So, who's working hardest for us gamers?

Out of the big 3 who do you guys think are working hardest to cater to what the gamers (us) actually want?

My thoughts:

Sony - PS3 price is too expensive, but the lineup does suggest Sony know what gamers want. New IPs such as Uncharted, Lair, and Heavenly Sword all look very interesting. I'd say Sony is working hard, but they can do better, starting by lowering the price of the PS3.

Microsoft - Elite is really unnecessary, and could have been available at launch. 3 SKUs in the market isn't exactly a bright idea. Game wise, MS are catering to what the fans want: Halo 3, Mass Effect and Bioshock are all impressive looking games. Securing GTAIV day one shows MS is working hard too. MS needs to do big things in 2008 to compete with the PS3 though, we'll see what MS has planned at E3.

Nintendo - Could make the Wii price cheaper. Yeah, I know there's nothing in it for them considering how well it's selling but it's overpriced for what it's offering atm. Nintendo also needs to prove that they're trying to reel in the big 3rd party titles, we'll see what happens at E3/TGS.

What do you guys think? Who's working hardest for us and what can the companies do better to please us?

its not for US its for the MONEYonewiththegame

That's not what I asked.

Obviously Sony/MS/Nintendo are in it for money. That's what businesses want.

I asked who's working hardest to please us gamers. And it should be about us, as well as the money.

IMO, Nintendo and MS. Sony seems to be just trying to market their blue ray format rather than give us a gaming console.Sonick54

IMO, Nintendo and MS. Sony seems to be just trying to market their blue ray format rather than give us a gaming console.Sonick54

They got the media format right twice, and Blu-ray could be big in the future, so it isn't necessarily a bad thing. The only thing I don't like about Blu-ray is the fact that it's bumped up the PS3 price so much.

[QUOTE="Sonick54"]IMO, Nintendo and MS. Sony seems to be just trying to market their blue ray format rather than give us a gaming console.the-very-best

They got the media format right twice, and Blu-ray could be big in the future, so it isn't necessarily a bad thing. The only thing I don't like about Blu-ray is the fact that it's bumped up the PS3 price so much.

True. But still, it's what's costing them to be outsold and lose exclusives this gen. Let's see if that will turn around.

Also, can you accept my union charter request? :P

They work hard for the money, so very hard for the money!!! Hermitkermit

So you better treat them right!

True. But still, it's what's costing them to be outsold and lose exclusives this gen. Let's see if that will turn around.

Also, can you accept my union charter request? :P

Sonick54

Outsold because of the price I think. And lost exclusives primarily because the 360 came out a year before the competition.

To be honest I don't see the PS3 really kicking off till 2008, and I think most will realise at that time that's its a good console, but the fact remains the PS3 price is too expensive.

And I totally forgot about the union request! Sorry bout that, I'll accept it now. :) Sounds great.

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True. But still, it's what's costing them to be outsold and lose exclusives this gen. Let's see if that will turn around.

Also, can you accept my union charter request? :P

the-very-best

Outsold because of the price I think. And lost exclusives primarily because the 360 came out a year before the competition.

To be honest I don't see the PS3 really kicking off till 2008, and I think most will realise at that time that's its a good console, but the fact remains the PS3 price is too expensive.

And I totally forgot about the union request! Sorry bout that, I'll accept it now. :) Sounds great.

Price is a factor. But i believe the lack of big named games like FF13 or MGS4 are an issue to. By the time they are released, it might be too late unfortunately.

Also, thanks for accepting :)

Price is a factor. But i believe the lack of big named games like FF13 or MGS4 are an issue to. By the time they are released, it might be too late unfortunately.

Sonick54

I dunno. I mean, PS2 didn't really boom in sales till 2 years after launch when a) PS1 owners were ready to make the transfer, and b) PS2 price and games were good.

I think PS3 will have a lower price and better games in 2008, so I can see many PS2 owners making the transfer. I know Wii is selling like crazy, but the big entries in huge franchises (FF, GT, GTA, MGS, Burnout, RE) are landing on the PS3 so I can see it taking off in sales.

That's if Sony lowers the price though, which they should, and I think they will.

hmmm... Ninty has like 148 games in dev, and I like to think they're working on new firmware like channels and such. The DS browser is available now so they aren't slouching around.

MS, meh. They are doing a lot of neat stuff, but I feel it's just stuff that's been available on PCs for a while. Neat, anyway.

