So what happened to the SW rules?

I haven't been here during the first days of the Gamospot/CNET controversy but I can remember that people have started a thread about changing the SW rules since we know we can't trust GS reviews anymore. Gamerankings was leading with something like 65%, Metacritic with 20% and GS had 15%.

So what happened with that? Personally, I must say that I always hoped they would change it for GR. But now it's the big majority so...

EDIT : Here's the thread : http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26072734

GR still dominates

...and did the mods comment?Timesplitter14

Mods don't really decide what sites the forum uses, the forumers do that on their own. Sure it helps to have mods back you up, but you're not violating any ToU by switching the forum to GR or not.

yeah im interested in knowing too..

All i heard was Jeff got fired because his review aggravated sponsors...so CNET fired him....thats absolute BS, and it pretty much goes to show how reliable these reviews are.....now we cant even tell what reviews have been influenced by companies and stuff.....

Please say we're now using Gamerankings.....actually I say we use Gametrailers.....

Should we use Gamerankings? I give that idea a resounding no.

In situations like these, people tend to point almost immediately to Gamerankings, without thinking it through. Let me elaborate on the single, most glaringly obvious flaw. Scores change.

How could we possibly keep up with the endless amount of reviews coming in? The score will constantly change, it's a dynamic system and nothing will be set in stone, well that's if you're willing to wait over a month to get an official score.

GR counts everything, to the credible to the downright biased; GR also counts some sites scores for some games but ignores some sites scores for other releases. More reviews are also released for some games whilst less is released for others, making it (ultimately) an unfair system.

On to other point, notice how GR typically has more AAA games than GS ever did, if we use GR, the unpredictable nature of System Wars will be gone. The aura of anxiety before a review will be lost too.

Look at Mario Sunshine, a defining flop in SW history. That wouldn't have happened, also TP wouldn't have happened. Great events like that would never have happened under Gamerankings. Not only is the system flawed, but it takes away the appeal and charm of SW.

My suggestion is that we use Gametrailers and Eurogamer. Average the reviews out and there we have an official score. Eurogamer is unpredictable (much like GS) and Gametrailers have great and down to earth reviews.

Or we could use GS (a tried and true formula), whatever happens I just hope GR wont be the norm as ultimately it will be the demise of this community.

nothing has changed.CaseyWegner

To whom?

The majority seem to think that change was the route to take, in fact only a small relative fraction thought nothing should change...

Should we use Gamerankings? I give that idea a resounding no.

In situations like these, people tend to point almost immediately to Gamerankings, without thinking it through. Let me elaborate on the single, most glaringly obvious flaw. Scores change.

How could we possibly keep up with the endless amount of reviews coming in? The score will constantly change, it's a dynamic system and nothing will be set in stone, well that's if you're willing to wait over a month to get an official score.

GR counts everything, to the credible to the downright biased; GR also counts some sites scores for some games but ignores some sites scores for other releases. More reviews are also released for some games whilst less is released for others, making it (ultimately) an unfair system.

On to other point, notice how GR typically has more AAA games than GS ever did, if we use GR, the unpredictable nature of System Wars will be gone. The aura of anxiety before a review will be lost too.

Look at Mario Sunshine, a defining flop in SW history. That wouldn't have happened, also TP wouldn't have happened. Great events like that would never have happened under Gamerankings. Not only is the system flawed, but it takes away the appeal and charm of SW.

My suggestion is that we use Gametrailers and Eurogamer. Average the reviews out and there we have an official score. Eurogamer is unpredictable (much like GS) and Gametrailers have great and down to earth reviews.

Or we could use GS (a tried and true formula), whatever happens I just hope GR wont be the norm as ultimately it will be the demise of this community.

gingerdivid

I think it makes more sense to use Gamerankings now.SaintBlaze

yes.

nothing has changed.CaseyWegner

I'd like a reason why we have to go against the majority's opinion

Only paranoid fanboys think GS has changed :roll:Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Should we use Gamerankings? I give that idea a resounding no.

In situations like these, people tend to point almost immediately to Gamerankings, without thinking it through. Let me elaborate on the single, most glaringly obvious flaw. Scores change.

How could we possibly keep up with the endless amount of reviews coming in? The score will constantly change, it's a dynamic system and nothing will be set in stone, well that's if you're willing to wait over a month to get an official score.

