So what have we learned this gen?

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#1 percech
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- Releasing buggy games is ok as long as there is a patch released within a month.

- It's 2011 and AI still sucks.

- Companies have become greedier than ever before(online passes, horse armor, etc..)

- Creativity and originality is no longer necessary.

- Exclusives don't matter(PS3).

- The most sold system of this gen is a gimmicky toy for kids using the oldest hardware.

- Next gen is looking bleak for core gamers.

You can add more to it, if you'd like.

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#2 casharmy
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actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

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The weakest console sold best because it was the cheapest. I believe the PS2 was weakest last gen.

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#4 BrunoBRS
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teh hardcorz be butthurt.
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#5 mems_1224
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some of the best games ever made were released this gen. instead of looking for negatives i like to focus on the positives.
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#6 casharmy
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The weakest console sold best because it was the cheapest. I believe the PS2 was weakest last gen.

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and you would be wrong.

The weakest console last gen was the Dreamcast (also it was the cheapest retailing at $199).

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Excel in graphics to make up for weak gameplay.

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#8 dracolich55
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We have learned consoles are becoming more like gimped PCs, a trend started by Microsoft last gen.
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#9 percech
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teh hardcorz be butthurt.BrunoBRS
I'm furthest from a hardcore gamer. I've lost interest in video games for the most part. I have about 20 games from this gen and I've only finished maybe 5.
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You cannot put a slice of bologna in your ps3.

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#11 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

The weakest console sold best because it was the cheapest. I believe the PS2 was weakest last gen.

casharmy

and you would be wrong.

The weakest console last gen was the Dreamcast (also it was the cheapest retailing at $199).

dreamcast died before it even had a chance to breathe. you know which systems he is considering part of last gen when he says the PS2 is the weakest and cheapest.
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actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

casharmy

no it doesn't, and telling yourself otherwise won't change that fact, moron. :lol:

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#13 casharmy
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companies have become too focused on chasing the money and restricting originality, if one company does something that makes a lil money every other company copies it like brainless drones.

FPS has become the dominate power house gener for the HD systems.

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#14 percech
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actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

casharmy
Take a look at your system of choice, and try to accept that it's in last place. If exclusives mattered, then the PS3 should be ahead of the game by now...especially considering it has a built in blu ray player(exclusive feature).
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

percech
Take a look at your system of choice, and try to accept that it's in last place. If exclusives mattered, then the PS3 should be ahead of the game by now...especially considering it has a built in blu ray player(exclusive feature).

the exclusive wii games are what made it such a phenomenom. exclusive games and features are still what makes people choose one system over another.
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[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

BrunoBRS
Take a look at your system of choice, and try to accept that it's in last place. If exclusives mattered, then the PS3 should be ahead of the game by now...especially considering it has a built in blu ray player(exclusive feature).

the exclusive wii games are what made it such a phenomenom. exclusive games and features are still what makes people choose one system over another.

Those are all gimmick-based games. Wii-sports is a game that came with every Wii system.
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#17 Deathtransit
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Exclusives do matter. The fact that the 360 got the success it did earlier in the gen was because it had more games, and for a long time PS3 had hardly any. Also, PS3 is in 3rd, but you can be rest assured it would have sold alot less and that the (small) gap between it and the 360 would be much, much larger if the PS3 did not have games not available on the 360.
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Fanboyism sucks. And on-disc DLC, online passes and anything that limits the consumer is worse.
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#19 mems_1224
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You cannot put a slice of bologna in your ps3.

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#20 freedomfreak  Online
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

You cannot put a slice of bologna in your ps3.

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challenge accepted

rofl.be my guest.
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#21 percech
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You people are crazy. The highest sold titles this gen have been multiplats. On the PS3, it's been inflated with CoD...same goes for the 360. Sony has a much bigger game division than MS and that's the only reason the PS3 has as many exclusives as it does today.
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#22 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

KarateeeChop

no it doesn't, and telling yourself otherwise won't change that fact, moron. :lol:

I'm convinced you are a kid, you have to be. Not going to bother arguing with you, i've been gaming since atari and that is the way it has always been...it doesn't change now because of your silly fanboy defense of your favorite platform. I'm stating a fact, anyone who has gamed for more than 1 gen knows this. Its sad that your love for a corporation can make say such stupid things.