Sony,bleh.Theyannoyme.Tonsofbadpressisonething,butitisn'tliketheyaretryingtogooutandimprovetheirimage.

Onthecontrary,theyseemtohaveacrackedoutmarketingdepartment.TheThisIsLivingcommercialsarereallybad.

In my opinion, I think MS is the only thing that's still keeping me gaming.

There's no way I'm going to spend 600$$ for a system that has failed several times in delivering what they promised and still has nothing much worth calling a game within the first seven months..(with the exception of R:FOM of course; which I thinkis just another normal fps if you ask me)

The wii doesn't appeal to me as a gamer...no disrespect sheep, but to me it seems like all Nintendo progressed in is the motion controller thing which I can pretty much do without.

The 360...I'm still skeptical about it, but so far it's the only consol that seems to be pulling weight and actually delivering compared to the previous two...

The best choice is a PC if you can handle it....

I'm going to have to side with MS on this one. =)

IMO, Nintendo and MS. Sony seems to be just trying to market their blue ray format rather than give us a gaming console.Sonick54

1. MS: No-nonsense powerful hardware that doesn't cost an arm and leg just to play games. A huge library of games and upcomming games that has come from working with developers like Mistwalker, Epic, Bioware and Remedy while purchasing developers like RARE to give their system more variety then the last Xbox.

2. Nintendo: Regardless of whether or not I like the direction they are heading (still undecided) Nintendo took a risk and tried something new with the Wii. The games while not amazing or revolutionary (besides shallow ones such as Wii sports) have been better than those on PS3 as far as exclusive content is concerned. Developers thought it was over for Wii before it even launched and are now scambling to make games for the system, Nintendo is being very receptive and that's good. Somewhat slow start for Wii but perhaps the brightest future due to Nintendo taking a risk with the hardware.

3. Sony: If it were not for the need for Hdd installs due to slow blue ray speeds and the high price I would think more highly of Sony's effects. They have been very poor on the games front also and I see no sign of that changing any time soon.

People want to see impovements in their weakest areas.

Microsoft's weakest areas imo were Japanese support and games for the family. I think they have done a good job in these areas with stuff like Dead Rising , Lost Planet , Blue Dragon , Lost Odyssey , Viva Pinata , Kameo ..... but they could always do more especially for the kiddos out there.

Sony's weaknesses were online , good exclusive shooters, and western RPGs. I think SONY is making huge strides in the first two areas.

Nintendo's biggest weaknesses were online , good third party support , and developing new hardcore IPs. The have done the worst job imo. But hey , the have the revolutionary waggle and massive sales so who cares ?

Sony : Disconnected from the reality, even if I can buy a PS3, I won't buy it at this price, no one like to feel ripped off. Specially since I don't want any Blu-ray player for now.

Microsoft: The kings of the softwares are slowly but surely becoming the kings of the hardware now.

Nintendo : Classic but kiddy, they forgot their old fans since the N64/Gamecube. RARE really saved them on the N64. But I have to admit they are doing better now. I think they were at their lowest on the Gamecube. At the NES/SNES time I have to say they were really and truly the bests.

People want to see impovements in their weakest areas.

Microsoft's weakest areas imo were Japanese support and games for the family. I think they have done a good job in these areas with stuff like Dead Rising , Lost Planet , Blue Dragon , Lost Odyssey , Viva Pinata , Kameo ..... but they could always do more especially for the kiddos out there.

Sony's weaknesses were online , good exclusive shooters, and western RPGs. I think SONY is making huge strides in the first two areas.

Nintendo's biggest weaknesses were online , good third party support , and developing new hardcore IPs. The have done the worst job imo. But hey , the have the revolutionary waggle and massive sales so who cares?

Nike_Air

Yeah, MS have done well in that area. I forgot to mention this in my OP but they need to fix up the hardware issues pronto.

Agreed with the Sony part too. Online is looking good and Resistance was a good start (let's hope KZ can do well too). I don't think they really need western RPGs...they did get Oblivion which is good.

Nintendo have the sales now, so hopefully they can fix up online/3rd party support. I want to see more effort from Nintendo. I couldn't care less if Wii sells well, the games are what's most important.

MS and Nintendo. Sony's basically their with PS3 to get Blu-ray players out to make profit. They could care less about the games.

