So why does the anime artsty!e get a free pass around here?

Valkyria Chronicles

Eternal Sonata

Star Ocean 4

Persona 4

Uninfinite Discovery

That level 5 game...

FF13

So let me ask this, why do alot of games (shooters in particular) get hated on when they use variations of the gritty artsty!e but variations of the anime look aren't hated on by SW? Infact it seems anything with bright enough colours is A-OK in SWs mind, but I'm focusing on the anime look right now, most people give these generic characters a pass, even though they all fall into the typical anime character cliches and designs, but would hate on a marine in an instant.

Could someone shed some light on this? Because it really bothers me, hell even today I saw someone saying VC2 looks better than Crysis because apparently crysis look is "generic" while VC2 isn't typical anime stuff...

Because there's a lot of anime fans around here, I guess. BTW It's Infinite Undiscovery.

Because all of them look great, and pretty different.hexashadow13

Different how? The colouring is the only real difference and the character designs are shared amongst those games. Gritty and realistic FPS also look different so why are they bashed?

Because we have alot of anime fans around here (myself included).Miroku32

I am one myself but I don't like how many of these look, especially that level 5 game.

It's a double standard, yea. Just gotta live with it in SW

its distinct.....we aint had as many games this gen that have tried to set them selves apart from the realism crowd the first few that spring to mind are the naruto games,borderlands and Ni no kuni.

Im fed up of seeing graphics focusing on characters trying to be portrayed as realisticly as possible its a bit tedious and its pretty stale and doesnt distinguish a game from the crowd.I personally think Borderlands is one of the best lookin gmaes this gen and Ni No Kuni aaswell cause visually they seem to please the eye and set themselves apart.

Instead of the brown/grey space marine on steroids approach or the gta4 one where realism came before going all oot wi yer baws oot mentality like the older games.

The designs are distinctly Japanese, but they're all different. Whether you like them or not is a different matter, but they're not all clones. Not so much with the space marine look that gets bashed around here, which for the most part consists of bald, 30-something males, or if they have hair, it's brown and very thin. Like so:

The problem isn't with the space marine look, it's that so many games use the same damn look.

Slashkice

Err Ezio, Sam fisher, Niko, The heavy, Kratos, that guy from L4D, that guy from prototype and god lord MARIO don't belong on that list at all.. they don't even fit the space marine stereotype!

Not to mention you create your own character in ME2..

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The designs are distinctly Japanese, but they're all different. Whether you like them or not is a different matter, but they're not all clones. Not so much with the space marine look that gets bashed around here, which for the most part consists of bald, 30-something males, or if they have hair, it's brown and very thin. Like so:

The problem isn't with the space marine look, it's that so many games use the same damn look.

Espada12

Err Ezio, Sam fisher, Niko, The heavy, Kratos, that guy from L4D, that guy from prototype and god lord MARIO don't belong on that list at all.. they don't even fit the space marine stereotype!

Not to mention you create your own character in ME2..

last time i checked that was more from a gameplay perspective...think he's refering to how generic games from the west in a sense are beginning to feel well....uninspired by striving for photorealism esque approaches.

its distinct.....we aint had as many games this gen that have tried to set them selves apart from the realism crowd the first few that spring to mind are the naruto games,borderlands and Ni no kuni.

Im fed up of seeing graphics focusing on characters trying to be portrayed as realisticly as possible its a bit tedious and its pretty stale and doesnt distinguish a game from the crowd.I personally think Borderlands is one of the best lookin gmaes this gen and Ni No Kuni aaswell cause visually they seem to please the eye and set themselves apart.

Instead of the brown/grey space marine on steroids approach or the gta4 one where realism came before going all oot wi yer baws oot mentality like the older games.

razgriz_101

The japanese do the exact opposite of what you are saying, these designs are GENERIC when it comes to japanese games. I don't understand why one is more acceptable than the other.

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Err Ezio, Sam fisher, Niko, The heavy, Kratos, that guy from L4D, that guy from prototype and god lord MARIO don't belong on that list at all.. they don't even fit the space marine stereotype!

Not to mention you create your own character in ME2..

Slashkice

I don't agree with every inclusion in the list, but it gets the point across (the Mario 'shop was obviously a joke though).

You can create your own Shepard, but the one in the list is the Shepard Bioware shows off, so it's not like it was a character made to just highlight the stereotype.

