpassed=/= sold

just so you know :wink:

[QUOTE="PS_Family"]Can't wait when the PS3 finally surpasses the 360 and watch all the mass suicides and damage control.DrinkDuff

It'll be better than the Twilight Princess episode. XD

*cough* shipped *cough* its shipped numbers:) and we all know it.WilliamRLBaker

I dont think so, I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Sony do numbers sold, not shipped. Seriously, if I can find a link I'll post it.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]sorry, but the ps3 is NOT going to surpass the 360 in sales this year. maybe next year...AgentA-Mi6

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]*cough* shipped *cough* its shipped numbers:) and we all know it.carljohnson3456

I dont think so, I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Sony do numbers sold, not shipped. Seriously, if I can find a link I'll post it.

shipped = sold

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]*cough* shipped *cough* its shipped numbers:) and we all know it.carljohnson3456

I dont think so, I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Sony do numbers sold, not shipped. Seriously, if I can find a link I'll post it.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]*cough* shipped *cough* its shipped numbers:) and we all know it.CaseyWegner

I dont think so, I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Sony do numbers sold, not shipped. Seriously, if I can find a link I'll post it.

shipped = sold

I'm not an idiot. I can read the difference between "shipped" and "sold".

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]sorry, but the ps3 is NOT going to surpass the 360 in sales this year. maybe next year...Steppy_76

easy. bioshock, halo 3, gears, etc. there was plenty of games coming out for the 360 (in fact, it'll never see as much, and with such quality, coming out for it again). this time all the better games are coming for the PS3. it's inevitable: PS3 will sell a lot, lot more. It already sold 1+ million units more than 360 did this year. It also outsold the 360 in 2007 (the golden lineup year of that console) by 1.5 million units. The 360 is selling less and less. The PS3 has sales increasing steadily.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]*cough* shipped *cough* its shipped numbers:) and we all know it.carljohnson3456

I dont think so, I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Sony do numbers sold, not shipped. Seriously, if I can find a link I'll post it.

shipped = sold

I'm not an idiot. I can read the difference between "shipped" and "sold".

then why did you say "I'm pretty sure nintendo and sony do numbers sold, not shipped"? do you not know how things work?

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]*cough* shipped *cough* its shipped numbers:) and we all know it.CaseyWegner

I dont think so, I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Sony do numbers sold, not shipped. Seriously, if I can find a link I'll post it.

shipped = sold

I'm not an idiot. I can read the difference between "shipped" and "sold".

then why did you say "I'm pretty sure nintendo and sony do numbers sold, not shipped"? do you not know how things work?

I'm simply saying I've read articles where they have implied there is a difference between shipped and sold.

I'm simply saying I've read articles where they have implied there is a difference between shipped and sold.

carljohnson3456

you have read silly articles. as far as the manufacturers are concerned, shipped to retailers = sold.

Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYBren128

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

I'm simply saying I've read articles where they have implied there is a difference between shipped and sold.

CaseyWegner

you have read silly articles. as far as the manufacturers are concerned, shipped to retailers = sold.

Well forgive me if I beleive silly articles over posters just like me in a forum. If you can provide me with a link, sure I'll believe you. But even in "silly articles" like the one below, it says...

"This morning's statement from SCEI is careful to use the term "shipments" to refer to units that have left the factory floor. A New York Times report last week cites data from the Enterbrain division of Japanese research firm Famitsu Marketing as estimating only 534,336 were sold to Japanese consumers in the period between November 11 and January 7."

That's not the one I've read before, but it's just an example. Unless someone can provide me with a link proving me wrong, I'm going to stick with my silly articles.

1. As obligated by law, videogame companies report shipment data in their financial reports
2. Sales figures categorized as 'Shipment' data has a number of definitions. In all cases, it is a term used to describe the number of units that were moved from a manufacturing plant. Whether or not these units made it past warehouses and onto store shelves is another question entirely. As such shipment can entail:
   1. Product shipped from factories to warehouses.
   2. Product shipped from factories to retail middlemen/warehouses.
   3. Product shipped from factories to individual retail stores.
3. In definition B1, a poor selling product appears to be selling faster than it is, because the company produced more than necessary for warehouses.
4. In definition B2, stores overestimate demand, and end up with excess stock. In theory, this causes the product which is selling worse than expected, to be manufactured at a slower rate.
5. In definition B3, a product is selling well, and a company is failing to, or barely shipping enough units to keep the product on store shelves.
6. Under all three definitions, it is an absolute certainty that the product has sold not a single unit more to customers (individual gamers) than what was shipped. The faster the product sells, the closer the shipment figure is to the number of consumers (gamers) who have bought the product.
7. When a product is discontinued at the end of its life, then the number of consoles shipped equals roughly the number sold, as retailers will do everything in their power to rid themselves of the product for newer, better selling products.

