SO what happened with the sixaxis?

As new games are announced we are not hearing anything being done with this feature. It seems like what was once touted as a feature is now just a bullet point. Has no real purpose, but is their to claim innovation. There were many cows who bought into this bs, but now you don't hear Sony really trying to make use of this.

So those that were very supportive of this feature and claimed its motion controls were better than the wii; what is your stance now?

It was useless to begin with, so I'm not surprised developers don't bother with it.

the 3 times its used in killzone 2 are great

I only want developers to use it where it is needed like the sniper in KZ2 or Flower and not force it in a game like Lair. Developers should only use it when there is a good opportunity, that is my stance

It was useless to begin with, so I'm not surprised developers don't bother with it.

Legendaryscmt

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

It was useless to begin with, so I'm not surprised developers don't bother with it.

sSubZerOo

God...you just made me miss the old turbo controllers.

i find it great, even though most developpers dont usually develop their games to they extent of using it, i think its a great idea for little things like the controls in flight games, the sniping final adjustements in killzone 2 etc..its pretty kool...its just that u haven't played any games with the utility of this kool feature...

After Lair no one wants to inovate with the sixaxis Lair really wasnt that bad the controls were the only problem for some people not to me.

its not a bad feature, but it would never be missed.

there are only two times where i have been impressed with the feature/ where its felt natural in the games ive played

and thats the sniper in kz2 and the grenade throwing in uncharted

The only reason it's there is cause they tacked it on copying Nintendo. Now it's withering away. Rightfully so.

Goes to show you that having tacked on features to beef up the bulletpoints for your system isn't always (if ever) a good idea.It's one of the issues I have with Sony this gen is that the PS3 seems like a bunch of tacked on ideas instead of one coherent vision.

MS has XBL? We'll have PSN.

Achievements? We'll have trophies.

Motion control? Sixaxis.

MS are losers for sticking with rumble. We'll have BETTER rumble. (but that's after we tell everyone it's obsolete)

It really annoying. They built this kickass piece of hardware but completely had no idea what features it would have aside from it being a Blu-ray player.It's precisely the reason they are having such a hard time selling it.

I heard Flower made significant and good use of motion controls. It's still a some what worth while feature. I prefer it to rumble on any account.

I remember watching my brother play Heavenly sword, it was allot easier to control with SixAxis turned off.

Where he struggled to guide arrows and rocks in SixAxis mode; it was allot more accurate just with the directional buttons.

My favorite use of the sixaxis control was in Warhawk (after they added all the customizable control settings). I love being able to fly a Warhawk with the sixaxis and have more control over the aiming with the freed up analog stick. I think developers should utilize the sixaxis more, or at least for small details, like Killzone2 and Resistance did.

Goes to show you that having tacked on features to beef up the bulletpoints for your system isn't always (if ever) a good idea.It's one of the issues I have with Sony this gen is that the PS3 seems like a bunch of tacked on ideas instead of one coherent vision.

MS has XBL? We'll have PSN.

Achievements? We'll have trophies.

Motion control? Sixaxis.

MS are losers for sticking with rumble. We'll have BETTER rumble. (but that's after we tell everyone it's obsolete)

It really annoying. They built this kickass piece of hardware but completely had no idea what features it would have aside from it being a Blu-ray player.It's precisely the reason they are having such a hard time selling it.

heretrix

PSN is not a tacked on feature. These features, with the exception of motion controls, was down to a demand for it from gamers. Sony did as was required to keep their customers happy. XBL had become very popular, and it was clear console gaming was becoming geared towards online, so Sony developed their own service and offered it at a far more competitive price, i.e. nothing. Achievements were becoming a new trend, with even Steam achivements now. It seems to be the case that Sony needed to compensate for this new trend, as for multiplatform titles it gave the 360 a sort of edge. This was their way of dealing with it. Rumble was at the demand of the gamers. These features were implemented because they didn't know how gamers would react and behave for this current generation. Trends change, and so companies must compensate. You have no real reason to be annoyed, unless you only have a 360 and are annoyed that Sony should actually attempt to rival Micrsoft this gen.

flower is pretty sweet with the sixaxis

Its still used.