I understand it's a problem with western games, but what I don't understand is these design are generic when it comes to japanese games, particularly JRPGS. But the hate only goes one way.

I absolutely detest anime sty le. I can't stand it. It kills everything for me.

I don't think FFXIII is anime st yle though. Anyways, to answer the question, who knows?

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]Because all of them look great, and pretty different.Espada12

Different how? The colouring is the only real difference and the character designs are shared amongst those games. Gritty and realistic FPS also look different so why are they bashed?

They shouldn't. They can be just as god damn boring.

Ummm lol I don't think any of those games actually are generic anime designs, besides maybe that Tales of Vesperia but it's always the same artist. Have you played those games? lol but while you may think their designs gets a free pass on here, character cliches don't lol.Luxen90

I've only played two out of those I've listed, but that doesn't really have to do with looks though.

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Err Ezio, Sam fisher, Niko, The heavy, Kratos, that guy from L4D, that guy from prototype and god lord MARIO don't belong on that list at all.. they don't even fit the space marine stereotype!

Not to mention you create your own character in ME2..

Slashkice

I don't agree with every inclusion in the list, but it gets the point across (the Mario 'shop was obviously a joke though).

You can create your own Shepard, but the one in the list is the Shepard Bioware shows off, so it's not like it was a character made to just highlight the stereotype.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]Ummm lol I don't think any of those games actually are generic anime designs, besides maybe that Tales of Vesperia but it's always the same artist. Have you played those games? lol but while you may think their designs gets a free pass on here, character cliches don't lol.Espada12

I've only played two out of those I've listed, but that doesn't really have to do with looks though.

The funny thing is that so few anime-style games this gen have gotten AA/AAA status, that the look actually seems a bit refreshing to me in a good game.

anime is cute, did you ever see anyone who hates cats ??

Well anime is a pretty broad brush.

Sure the mainstream anime is usually the same big eyed, hyper active, nonsensical stuff but there are some great anime if you did some digging in the past.

I played the DS version of the Nino kuni demo that level 5 and studio ghibli are making and found it fun.

Studio Ghibli usually makes great story full of distinctive characters and believable fantasy world.

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But my prefer anime style is more close to realistic like Monster or Master Keaton.

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Oh please, when it comes to Japanese games, people start bashing them on looking like women instead.

Maybe because those games are actually good?

I don't know, I haven't played any of those. But Ni No Kuni I'm definantly getting.

I only have played Eternal Sonata and Valkyria Chronicles, and i have to say, those are among the most beautiful games i've seen this gen, both colorful, with very different character desing.

So, no, they don't get a free pass in SW, its only that this games are indeed beautiful and with a lot of style.

Double standards.

Because those games all look badass. Terrible faux real vs. awesome smooth cell shading. Seems pretty simple to me.mbrockway

anime type artstyle's get bashed here in a heartbeat.lawlessx

Maybe because those games are actually good?

I don't know, I haven't played any of those. But Ni No Kuni I'm definantly getting.

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]anime type artstyle's get bashed here in a heartbeat.Sandvichman

Maybe because those games are actually good?

I don't know, I haven't played any of those. But Ni No Kuni I'm definantly getting.

LegatoSkyheart

Did you even read my Statement? I've never played any of the Games TC listed and I don't have Final Fantasy 13 but I have Halo Reach, What does that tell you?

All but SO4 and IU looks beautiful and different looking IMO. Plus the anime st.yle has been bash here so no it hasn't gotten a free pass.

Everything gets bashed in SW at some time...

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] [QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Maybe because those games are actually good?

I don't know, I haven't played any of those. But Ni No Kuni I'm definantly getting.

LegatoSkyheart

Did you even read my Statement? I've never played any of the Games TC listed and I don't have Final Fantasy 13 but I have Halo Reach, What does that tell you?

Everything gets bashed in SW at some time...

Rhino53

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Everything gets bashed in SW at some time...

BrunoBRS

Yeah, that's a good point, realistic graphics don't age very well at all

Those aren't really the best examples. Some of those games do stand out.

But you're right that there's a double standard. Some people just hype any game that comes along if it has anime art, while if a gritty grey FPS is revealed (and isn't from an established franchise) there's a lot of ambivalence about it even from shooter fans. You could argue that there's less variation in those shooters, of course, but the basic anime style is equally stale in my mind.