So The Last of Us VGA reveal trailer was another Bull-video? (56k)

Now that the real footage of The Last Of Us has come out out there is something you should pay attention to. The lighting in particular is suspect.

In the original announcement trailer from last year at the VGAs you will notice that they are using realtime Global Illumination and GodRays. (assuming this was "realtime". They carefully worded their trailer as "captured from PS3")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJt-mlLk10k&feature=plcp

The following is what you will see in the trailer:

Look at the godrays in the following pics, and the light bouncing off the floor and illuminating everything

Such beautiful godrays comming in from the window

look at the global illumination light bouncing off of Ellie's hand and illuminating the knife

Look at Joel and his attacker's illuminated bodies

And again.

Its important to note that this hallway is the SAME area in the game as in the E3 demo below

Godrays again

Yet compare it to the new footage thats come out and you get:

A mixture comprised of (mostly) prebaked, with some dynamic lightsources but NO Global Illumination or godrays.

Wow, we are standing by a window.....where are those beautiful godrays from the pics above? :?

Joel is outside now, but you would think they were indoors with the prebaked lighting. Why isnt everything illuminated? :(

It is important to note that the following screencaps are from the SAME room/area as the original reveal trailer at the VGAs

We all remember the infamous Uncharted 3 trailer ND sent to IGN that was apparently running at 60fps, and ND/ damage controlled it saying it was "a mistake" (read, they sent out dev kit footage and got caught).

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-what-if-uncharted-3-ran-at-60-fps

Oh well. Its not even coming out this year anyways, and heres to hoping it gets delayed because a PS4 version is in the works, wit DAT global illumination/godrays.

Anyways

Inb4 personal attacks on me by cows

Inb4 I am a "lemming" (Just like Stevo, every other person who isnt a sony drone, along with Eurogamer, Edge magazine, and Tom Mcshea)

Inb4 I am not only a "lemming" but a "scared" lemming (im buying this game but wutever)

Cows, please do what you do best :cool:

I noticed godrays when Ellie jumped down from the window when entering the bulding.

Here's the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kbLOokeC3VU#t=115s

Notice how when Ellie jumps down, the godrays react dynamicly. So did I kill this thread?

You're wrong, as usual.

And that's all the relevant info you'll find in this thread.

still looks good still in development

PS3 games awlays use fake stuff to impress and they are never like those in game

There is nothing to see here, that is the same for all PS3 exclusives

Mind you, what's funniest is that you try so hard on stuff like this.

There was no realtime GI in the original trailer. The things you pointed out are either baked GI, or not GI at all. There were also light shafts (or "god rays") in the E3 demo, you can see them right here when Ellie climbs through the window.

Anything else?

Well what you saw at the VGA was a trailer and this is a demo so maybe they didn't put everything in yet? I would wait until I see the finished product before I start throwing alarms up.

You're wrong, as usual.

And that's all the relevant info you'll find in this thread.

lx_theo

I provided proof to back my statements up.

Unless this:

Looks like this:

To you. All of which were screen capped from both trailers.

But I know.....Sony is god....NaughtyDog can do no wrong....:roll:

The trailer is made from the engine! it will be in the final version of the game, but it's a cutscene plus this look's better then anything xbox could produce so shut up lem

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

You're wrong, as usual.

And that's all the relevant info you'll find in this thread.

StrongDeadlift

I provided proof to back my statements up.

Unless this:

Looks like this:

To you. All of which were screen capped from both trailers.

But I know.....Sony is god....NaughtyDog can do no wrong....:roll:

are you stupid? you're comparing a cutscene to actual gameplay, get you're head checked moron

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

You're wrong, as usual.

And that's all the relevant info you'll find in this thread.

StrongDeadlift

I provided proof to back my statements up.

Unless this:

Looks like this:

To you. All of which were screen capped from both trailers.

But I know.....Sony is god....NaughtyDog can do no wrong....:roll:

There was no realtime GI in the original trailer. The things you pointed out are either baked GI, or not GI at all. There were also light shafts (or "god rays") in the E3 demo, you can see them right here when Ellie climbs through the window.

Anything else?

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

You're wrong, as usual.

And that's all the relevant info you'll find in this thread.

StrongDeadlift

I provided proof to back my statements up.

Unless this:

Looks like this:

To you. All of which were screen capped from both trailers.

But I know.....Sony is god....NaughtyDog can do no wrong....:roll:

There was no realtime GI in the original trailer. The things you pointed out are either baked GI, or not GI at all. There were also light shafts (or "god rays") in the E3 demo, you can see them right here when Ellie climbs through the window.

