So, when will Metal Gear Solid 5 announced?

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

It didn't garner love from the core fans though. And we didn't swallow the crap they tried to feed us.

MGS4 pretty much killed every MGS message board on the net. Guys I've been talking to online for over a decade disappeared. There was an initial shock, then disgust, then everyone just moved on.

Most of the people you hear going on about how great MGS4 is either just got into the series with MGS4, or only played the old games once or twice at their release times and forgot what actually happened.

Lionhart tried warning all the fans and we didnt listen lol.

sandbox3d

Why? is it just because Snake dies? Or are there some serious plot holes? or both? I have only beaten 1 and 4 btw.

I'd say you should play the others some time and form your own opinion. You may not see it like I do.

But the game really ruined many characters, brought back others for no reason, retconed tons of major plot points and tried writing off to many things in an absurd manner. It left a lot to be desired. Many things that fans were accustomed to were either dumbed down or altogether left out.

You should really run through MGS2 and MGS3 if you get the chance though. Brilliant games.

hmmm. Well I thought is it was great, But I guess I need to play through the second and third. Only Way I'll be able to that is on the 3ds MGS 3 remake or if Konami releases An Metal Gear solid collection for the ps3 (I have my fingers crossed.)

Also Kojima is meant to be working on a taboo game that could get him kicked out of the industry

spookykid143

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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Why? is it just because Snake dies? Or are there some serious plot holes? or both? I have only beaten 1 and 4 btw.

theuncharted34

I'd say you should play the others some time and form your own opinion. You may not see it like I do.

But the game really ruined many characters, brought back others for no reason, retconed tons of major plot points and tried writing off to many things in an absurd manner. It left a lot to be desired. Many things that fans were accustomed to were either dumbed down or altogether left out.

You should really run through MGS2 and MGS3 if you get the chance though. Brilliant games.

hmmm. Well I thought is it was great, But I guess I need to play through the second and third. Only Way I'll be able to that is on the 3ds MGS 3 remake or if Konami releases An Metal Gear solid collection for the ps3 (I have my fingers crossed.)

Some Sony rep mentioned something about FF and MGS re-releases on the way for PSN. Hopefully its true! :)

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

I'd say you should play the others some time and form your own opinion. You may not see it like I do.

But the game really ruined many characters, brought back others for no reason, retconed tons of major plot points and tried writing off to many things in an absurd manner. It left a lot to be desired. Many things that fans were accustomed to were either dumbed down or altogether left out.

You should really run through MGS2 and MGS3 if you get the chance though. Brilliant games.

sandbox3d

hmmm. Well I thought is it was great, But I guess I need to play through the second and third. Only Way I'll be able to that is on the 3ds MGS 3 remake or if Konami releases An Metal Gear solid collection for the ps3 (I have my fingers crossed.)

Some Sony rep mentioned something about FF and MGS re-releases on the way for PSN. Hopefully its true! :)

yes let's hope so :D

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]4 didnt really wrap anything up though. :?sandbox3d

Big Boss was already wrapped up back in the 8 bit days, so there was need for what they did at the end. Vamp wrapped up? The Patriots? Ocelot/Liquid? If you really believe that stuff was wrapped up then I suggest another play through of MGS/MGS2 (especially MGS2).

MGS4 largely ignored the previous games in the series and simply went for an abrubt meaningless ending. Unless we are to ignore MG/MG2 and MGS1, 2 and to a lesser extent 3, then there is still much that has not been explained.

Maybe I should blame myself for thinking the way I do about the series, but many others do agree, trust me.

If you are an MGS fan that just casually plays the games in passing, like you played each game once, or twice and dont really know the story and all the details, then I could see how you might think the series had a real conclusion with MGS4. But otherwise...

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"] What didn't it wrap up? Patriots, Ocelot, Big Boss, Snake, Naomi, Vamp. All gone. It pretty much wrapped everything up. There's not too many loose ends floating around now.antifanboyftw

Big Boss was already wrapped up back in the 8 bit days, so there was need for what they did at the end. Vamp wrapped up? The Patriots? Ocelot/Liquid? If you really believe that stuff was wrapped up then I suggest another play through of MGS/MGS2 (especially MGS2).

