So THIS is why Nintendo will never do Achievements/Trophies...

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#101 Zune_HD
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If Nintendo dose not have a achievement/trophy system on there next console i wont buy one.djsifer01

Wow.

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#102 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="djsifer01"]If Nintendo dose not have a achievement/trophy system on there next console i wont buy one.Zune_HD

Wow.

Who the heck is that?

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#103 Bigboi500
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That reasoning just doesn't add up. Trophies and achievements don't tell people how to play a game they "reward" players for doing something in a game.ycole11
They certainly can affect the way people play a game, depending on the achievements/trophies that are given. For instance, the 100 feathers one in Assassin's Creed 2. To get that one you have to spend hours upon hours searching for them, or use a game guide to find 'em. That's really kind of ridiculous, yet thousands of people will now be doing that in the game JUST for the trophy/achievement. Nobody would normally collect all that just for a cape that keeps guards away.

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#104 Bigboi500
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Why not include them. It's simple and adds fun. There's literally no negative. To people saying they are useless and Nintendo games don't need them: Why is there Star Coins in NSMBW? Why is there "stamps" in Wii Sports? Why are there special challenge objectives in Punchout Wii? Why are these goals here? Because they are fun of course. Should be standard.locopatho
Collecting them opens up a uber-hardcore world in that game.

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#105 TacticalDesire
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If there is a substantial in-game reward for collecting say all of the coins in the game then you don't really need achievements, but if there isn't anything fantastic than an achievement makes your effort feel a little more worthwhile.

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#106 NoirLamia
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I thought an achievement system was confirmed for the 3DS?

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#107 deactivated-61cf0c4baf12e
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So they won't put achievements for finding every star because they are virtual points worth nothing but they will "hide" stars in unexpected places in order to have a virtual good personal feeling after getting them because I explore the small world they throw at me?

That doesn't make any sense.

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#108 JuarN18
Member since 2007 • 4981 Posts

There's always a next console :P

And btw, Club Nintendo > Worthless Achievements

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#109 ShuichiChamp24
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Don't really care for them, outside of achievements or trophies you get auto I don't go after them.

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#110 Blabadon
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Honestl, that satisfaction of a new star in SMG > Trophies.
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#111 locopatho
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Honestl, that satisfaction of a new star in SMG > Trophies. Blabadon
And that new star is exactly as fun or worthless (depending on your view) as an achievement.
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#112 lowe0
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That's what I like about achievements! It's like having the developer sitting next to you saying "if you thought that was awesome, try it again, but this time...."
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#113 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Honestl, that satisfaction of a new star in SMG > Trophies. locopatho
And that new star is exactly as fun or worthless (depending on your view) as an achievement.

Those stars have use. They unlock more worlds (and if I read right, you can play as Luigi if you get all of Mario's stars. I don't know that part because I haven't done that yet, but I'm working on that right now). I should know, I own Galaxy and I'm currently playing it.

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#114 Mario1331
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It's not a big deal to hav achievements just have an organized information service if FC is nintendo's thing just one please
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#115 Gamingclone
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I just thought of something, usually when they say they arent doing something or they believe people dont want it, they are actually working on it. Dumb thought I know, but for all we know, the 3DS doesnt have achievements because the system that nintendo is working on just isnt ready and will become aviable in a firmware update. Also, with it likely that they are going to hint or actually announce the Wii2 at E3 for all we know, it might be the system that launches nintendo's own verson of achivements.

But anyway, like I said, I dont care about achievements, I dont see much use in them, especially if you dont have internet or if you cant afford to pay extra fees (live).

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#116 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]Honestl, that satisfaction of a new star in SMG > Trophies. nintendoboy16

And that new star is exactly as fun or worthless (depending on your view) as an achievement.

Those stars have use. They unlock more worlds (and if I read right, you can play as Luigi if you get all of Mario's stars. I don't know that part because I haven't done that yet, but I'm working on that right now). I should know, I own Galaxy and I'm currently playing it.

Yeah unlock Luigi... who gets to play the same game as Mario. Its nothing special. The POINT is, game design is 100% about so called "worthless goals", Nintendo does them as well as everyone else. Only difference is lack of unified system.
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#117 Big_Pecks
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I definitely think that Nintendo should add achievements to their next gen. console. It makes playing games much more addicting and long lasting, to me at least.

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#118 Coolyfett
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I completely agree with Nintendo. Achievements and Trophies are pointless.

NaveedLife

What are Nintendo Coins & Nintendo Rewards?

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#119 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I completely agree with Nintendo. Achievements and Trophies are pointless.