Anything else?

Teufelhuhn

Well it depends what you mean by "real time". The trailer says "captured from a PS3", but thats how all trailers are. They capture the raw frames into frame dump and they compile the trailers from that, so in that sense every cinematic trailer like that isnt realtime.

But one thing I do know is that NaughtyDog's lights (even the baked ones) are all baked on using global illumination in the production phase. This has been true since the first uncharted.

And yes, there is GI in the original trailer. The question is whether it was "real time" or not.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

There was no realtime GI in the original trailer. The things you pointed out are either baked GI, or not GI at all. There were also light shafts (or "god rays") in the E3 demo, you can see them right here when Ellie climbs through the window.

Anything else?

StrongDeadlift

Well it depends what you mean by "real time". The trailer says "captured from a PS3", but thats how all trailers are. They capture the raw frames into frame dump and they compile the trailers from that, so in that sense every cinematic trailer like that isnt realtime.

But one thing I do know is that NaughtyDog's lights (even the baked ones) are all baked on using global illumination in the production phase. This has been true since the first uncharted.

And yes, there is GI in the original trailer. The question is whether it was "real time" or not.

Sorry but I just gotta say your kind of an idiot, there was two people (me and Teufelhuhn who explained to you exactly what happened) no GI in trailer, no GI in game, only godrays. On top of that, the last picture has no light sources.

cslayer211

are you stupid? you're comparing a cutscene to actual gameplay, get you're head checked moron

Pikachu69er

Lol, fail troll tries to pick and choose screens to back up his "argument." Don't worry, Teufelhuhn already countered the stupidity you try to force upon system wars, Maybe, just maybe, you could put a little more effort to try and be a fanboy with facts, since you already put in so much effort. lx_theo

Wow. 3 cows and NOTHING contributed but personal insults. Exactly what I expected :cool:

I know I said something about your beloved. It will be ok.

Lol, fail troll tries to pick and choose screens to back up his "argument." Don't worry, Teufelhuhn already countered the stupidity you try to force upon system wars, Maybe, just maybe, you could put a little more effort to try and be a fanboy with facts, since you already put in so much effort. lx_theo

I didnt pick and choose screens. I picked a screen that was indoors and was by a window:|

(although you most likely dont even know what Global Illumination is)

lol OP is mad

The Last of Us PS3 A.I. is industry transforming. Nothing you post, say can dispute that.

look...he crying lol

lol OP is mad

The Last of Us PS3 A.I. is industry transforming. Nothing you post, say can dispute that.

look...he crying lol

Impress3

Its STILL using fake lighting in that trailer ;)

So mad about a game I am buying. :cool:

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]Lol, fail troll tries to pick and choose screens to back up his "argument." Don't worry, Teufelhuhn already countered the stupidity you try to force upon system wars, Maybe, just maybe, you could put a little more effort to try and be a fanboy with facts, since you already put in so much effort. StrongDeadlift

Wow. 3 cows and NOTHING contributed but personal insults. Exactly what I expected :cool:

I know I said something about your beloved. It will be ok.

Lol, fail troll tries to pick and choose screens to back up his "argument." Don't worry, Teufelhuhn already countered the stupidity you try to force upon system wars, Maybe, just maybe, you could put a little more effort to try and be a fanboy with facts, since you already put in so much effort. lx_theo

I didnt pick and choose screens. I picked a screen that was indoors and was by a window:|

(although you most likely dont even know what Global Illumination is)

[QUOTE="Impress3"]

lol OP is mad

The Last of Us PS3 A.I. is industry transforming. Nothing you post, say can dispute that.

look...he crying lol

StrongDeadlift

Its STILL using fake lighting in that trailer ;)

So mad about a game I am buying. :cool:

You do at least have the common sense that you picked the screens, even among the ones you posted, that look least like each other? Oh, wait, that's logic... Hmmm.... That won't work with you. Its like you choose to ignore the words you yourself put forward. Well, that's your own failing. Come back and try again lx_theo

Every screen was captured from the trailers. You are free to post your own screens if you want to ;)

I told you. I chose screens that had a both had either a window in them, or light shining in through a window so you could see the global illumination illuminating the area around it.

But then again, im sure you have no idea what any of this means, so I wont waste my time with you.

You're wrong, as usual.

And that's all the relevant info you'll find in this thread.

lx_theo

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

You're wrong, as usual.

And that's all the relevant info you'll find in this thread.

walkingdream

I actually feel a bit bad for you. So I decided to throw you a helpful hint out of my common sense.

