So the overpriced Vita memory cards are not even fast?!!!!

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#1 ShadowDeathX
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In comparison to microSDs out there, we see the Vita cards operating at the equivalent of Class 2 to Class 6, depending on what kind of mood you catch it in (the class system is defined by write speeds). Read times are not really covered by the SD Class system, but in our experience they're either the same or quite a bit better - flash memory in general tends to be more challenged when it comes to writing data as opposed to reading it back.

The Vita cards seem to max out at somewhere in-between 6MB/s to 8MB/s, generally speaking - quite a large delta. At the time of writing, a 16GB Vita card costs around £40 while a Class 10 MicroSD with a reputable brand, offering the same storage, can be purchased from Amazon for as little as £10.

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Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-how-fast-are-vita-memory-cards
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The memory sticks are such a rip off. I was actually kind of considering buying a Vita but when they annouced the price of the memory sticks I completely lost interest

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#4 SaltyMeatballs
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Well there's allways the piracy protection excuse... too bad they pass that cost onto legit consumers.
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#5 Tikeio
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Vita fails once again.

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#6 R4gn4r0k
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This comes to mind:

GS: What was the thinking behind going with proprietary memory cards and the pricing behind them?

GL: There are many different types of memory out there, and what we have is a very high-end piece of flash memory that comes in an extraordinarily small size. What we're trying to do is make sure that the gamer has the best possible experience and the proprietary memory we think gives gamers the best possible experience because we can very much control that memory and make sure it's the highest possible quality.

:lol:

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I thought it was going to be faster than Class 10 SD cards and cows here were shouting that the price of the cards were worth it because it was going to be some super fast thing. WRONG!
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#8 SPYDER0416
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I guess this is a big deal?

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#9 110million
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I thought it was going to be faster than Class 10 SD cards and cows here were shouting that the price of the cards were worth it because it was going to be some super fast thing. WRONG!ShadowDeathX

There is another issue all together though, if they told people "SD Cards work" but then it turns out they have to be Class 10 or hell any specific speed, you'd be confusing consumers even more. People would buy the cheapest they can, end up with Class 4s and all of a sudden outrage.

I'm not saying they should be overcharging so much for these, but at the same time, you have to consider most consumers are pretty stupid.

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not a big deal with cartridge games....hope your not mad.
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]I thought it was going to be faster than Class 10 SD cards and cows here were shouting that the price of the cards were worth it because it was going to be some super fast thing. WRONG!110million

There is another issue all together though, if they told people "SD Cards work" but then it turns out they have to be Class 10 or hell any specific speed, you'd be confusing consumers even more. People would buy the cheapest they can, end up with Class 4s and all of a sudden outrage.

I'm not saying they should be overcharging so much for these, but at the same time, you have to consider most consumers are pretty stupid.

stupid =/= not being informed.
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[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]I thought it was going to be faster than Class 10 SD cards and cows here were shouting that the price of the cards were worth it because it was going to be some super fast thing. WRONG!infinite884

There is another issue all together though, if they told people "SD Cards work" but then it turns out they have to be Class 10 or hell any specific speed, you'd be confusing consumers even more. People would buy the cheapest they can, end up with Class 4s and all of a sudden outrage.

I'm not saying they should be overcharging so much for these, but at the same time, you have to consider most consumers are pretty stupid.

stupid =/= not being informed.

Fair enough, but I mean, I expect they would get burned harder on trying to advertise the class of SD card you'd need, then how hard their getting burned for needing their proprietary ones.

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Fair enough, but I mean, I expect they would get burned harder on trying to advertise the class of SD card you'd need, then how hard their getting burned for needing their proprietary ones.

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Include one in a pack ? That seems to solve any problems that could arise.

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Terrible, Sony.
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#15 110million
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[QUOTE="110million"]

Fair enough, but I mean, I expect they would get burned harder on trying to advertise the class of SD card you'd need, then how hard their getting burned for needing their proprietary ones.

R4gn4r0k

Include one in a pack ? That seems to solve any problems that could arise.