1. Sales figures are determined through two important methods
   1. Data Sampling – VG Chartz gathers random data from a sample of the total number of retailers.
   2. Shipment information – VG Chartz has contacts with publishers who give their best estimates on number of products shipped.
2. Because the number of retailers selling videogames is quite large, it is possible to attain statistically valid results from a small sample.
3. It then becomes a matter of working backwards by having:
   1. The approximate number of retailers.
   2. Historical sales figures.
   3. Data from sales tracking agencies as reference points in accuracy.
   4. There are obvious limiting factors as well – few games have above a 40% attach rate, a game will never sell more than the console user base, publishers do not ship significantly more or less than they expect to be sold

1. Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft define regions differently. Microsoft includes more than Japan in 'Japan' on financial reports for instance.
2. "American Weekly Data" is VG Chartz estimations for sales of the United States and Canada, plus slightly more for developing markets in Central & South America. Canadian data tends to account for 5-10% of USA hardware and software sales in any given week.
3. The million selling software section is shipment information from publishers – it is not sell through.
4. The LTD (lifetime to date) hardware section is shipment data from publishers about what has been shipped since the product launched. LTD hardware is directly from 6 month financial reports.

[QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYnervmeister

FF= Most popular RPG, Tekken = most popular exclusive fighter, GT- most popular racer, MGS = most popular exclusive action-stealth . I say that like sony has more then the other contenders imo. MS year was last year. and the wii is an secondary console

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

I'm simply saying I've read articles where they have implied there is a difference between shipped and sold.

carljohnson3456

you have read silly articles. as far as the manufacturers are concerned, shipped to retailers = sold.

Well forgive me if I beleive silly articles over posters just like me in a forum. If you can provide me with a link, sure I'll believe you. But even in "silly articles" like the one below, it says...

"This morning's statement from SCEI is careful to use the term "shipments" to refer to units that have left the factory floor. A New York Times report last week cites data from the Enterbrain division of Japanese research firm Famitsu Marketing as estimating only 534,336 were sold to Japanese consumers in the period between November 11 and January 7."

That's not the one I've read before, but it's just an example. Unless someone can provide me with a link proving me wrong, I'm going to stick with my silly articles.

i'd rather trust a silly article over any SW post anyday...

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYBren128

FF= Most popular RPG, Tekken = most popular exclusive fighter, GT- most popular racer, MGS = most popular exclusive action-stealth . I say that like sony has more then the other contenders imo. MS year was last year. and the wii is an secondary console

[QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYnervmeister

is there any real contender against Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo and Metal Gear? Mistwalker is failing... promising too much like Molyneux uses to do, and underdelivering, Forza never sold a fraction of what GT sells... and Splinter Cell lost almost every poll in SW, not to mention it losses in sales everywhere to Metal Gear.

there are reasons the 360 sold so slow when it came out for one people didnt even knew it exist only gamers know stuff like this then you got the fact that alot of people like to wait to buy consoles and you got a slow start ps3 and wii came out right around the time people were getting intrest in next gen consoles plus some people act like 360 wont get any sales this year.

no matter what sony does to thir online xbox live is still the bigger name and force. Plus there are plenty of games coming out that have the potential to boost sales GTA will boost both all of the other good games that are coming out this year because there will be alot

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYBren128

FF= Most popular RPG, Tekken = most popular exclusive fighter, GT- most popular racer, MGS = most popular exclusive action-stealth . I say that like sony has more then the other contenders imo. MS year was last year. and the wii is an secondary console

MS and Nintendo have plenty to offer -- in the form of new IPs. Unless you honestly think Ninja Gaiden and Fable have any chance at impacting the effects of the above listed games 0_o.