Flower, SOCOM and killzone 2 all use it to different extents.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Goes to show you that having tacked on features to beef up the bulletpoints for your system isn't always (if ever) a good idea.It's one of the issues I have with Sony this gen is that the PS3 seems like a bunch of tacked on ideas instead of one coherent vision.

MS has XBL? We'll have PSN.

Achievements? We'll have trophies.

Motion control? Sixaxis.

MS are losers for sticking with rumble. We'll have BETTER rumble. (but that's after we tell everyone it's obsolete)

It really annoying. They built this kickass piece of hardware but completely had no idea what features it would have aside from it being a Blu-ray player.It's precisely the reason they are having such a hard time selling it.

Ek-Andy

PSN is not a tacked on feature. These features, with the exception of motion controls, was down to a demand for it from gamers. Sony did as was required to keep their customers happy. XBL had become very popular, and it was clear console gaming was becoming geared towards online, so Sony developed their own service and offered it at a far more competitive price, i.e. nothing. Achievements were becoming a new trend, with even Steam achivements now. It seems to be the case that Sony needed to compensate for this new trend, as for multiplatform titles it gave the 360 a sort of edge. This was their way of dealing with it. Rumble was at the demand of the gamers. These features were implemented because they didn't know how gamers would react and behave for this current generation. Trends change, and so companies must compensate. You have no real reason to be annoyed, unless you only have a 360 and are annoyed that Sony should actually attempt to rival Micrsoft this gen.

Your post is the very definition of reasons why features are tacked on. You completely made my point.

"Sony did as was required to keep their customers happy. XBL had become very popular, and it was clear console gaming was becoming geared towards online, so Sony developed their own service"

"Achievements were becoming a new trend"

"This was their way of dealing with it. Rumble was at the demand of the gamers. These features were implemented because they didn't know how gamers would react and behave for this current generation"

Basically you are saying they are reacting instead of acting. this has led to them just adding features because they were successful elsewhere. That's not what a major platform manufacturer should be doing. People should be copying THEM.

I own a PS3 and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. This is just something that bothers me about their direction (or lack of it) this gen. I consider myself abouve the sillass "If I don't have it, I'm going to hate it" mentality. I'm more than capable of buying something if it's worth it. So far I think the PS3 has been worth it, but the way the system has been handled has been extremely poor.

Sony saw the error of their ways and doesn't let montion control take over the PS3 console like the Wii? I sure as heck don't want to spend every game waving frantically with my controller(s) and pretend like I've accomplished something.

It's up to the developers to incooporate sixaxis into their games anyways.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Goes to show you that having tacked on features to beef up the bulletpoints for your system isn't always (if ever) a good idea.It's one of the issues I have with Sony this gen is that the PS3 seems like a bunch of tacked on ideas instead of one coherent vision.

MS has XBL? We'll have PSN.

Achievements? We'll have trophies.

Motion control? Sixaxis.

MS are losers for sticking with rumble. We'll have BETTER rumble. (but that's after we tell everyone it's obsolete)

It really annoying. They built this kickass piece of hardware but completely had no idea what features it would have aside from it being a Blu-ray player.It's precisely the reason they are having such a hard time selling it.

heretrix

PSN is not a tacked on feature. These features, with the exception of motion controls, was down to a demand for it from gamers. Sony did as was required to keep their customers happy. XBL had become very popular, and it was clear console gaming was becoming geared towards online, so Sony developed their own service and offered it at a far more competitive price, i.e. nothing. Achievements were becoming a new trend, with even Steam achivements now. It seems to be the case that Sony needed to compensate for this new trend, as for multiplatform titles it gave the 360 a sort of edge. This was their way of dealing with it. Rumble was at the demand of the gamers. These features were implemented because they didn't know how gamers would react and behave for this current generation. Trends change, and so companies must compensate. You have no real reason to be annoyed, unless you only have a 360 and are annoyed that Sony should actually attempt to rival Micrsoft this gen.