MGS4 largely ignored the previous games in the series and simply went for an abrubt meaningless ending. Unless we are to ignore MG/MG2 and MGS1, 2 and to a lesser extent 3, then there is still much that has not been explained.

Maybe I should blame myself for thinking the way I do about the series, but many others do agree, trust me.

If you are an MGS fan that just casually plays the games in passing, like you played each game once, or twice and dont really know the story and all the details, then I could see how you might think the series had a real conclusion with MGS4. But otherwise...

No need to pull the "you dont understand" card here. I've been hearing other MGS elitists say that to people since MGS2. Its annoying.

I paid attention. Maybe too much attention which is why I find the game to be a let down in many ways.

Vamp explained? His immortality maybe. Unfortunately Nanos don't explain running on water, or up the side of the Big Shell at super human speeds. Nanos dont explain an extreme thirst for blood. Nanos don't explain Vamp swimming through ultra low buoyancy fluids. Nanos don't explain the ability to read body movement so quickly that you can dodge bullets from the most elite of soldiers. Nanos don't explain being able to stab a persons shadow and stop them in place....

The Patriots? The twelve wise men? The person funding Philanthropy? No real explanation. Kojima just tried to make the support team from MGS3 into the Patriots with little thought. Sure Kojima We'll believe Sigint is the Darpa chief even though there is no way in hell the ages line up. We'll believe Zero cared for the Boss' will as much as Big Boss did even though he obviously did not throughout MGS3. Sure we'll believe that the FEMALE paramedic is in fact the MALE Dr. Clark even though Dr.Clarcks experiments are against every moral fiber that paramedic stands for.

Liquid? Ok Kojima... We'll just ignore obviously grafted arm from MGS2. We'll just ignore Liquids memories and voice in MGS2. We'll just ignore the fact that when using the Dmic you can here multiple heart beats. We'll ignore all that and accept the quick change to the arm being metallic. It was nanos and hypnosis all along!

Maybe it is YOU who should replay the entire series and, pay attention and take notes my friend.

And these are just the points YOU decided to bring up. There are many, many, many, MANY things that MGS4 pretends never happened.

[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Big Boss was already wrapped up back in the 8 bit days, so there was need for what they did at the end. Vamp wrapped up? The Patriots? Ocelot/Liquid? If you really believe that stuff was wrapped up then I suggest another play through of MGS/MGS2 (especially MGS2).

MGS4 largely ignored the previous games in the series and simply went for an abrubt meaningless ending. Unless we are to ignore MG/MG2 and MGS1, 2 and to a lesser extent 3, then there is still much that has not been explained.

Maybe I should blame myself for thinking the way I do about the series, but many others do agree, trust me.

If you are an MGS fan that just casually plays the games in passing, like you played each game once, or twice and dont really know the story and all the details, then I could see how you might think the series had a real conclusion with MGS4. But otherwise...

sandbox3d

No need to pull the "you dont understand" card here. I've been hearing other MGS elitists say that to people since MGS2. Its annoying.

I paid attention. Maybe too much attention which is why I find the game to be a let down in many ways.

Vamp explained? His immortality maybe. Unfortunately Nanos don't explain running on water, or up the side of the Big Shell at super human speeds. Nanos dont explain an extreme thirst for blood. Nanos don't explain Vamp swimming through ultra low buoyancy fluids. Nanos don't explain the ability to read body movement so quickly that you can dodge bullets from the most elite of soldiers. Nanos don't explain being able to stab a persons shadow and stop them in place....

The Patriots? The twelve wise men? The person funding Philanthropy? No real explanation. Kojima just tried to make the support team from MGS3 into the Patriots with little thought. Sure Kojima We'll believe Sigint is the Darpa chief even though there is no way in hell the ages line up. We'll believe Zero cared for the Boss' will as much as Big Boss did even though he obviously did not throughout MGS3. Sure we'll believe that the FEMALE paramedic is in fact the MALE Dr. Clark even though Dr.Clarcks experiments are against every moral fiber that paramedic stands for.