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

KarateeeChop

no it doesn't, and telling yourself otherwise won't change that fact, moron. :lol:

Exclusives do matter, if they didn't whats the point of consoles? Multiplats should be played on PC, consoles are for their exclusives and console exclusives (games only on consoles). You can thank M$ for that, back in my day there were games you could only play on PC, and games you could only play on console. They looked different, played different, they WERE different. Now its all the same sh*t. Because if there were not exclusives, consoles would just be gimped PCs.
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#24 percech
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

dracolich55

no it doesn't, and telling yourself otherwise won't change that fact, moron. :lol:

Exclusives do matter, if they didn't whats the point of consoles? Multiplats should be played on PC, consoles are for their exclusives and console exclusives (games only on consoles). You can thank M$ for that, back in my day there were games you could only play on PC, and games you could only play on console. They looked different, played different, they WERE different. Now its all the same sh*t. Because if there were not exclusives, consoles would just be gimped PCs.

Lol, consoles are for convenience and the fact that the general public are too stupid to learn how to upgrade their computers. It has nothing to do with exclusive titles, at least not anymore.
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#25 casharmy
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[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

BrunoBRS

Take a look at your system of choice, and try to accept that it's in last place. If exclusives mattered, then the PS3 should be ahead of the game by now...especially considering it has a built in blu ray player(exclusive feature).

the exclusive wii games are what made it such a phenomenom. exclusive games and features are still what makes people choose one system over another.

thx, reality check. simple and indisputable...from a logically standpointthat is.

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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

no it doesn't, and telling yourself otherwise won't change that fact, moron. :lol:

casharmy

I'm convinced you are a kid, you have to be. Not going to bother arguing with you, i've been gaming since atari and that is the way it has always been...it doesn't change now because of your silly fanboy defense of your favorite platform. I'm stating a fact, anyone who has gamed for more than 1 gen knows this.Its sad that your love for a corporation can make say such stupid things.

remember this?

Simple truth: Many people in western society are racist.

The REAL reason why people hate PS3 is because it's the black color (asian created HD) console.

Rebuttle: then why did the wii sell so well?

Answer: because it was wasn't in direct competition with "Da American" console.casharmy

saaay what? :lol:

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That gaming is getting less and less fun. I never been let down by so many games before and really wondering if I should even give next gen a shot. Sure there was a few gems but way too many crap around it

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[QUOTE="percech"] Lol, consoles are for convenience and the fact that the general public are too stupid to learn how to upgrade their computers. It has nothing to do with exclusive titles, at least not anymore.

Convenience? you want convenience? *turn on comp* *Click steam Icon All my games in one nice application. Heck, Steam is even more convenient than my consoles. I dont even have to change discs.... because there are none. And just because your too stupid to build a PC doesn't mean everyone else is.
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[QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="percech"] Lol, consoles are for convenience and the fact that the general public are too stupid to learn how to upgrade their computers. It has nothing to do with exclusive titles, at least not anymore.

Convenience? you want convenience? *turn on comp* *Click steam Icon All my games in one nice application. Heck, Steam is even more convenient than my consoles. I dont even have to change discs.... because there are none. And just because your too stupid to build a PC doesn't mean everyone else is EDIT: And ALIENWARE?!?!?! xD
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#30 percech
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[QUOTE="percech"] Lol, consoles are for convenience and the fact that the general public are too stupid to learn how to upgrade their computers. It has nothing to do with exclusive titles, at least not anymore.dracolich55
Convenience? you want convenience? *turn on comp* *Click steam Icon All my games in one nice application. Heck, Steam is even more convenient than my consoles. I dont even have to change discs.... because there are none. And just because your too stupid to build a PC doesn't mean everyone else is.

Computers are a lot more complicated. Computers always require driver updates for everything. Computers always have compatibility issues with hardware. Calling me stupid for something I already know how to do doesn't make sense. Do you really think that the general public knows how or even wants to deal with upgrading computers and deal with all the problems that come with them? Your arguments, along with your poor grammar is telling me that I shouldn't waste my time with you.

EDIT: Yes Alienware. It was a gift. Also, I did build my own computer.

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

I'm convinced you are a kid, you have to be. Not going to bother arguing with you, i've been gaming since atari and that is the way it has always been...it doesn't change now because of your silly fanboy defense of your favorite platform. I'm stating a fact, anyone who has gamed for more than 1 gen knows this.Its sad that your love for a corporation can make say such stupid things.

KarateeeChop

remember this?

Simple truth: Many people in western society are racist.

The REAL reason why people hate PS3 is because it's the black color (asian created HD) console.

Rebuttle: then why did the wii sell so well?

Answer: because it was wasn't in direct competition with "Da American" console.casharmy

saaay what? :lol:

um...yeah I remember that? Problem?

what does love for a coroporationhave to do with my comment? That fact that posters like you exist helps validate everything I say. Who doesen't know that the majority of xbox fanboys are racist/nationalist mined. it's pretty easy to spot and the xbox live community is a pretty good backer for what I've said.