Obviously their going to have SOME games, but not as much as they could have.

MS and Nintendo. Sony's basically their with PS3 to get Blu-ray players out to make profit. They could care less about the games.

Obviously their going to have SOME games, but not as much as they could have.

Haziqonfire

This has been said a few times in this thread.

I'm really surprised people don't think Sony has good games coming. I know they lost GTAIV as a timed exclusive but they have secured some great exclusives this gen.

Heavenly Sword was up for Sony/Nintendo/MS to get, and Sony got it. Lair too. Uncharted as well. These new IPs look fantastic. Not to mention White Knight Story.

Then of course there is GT5, MGSIV, FFXIII, GOW3, GTAIV, RE5, Burnout 5, Tekken 6 etc.

I personally can't ask for more (although I do want Sony to try and get the GTAIV sequel as a timed exclusive again).

MS- i think MS is pretty consistent this gen with pushing quality games and good services but I don't want to see them turn console gaming into a PC or monopolise the market if they win out this gen. Nonetheles they are meeting gamer's demands and at the end of the day that's what we want.

Sony- I think Sony are probably working the hardest simply to recover from the poor start this gen. They're rushing out services like home, frantically working on their 1st & 2nd party games and desperately trying to lower the price to stay in the game. Although it doesn't change the fact that they are struggling at the moment.

Nintendo- Although they got off to a good start i think theyre a bit too laid back and probebly getting too comfortable in the success that is the Wii. Im not sure what they are doing with their online and in terms of games what happens after SSBB, SMG and Metriod?

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MS and Nintendo. Sony's basically their with PS3 to get Blu-ray players out to make profit. They could care less about the games.

Obviously their going to have SOME games, but not as much as they could have.

the-very-best

This has been said a few times in this thread.

I'm really surprised people don't think Sony has good games coming. I know they lost GTAIV as a timed exclusive but they have secured some great exclusives this gen.

Heavenly Sword was up for Sony/Nintendo/MS to get, and Sony got it. Lair too. Uncharted as well. These new IPs look fantastic. Not to mention White Knight Story.

Then of course there is GT5, MGSIV, FFXIII, GOW3, GTAIV, RE5, Burnout 5, Tekken 6 etc.

I personally can't ask for more (although I do want Sony to try and get the GTAIV sequel as a timed exclusive again).

as i said, they have some good games coming out, but not many(for 07)

Heavenly sword looks good, cept for her hair animation, but thats only a very minor problem i have with it. I do admit, uncharted looks good, but imo, lair looks boring.

1st-Sony:They tried to fix all the problems they had last gen(no hdd,crappy online,bad graphics)/they loss the most cash perconsole/Trying to push new,better technology(Bly-ray/Cell).

Bad=Controler could have had dual shock.(they couldnt sell the console for less because they would loss to much money)

2nd-M$:They loss cash on each console/they try to do better in Japan/They made the console much nicer/they shipped 1st.

Bad=Most console failures/online still not free/could have made the powerbrick inside.

3rd-Bring a new way of playing games/Brings in most casuals.

Bad-They make cash on each console/they dont try to push technology/They reuse characters(mario/zelda/metroid)/They have a less powerful console so its not as hard to make 1st party games for them/Online is really bad.

its not for US its for the MONEYonewiththegame

Hey hey give Nintendo a break....

as i said, they have some good games coming out, but not many(for 07)

Heavenly sword looks good, cept for her hair animation, but thats only a very minor problem i have with it. I do admit, uncharted looks good, but imo, lair looks boring.

Haziqonfire

Yeah, I'm not interested in Lair too much either.

However, Lair, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Haze, Killzone, Ratchet and Clank: Future are all highly anticipated exclusives coming this year. I think that's a pretty good lineup.

[QUOTE="onewiththegame"]its not for US its for the MONEYmiss_kitt3n

Hey hey give Nintendo a break....

What's thats suppose to mean??? Microsoft and Sony needs money too!!!

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

as i said, they have some good games coming out, but not many(for 07)

Heavenly sword looks good, cept for her hair animation, but thats only a very minor problem i have with it. I do admit, uncharted looks good, but imo, lair looks boring.

the-very-best

Yeah, I'm not interested in Lair too much either.

However, Lair, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Haze, Killzone, Ratchet and Clank: Future are all highly anticipated exclusives coming this year. I think that's a pretty good lineup.