Your post is the very definition of reasons why features are tacked on. You completely made my point.

"Sony did as was required to keep their customers happy. XBL had become very popular, and it was clear console gaming was becoming geared towards online, so Sony developed their own service"

"Achievements were becoming a new trend"

"This was their way of dealing with it. Rumble was at the demand of the gamers. These features were implemented because they didn't know how gamers would react and behave for this current generation"

Basically you are saying they are reacting instead of acting. this has led to them just adding features because they were successful elsewhere. That's not what a major platform manufacturer should be doing. People should be copying THEM.

I own a PS3 and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. This is just something that bothers me about their direction (or lack of it) this gen. I consider myself abouve the sillass "If I don't have it, I'm going to hate it" mentality. I'm more than capable of buying something if it's worth it. So far I think the PS3 has been worth it, but the way the system has been handled has been extremely poor.

Just like Microsoft copied Miis? It's the same diffrence. The PS3 is still distinctly diffrent from the other consoles. I havn't proved your point. you said the features were "tacked on". I don't care if they were copied, they are still implemented well. Trophies work fine for me, I actually prefer not paying for online and I consider SIXAXIS superior to rumble. When you say something is tacked on you say it sucks, it's barely part of the product. I do not believe that is the case. They just hasn't been very innovative with their hardware this gen, but they did implement Blu Ray, and that was a risk that mabye didn't pay off, but it's still a new concept. Microsoft havn't exactly been perfect this gen either with all the hardware issues, and the Wii was never a great console to begin with, for us gamers it could have done alot more.

I only want developers to use it where it is needed like the sniper in KZ2 or Flower and not force it in a game like Lair. Developers should only use it when there is a good opportunity, that is my stance

EPaul

Agreed, pretty much what I was going to say

Just like Microsoft copied Miis? It's the same diffrence. The PS3 is still distinctly diffrent from the other consoles. I havn't proved your point. you said the features were "tacked on". I don't care if they were copied, they are still implemented well. Trophies work fine for me, I actually prefer not paying for online and I consider SIXAXIS superior to rumble. When you say something is tacked on you say it sucks, it's barely part of the product. I do not believe that is the case. They just hasn't been very innovative with their hardware this gen, but they did implement Blu Ray, and that was a risk that mabye didn't pay off, but it's still a new concept. Microsoft havn't exactly been perfect this gen either with all the hardware issues, and the Wii was never a great console to begin with, for us gamers it could have done alot more.

Ek-Andy

My point is just adding features to keep up with everyone else isn't helping Sony at all. You want to bring MS into this, but XBL is the main reason online gaming on consoles even exists this gen. Yes, they copied Miis, but their vision of online gaming has been extremely solid and very focused. This is evident in the fact that XBL is intergrated into EVERY SINGLE 360 title: No exceptions. And even when they add new features they are equally ubiquitous.

There isn't one innovative feature in the PS3 feature set that was realized from the inception of the device. They even ripped off the power button start on the gamepad from the 360 gamepad.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

Just like Microsoft copied Miis? It's the same diffrence. The PS3 is still distinctly diffrent from the other consoles. I havn't proved your point. you said the features were "tacked on". I don't care if they were copied, they are still implemented well. Trophies work fine for me, I actually prefer not paying for online and I consider SIXAXIS superior to rumble. When you say something is tacked on you say it sucks, it's barely part of the product. I do not believe that is the case. They just hasn't been very innovative with their hardware this gen, but they did implement Blu Ray, and that was a risk that mabye didn't pay off, but it's still a new concept. Microsoft havn't exactly been perfect this gen either with all the hardware issues, and the Wii was never a great console to begin with, for us gamers it could have done alot more.

heretrix

My point is just adding features to keep up with everyone else isn't helping Sony at all. You want to bring MS into this, but XBL is the main reason online gaming on consoles even exists this gen. Yes, they copied Miis, but their vision of online gaming has been extremely solid and very focused. This is evident in the fact that XBL is intergrated into EVERY SINGLE 360 title: No exceptions. And even when they add new features they are equally ubiquitous.