Liquid? Ok Kojima... We'll just ignore obviously grafted arm from MGS2. We'll just ignore Liquids memories and voice in MGS2. We'll just ignore the fact that when using the Dmic you can here multiple heart beats. We'll ignore all that and accept the quick change to the arm being metallic. It was nanos and hypnosis all along!

Maybe it is YOU who should replay the entire series and, pay attention and take notes my friend.

And these are just the points YOU decided to bring up. There are many, many, many, MANY things that MGS4 pretends never happened.

Come on dude, why are you trying to make sense of a vampire like guy in a video game? How can Snake survive being shot so many times! Explain!? How can (forgot his name, from MGS3) control electricity!? Or the Bee guy! Explain!?

You're just being picky with that.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"] true about Big Boss. That was just something for the fans. Didn't make a plot hole because it was all explained in great detail. Vamp, the Patriots, and Ocelot/Liquid. It explained it all. Who the patriots really were, why and how Vamp was "immortal", and how "Liquid" was able to take over Ocelot. Did you seriously play MGS4? It wasn't THAT confusing to understand. Pay some more attention on the next playthrough. Maybe even turn on the subtitles or take some notes. It all makes sense.Chutebox

No need to pull the "you dont understand" card here. I've been hearing other MGS elitists say that to people since MGS2. Its annoying.

I paid attention. Maybe too much attention which is why I find the game to be a let down in many ways.

Vamp explained? His immortality maybe. Unfortunately Nanos don't explain running on water, or up the side of the Big Shell at super human speeds. Nanos dont explain an extreme thirst for blood. Nanos don't explain Vamp swimming through ultra low buoyancy fluids. Nanos don't explain the ability to read body movement so quickly that you can dodge bullets from the most elite of soldiers. Nanos don't explain being able to stab a persons shadow and stop them in place....

The Patriots? The twelve wise men? The person funding Philanthropy? No real explanation. Kojima just tried to make the support team from MGS3 into the Patriots with little thought. Sure Kojima We'll believe Sigint is the Darpa chief even though there is no way in hell the ages line up. We'll believe Zero cared for the Boss' will as much as Big Boss did even though he obviously did not throughout MGS3. Sure we'll believe that the FEMALE paramedic is in fact the MALE Dr. Clark even though Dr.Clarcks experiments are against every moral fiber that paramedic stands for.

Liquid? Ok Kojima... We'll just ignore obviously grafted arm from MGS2. We'll just ignore Liquids memories and voice in MGS2. We'll just ignore the fact that when using the Dmic you can here multiple heart beats. We'll ignore all that and accept the quick change to the arm being metallic. It was nanos and hypnosis all along!

Maybe it is YOU who should replay the entire series and, pay attention and take notes my friend.

And these are just the points YOU decided to bring up. There are many, many, many, MANY things that MGS4 pretends never happened.

Come on dude, why are you trying to make sense of a vampire like guy in a video game? How can Snake survive being shot so many times! Explain!? How can (forgot his name, from MGS3) control electricity!? Or the Bee guy! Explain!?

You're just being picky with that.

I understand its just a game. But people are trying to act as if everything was wrapped up in some beautiful manner when it wasnt. This is not nit picking. These are some of the major things that fans have wondered about for years.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

No need to pull the "you dont understand" card here. I've been hearing other MGS elitists say that to people since MGS2. Its annoying.

I paid attention. Maybe too much attention which is why I find the game to be a let down in many ways.

Vamp explained? His immortality maybe. Unfortunately Nanos don't explain running on water, or up the side of the Big Shell at super human speeds. Nanos dont explain an extreme thirst for blood. Nanos don't explain Vamp swimming through ultra low buoyancy fluids. Nanos don't explain the ability to read body movement so quickly that you can dodge bullets from the most elite of soldiers. Nanos don't explain being able to stab a persons shadow and stop them in place....