They should 100% for sure have included some kind of internal memory or a stick in the box, it's incredibly stupid not to do so. Otherwise I guess they could have some forced introduction video that explains the need for class 10 or something. I suppose anyone who wants to mostly go digital would be educated enough to know what they need.

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#16 R4gn4r0k
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They should 100% for sure have included some kind of internal memory or a stick in the box, it's incredibly stupid not to do so. Otherwise I guess they could have some forced introduction video that explains the need for class 10 or something. I suppose anyone who wants to mostly go digital would be educated enough to know what they need.

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Agreed, the 'uninformed' customer will most likely go for physical copies rather than all digital I think.

There's a high change there will be a Vita revision with internal memory down the line.

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#17 110million
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There's a high change there will be a Vita revision with internal memory down the line.

R4gn4r0k

I would say guranteed, hopefully they haven't shot themselves in the foot by then.

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http://www.amazon.com/MicroSDHC-Memory-Stick-Static-Package/dp/B00176F2RC they shud make one of these things if they are electrically compatible.
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32GB class 10 micro SD cards can be had for as little as $38 on amazon. Talk about sony bending over their consumers.
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#20 R4gn4r0k
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url-problem-glitchspot

they shud make one of these things if they are electrically compatible.JigglyWiggly_

I could be mistaken but aren't Sony the only ones that can make the Vita memory cards as in they won't give a license to others to make cards ?

If so than it would be up to Sony to create one of those things and they won't.

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#21 Eponique
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What a ripoff. I refuse to pay extra for Sony Premium Gigabytes.
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Nintendo's gonna laugh.

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#23 dontshackzmii
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ouch i thought they would at least be fast. my class 10 sd card does at least 10mbps and costs 14.99

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#24 shinrabanshou
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Test is flawed, but prices are still too high.

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#25 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]url-problem-glitchspot

they shud make one of these things if they are electrically compatible.R4gn4r0k

I could be mistaken but aren't Sony the only ones that can make the Vita memory cards as in they won't give a license to others to make cards ?

If so than it would be up to Sony to create one of those things and they won't.

You are correct. Sony is in full control of this media.

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#26 Shinobi120
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LOL, such a fail. Even this card would be a lot better & more cheaper than Sony's own memory cards for Vita:

Link.

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#27 Gamingclone
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Sony needs to either drop the price of memory cards or start offering them with the system when it is sold.

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#28 deactivated-594be627b82ba
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32GB class 10 micro SD cards can be had for as little as $38 on amazon. Talk about sony bending over their consumers. MFDOOM1983
without vaseline too
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i really dont care.... it doesnt really affect me at all..
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#30 tagyhag
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Look, no one can defend the memory cards, NO ONE, it's impossible to defend the price pure and simple. But can we blame Sony? No, they're a business and they're just doing what will bring them money, it's just smart business practices.
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Look, no one can defend the memory cards, NO ONE, it's impossible to defend the price pure and simple. But can we blame Sony? No, they're a business and they're just doing what will bring them money, it's just smart business practices.tagyhag
actually theyre doing it for fan service, they are telling the true fans, hey, no need to rush and buy a vita right now, wait for the killer lineup release, then you know we'll perfect the prices for you when the times right. For now its just for show, and microsoft doesnt have one.
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The proprietary memory cards is something that has irritated me about Sony since the PSP. There is no reason for it beside greed.
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Look, no one can defend the memory cards, NO ONE, it's impossible to defend the price pure and simple. But can we blame Sony? No, they're a business and they're just doing what will bring them money, it's just smart business practices.PinnacleGamingP
actually theyre doing it for fan service, they are telling the true fans, hey, no need to rush and buy a vita right now, wait for the killer lineup release, then you know we'll perfect the prices for you when the times right. For now its just for show, and microsoft doesnt have one.