There isn't one innovative feature in the PS3 feature set that was realized from the inception of the device. They even ripped off the power button start on the gamepad from the 360 gamepad.

No it's quite simple. Tacked on means one thing and one thing only (That is, it can only mean one thing in this case. In a more literal sense it would mean something diffrent.), that it is half hearted, and that means it is highly inferior by definition. You can't use it any other way. If you meant something else you have used the wrong term. By simply stating something is tacked on, you state that it sucks. It's not that "any critisism is bad", it's that, "If I read what you say, extract the only possible logical meaning from it, and find my self disagreeing with it, then I will say so."

I don't really care who innovates what though, as long as I get to play the console with these features. It hasn't brought it down any way for me. I really don't see a problem. MS copied the Miis, and that was fine, who cares if they copied it? It's increased functionality. I'm more concerned about hardware issues and a lack of good games over who copied who, it just pales in comparison to other issues. There is really nothing to be annoyed about with this.

Goes to show you that having tacked on features to beef up the bulletpoints for your system isn't always (if ever) a good idea.It's one of the issues I have with Sony this gen is that the PS3 seems like a bunch of tacked on ideas instead of one coherent vision.

MS has XBL? We'll have PSN.

Achievements? We'll have trophies.

Motion control? Sixaxis.

MS are losers for sticking with rumble. We'll have BETTER rumble. (but that's after we tell everyone it's obsolete)

It really annoying. They built this kickass piece of hardware but completely had no idea what features it would have aside from it being a Blu-ray player.It's precisely the reason they are having such a hard time selling it.

heretrix

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

Just like Microsoft copied Miis? It's the same diffrence. The PS3 is still distinctly diffrent from the other consoles. I havn't proved your point. you said the features were "tacked on". I don't care if they were copied, they are still implemented well. Trophies work fine for me, I actually prefer not paying for online and I consider SIXAXIS superior to rumble. When you say something is tacked on you say it sucks, it's barely part of the product. I do not believe that is the case. They just hasn't been very innovative with their hardware this gen, but they did implement Blu Ray, and that was a risk that mabye didn't pay off, but it's still a new concept. Microsoft havn't exactly been perfect this gen either with all the hardware issues, and the Wii was never a great console to begin with, for us gamers it could have done alot more.

heretrix

My point is just adding features to keep up with everyone else isn't helping Sony at all. You want to bring MS into this, but XBL is the main reason online gaming on consoles even exists this gen. Yes, they copied Miis, but their vision of online gaming has been extremely solid and very focused. This is evident in the fact that XBL is intergrated into EVERY SINGLE 360 title: No exceptions. And even when they add new features they are equally ubiquitous.

There isn't one innovative feature in the PS3 feature set that was realized from the inception of the device. They even ripped off the power button start on the gamepad from the 360 gamepad.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

Just like Microsoft copied Miis? It's the same diffrence. The PS3 is still distinctly diffrent from the other consoles. I havn't proved your point. you said the features were "tacked on". I don't care if they were copied, they are still implemented well. Trophies work fine for me, I actually prefer not paying for online and I consider SIXAXIS superior to rumble. When you say something is tacked on you say it sucks, it's barely part of the product. I do not believe that is the case. They just hasn't been very innovative with their hardware this gen, but they did implement Blu Ray, and that was a risk that mabye didn't pay off, but it's still a new concept. Microsoft havn't exactly been perfect this gen either with all the hardware issues, and the Wii was never a great console to begin with, for us gamers it could have done alot more.

Ek-Andy

My point is just adding features to keep up with everyone else isn't helping Sony at all. You want to bring MS into this, but XBL is the main reason online gaming on consoles even exists this gen. Yes, they copied Miis, but their vision of online gaming has been extremely solid and very focused. This is evident in the fact that XBL is intergrated into EVERY SINGLE 360 title: No exceptions. And even when they add new features they are equally ubiquitous.