The Patriots? The twelve wise men? The person funding Philanthropy? No real explanation. Kojima just tried to make the support team from MGS3 into the Patriots with little thought. Sure Kojima We'll believe Sigint is the Darpa chief even though there is no way in hell the ages line up. We'll believe Zero cared for the Boss' will as much as Big Boss did even though he obviously did not throughout MGS3. Sure we'll believe that the FEMALE paramedic is in fact the MALE Dr. Clark even though Dr.Clarcks experiments are against every moral fiber that paramedic stands for.

Liquid? Ok Kojima... We'll just ignore obviously grafted arm from MGS2. We'll just ignore Liquids memories and voice in MGS2. We'll just ignore the fact that when using the Dmic you can here multiple heart beats. We'll ignore all that and accept the quick change to the arm being metallic. It was nanos and hypnosis all along!

Maybe it is YOU who should replay the entire series and, pay attention and take notes my friend.

And these are just the points YOU decided to bring up. There are many, many, many, MANY things that MGS4 pretends never happened.

sandbox3d

Come on dude, why are you trying to make sense of a vampire like guy in a video game? How can Snake survive being shot so many times! Explain!? How can (forgot his name, from MGS3) control electricity!? Or the Bee guy! Explain!?

You're just being picky with that.

I understand its just a game. But people are trying to act as if everything was wrapped up in some beautiful manner when it wasnt. This is not nit picking. These are some of the major things that fans have wondered about for years.

It won't the story is done, Kojima needs to make Zone of the Enders 3.

spookykid143

Hey, I understand. But Vamp was a major player in MGS2, not just the standard boss guy. Major enough to bring back in MGS4 as one of LO's major henchman. Major enough for Kojima to make some drawn out death scene explaining his immortality. All throughout development one of the major bullet points was MGS4 answers all the questions. Well, when you take a major villian from the series, carry him over to your last game and try to sum up his powas as being nanos it falls a little short.

Of course fans know the real deal. MGS2 was originally supposed to have a boss character called Old Boy. He had a tattoo that only had to contact water for his revival. That of course was carried over to Vamp once old boy was pulled from the game. If you play MGS2 you will notice that every time Vamp is "killed" he comes in contact with water afterwards. Even the scene where Fortune deflects the bullet that head shots him. She cradles him in her arms and as soon as the first tear hits his skin he comes back. Same for the Emma scene and the boss fight as well.

Vamp was a mysterious character and had no need for explanation. There have been supernatural characters and events in MGS (even hidden ghosts in picture mode) and Vamp would have fit the supernatural bill just fine.

But if you're gonna try to boil it down to science and nanos, then you should probably do a better job dont you think?

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

It won't the story is done, Kojima needs to make Zone of the Enders 3.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

It won't the story is done, Kojima needs to make Zone of the Enders 3.

Chutebox

Hey, I understand. But Vamp was a major player in MGS2, not just the standard boss guy. Major enough to bring back in MGS4 as one of LO's major henchman. Major enough for Kojima to make some drawn out death scene explaining his immortality. All throughout development one of the major bullet points was MGS4 answers all the questions. Well, when you take a major villian from the series, carry him over to your last game and try to sum up his powas as being nanos it falls a little short.

Of course fans know the real deal. MGS2 was originally supposed to have a boss character called Old Boy. He had a tattoo that only had to contact water for his revival. That of course was carried over to Vamp once old boy was pulled from the game. If you play MGS2 you will notice that every time Vamp is "killed" he comes in contact with water afterwards. Even the scene where Fortune deflects the bullet that head shots him. She cradles him in her arms and as soon as the first tear hits his skin he comes back. Same for the Emma scene and the boss fight as well.

Vamp was a mysterious character and had no need for explanation. There have been supernatural characters and events in MGS (even hidden ghosts in picture mode) and Vamp would have fit the supernatural bill just fine.