GR counts everything, to the credible to the downright biased; GR also counts some sites scores for some games but ignores some sites scores for other releases. More reviews are also released for some games whilst less is released for others, making it (ultimately) an unfair system.

On to other point, notice how GR typically has more AAA games than GS ever did, if we use GR, the unpredictable nature of System Wars will be gone. The aura of anxiety before a review will be lost too.

Look at Mario Sunshine, a defining flop in SW history. That wouldn't have happened, also TP wouldn't have happened. Great events like that would never have happened under Gamerankings. Not only is the system flawed, but it takes away the appeal and charm of SW.

My suggestion is that we use Gametrailers and Eurogamer. Average the reviews out and there we have an official score. Eurogamer is unpredictable (much like GS) and Gametrailers have great and down to earth reviews.

Or we could use GS (a tried and true formula), whatever happens I just hope GR wont be the norm as ultimately it will be the demise of this community.

gingerdivid

Score changes : It's not necessarly a bad thing. It can add suspense to the whole thing.

Biased reviews : Some reviews are biased positively and others negatively. Combined, they make an average.

Number of reviews : We can be sure that every hyped game will get many reviews. And as long as they get more than 20, for example, it'll make a very representative average.

More AAAs on GR: Except for Zelda TP, MEand R&C, which honestly diserved AAA, I can't think of more cases where this happened

Flops aren't great events when we know they're not flops

We just can't use GS anymore. And it's not a proven formula. They have a long history of scandalous reviews and their reviews are for sale

Only paranoid fanboys think GS has changed :roll:Gh0st_Of_0nyx

GS has always been like that. That's why we want to change andmany of usalways wanted to do so

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Only paranoid fanboys think GS has changed :roll:skektek

How about you all use the average score of player reviews? whitetiger3521

Too many haters. Halo 3 would almost be AA with that

I can see how every fanboy would go rate it 1/10 or 10/10 the night of the review

using GR would destroy SW... Casey, PLEASE take a direct stance on this immediately. You know just as well as I do that GR as the score system would absolutely suck... Make GR never, EVER an option... There are too many console only reviewers that give out perfect scores like candy.... Hermit would leave in flocks because it just isn't worth it because the Lems, Cows and Sheep are at an astonomical advantage because their reviewers have lower standards than a 10 cent whore... The most viable solution to make everyone happy would be to use the average of IGN, GS, and Eurogamer... That way people can't claim GS's bias, GS scores STILL do count, and nobody is at a huge disadvantage. Gametrailers only rate like 2 PC games a year and their reviews suck horribly for PC games... 1UP has different review systems amongst the collection of magazines that make it up. EGM gives out perfect scores regularly and they are Console only. GFW magazine which is PC only uses a 5 average scale making getting AAA status an utterly impossible chore... Perfect score is also impossible.

Anyway, IGN, GS and Eurogamer average is the most viable option... Please use your common sense SW users... GR would make SW suck.

[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Only paranoid fanboys think GS has changed :roll:Gh0st_Of_0nyx

GS isn't bisade but their reviews are for sale and even if they weren'tthey usuallydon't represent the general opinion on a game, so it's a flawed system

Ok then. Should we select a few sites we trust in general, and make an official SW average in a sticky for each big game? I think that would be sweet

IGN
Gamespot
Eurogamer
Gametrailers
Gamespy

Would that be ok?

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Only paranoid fanboys think GS has changed :roll:Timesplitter14

GS isn't bisade but their reviews are for sale and even if they weren'tthey usuallydon't represent the general opinion on a game, so it's a flawed system

reviews are for sale... otherwise the Kane and Lynch score would have been raised... all they did was censor his comments on the game... Scores remain the same... Wording doesn't.... Not good but it isn't like the scores are for sale.

Ok then. Should we select a dozen of sites we thrust in general, and make an official SW average in a sticky for each big game? I think that would be sweetTimesplitter14

only 3... Eurogamer, IGN and GS. Thats all. 1UP is out of the question because they have two different review systems within their own website... Gametrailers also doesn't work because they never review PC games and their PC reviews typically suck because they complain about stupid stuff...

while you were gone, GS bought the world of gaming and has been renamed to LEMspot, and the 360 is now soverign king of this kingdom.Strongman98

hmm sure

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Ok then. Should we select a dozen of sites we thrust in general, and make an official SW average in a sticky for each big game? I think that would be sweethorrowhip

only 3... Eurogamer, IGN and GS. Thats all. 1UP is out of the question because they have two different review systems within their own website... Gametrailers also doesn't work because they never review PC games and their PC reviews typically suck because they complain about stupid stuff...