Coolyfett

What are Nintendo Coins & Nintendo Rewards?

Nothing at all- what makes you think they are in the games at all? Seriously, have you ever even played a Nintendo game? Nintendo Rewards are just bonuses you get for completing surveys online :lol: Coins are rewards you get from walking about with your 3DS.

Seriously dude, you criticize Nintendo so hard, but you don't even have an idea of what you're talking about, do you?

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#120 locopatho
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[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I completely agree with Nintendo. Achievements and Trophies are pointless.

charizard1605

What are Nintendo Coins & Nintendo Rewards?

Nothing at all- what makes you think they are in the games at all? Seriously, have you ever even played a Nintendo game? Nintendo Rewards are just bonuses you get for completing surveys online :lol: Coins are rewards you get from walking about with your 3DS.

Seriously dude, you criticize Nintendo so hard, but you don't even have an idea of what you're talking about, do you?

Thought he meant coins and high scores in Mario World :P
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#121 Lto_thaG
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It's easy to determine if someone has played the game though.Like a gamercard.

Not something a gaming company would think of when creating a system though.

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#122 fueled-system
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Honestly thats a bad excuse... Achievements were probably the best thing to come this gen.

They add tons to a game... nobody is forced to get all the achievements as well but it adds replay value to it

Also not to mention it would help sales for nintendo with those that are obsessed with them

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#123 racing1750
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I like getting a reward for finishing a level or getting 25 headshots etc. Achievements and trophies add replay value imo.
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#124 Lucianu
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Honestly thats a bad excuse... Achievements were probably the best thing to come this gen.

They add tons to a game... nobody is forced to get all the achievements as well but it adds replay value to it

Also not to mention it would help sales for nintendo with those that are obsessed with them

fueled-system

I get that, like those score systems in arcade games. You felt satisfying wen you achived a higher score than another person.

But i think they should swap that with unlockable bonuses than useless achivements, bonuses that adds to the game a ton more replay value and well worth spending your money. Kill the damn bull DLC (God only knows why people buy them), and add unlockable bonuses that can be achived by completing a various tasks from the game. A lot of games did that, but not a significant mainstream amount.

That would be so damn cool..

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#126 Lucianu
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Really if you look and see how many people jump into the first pit in a game 5 times in a row to get an award that is retarded.wooooode

How can there be awards for failing 5 times?

That makes no damn sense...

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#127 wooooode
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Just thought of this but they could just make online leader board for games and use the completion percentage of games and total them up to be your score and you could have a total completion percentage of all your games. They could use a rank system by the amount of games you have if over a certain percentage. 50 games with over 95% would be platnum or something.
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#128 wooooode
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[QUOTE="wooooode"] Really if you look and see how many people jump into the first pit in a game 5 times in a row to get an award that is retarded.Lucianu

How can there be awards for failing 5 times?

That makes no damn sense...

There are alot of them that you have to fail to get.
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#129 Lucianu
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There are alot of them that you have to fail to get.wooooode

That's messed up. Achivements are for a succes, not for a fail. It's like getting a high score in games and you've ben doing nothing except dying. What king of logic is that, what were they thinking, damn.

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#130 EliteM0nk3y
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[QUOTE="wooooode"]There are alot of them that you have to fail to get.Lucianu

That's messed up. Achivements are for a succes, not for a fail. It's like getting a high score in games and you've ben doing nothing except dying. What king of logic is that, what were they thinking, damn.

Ever play GHIII? It has a couple achievements like that.

Blowin' It:Fail any song 10 times

Almost Got It:Fail a song passed 90% completion

Oh and those get 0 achievement points (360 version obviously)

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#131 drinkerofjuice
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Anyone remember when finishing the game felt incredibly rewarding? It still does. But apparently it's not enough anymore. We something truly superficial! Y'all so silly :P
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#132 Salt_The_Fries
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There is nothing stopping them from adding achievements after the game has been made.

Nintendo_Man
You missed the point. The impact is purely psychological. If you know from achievements that there is something to collect, then if you have obsession about collecting, you will be confiined to finding them, instead of exploring the game at your own pace. And besides, most of collectables are in the first place solely because they are tied to specific achievement, and NOTHING more.
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#133 bobbetybob
Member since 2005 • 19370 Posts

I completely agree with Nintendo. Achievements and Trophies are pointless.

NaveedLife
Yeah at first I was all for them but now I don't even try to get them, he's right, if you can't make a player want to explore on their own without going "Hey in this level there's a secret area and you'll get a trophy if you go there" then you've not made a very good game.