This is horribly poor logic. MS won't have a handheld, and Sony is fighting Ninty not MS. And the pricing is because Sony is chasing hardware specs and not worrying about price.
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The proprietary memory cards is something that has irritated me about Sony since the PSP. There is no reason for it beside greed. SpruceCaboose
no, microsoft charging kids for online play is greed, this is superior quality technology at a bargain to make up for what the vita is giving you at that price. and its optional
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]The proprietary memory cards is something that has irritated me about Sony since the PSP. There is no reason for it beside greed. PinnacleGamingP
no, microsoft charging kids for online play is greed, this is superior quality technology at a bargain to make up for what the vita is giving you at that price. and its optional

Both are greed, and only people who purposely ignore reality would claim different. You can like the Vita and know Sony is screwing you with the memory, it's ok. Sony does not deserve loyalty any more than any other company. They all want your money, not your love.
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And since Sony left internal memory on the Vita (which is dirt cheap these days), it certainly doesn't seem optional, since game saves have been part of gaming since at least the NES.

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And since Sony left internal memory on the Vita (which is dirt cheap these days), it certainly doesn't seem optional, since game saves have been part of gaming since at least the NES.

SpruceCaboose
sure, if they produced garbage release hardware that would fail like an RROD magnet, then they could have easily chopped the prices for memory, but they are known for quality hardware and software, so at least they were nice enough to sell the vita at a very good price and leave the extra costs as options for the GAMERS.
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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]The proprietary memory cards is something that has irritated me about Sony since the PSP. There is no reason for it beside greed. SpruceCaboose
no, microsoft charging kids for online play is greed, this is superior quality technology at a bargain to make up for what the vita is giving you at that price. and its optional

Both are greed, and only people who purposely ignore reality would claim different. You can like the Vita and know Sony is screwing you with the memory, it's ok. Sony does not deserve loyalty any more than any other company. They all want your money, not your love.

spruce your sarcasm detector isnt working
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

And since Sony left internal memory on the Vita (which is dirt cheap these days), it certainly doesn't seem optional, since game saves have been part of gaming since at least the NES.

PinnacleGamingP
sure, if they produced garbage release hardware that would fail like an RROD magnet, then they could have easily chopped the prices for memory, but they are known for quality hardware and software, so at least they were nice enough to sell the vita at a very good price and leave the extra costs as options for the GAMERS.

It would have literally cost Sony about $5 per Vita to add enough memory for game saves. The fact that they intentionally left it out to force gamers into buying a memory card on a $300+ system is crazy. The fact that people defend that decision with some BS rationales that make no logical sense leads me to conclude you are a Sony PR rep or a troll.
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] no, microsoft charging kids for online play is greed, this is superior quality technology at a bargain to make up for what the vita is giving you at that price. and its optional

Both are greed, and only people who purposely ignore reality would claim different. You can like the Vita and know Sony is screwing you with the memory, it's ok. Sony does not deserve loyalty any more than any other company. They all want your money, not your love.

spruce your sarcasm detector isnt working

No, I am bored and drinking. :D
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

And since Sony left internal memory on the Vita (which is dirt cheap these days), it certainly doesn't seem optional, since game saves have been part of gaming since at least the NES.

sure, if they produced garbage release hardware that would fail like an RROD magnet, then they could have easily chopped the prices for memory, but they are known for quality hardware and software, so at least they were nice enough to sell the vita at a very good price and leave the extra costs as options for the GAMERS.

It would have literally cost Sony about $5 per Vita to add enough memory for game saves. The fact that they intentionally left it out to force gamers into buying a memory card on a $300+ system is crazy. The fact that people defend that decision with some BS rationales that make no logical sense leads me to conclude you are a Sony PR rep or a troll.

ok, but the point is thats there way of paying for the great piece of hardware that is the vita..........if they knew they wouldnt make any money off the memory, do you really think they could sell that system for 250? look at the "gaming device" known as the iphone 4. 800 bucks w/ memory, go buy one of those instead of complaning to sony when theyre giving it to you still AS AN OPTIONAL PRICE LIFT.
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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] ok, but the point is thats there way of paying for the great piece of hardware that is the vita..........if they knew they wouldnt make any money off the memory, do you really think they could sell that system for 250? look at the "gaming device" known as the iphone 4. 800 bucks w/ memory, go buy one of those instead of complaning to sony when theyre giving it to you still AS AN OPTIONAL PRICE LIFT.