Yeah games like Too Human or Alan Wake could be good, but at the end of the day you have Gran Turismo 5 coming out, a franchise that sold well over 20 million copies last gen.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]sorry, but the ps3 is NOT going to surpass the 360 in sales this year. maybe next year...SambaLele

easy. bioshock, halo 3, gears, etc. there was plenty of games coming out for the 360 (in fact, it'll never see as much, and with such quality, coming out for it again). this time all the better games are coming for the PS3. it's inevitable: PS3 will sell a lot, lot more. It already sold 1+ million units more than 360 did this year. It also outsold the 360 in 2007 (the golden lineup year of that console) by 1.5 million units. The 360 is selling less and less. The PS3 has sales increasing steadily.

[QUOTE="Bren128"]

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYHoldThePhone

FF= Most popular RPG, Tekken = most popular exclusive fighter, GT- most popular racer, MGS = most popular exclusive action-stealth . I say that like sony has more then the other contenders imo. MS year was last year. and the wii is an secondary console

MS and Nintendo have plenty to offer -- in the form of new IPs. Unless you honestly think Ninja Gaiden and Fable have any chance at impacting the effects of the above listed games 0_o.

Yeah games like Too Human or Alan Wake could be good, but at the end of the day you have Gran Turismo 5 coming out, a franchise that sold well over 20 million copies last gen.

GT5 is defintely going to help the ps3 on a collosal scale. Didn't the prologue demo just sell a million units a while ago?

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Bren128"]

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYLagSwitch

FF= Most popular RPG, Tekken = most popular exclusive fighter, GT- most popular racer, MGS = most popular exclusive action-stealth . I say that like sony has more then the other contenders imo. MS year was last year. and the wii is an secondary console

MS and Nintendo have plenty to offer -- in the form of new IPs. Unless you honestly think Ninja Gaiden and Fable have any chance at impacting the effects of the above listed games 0_o.

Yeah games like Too Human or Alan Wake could be good, but at the end of the day you have Gran Turismo 5 coming out, a franchise that sold well over 20 million copies last gen.

Now that its out in Europe I wouldn't doubt it. GT5:P prologue will outsell Forza 2. It's nearly there already =p

GT5 is defintely going to help the ps3 on a collosal scale. Didn't the prologue demo just sell a million units a while ago?

Now that its out in Europe I wouldn't doubt it. It will outsell Forza 2, hell -- it's nearly there already =p

[QUOTE="Bren128"]

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYtaker42

FF= Most popular RPG, Tekken = most popular exclusive fighter, GT- most popular racer, MGS = most popular exclusive action-stealth . I say that like sony has more then the other contenders imo. MS year was last year. and the wii is an secondary console

when i say popular im saying saleswise, salewise those games are the most popular and that is fact

[QUOTE="taker42"][QUOTE="Bren128"]

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYBren128

FF= Most popular RPG, Tekken = most popular exclusive fighter, GT- most popular racer, MGS = most popular exclusive action-stealth . I say that like sony has more then the other contenders imo. MS year was last year. and the wii is an secondary console

when i say popular im saying saleswise, salewise those games are the most popular and that is fact

You would be more correct if you said all of those games have a more popular history then what MS and Nintendo have to offer in the future.

But for example, Pokemon for gameboy is arguably more popular that Final Fantasy.

But I get the general idea of what you are trying to say.

I think a lot of people get confused about what the numbers mean and how to tally things up(as evidenced in this thread by many cows thinking SOny reports sold to customers not sold to retailers).Steppy_76

Well, if that's true, and it very well possibly can be (I can admit I'm wrong if someone can prove it to me, I'm fine with that), but either way it's the same for the 360. So if the PS3 is "outselling" the 360, it's outselling it no matter how you say it. Besides, let's be honest here - the PS3 isnt selling poorly, it's just a fact. I'm not claiming it's selling 2x as much, or going to catch up by the end of this year, but for the PS3 to sell on par or better than the 360 is to be expected.

The PS2 dominated so bad last gen that people are really thinking this gen is going to have a dominate winner again, and is looking for any sign of a winner already. There isnt going to be a clear winner (I mean the Wii counts, but it's a totally different kinda console). We've been so used to Sony dominance that people think outselling means domination, and it doesnt. For one console to outsell the other isnt a big deal.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

I'm simply saying I've read articles where they have implied there is a difference between shipped and sold.

carljohnson3456

you have read silly articles. as far as the manufacturers are concerned, shipped to retailers = sold.

Well forgive me if I beleive silly articles over posters just like me in a forum. If you can provide me with a link, sure I'll believe you. But even in "silly articles" like the one below, it says...