I don't konw where you are trying to go with posting that...lol, how are you trying to tie that in to what I said about you? desperate

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You people are crazy. The highest sold titles this gen have been multiplats. On the PS3, it's been inflated with CoD...same goes for the 360. Sony has a much bigger game division than MS and that's the only reason the PS3 has as many exclusives as it does today.percech
So what if COD is the biggest seller? PS3 may be in 3rd, but it would be a much more distant 3rd if if it didn't have it's own games! Even lems used to clamor in the first couple years of the PS3) how teh PS3 has no games, and they knew then that more games do matter, especially in the beginning of the gen. But now, oh how their tune has changed.
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I have learned 99.9 % of PS3 owners have Bigger dong's then Xbox 360 owners I saw some medical charts and even asked my doctor he has confirmed everything.

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I learned that I really like strategy games.

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What have we learned? Some good, some bad.

Good:

Creativity has never been more prevalent, you just need to look for it.

Weaker hardware does not equal a bad system.

Motion controls can make a game truly unqiue when used properly.

Video games can be one of the best ways to tell a story.

Just because a game gets a yearly release doesn't mean it's the same every year. (Assassin's creed.) There can still be many innovations.

Taking beloved franchises to new and unexplored areas can be a big payoff.

Resurrecting previously "dead" Ip's can also pay off.

Not all licensed games have to suck. (Batman.)

The ways to make a unique RPG are many and awesome.

Not all FPS's are the same.

Indie games can be great.

Now for the bad:

Make a game with guns, lots of swearing and violence, plus annual releases, and you have one of the biggest money making formulas in history.

And, unfortunatley, little will change between installments, and will spawn many clones that do little to distinguish themselves.

Sometimes new ideas =/= good ideas.

Letting twelve year olds play Mrated games online is a really, really, really, really bad idea.

Beleive it or not, there is such a thing as genre fatigue.

People will use inferior hardware to instantly write off a system.

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[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="percech"] Lol, consoles are for convenience and the fact that the general public are too stupid to learn how to upgrade their computers. It has nothing to do with exclusive titles, at least not anymore.

Convenience? you want convenience? *turn on comp* *Click steam Icon All my games in one nice application. Heck, Steam is even more convenient than my consoles. I dont even have to change discs.... because there are none. And just because your too stupid to build a PC doesn't mean everyone else is.

Computers are a lot more complicated. Computers always require driver updates for everything. Computers always have compatibility issues with hardware. Calling me stupid for something I already know how to do doesn't make sense. Do you really think that the general public knows how or even wants to deal with upgrading computers and deal with all the problems that come with them? Your arguments, along with your poor grammar is telling me that I shouldn't waste my time with you.

Color me surprised....Really? Drivers? Really? You must have a really short attention span if you cant go on your providers site for 3 MINUTES and install the necessary drivers..... and compatibility issues? Herp Derp? Wasnt the PS3 version of Skyrim broken? Didn't Deus Ex on the 360 have 1 minute loading times even after installing to the hard drive? The funny part is, at least there are SOLUTIONS on the PC while on the consoles you would have to wait for a patch, which might not even come.
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#37 percech
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[QUOTE="percech"]You people are crazy. The highest sold titles this gen have been multiplats. On the PS3, it's been inflated with CoD...same goes for the 360. Sony has a much bigger game division than MS and that's the only reason the PS3 has as many exclusives as it does today.Deathtransit
So what if COD is the biggest seller? PS3 may be in 3rd, but it would be a much more distant 3rd if if it didn't have it's own games! Even lems used to clamor in the first couple years of the PS3) how teh PS3 has no games, and they knew then that more games do matter, especially in the beginning of the gen. But now, oh how their tune has changed.

I am not a lem, so I don't care about that argument. You still can't dispute the fact that the highest sellers for the 2 consoles have been multiplats.
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

I'm convinced you are a kid, you have to be. Not going to bother arguing with you, i've been gaming since atari and that is the way it has always been...it doesn't change now because of your silly fanboy defense of your favorite platform. I'm stating a fact, anyone who has gamed for more than 1 gen knows this.Its sad that your love for a corporation can make say such stupid things.

KarateeeChop

remember this?

Simple truth: Many people in western society are racist.

The REAL reason why people hate PS3 is because it's the black color (asian created HD) console.

Rebuttle: then why did the wii sell so well?

Answer: because it was wasn't in direct competition with "Da American" console.casharmy

saaay what? :lol:

Is this Casharmy guy stupid or is he just trolling? :?

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I learned that sales are indicative of quality, and exclusives don't matter unless they're on the 360.

Ain't that right, TC? ;)

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#40 percech
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I learned that sales are indicative of quality, and exclusives don't matter unless they're on the 360.

Ain't that right, TC? ;)

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#41 dracolich55
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I learned that sales are indicative of quality, and exclusives don't matter unless they're on the 360.