There isn't one innovative feature in the PS3 feature set that was realized from the inception of the device. They even ripped off the power button start on the gamepad from the 360 gamepad.

No it's quite simple. Tacked on means one thing and one thing only (That is, it can only mean one thing in this case. In a more literal sense it would mean something diffrent.), that it is half hearted, and that means it is highly inferior by definition. You can't use it any other way. If you meant something else you have used the wrong term. By simply stating something is tacked on, you state that it sucks. It's not that "any critisism is bad", it's that, "If I read what you say, extract the only possible logical meaning from it, and find my self disagreeing with it, then I will say so."

I don't really care who innovates what though, as long as I get to play the console with these features. It hasn't brought it down any way for me. I really don't see a problem. MS copied the Miis, and that was fine, who cares if they copied it? It's increased functionality. I'm more concerned about hardware issues and a lack of good games over who copied who, it just pales in comparison to other issues. There is really nothing to be annoyed about with this.

Don't assume to tell me what I can or cannot be annoyed by especially when I spent MY money on it. You also cannot tell me what my definition of tacked on means. If you choose to think differently or disagree that's more than fine, but get over yourself.

I prefer rumble to it, but now with the DS3 it's an added level of immersion.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

Just like Microsoft copied Miis? It's the same diffrence. The PS3 is still distinctly diffrent from the other consoles. I havn't proved your point. you said the features were "tacked on". I don't care if they were copied, they are still implemented well. Trophies work fine for me, I actually prefer not paying for online and I consider SIXAXIS superior to rumble. When you say something is tacked on you say it sucks, it's barely part of the product. I do not believe that is the case. They just hasn't been very innovative with their hardware this gen, but they did implement Blu Ray, and that was a risk that mabye didn't pay off, but it's still a new concept. Microsoft havn't exactly been perfect this gen either with all the hardware issues, and the Wii was never a great console to begin with, for us gamers it could have done alot more.

MightyMuna

My point is just adding features to keep up with everyone else isn't helping Sony at all. You want to bring MS into this, but XBL is the main reason online gaming on consoles even exists this gen. Yes, they copied Miis, but their vision of online gaming has been extremely solid and very focused. This is evident in the fact that XBL is intergrated into EVERY SINGLE 360 title: No exceptions. And even when they add new features they are equally ubiquitous.

There isn't one innovative feature in the PS3 feature set that was realized from the inception of the device. They even ripped off the power button start on the gamepad from the 360 gamepad.

A. the PSP has a power switch, not a power button. And it's a handheld not a controller, how the hell are you supposed to turn the thing on? I'm pretty sure the 360 gamepad was the first controller to have a console power button on it.

B.It wasn't my intent to show that Sony copied anything, but to show they were just adding features on the fly and had no real cioherent vision to what the PS3 was actually going to be.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Show me where I said any of those things suck. I just said they were tacked on and you gave me specific reasons as to WHY they were. You did prove my point. You are so lost in that "anycriticism is bad" nonsense that you completely has no bearing on what I actually said.

My point is just adding features to keep up with everyone else isn't helping Sony at all. You want to bring MS into this, but XBL is the main reason online gaming on consoles even exists this gen. Yes, they copied Miis, but their vision of online gaming has been extremely solid and very focused. This is evident in the fact that XBL is intergrated into EVERY SINGLE 360 title: No exceptions. And even when they add new features they are equally ubiquitous.

There isn't one innovative feature in the PS3 feature set that was realized from the inception of the device. They even ripped off the power button start on the gamepad from the 360 gamepad.

heretrix

No it's quite simple. Tacked on means one thing and one thing only (That is, it can only mean one thing in this case. In a more literal sense it would mean something diffrent.), that it is half hearted, and that means it is highly inferior by definition. You can't use it any other way. If you meant something else you have used the wrong term. By simply stating something is tacked on, you state that it sucks. It's not that "any critisism is bad", it's that, "If I read what you say, extract the only possible logical meaning from it, and find my self disagreeing with it, then I will say so."