A system with no way of saving is not a modern gaming system. And comparing something to the notoriously overprices Apple hardware is hardly winning you any points. The Vita out of the box is a gimped system and Sony did it on purpose to make more money. Not bashing the system, it's good hardware. I am bashing Sony's decision to milk gamers just like they did with the PSP on memory (and I was a launch PSP owner, and liked the system). Still does not excuse their blatant profit motives.
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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] ok, but the point is thats there way of paying for the great piece of hardware that is the vita..........if they knew they wouldnt make any money off the memory, do you really think they could sell that system for 250? look at the "gaming device" known as the iphone 4. 800 bucks w/ memory, go buy one of those instead of complaning to sony when theyre giving it to you still AS AN OPTIONAL PRICE LIFT.SpruceCaboose
A system with no way of saving is not a modern gaming system. And comparing something to the notoriously overprices Apple hardware is hardly winning you any points. The Vita out of the box is a gimped system and Sony did it on purpose to make more money. Not bashing the system, it's good hardware. I am bashing Sony's decision to milk gamers just like they did with the PSP on memory (and I was a launch PSP owner, and liked the system). Still does not excuse their blatant profit motives.

ps1 and ps2 had memory cards out of the box? news to me.
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#44 Blake135
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Memory Cards are a huge ripoff, not buying a bigger memory card until they drop the price by a large amount.
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Doesn't seem like a big deal
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#46 ArchoNils2
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Yeah I expected them to be really fast, but their speed is a joke, you realise that if you boot a game from your stick, it takes way to long to load

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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]I thought it was going to be faster than Class 10 SD cards and cows here were shouting that the price of the cards were worth it because it was going to be some super fast thing. WRONG!110million

There is another issue all together though, if they told people "SD Cards work" but then it turns out they have to be Class 10 or hell any specific speed, you'd be confusing consumers even more. People would buy the cheapest they can, end up with Class 4s and all of a sudden outrage.

I'm not saying they should be overcharging so much for these, but at the same time, you have to consider most consumers are pretty stupid.

I don't even get why they couldn't make them SD cards still. I have a 16 GB Class 4 for my 3DS, and load times for games that are on it (from the eShop) don't take that long at all to load. I mean, I know a class 10 card would likely load much faster and be better, but I wasn't going for that 32 GB Class 10 just yet, cause I felt the 16 GB would be enough (and so far it's plenty). I've got all kinds of games on it, but load times aren't a problem, reading SteetPass/SpotPass data is not long, and overall I think if I bought a class 10 it would really not be a big deal. Sometimes load times on a few games are maybe 5 or 6 seconds long, but I'm not dying because of it either. If Sony would have allowed SD cards, I think life would be easier, and if a consumer gets a class 4 vs 10 though Sony wnats users to only buy a 10, it's not their fault. right? :P

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#48 yoshi_64
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Doesn't seem like a big dealLastRambo341
I think the big deal is buying cards that are overpriced, when standard cards perform better, and cost way less. Less than the 8 GB sticks Sony sells in fact. There's a big problem here, and Sony is making us buy cards only because it's milking us dry.
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#49 BlackoutGunshot
Member since 2011 • 358 Posts
It's ridiculous, yep. But it wasn't a dealbreaker for me. I imagined I was paying 300 for a Vita with a 16gb hard drive and that was a fair price in my eyes.
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#50 LastRambo341
Member since 2010 • 8767 Posts
[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]Doesn't seem like a big dealyoshi_64
I think the big deal is buying cards that are overpriced, when standard cards perform better, and cost way less. Less than the 8 GB sticks Sony sells in fact. There's a big problem here, and Sony is making us buy cards only because it's milking us dry.

I'm not talking about price, but about the speed. I mean, what difference will you see?