Ain't that right, TC? ;)

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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

remember this?

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Simple truth: Many people in western society are racist.

The REAL reason why people hate PS3 is because it's the black color (asian created HD) console.

Rebuttle: then why did the wii sell so well?

Answer: because it was wasn't in direct competition with "Da American" console.casharmy

saaay what? :lol:

um...yeah I remember that? Problem?

what does love for a coroporationhave to do with my comment? That fact that posters like you exist helps validate everything I say. Who doesen't know that the majority of xbox fanboys are racist/nationalist mined. it's pretty easy to spot and the xbox live community is a pretty good backer for what I've said.

I don't konw where you are trying to go with posting that...lol, how are you trying to tie that in to what I said about you? desperate

consider yourself sig'ed. :lol: you're on a roll with the stupid tonight.

but i guess i shouldn't say tonight; you've already been sig'ed by quite a few users with comments like that before :lol:

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#43 Deathtransit
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[QUOTE="Deathtransit"][QUOTE="percech"]You people are crazy. The highest sold titles this gen have been multiplats. On the PS3, it's been inflated with CoD...same goes for the 360. Sony has a much bigger game division than MS and that's the only reason the PS3 has as many exclusives as it does today.percech
So what if COD is the biggest seller? PS3 may be in 3rd, but it would be a much more distant 3rd if if it didn't have it's own games! Even lems used to clamor in the first couple years of the PS3) how teh PS3 has no games, and they knew then that more games do matter, especially in the beginning of the gen. But now, oh how their tune has changed.

I am not a lem, so I don't care about that argument. You still can't dispute the fact that the highest sellers for the 2 consoles have been multiplats.

Way to gloss over everything I've said in the past two pages. Yes, multiplats sell more (some do at least), but that doesn't negate the points I've already made.
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#44 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="percech"] Take a look at your system of choice, and try to accept that it's in last place. If exclusives mattered, then the PS3 should be ahead of the game by now...especially considering it has a built in blu ray player(exclusive feature).

the exclusive wii games are what made it such a phenomenom. exclusive games and features are still what makes people choose one system over another.

Those are all gimmick-based games. Wii-sports is a game that came with every Wii system.

gimmicks are what you call it. improvements are what i call it. money is what nintendo calls it. at one point there were more sold copies of wii fit than units of the other systems.
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actually, you had some good points up until that exclusives don't matter BS (that's you lemming pride coming out) exclusvies have always mattered and always will as long as there are more than one gaming platform avalible on the market.

Other than that I would say good job.

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In the real world, they don't matter. The best selling games are multiplat right now. Seems multiplats are being rated better and winning more GOTY awards also, as well as being the most played games on either system. Look at CoD. Hell, I bought my 360 for CoD4 which is a multiplat. While exclusives could matter in the grand scheme of what system to purchase, I know far too many people that bought 360s for CoD as opposed to an exclusive game. If I knew anyone that had a PS3, I'm sure it would be the same scenario.
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#46 casharmy
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

remember this?

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Simple truth: Many people in western society are racist.

The REAL reason why people hate PS3 is because it's the black color (asian created HD) console.

Rebuttle: then why did the wii sell so well?

Answer: because it was wasn't in direct competition with "Da American" console.Blue_Nishin

saaay what? :lol:

Is this Casharmy guy stupid or is he just trolling? :?

more alt accounts? man get a life agreeing with youself is just pathetic. You lemmings are a waste of time

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[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"] So what if COD is the biggest seller? PS3 may be in 3rd, but it would be a much more distant 3rd if if it didn't have it's own games! Even lems used to clamor in the first couple years of the PS3) how teh PS3 has no games, and they knew then that more games do matter, especially in the beginning of the gen. But now, oh how their tune has changed.Deathtransit
I am not a lem, so I don't care about that argument. You still can't dispute the fact that the highest sellers for the 2 consoles have been multiplats.

Way to gloss over everything I've said in the past two pages. Yes, multiplats sell more (some do at least), but that doesn't negate the points I've already made.

That's because you haven't said anything. Just look at all the failed experiments(Sony exclusives). They fail to move systems and fail to sell. I don't expect Sony to take the same route as they did with the PS3.
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You people are crazy. The highest sold titles this gen have been multiplats. On the PS3, it's been inflated with CoD...same goes for the 360. Sony has a much bigger game division than MS and that's the only reason the PS3 has as many exclusives as it does today.percech
well no sh!t sherlock, they sell on double the systems.

save for the CoD craze, can you tell me a multiplat that sold more than, say, wii fit?

inb4 bubububuit'sgimmicky.

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we've learned that developers will rush games onto the market hoping to patch them later & we've learned milking franchises has reached new lows
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square enix hates the "core" final fantasy fans.... thats what i learned.