Allright I'm fine with that

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]How about you all use the average score of player reviews? Timesplitter14

Too many haters. Halo 3 would almost be AA with that

I can see how every fanboy would go rate it 1/10 or 10/10 the night of the review

That is true.

Well since this is Gamespot it's only right to use Gamespot reviews even though I dont agree with alot of them.

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Ok then. Should we select a dozen of sites we thrust in general, and make an official SW average in a sticky for each big game? I think that would be sweethorrowhip

only 3... Eurogamer, IGN and GS. Thats all. 1UP is out of the question because they have two different review systems within their own website... Gametrailers also doesn't work because they never review PC games and their PC reviews typically suck because they complain about stupid stuff...

"They never" review PC games, but their "PC reviews suck".

Do you understand what a contradiction is?

what i dont like about using GR is that systemwars wont be nearly as fun.

Listen, when a big review drops in gamespot, the forums go crazy because thats it, thats a wrap. With Gamerankings, scores for games will be coming in for weeks, there would be such a prolonged wait for a settled average that the whole point of hype/flop scenario would be gone from SW.

some people may like it that way, but SW has always been most fun on the night of a big game review. anyone who was here for MGS3, TP, Halo 2, Fable, killzone etc can tell you this.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Ok then. Should we select a dozen of sites we thrust in general, and make an official SW average in a sticky for each big game? I think that would be sweet-RPGamer-

only 3... Eurogamer, IGN and GS. Thats all. 1UP is out of the question because they have two different review systems within their own website... Gametrailers also doesn't work because they never review PC games and their PC reviews typically suck because they complain about stupid stuff...

"They never" review PC games, but their "PC reviews suck".

Do you understand what a contradiction is?

you know exactly what I meant.. I even said it in my earlier post. They review like 2 PC exclusives a year... How will they be a viable site to use if 99% of the PC games that come out aren't reviewed by them? And when they actually do review, they absolutely suck... Crysis doesn't require anywhere near a $3000 computer to run... They complained that STALKER's AI was "too good." Seriously? How are they a viable site considering the PC is part of this forum?

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Ok then. Should we select a dozen of sites we thrust in general, and make an official SW average in a sticky for each big game? I think that would be sweethorrowhip

only 3... Eurogamer, IGN and GS. Thats all. 1UP is out of the question because they have two different review systems within their own website... Gametrailers also doesn't work because they never review PC games and their PC reviews typically suck because they complain about stupid stuff...

"They never" review PC games, but their "PC reviews suck".

Do you understand what a contradiction is?

you know exactly what I meant.. I even said it in my earlier post. They review like 2 PC exclusives a year... How will they be a viable site to use if 99% of the PC games that come out aren't reviewed by them? And when they actually do review, they absolutely suck... Crysis doesn't require anywhere near a $3000 computer to run... They complained that STALKER's AI was "too good." Seriously? How are they a viable site considering the PC is part of this forum?

I don't read all your posts, so I'm not going to assume what you meant.

PC is the least cared of system and fanboy flavor (hermit) here. You could still average without them, and same for any game for that matter.

I don't read all your posts, so I'm not going to assume what you meant.

PC is the least cared of system and fanboy flavor (hermit) here. You could still average without them, and same for any game for that matter.

-RPGamer-

... The PC IS still part of SW so you have to only use websites that also review all the PC games... GT doesn't work.

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Should we use Gamerankings? I give that idea a resounding no.

In situations like these, people tend to point almost immediately to Gamerankings, without thinking it through. Let me elaborate on the single, most glaringly obvious flaw. Scores change.

How could we possibly keep up with the endless amount of reviews coming in? The score will constantly change, it's a dynamic system and nothing will be set in stone, well that's if you're willing to wait over a month to get an official score.

GR counts everything, to the credible to the downright biased; GR also counts some sites scores for some games but ignores some sites scores for other releases. More reviews are also released for some games whilst less is released for others, making it (ultimately) an unfair system.