But if you're gonna try to boil it down to science and nanos, then you should probably do a better job dont you think?

sandbox3d

Hey, I understand. But Vamp was a major player in MGS2, not just the standard boss guy. Major enough to bring back in MGS4 as one of LO's major henchman. Major enough for Kojima to make some drawn out death scene explaining his immortality. All throughout development one of the major bullet points was MGS4 answers all the questions. Well, when you take a major villian from the series, carry him over to your last game and try to sum up his powas as being nanos it falls a little short.

Of course fans know the real deal. MGS2 was originally supposed to have a boss character called Old Boy. He had a tattoo that only had to contact water for his revival. That of course was carried over to Vamp once old boy was pulled from the game. If you play MGS2 you will notice that every time Vamp is "killed" he comes in contact with water afterwards. Even the scene where Fortune deflects the bullet that head shots him. She cradles him in her arms and as soon as the first tear hits his skin he comes back. Same for the Emma scene and the boss fight as well.

Vamp was a mysterious character and had no need for explanation. There have been supernatural characters and events in MGS (even hidden ghosts in picture mode) and Vamp would have fit the supernatural bill just fine.

But if you're gonna try to boil it down to science and nanos, then you should probably do a better job dont you think?

sandbox3d

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Hey, I understand. But Vamp was a major player in MGS2, not just the standard boss guy. Major enough to bring back in MGS4 as one of LO's major henchman. Major enough for Kojima to make some drawn out death scene explaining his immortality. All throughout development one of the major bullet points was MGS4 answers all the questions. Well, when you take a major villian from the series, carry him over to your last game and try to sum up his powas as being nanos it falls a little short.

Of course fans know the real deal. MGS2 was originally supposed to have a boss character called Old Boy. He had a tattoo that only had to contact water for his revival. That of course was carried over to Vamp once old boy was pulled from the game. If you play MGS2 you will notice that every time Vamp is "killed" he comes in contact with water afterwards. Even the scene where Fortune deflects the bullet that head shots him. She cradles him in her arms and as soon as the first tear hits his skin he comes back. Same for the Emma scene and the boss fight as well.

Vamp was a mysterious character and had no need for explanation. There have been supernatural characters and events in MGS (even hidden ghosts in picture mode) and Vamp would have fit the supernatural bill just fine.

But if you're gonna try to boil it down to science and nanos, then you should probably do a better job dont you think?

Wiimotefan

lol sorry dude. You have your Trekies, your Star Wars fanatics, LotR fanboys and then you have guys like me. MGS nerds. :P

If you think I'm bad you should have seen some of the old Gfaqs board vets. Guys like OnslaughtX, Lionhart627, MajinSweet, GreatSages, GrantDempsey, ACblaze/ACkid, Klimtog, etc... (cant remember all of them). These guys used to put together the most ridiculously comprehensive MGS info guides and threads. Everything you could possibly ever want to know about anything in the series. Pages of info on character background I never new existed.

These goes could directly quote from script, be it a major event or completely random hidden codec convo. Awesome and sad at the time!

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Hey, I understand. But Vamp was a major player in MGS2, not just the standard boss guy. Major enough to bring back in MGS4 as one of LO's major henchman. Major enough for Kojima to make some drawn out death scene explaining his immortality. All throughout development one of the major bullet points was MGS4 answers all the questions. Well, when you take a major villian from the series, carry him over to your last game and try to sum up his powas as being nanos it falls a little short.

Of course fans know the real deal. MGS2 was originally supposed to have a boss character called Old Boy. He had a tattoo that only had to contact water for his revival. That of course was carried over to Vamp once old boy was pulled from the game. If you play MGS2 you will notice that every time Vamp is "killed" he comes in contact with water afterwards. Even the scene where Fortune deflects the bullet that head shots him. She cradles him in her arms and as soon as the first tear hits his skin he comes back. Same for the Emma scene and the boss fight as well.

Vamp was a mysterious character and had no need for explanation. There have been supernatural characters and events in MGS (even hidden ghosts in picture mode) and Vamp would have fit the supernatural bill just fine.