If you want to troll like you do, then try to troll with something people can't easily find the real facts to counter the made up nonsense you decided to post that paticular time. Like for The Last of Us. You could call it a movie game or something. Because that's based soley on opinion, that can't really be argued against. If you don't want to go that route, then you could always attack something that we don't know one way or another yet. Like the AI. We don't know exactly how well it'll work. I mean, it looks like it'll be great, but there's plenty of room to poke holes in it until the reality of it is unveiled.

So there's your lesson on basic logic. Hope it serves you well.8)

lx_theo

Did you really PM me :?

You didnt provide any "facts", you just insulted me personally then accused me of "making up nonsense".

When you even have any sembalence of what is being discussed in this thread, come back to me.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]You do at least have the common sense that you picked the screens, even among the ones you posted, that look least like each other? Oh, wait, that's logic... Hmmm.... That won't work with you. Its like you choose to ignore the words you yourself put forward. Well, that's your own failing. Come back and try again StrongDeadlift

Every screen was captured from the trailers. You are free to post your own screens if you want to ;)

I told you. I chose screens that had a both had either a window in them, or light shining in through a window so you could see the global illumination illuminating the area around it.

But then again, im sure you have no idea what any of this means, so I wont waste my time with you.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] Nice comebackStrongDeadlift

I actually feel a bit bad for you. So I decided to throw you a helpful hint out of my common sense.

If you want to troll like you do, then try to troll with something people can't easily find the real facts to counter the made up nonsense you decided to post that paticular time. Like for The Last of Us. You could call it a movie game or something. Because that's based soley on opinion, that can't really be argued against. If you don't want to go that route, then you could always attack something that we don't know one way or another yet. Like the AI. We don't know exactly how well it'll work. I mean, it looks like it'll be great, but there's plenty of room to poke holes in it until the reality of it is unveiled.

So there's your lesson on basic logic. Hope it serves you well.8)

lx_theo

Did you really PM me :?

You didnt provide any "facts", you just insulted me personally then accused me of "making up nonsense".

When you even have any sembalence of what is being discussed in this thread, come back to me.

You want to try logic for once? Let's try logic. Global illumination is a lighting system designed to create real life like lighting in games. It is notable for using a diffused, cloud like system to allow for realistic differences of lighting from dark to light spots. Of which I, nor other people, see used anymore in the trailer than in the demo screengrabs. What I do see, is a dramatic difference in the overall contrast created by the scenery. Having seen both the trailer and demo, I have enough common sense to see you picked specific screens to try to create a misperception that there was a major difference, when there is not. Want to try again on the personal insults? Because for someone so critical of them, you do throw them out a lot.lx_theo

I am well aware of what Global Illumination is. I have no need to be educated on the matter.

Like I said, I posted a pretty wide amount of screengrabs, from pretty much every part of both trailers. If you dont feel my selection of screenshots fit your standard, you are welcome to chose your own. Both trailers are in the OP for you. ;)

Also, funny I dont remember calling you any names :?

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]You want to try logic for once? Let's try logic. Global illumination is a lighting system designed to create real life like lighting in games. It is notable for using a diffused, cloud like system to allow for realistic differences of lighting from dark to light spots. Of which I, nor other people, see used anymore in the trailer than in the demo screengrabs. What I do see, is a dramatic difference in the overall contrast created by the scenery. Having seen both the trailer and demo, I have enough common sense to see you picked specific screens to try to create a misperception that there was a major difference, when there is not. Want to try again on the personal insults? Because for someone so critical of them, you do throw them out a lot.StrongDeadlift

I am well aware of what Global Illumination is. I have no need to be educated on the matter.

Like I said, I posted a pretty wide amount of screengrabs, from pretty much every part of both trailers. If you dont feel my selection of screenshots fit your standard, you are welcome to chose your own. Both trailers are in the OP for you. ;)

Also, funny I dont remember calling you any names :?

The trailer was from the game engine directly from the PS3 and it looks better than ALL games on other consoles and the PS3 itself, even Uncharted 3.

Lems are having a tough time, aren't they? They have no games and are pissed that The Last of Us is heading only on PlayStation 3.

I wish they had shown some monsters

I almost fell asleep with the human enemies AGAIN

I mean they did it in 3 games already, why not change the enemies a little bit so the world does not feel dull and more of the same

There are like 10.000.000 games using human enemies, so they could as well cancell it if it is going to be human encounters only

No, im actually right. ;)

I provided proof to back my statements up.

Unless this:

Looks like this:

To you. All of which were screen capped from both trailers.

