So waht exactly is the 3DS

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#1 quizee
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is it a brand new handheld or just a new SKU? im not quite sure

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#2 AmayaPapaya
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It's on PS2-PS3 level

Not PS2-PS2 slim level.

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#3 tomarlyn
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Brand new with Gamecube power.
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#4 osan0
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sounds like a DS2 basically. man if its just a DS with some 3d tacked on then ill stick with my lite. but im pretty sure its a DS2.
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#5 Meinhard1
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Brand new handheld. It's supposed to have gamecube quality graphics, a thumbstick, tilt sensitivity, camera, rumble and a 3D.
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#6 quizee
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sweet guys thanks for clearing that up
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#7 flipdc5
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Brand new with Gamecube power.tomarlyn

GC power? I highly doubt it. Was it even confirmed that its using Tegra 2?

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#8 AmayaPapaya
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Brand new with Gamecube power.flipdc5

GC power? I highly doubt it. Was it even confirmed that its using Tegra 2?

Each Hanheld went up one gen in graphics from the previous. So it is more than likely it will end up beig GC power. I remember saying the same thing when I heard DS was going to have N64 Power :P

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#9 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Brand new with Gamecube power.flipdc5

GC power? I highly doubt it. Was it even confirmed that its using Tegra 2?

The press release is supposed to mention Tegra so it'll be in the ball park at least.
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#10 funsohng
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Brand new handheld. It's supposed to have gamecube quality graphics, a thumbstick, tilt sensitivity, camera, rumble and a 3D.Meinhard1
so... no more touchscreens?
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#11 SRTtoZ
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Its always going to be a successor to a console/handheld when there's a significant increase in graphical power.

Bigger screens/redesigns/more features never count.

So if you look at the details SO far, press release etc, you will notice this is an entire new system, if you say otherwise, you probably cant read.

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[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]Brand new handheld. It's supposed to have gamecube quality graphics, a thumbstick, tilt sensitivity, camera, rumble and a 3D.funsohng
so... no more touchscreens?

The rumble is in the DS pen according to a patent. So there should still be a touch screen.

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#13 funsohng
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[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="Meinhard1"]Brand new handheld. It's supposed to have gamecube quality graphics, a thumbstick, tilt sensitivity, camera, rumble and a 3D.AmayaPapaya

so... no more touchscreens?

The rumble is in the DS pen according to a patent. So there should still be a touch screen.

i just realized it's fully backward-compatible, so it has to have touch screen (....) i wonder if they will have two touch screens
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#14 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="Meinhard1"]Brand new handheld. It's supposed to have gamecube quality graphics, a thumbstick, tilt sensitivity, camera, rumble and a 3D.AmayaPapaya

so... no more touchscreens?

The rumble is in the DS pen according to a patent. So there should still be a touch screen.

Wouldn't that mean the pen is wired to the device, what if it breaks?
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#15 AmayaPapaya
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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="funsohng"] so... no more touchscreens?tomarlyn

The rumble is in the DS pen according to a patent. So there should still be a touch screen.

Wouldn't that mean the pen is wired to the device, what if it breaks?

If you can find the patent, Im sure it will expalin it.

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[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]Brand new handheld. It's supposed to have gamecube quality graphics, a thumbstick, tilt sensitivity, camera, rumble and a 3D.funsohng
so... no more touchscreens?

Probably. It's still bears the DS name, and the touchscreen has worked really well for them. I'd be utterly shocked if it didn't.
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#17 moistsandwich
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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="funsohng"] so... no more touchscreens?tomarlyn

The rumble is in the DS pen according to a patent. So there should still be a touch screen.

Wouldn't that mean the pen is wired to the device, what if it breaks?

Maybe it's solar powered?

just kidding...

perhaps it has a small internal battery, that charges when you charge the handheld?

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#18 ThePlothole
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Wouldn't that mean the pen is wired to the device, what if it breaks?tomarlyn

This is the patent in question.. My interpretation was that the rumble comes from the device, not the pen.

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[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]Brand new handheld. It's supposed to have gamecube quality graphics, a thumbstick, tilt sensitivity, camera, rumble and a 3D.funsohng
so... no more touchscreens?

Touch screens will still be there. It is backwards compatible with DS games so touch screens are a given.

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It cures blindness.
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#21 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Wouldn't that mean the pen is wired to the device, what if it breaks?ThePlothole

This is the patent in question.. My interpretation was that the rumble comes from the device, not the pen.

Thanks. I remember reading the ''revolution'' patents, mind meltingly confusing.