Eh, not to excited for KZ2 after KZ1. R&C Looks good, NG:S is a good game(played the demo), dont know much about haze.

Heavenly sword looks good, cept for her hair animation, but thats only a very minor problem i have with it. I do admit, uncharted looks good, but imo, lair looks boring. Haziqonfire

My main problem with Heavenly Sword is who the game is being developed by. It might be their first good game but there are many other games from developers with far better track records that aren't nearly as hyped. I would be surprised if the game turns out well.

Eh, not to excited for KZ2 after KZ1. R&C Looks good, NG:S is a good game(played the demo), dont know much about haze.

Haziqonfire

KZ1 wasn't that great. But I'm hoping the 120 dev team, $21 million budget and the very lengthy dev time translates into a solid game.

Haze is coming from the devs of Timesplitters, and some devs who worked on Perfect Dark and Goldeneye 64 for N64, so I have extremely high hopes for this game, and it's been my most anticipated next gen FPS since first announced.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Eh, not to excited for KZ2 after KZ1. R&C Looks good, NG:S is a good game(played the demo), dont know much about haze.

the-very-best

KZ1 wasn't that great. But I'm hoping the 120 dev team, $21 million budget and the very lengthy dev time translates into a solid game.

Haze is coming from the devs of Timesplitters, and some devs who worked on Perfect Dark and Goldeneye 64 for N64, so I have extremely high hopes for this game, and it's been my most anticipated next gen FPS since first announced.

Hrmm, cool.

Anyone who doesnt say Nintendo is crazy. For how the Wii sells like HotCakes in Japan.....they still provide a steady amount of games and consoles to all countries.

not nintendo for sure. they're making a killing on everything they're selling. infact on ign in a podcast they said making a wii mote costs roughly $10 and nunchuck is like $3. thats a $47 profit.

sony they're taking a bigloss and they're trying to correctproblems with their updates. they're releasing several new ips this year and are trying hard to get out o all this negativity which is drining htem to work harder.

microsoft also bringing out tons of games but the failure rate is too high. they've also done a good job getting exclusive games on ps to xbox and securing 3rd party exclusives.

overall i think its sony

Gotta be Microsoft, they are willing to spend huge dollars in Japan even know they can't gain any ground. They are willing to take losses in Japan even though they aren't gaining any ground. They've been taking exclusives and games off of Sony. They've been getting huge 3rd Party support and locking up deals with 3rd Party devs. They've coloborated with devs like Epic to make GeOW and above all else they made a high end console that didn't break the bank. Not to mention that they are on top of things with XBL.

Seocnd place goes to Nintendo as they are branching out to everyone. Now if it was who is doing the most for gaming or for non gamers I would have choose Nintendo. But Microsoft is working the hardest to benifit the established gamer.

Last place goes to PS3. Wow where the hell do I start?

• $600
• Still hasn't appealed to the Japanese market
• Controller came without Rumble
• Lack of quality games especially when compared to its precursor.
• Hardware wasn't built to show immediate results.
• Constant delays before the launch

On the up side though they have given us a stable network in PSN. I don't consider Blu-Ray to be a benifit to the gamer.

None of the 3 are helping much at all right now, but I'm going to give it to Sony just because they don't seem to be milking as bad as Nintendo or Microsoft.

Sony - Wins by default. But don't take that as a compliment. $600 defiantly isn't helping to expand the gaming market. Not to mention pushing such expensive luxuries such as Blu-Ray or HD.

Nintendo - It seems to me like Nintendo spewed out the Wii for the sole reason to make some quick money and make up for their loses with their past consoles failures. This is evident with their marketing campaign towards the casuals and the non-gamers, and it's gimmick of a controler.

Microsoft - The hardware reliability with your current console is awful, and releasing the Elite with absolutly no hardware improvments, still suffering from the "3 red lights," is just a slap in the face to the gaming community. Not to mention your monopoly on PC Operating systems, and possibly the most preposterous act I've seen with your Games for Windows milkage.

MS seems to be the most focused on "hardcore" traditional gamers, but at the same time Sony is also making a bunch of first-party games aimed squarely at us. For Nintendo, I think we've dropped a rung on the priority ladder this gen. Teufelhuhn

" Hardware wasn't built to show immediate results. " ???????

Resistance , Motorstorm , Oblivion , etc , prove otherwise. Don't let a few bad ports fool you.