But I know.....Sony is god....NaughtyDog can do no wrong....:roll:

StrongDeadlift

I didnt pick and choose screens. I picked a screen that was indoors and was by a window:|

(although you most likely dont even know what Global Illumination is)

StrongDeadlift

You choose a screen shot, that is next to a window, that the sun isn't even shining towards, and you expect sun shafts? Are you really that dense?

I wish they had shown some monsters

I almost fell asleep with the human enemies AGAIN

I mean they did it in 3 games already, why not change the enemies a little bit so the world does not feel dull and more of the same

There are like 10.000.000 games using human enemies, so they could as well cancell it if it is going to be human encounters only

loosingENDS

The TC makes good points and backs them up nicely. The rest of you ND fanboys...rely on insults to make up for your lack of solid arguments. Adorable! I will argue that, the earlier footage wasn't game play...rather in-engine cut scenes or rather (captured from the PS3 as they put it)...usually those CAN look better and add more to them. You only have to look at Uncharted 2's cut scenes with some effects NOT even realtime, but a mixer. Cutscenes of course can be made to look better, due to rendering less compared to gameplay. I could be wrong on this, but it's just what i think is the case.soapandbubbles

Take your stupidity somewhere else xbox. Your an idiot and dont know what your talking about. You spew crap and I refuted you (by calling you an idiot and not refuting ANYTHING). :evil:TLOU GOTY 2013

Cows gunna cow :cool:

I wish they had shown some monsters

I almost fell asleep with the human enemies AGAIN

I mean they did it in 3 games already, why not change the enemies a little bit so the world does not feel dull and more of the same

There are like 10.000.000 games using human enemies, so they could as well cancell it if it is going to be human encounters only

loosingENDS

People seemed to like it so much that it has nearly 3x more views on youtube then halo 4 :lol:

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]The TC makes good points and backs them up nicely. The rest of you ND fanboys...rely on insults to make up for your lack of solid arguments. Adorable! I will argue that, the earlier footage wasn't game play...rather in-engine cut scenes or rather (captured from the PS3 as they put it)...usually those CAN look better and add more to them. You only have to look at Uncharted 2's cut scenes with some effects NOT even realtime, but a mixer. Cutscenes of course can be made to look better, due to rendering less compared to gameplay. I could be wrong on this, but it's just what i think is the case.StrongDeadlift

Take your stupidity somewhere else xbox. Your an idiot and dont know what your talking about. You spew crap and I refuted you (by calling you an idiot and not refuting ANYTHING). :evil:TLOU GOTY 2013

Cows gunna cow :cool:

I noticed godrays when Ellie jumped down from the window when entering the bulding.

Here's the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kbLOokeC3VU#t=115s

Notice how when Ellie jumps down, the godrays react dynamicly. So did I kill this thread?

cslayer211

You would have if they didn't decide to just ignore your evidence.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]The TC makes good points and backs them up nicely. The rest of you ND fanboys...rely on insults to make up for your lack of solid arguments. Adorable! I will argue that, the earlier footage wasn't game play...rather in-engine cut scenes or rather (captured from the PS3 as they put it)...usually those CAN look better and add more to them. You only have to look at Uncharted 2's cut scenes with some effects NOT even realtime, but a mixer. Cutscenes of course can be made to look better, due to rendering less compared to gameplay. I could be wrong on this, but it's just what i think is the case.walkingdream

Take your stupidity somewhere else xbox. Your an idiot and dont know what your talking about. You spew crap and I refuted you (by calling you an idiot and not refuting ANYTHING). :evil:TLOU GOTY 2013

Cows gunna cow :cool:

No people have posted evidence that you decided to ignore.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

No, im actually right. ;)

I provided proof to back my statements up.

Unless this:

Looks like this:

To you. All of which were screen capped from both trailers.

But I know.....Sony is god....NaughtyDog can do no wrong....:roll:

wraigth

I didnt pick and choose screens. I picked a screen that was indoors and was by a window:|

(although you most likely dont even know what Global Illumination is)

StrongDeadlift

You choose a screen shot, that is next to a window, that the sun isn't even shining towards, and you expect sun shafts? Are you really that dense?

Yeah it blows my mind as well.

the window isn't facing the sun

/thread

is that the best you can do

Who cares? The game looks great :?

Long as the gameplay is exactly the same, I don't give a damn. Arguing about graphics is tiring, and never, ever goes anywhere.

the window isn't facing the sun

/thread

is that the best you can do

FashionFreak

That is the best they can do yes.