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[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Wouldn't that mean the pen is wired to the device, what if it breaks?tomarlyn

This is the patent in question.. My interpretation was that the rumble comes from the device, not the pen.

Thanks. I remember reading the ''revolution'' patents, mind meltingly confusing.

You know what, I think I gave you the wrong link. This patent doesn't seem to mention feedback at all. Unfortunately it is the one everyone is linking to (do they read it?)... ugh, I will try to do some more digging.

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#23 ThePlothole
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Okay, this should actually be the right one. Sorry about that.

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#24 Rev3nger
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Way to ditch the DSi :P
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#25 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]

This is the patent in question.. My interpretation was that the rumble comes from the device, not the pen.

ThePlothole

Thanks. I remember reading the ''revolution'' patents, mind meltingly confusing.

You know what, I think I gave you the wrong link. This patent doesn't seem to mention feedback at all. Unfortunately it is the one everyone is linking to (do they read it?)... ugh, I will try to do some more digging.

Well it was filed on the 18th of this month (before the announcement) and describes a handheld.

Also:

''A storage medium storing a three-dimensional image processing program according to claim 1, whereinsaid input device is a pointing device, andsaid object moving means moves said object to the position coordinate designated with said pointing device on the projection plane of said imaged image.''

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#26 tikki25x
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i heard the gap between the screens will be decreased. can anyone confirm that?

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#27 ThePlothole
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Well it was filed on the 18th of this month (before the announcement) and describes a handheld.

Also:

''A storage medium storing a three-dimensional image processing program according to claim 1, whereinsaid input device is a pointing device, andsaid object moving means moves said object to the position coordinate designated with said pointing device on the projection plane of said imaged image.''

tomarlyn

Yeah, but I'm now positive that this this is the one I had previously seen.

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#28 tikki25x
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

Well it was filed on the 18th of this month (before the announcement) and describes a handheld.

Also:

''A storage medium storing a three-dimensional image processing program according to claim 1, whereinsaid input device is a pointing device, andsaid object moving means moves said object to the position coordinate designated with said pointing device on the projection plane of said imaged image.''

ThePlothole

Yeah, but I'm now positive that this this is the one I had previously seen.

i think that may apply to a specific game for the platform. sounds very interesting regardless.

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#29 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

Well it was filed on the 18th of this month (before the announcement) and describes a handheld.

Also:

''A storage medium storing a three-dimensional image processing program according to claim 1, whereinsaid input device is a pointing device, andsaid object moving means moves said object to the position coordinate designated with said pointing device on the projection plane of said imaged image.''

ThePlothole

Yeah, but I'm now positive that this this is the one I had previously seen.

A bit odd, I can't determine if the ''vibrating stick'' means a stylus or analogue stick. Doesn't seem to mention 3D either.
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#30 flipdc5
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i heard the gap between the screens will be decreased. can anyone confirm that?

tikki25x

They should have afold-abledisplay. I was never too fond of those gaps, makes Sonic Rush frustrating to play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qat9FeJ6qIg

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#31 amaneuvering
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is it a brand new handheld or just a new SKU? im not quite sure

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It's like the equivalent of the GBC-GBA jump imo. There's more power and the obvious jump in graphics that are like going from an N64 to a GC (just like the GBA was like going from a NES to a SNES), a couple of control changes (just like the GBA added two more face buttons and shoulder buttons), it's backwards compatible with DS/DSi (just like the GBA played GB/GBC games), and there's the whole 3D display thing (well that's quite a big and very cool change there), but it still has two screens just like the current DS/DSi (as far as we know) and it's still part of the DS line based on the current code name (3DS).
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#32 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="tikki25x"]

i heard the gap between the screens will be decreased. can anyone confirm that?

flipdc5

They should have afold-abledisplay. I was never too fond of those gaps, makes Sonic Rush frustrating to play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qat9FeJ6qIg

They will probably use OLED in the screen too now that I think about it :o
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#33 Senor_Kami
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It's a brand new handheld that will have a new SKU.
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#34 sherlock99
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it's nintendo's next-gen handheld system
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#35 Messiahbolical-
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Brand new with Gamecube power.tomarlyn
Isn't that what the Wii was?
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#36 Willy105
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It's Nintendo's next-gen handheld. And if you are a conspiracy theorist, it's the one console future!!!1!1!!one!!
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#37 Willy105
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Brand new with Gamecube power.Messiahbolical-
Isn't that what the Wii was?