On to other point, notice how GR typically has more AAA games than GS ever did, if we use GR, the unpredictable nature of System Wars will be gone. The aura of anxiety before a review will be lost too.

Look at Mario Sunshine, a defining flop in SW history. That wouldn't have happened, also TP wouldn't have happened. Great events like that would never have happened under Gamerankings. Not only is the system flawed, but it takes away the appeal and charm of SW.

My suggestion is that we use Gametrailers and Eurogamer. Average the reviews out and there we have an official score. Eurogamer is unpredictable (much like GS) and Gametrailers have great and down to earth reviews.

Or we could use GS (a tried and true formula), whatever happens I just hope GR wont be the norm as ultimately it will be the demise of this community.

Timesplitter14

Score changes : It's not necessarly a bad thing. It can add suspense to the whole thing.

Biased reviews : Some reviews are biased positively and others negatively. Combined, they make an average.

Number of reviews : We can be sure that every hyped game will get many reviews. And as long as they get more than 20, for example, it'll make a very representative average.

More AAAs on GR: Except for Zelda TP, MEand R&C, which honestly diserved AAA, I can't think of more cases where this happened

Flops aren't great events when we know they're not flops

We just can't use GS anymore. And it's not a proven formula. They have a long history of scandalous reviews and their reviews are for sale

More are biased positively, as there are more mags and sites that review games on only one platform. Unless you're counting Sony Defence Force.

Flops are great events to those who don't take SW seriously, they are great for the SW meta game, the game that fuels system wars.

The appeal of GR is the larger consensus of opinions, but it will damage the meta game and that is why GR is flawed. The people who want GR are the same people who got upset with the TP review and the Sunshine review, they just want thier games to be AAA, regardless of the effect it has on the meta game.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Ok then. Should we select a dozen of sites we thrust in general, and make an official SW average in a sticky for each big game? I think that would be sweethorrowhip

only 3... Eurogamer, IGN and GS. Thats all. 1UP is out of the question because they have two different review systems within their own website... Gametrailers also doesn't work because they never review PC games and their PC reviews typically suck because they complain about stupid stuff...

"They never" review PC games, but their "PC reviews suck".

Do you understand what a contradiction is?

you know exactly what I meant.. I even said it in my earlier post. They review like 2 PC exclusives a year... How will they be a viable site to use if 99% of the PC games that come out aren't reviewed by them? And when they actually do review, they absolutely suck... Crysis doesn't require anywhere near a $3000 computer to run... They complained that STALKER's AI was "too good." Seriously? How are they a viable site considering the PC is part of this forum?

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I don't read all your posts, so I'm not going to assume what you meant.

PC is the least cared of system and fanboy flavor (hermit) here. You could still average without them, and same for any game for that matter.

horrowhip

... The PC IS still part of SW so you have to only use websites that also review all the PC games... GT doesn't work.

I know that the PC "IS" still part of SW, I don't NEED that told to me.

We don't HAVE to do anything, we can DO as we please. You've said your piece, but it is just that a piece.

GT works fine for me considering the portion you're worried about is more foten than not the least noticed system here on SW outside of handhelds.

nothing has changed.CaseyWegner

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gamespot Failed.........

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I don't read all your posts, so I'm not going to assume what you meant.

PC is the least cared of system and fanboy flavor (hermit) here. You could still average without them, and same for any game for that matter.

-RPGamer-

... The PC IS still part of SW so you have to only use websites that also review all the PC games... GT doesn't work.

I know that the PC "IS" still part of SW, I don't NEED that told to me.

We don't HAVE to do anything, we can DO as we please. You've said your piece, but it is just that a piece.

GT works fine for me considering the portion you're worried about is more foten than not the least noticed system here on SW outside of handhelds.

But that would be suppressing a minority, and that very minority are part of the dynamics of this forum. gingerdivid

Considering this little string of posts is based on someone using an average among sites, they wouldn't be out of the picture. Just one site may not care to review all the games they want. Not all sites will review all games regardless of the hardware anyway.

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"] But that would be suppressing a minority, and that very minority are part of the dynamics of this forum. -RPGamer-

Considering this little string of posts is based on someone using an average among sites, they wouldn't be out of the picture. Just one site may not care to review all the games they want. Not all sites will review all games regardless of the hardware anyway.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"] But that would be suppressing a minority, and that very minority are part of the dynamics of this forum. gingerdivid

Considering this little string of posts is based on someone using an average among sites, they wouldn't be out of the picture. Just one site may not care to review all the games they want. Not all sites will review all games regardless of the hardware anyway.