"This morning's statement from SCEI is careful to use the term "shipments" to refer to units that have left the factory floor. A New York Times report last week cites data from the Enterbrain division of Japanese research firm Famitsu Marketing as estimating only 534,336 were sold to Japanese consumers in the period between November 11 and January 7."

That's not the one I've read before, but it's just an example. Unless someone can provide me with a link proving me wrong, I'm going to stick with my silly articles.

scei is reporting shipped. enterbrain is reporting sold to consumers. scei =/= enterbrain

[QUOTE="Bren128"]when i say popular im saying saleswise, salewise those games are the most popular and that is fact

HoldThePhone

You would be more correct if you said all of those games have a more popular history then what MS and Nintendo have to offer in the future.

But for example, Pokemon for gameboy is arguably more popular that Final Fantasy.

But I get the general idea of what you are trying to say.

[QUOTE="Bren128"]Both Final Fantasy games, GT, MGS4, Tekken, hopefully sonys most popular platformer J&D, Resistance 2 , KZ2, WKS = FATALITYnervmeister

FF= Most popular RPG, Tekken = most popular exclusive fighter, GT- most popular racer, MGS = most popular exclusive action-stealth . I say that like sony has more then the other contenders imo. MS year was last year. and the wii is an secondary console

when i say popular im saying saleswise, salewise those games are the most popular and that is fact

You would be more correct if you said all of those games have a more popular history then what MS and Nintendo have to offer in the future.

But for example, Pokemon for gameboy is arguably more popular that Final Fantasy.

But I get the general idea of what you are trying to say.

ah yea i dont think that those franchises popularity has went down any though but pokemon was and is still insanely popular moreso then FF imo, and i just made the mistake of quoting more then 5 quotes and went to edit it to fix it but to late! TOS violation! my post was up for maybe 5 seconds , there quick here on gamespot

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]sorry, but the ps3 is NOT going to surpass the 360 in sales this year. maybe next year...Steppy_76

easy. bioshock, halo 3, gears, etc. there was plenty of games coming out for the 360 (in fact, it'll never see as much, and with such quality, coming out for it again). this time all the better games are coming for the PS3. it's inevitable: PS3 will sell a lot, lot more. It already sold 1+ million units more than 360 did this year. It also outsold the 360 in 2007 (the golden lineup year of that console) by 1.5 million units. The 360 is selling less and less. The PS3 has sales increasing steadily.

sorry to burst your bubble sir, but MS admited an 18% decrease in sales last year, while PS3 sales were steadily increasing... now look for worldwide sales for this year, add NPD's results with Media Create and the estimations for the rest of the world, and you got the PS3 outselling 360 by much more than a million units in 2008. It's quite simple, i've done it myself, just go to google and type "npd hardware sales january", then search for february, etc. Must i add, with march results, things are going to get even darker on 360's side. Keep your eye on the worldwide charts.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

I'm simply saying I've read articles where they have implied there is a difference between shipped and sold.

CaseyWegner

you have read silly articles. as far as the manufacturers are concerned, shipped to retailers = sold.

Well forgive me if I beleive silly articles over posters just like me in a forum. If you can provide me with a link, sure I'll believe you. But even in "silly articles" like the one below, it says...

"This morning's statement from SCEI is careful to use the term "shipments" to refer to units that have left the factory floor. A New York Times report last week cites data from the Enterbrain division of Japanese research firm Famitsu Marketing as estimating only 534,336 were sold to Japanese consumers in the period between November 11 and January 7."

That's not the one I've read before, but it's just an example. Unless someone can provide me with a link proving me wrong, I'm going to stick with my silly articles.

scei is reporting shipped. enterbrain is reporting sold to consumers. scei =/= enterbrain

I'm just saying, it says SCEI is careful to use the term "shipments", not sales. Why would they be careful to talk about shipments one time but not another? Besides, that article isnt the best example. I really wish I could find that article where it said in black and white that Nintendo and Sony consider shipped and sold 2 different things.

But anyway, like I said, unless you can prove me wrong, I'm going to believe what I've read. No offence, but as far as I'm concerned, your word is as good as mine without a source. I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong and I'm absolutely right - I'm just saying I'm going with what I've read.

Here is one...

"Oh, before you go, those who like to dabble in the odd bit of conjecture and speculation should note that it's been Sony policy for a while now to count "sold" as sold, not shipped."

http://kotaku.com/357883/ps3-hits-105-million-sold