I don't really care who innovates what though, as long as I get to play the console with these features. It hasn't brought it down any way for me. I really don't see a problem. MS copied the Miis, and that was fine, who cares if they copied it? It's increased functionality. I'm more concerned about hardware issues and a lack of good games over who copied who, it just pales in comparison to other issues. There is really nothing to be annoyed about with this.

Don't assume to tell me what I can or cannot be annoyed by especially when I spent MY money on it. You also cannot tell me what my definition of tacked on means. If you choose to think differently or disagree that's more than fine, but get over yourself.

Calm down man, this is debate. I'm not trying to insult you, this is just how I do things. But there can only be one standard definition of tacked on, and hence why your post has caused alot of confusion (See above and see me.). When people see "tacked on" that immediatly clicks to be the definition I mentioned. This is why you used the wrong term.

You can be annoyed all you want, but I don't think you should. I'm trying to argue against your point, but I can't do that if you assume the defensive "it's my opinion" stance. If you don't want to argue over this just say so, but don't try and pretend that a defensive stance is the same thing. This is my opinion too, and I feel like sharing it. This is what I use this forum for anyway. I have nothing to get over with myself, I just want to debate.

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Show me where I said any of those things suck. I just said they were tacked on and you gave me specific reasons as to WHY they were. You did prove my point. You are so lost in that "anycriticism is bad" nonsense that you completely has no bearing on what I actually said.

My point is just adding features to keep up with everyone else isn't helping Sony at all. You want to bring MS into this, but XBL is the main reason online gaming on consoles even exists this gen. Yes, they copied Miis, but their vision of online gaming has been extremely solid and very focused. This is evident in the fact that XBL is intergrated into EVERY SINGLE 360 title: No exceptions. And even when they add new features they are equally ubiquitous.

There isn't one innovative feature in the PS3 feature set that was realized from the inception of the device. They even ripped off the power button start on the gamepad from the 360 gamepad.

heretrix

A. the PSP has a power switch, not a power button. And it's a handheld not a controller, how the hell are you supposed to turn the thing on? I'm pretty sure the 360 gamepad was the first controller to have a console power button on it.

B.It wasn't my intent to show that Sony copied anything, but to show they were just adding features on the fly and had no real cioherent vision to what the PS3 was actually going to be.

It was a simply a gimmick Sony could use until vibration enabled controller would be available in use for a PS3 controller.

I think it got tacked on... all of a sudden after Nintendo announced the Wii controller and it lost its appeal after the PS3 got its rumble back

Everyone seems to forget HS and R&C:TOD had pretty decent sixaxis controls also.

Everyone seems to forget HS and R&C:TOD had pretty decent sixaxis controls also.

2beers_in_hand

Everyone seems to forget HS and R&C:TOD had pretty decent sixaxis controls also.

The only sixaxis was there in the first place was because sony was trying to contend with nintendo.

But they failed miserably so now sony have released dualshock controlers and pretty much ditched sixaxis.

i hate having to move while playing games. im glad they arent using it very often. best implementation of it so far is the use with the sniper rifle in KZ2, me keeping the control steady=steady aim.

As new games are announced we are not hearing anything being done with this feature. It seems like what was once touted as a feature is now just a bullet point. Has no real purpose, but is their to claim innovation. There were many cows who bought into this bs, but now you don't hear Sony really trying to make use of this.

So those that were very supportive of this feature and claimed its motion controls were better than the wii; what is your stance now?

too_much_eslim

Why don't you go buy a PS3 and find out.
Plenty of titles use it, but it's like the Wii, NOT Every dev cares for the philosophy of wrist mvoement.

Heavenly Sword, Ratchet, Madden, and more use it...recently, Flower and KZ2 just came out, they both use it, plenty more games do too. It looks like your lack of a PS3 has hindered your knowledge of this issue.