The balance is already offset for hermits and the PC. If 4/5 sites review PC games, and it's the least of mention here than it shou;dn't really make much a "wave". And GT does review some PC games, ones that often bother to get mention here for that matter.

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"] But that would be suppressing a minority, and that very minority are part of the dynamics of this forum. -RPGamer-

Considering this little string of posts is based on someone using an average among sites, they wouldn't be out of the picture. Just one site may not care to review all the games they want. Not all sites will review all games regardless of the hardware anyway.

Hermits aren't the minority here... There was a poll a while back and People prefering the PC was the number one on the poll.. If the search function wasn't so horribly broken I would find it...

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"] But that would be suppressing a minority, and that very minority are part of the dynamics of this forum. horrowhip

Considering this little string of posts is based on someone using an average among sites, they wouldn't be out of the picture. Just one site may not care to review all the games they want. Not all sites will review all games regardless of the hardware anyway.

Hermits aren't the minority here... There was a poll a while back and People prefering the PC was the number one on the poll.. If the search function wasn't so horribly broken I would find it...

If you find it would be of interest to me, however, seeing as how I've been here for close to 7yrs (sadly) I can say from said time here that hermits are often the least mentioned in terms games coming out and "battles" between fanboys.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Ok then. Should we select a dozen of sites we thrust in general, and make an official SW average in a sticky for each big game? I think that would be sweethorrowhip

only 3... Eurogamer, IGN and GS. Thats all. 1UP is out of the question because they have two different review systems within their own website... Gametrailers also doesn't work because they never review PC games and their PC reviews typically suck because they complain about stupid stuff...

"They never" review PC games, but their "PC reviews suck".

Do you understand what a contradiction is?

you know exactly what I meant.. I even said it in my earlier post. They review like 2 PC exclusives a year... How will they be a viable site to use if 99% of the PC games that come out aren't reviewed by them? And when they actually do review, they absolutely suck... Crysis doesn't require anywhere near a $3000 computer to run... They complained that STALKER's AI was "too good." Seriously? How are they a viable site considering the PC is part of this forum?

Sounds like a certain review that Gamespot did for a certain game that was released on the PS3 on November 19th...

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"] But that would be suppressing a minority, and that very minority are part of the dynamics of this forum. -RPGamer-

Considering this little string of posts is based on someone using an average among sites, they wouldn't be out of the picture. Just one site may not care to review all the games they want. Not all sites will review all games regardless of the hardware anyway.

Hermits aren't the minority here... There was a poll a while back and People prefering the PC was the number one on the poll.. If the search function wasn't so horribly broken I would find it...

If you find it would be of interest to me, however, seeing as how I've been here for close to 7yrs (sadly) I can say from said time here that hermits are often the least mentioned in terms games coming out and "battles" between fanboys.

they are the quiet majority... Out of 800 something votesasking what your favorite system was,I believe 270 were for PC. There were like 230 for 230, 220 for PS3 and 210 for Wii something like that anyway...

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"] But that would be suppressing a minority, and that very minority are part of the dynamics of this forum. horrowhip

Considering this little string of posts is based on someone using an average among sites, they wouldn't be out of the picture. Just one site may not care to review all the games they want. Not all sites will review all games regardless of the hardware anyway.

Hermits aren't the minority here... There was a poll a while back and People prefering the PC was the number one on the poll.. If the search function wasn't so horribly broken I would find it...

If you find it would be of interest to me, however, seeing as how I've been here for close to 7yrs (sadly) I can say from said time here that hermits are often the least mentioned in terms games coming out and "battles" between fanboys.

they are the quiet majority... Out of 800 something votesasking what your favorite system was,I believe 270 were for PC. There were like 230 for 230, 220 for PS3 and 210 for Wii something like that anyway...

If that's the case than more should speak up if we go this route (I doubt they would if we did), a silent vote is wasted regardless of who it belongs too. Furthermore, preferring the PC doesn't make the people who said that "fanboys" (ie hermits), it just makes them fans (if your claim is true there ones that don't really participate here).

So if I entertain your train of thought, why cater to people who hardly contribute?