But that's a console, not a handheld. Also, the Wii is not really Gamecube power, is a couple times stronger, but tell the devs that.
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#38 Willy105
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i heard the gap between the screens will be decreased. can anyone confirm that?

tikki25x
Nobody can confirm until Nintendo actually shows the thing at E3, but the developers say it is 'seamless', and it folds when you close it.
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#39 Mckenna1845
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i think because it's called 3ds that causes confusion, and the gamespot editors first impressions said it was another part of the ds line, but it is definitely a brand new handheld. it's looking pretty awesome from what i've read, i wonder what sony's going to do? surely they'll want the psp2 out as fast as possible to try and compete.
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#40 Messiahbolical-
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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Brand new with Gamecube power.Willy105
Isn't that what the Wii was?

But that's a console, not a handheld. Also, the Wii is not really Gamecube power, is a couple times stronger, but tell the devs that.

You know I see posts like this all the time with sheep defending the Wii's hardware. Why even bother? You could say the Wii is capable of running Crysis on high at 120 fps for all I care. The developers have already proven the strength of the Wii hardware: It has none. SMG is the best looking game on the entire console and that's pathetic. It's not even that much of an improvement over Super Mario Sunshine and they run at the same resolution. Why defend the Wii's hardware? It sucks. It's common knowledge. You don't have to convince yourself otherwise any longer. The truth will set you free. Just be happy that Nintendo's handheld division is still respectable. If they can match GC power on a handheld, that's pretty impressive IMO. It'll just suck when you go to play your Wii and you realize that a handheld has pretty much the same exact graphic capabilities as it... that's kind of sad.
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im very excited about this, theres alot of rumors but i can't wait for e3 to hear more.
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#42 hoola
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You already have your answer, but i am going to say that it will be an Epic Fail if it doesn't have a second thumbstick. Learn from sony, Nintendo: People want a second thumbstick so they can play FPS games. It is nearly impossible to play them and feel good if all you have is a left thumbstick and the touchscreen...it doesn't feel as good as dual thumbsticks.

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#43 Microsoft1234
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You already have your answer, but i am going to say that it will be an Epic Fail if it doesn't have a second thumbstick. Learn from sony, Nintendo: People want a second thumbstick so they can play FPS games. It is nearly impossible to play them and feel good if all you have is a left thumbstick and the touchscreen...it doesn't feel as good as dual thumbsticks.

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have you played metroid prime hunters? that game was probably the best fps on a handheld of all time. , although i agree it depends on teh size, because using touch screen for shooters is better on the bulky ds then the ds lite.
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#44 hoola
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have you played metroid prime hunters? that game was probably the best fps on a handheld of all time. , although i agree it depends on teh size, because using touch screen for shooters is better on the bulky ds then the ds lite. Microsoft1234

Yes, but i found the shooting to be horrible with the touch screen + d-pad. Better than PSP FPS games, but still not as good as Dual analog i feel. It is just so awkward holding the DS in one hand then using your other as the mover and it gets hard to play when it is put on a flat surface.

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People want a second thumbstick so they can play FPS games. hoola

Am i the only one that feels that there is an intense FPS over saturation this generation? I would prefer it if the controls did not cater to more bland first person shooters.

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#46 Microsoft1234
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[QUOTE="hoola"]People want a second thumbstick so they can play FPS games. _Tobli_

Am i the only one that feels that there is an intense FPS over saturation this generation? I would prefer it if the controls did not cater to more bland first person shooters.

ever since goldeneye and halo every companys trying to make that console fps that everybody will buy.......unfortunately we get alot of shovelware of fpses along with it . ..
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#47 IronstaunchB
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I don't understand the fascination with dual-analog controls in a FPS. Maybe it's because I almost completely switched to PC FPS after the N64 era. To me, Dpad + touchscreen is closer to a mouse and keyboard setup and feels better.

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its 3 DS. you get 3 in 1
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#49 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Brand new with Gamecube power.Messiahbolical-
Isn't that what the Wii was?

Close, which is why the Wii 2 must be around the corner. Even if the 3DS is near- Gamecube qiuality it'll be within the Wii's ballpark. I think E3 will look like this: 3DS showcase Zelda showcase Mention of Wii 3D Wii 3D playable at next years E3 before xmas 2011 release
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#50 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="hoola"]People want a second thumbstick so they can play FPS games. _Tobli_

Am i the only one that feels that there is an intense FPS over saturation this generation? I would prefer it if the controls did not cater to more bland first person shooters.

There's only 2-3 decent FPS's on the DS and PSP.

Gamers want good FPS's on the go, having played DOOM 3 in 3D I can preach that its an awesome experience. The stylus is perfect but you can get cramp if you use it for too long, although handhelds are meant for short gaming bursts and the shooter genre is perfect for that. If PSP2 has dual analogue then fine.