But if you're gonna try to boil it down to science and nanos, then you should probably do a better job dont you think?

jasonharris48

Heh. When I started posting in this thread I was wondering were you were at. :D

It seems like you and about 2 or 3 other system warriors are the only ones that see the series the way I do.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Hey, I understand. But Vamp was a major player in MGS2, not just the standard boss guy. Major enough to bring back in MGS4 as one of LO's major henchman. Major enough for Kojima to make some drawn out death scene explaining his immortality. All throughout development one of the major bullet points was MGS4 answers all the questions. Well, when you take a major villian from the series, carry him over to your last game and try to sum up his powas as being nanos it falls a little short.

Of course fans know the real deal. MGS2 was originally supposed to have a boss character called Old Boy. He had a tattoo that only had to contact water for his revival. That of course was carried over to Vamp once old boy was pulled from the game. If you play MGS2 you will notice that every time Vamp is "killed" he comes in contact with water afterwards. Even the scene where Fortune deflects the bullet that head shots him. She cradles him in her arms and as soon as the first tear hits his skin he comes back. Same for the Emma scene and the boss fight as well.

Vamp was a mysterious character and had no need for explanation. There have been supernatural characters and events in MGS (even hidden ghosts in picture mode) and Vamp would have fit the supernatural bill just fine.

But if you're gonna try to boil it down to science and nanos, then you should probably do a better job dont you think?

sandbox3d

lol sorry dude. You have your Trekies, your Star Wars fanatics, LotR fanboys and then you have guys like me. MGS nerds. :P

If you think I'm bad you should have seen some of the old Gfaqs board vets. Guys like OnslaughtX, Lionhart627, MajinSweet, GreatSages, GrantDempsey, ACblaze/ACkid, Klimtog, etc... (cant remember all of them). These guys used to put together the most ridiculously comprehensive MGS info guides and threads. Everything you could possibly ever want to know about anything in the series. Pages of info on character background I never new existed.

These goes could directly quote from script, be it a major event or completely random hidden codec convo. Awesome and sad at the time!

jesus completely forgot about that username, wonder what ever happened to the dude..was it just MGS4? Back to the point, MGS5 will come the equivalent of a sequel/prequel whether or not it's on a current/next gen console the IP is too valuable to Konami. Whether or not it's made by Kojima himself, only god knows but it's going to come, it might not be called MGS5 but something close will come.

inb4 Metal Gear Solid 5 is going to be the last one

Maybe not MGS5, but MGS Reboot. Likely.

Hey, I understand. But Vamp was a major player in MGS2, not just the standard boss guy. Major enough to bring back in MGS4 as one of LO's major henchman. Major enough for Kojima to make some drawn out death scene explaining his immortality. All throughout development one of the major bullet points was MGS4 answers all the questions. Well, when you take a major villian from the series, carry him over to your last game and try to sum up his powas as being nanos it falls a little short.

Of course fans know the real deal. MGS2 was originally supposed to have a boss character called Old Boy. He had a tattoo that only had to contact water for his revival. That of course was carried over to Vamp once old boy was pulled from the game. If you play MGS2 you will notice that every time Vamp is "killed" he comes in contact with water afterwards. Even the scene where Fortune deflects the bullet that head shots him. She cradles him in her arms and as soon as the first tear hits his skin he comes back. Same for the Emma scene and the boss fight as well.

Vamp was a mysterious character and had no need for explanation. There have been supernatural characters and events in MGS (even hidden ghosts in picture mode) and Vamp would have fit the supernatural bill just fine.

But if you're gonna try to boil it down to science and nanos, then you should probably do a better job dont you think?

sandbox3d

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]MGS is done man. 4 is the end. Everything is a spinoff from here on out unless it involves Big Boss.sandbox3d

4 didnt really wrap anything up though. :?

It was more like a crappy alternate universe that doesn't mesh up with the rest of the series at all. Kojima could come out and say MGS4 was just a dream Snake had and it would make more sense. Then release a non crappy version of MGS4. That would be sooo awesome!

Solid Snake's story is done and done. Not much was left open.

I think a new story arc would just serve to convolute the universe of Metal Gear even more.