So why exactly do you pay for Xbox Live?

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"] Ive got equal amounts of friends on both 360 and PS3. Most use both PSN and XBL as wellcarlisledavid79

How is that relevant ?.

You asked what makes XBL worth it, and friends (community) makes it worth it.

Where have i ever said it didnt?

Unfortunately you have to pay to play with friends on XBL but its worth it imo

[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

How is that relevant ?.

You asked what makes XBL worth it, and friends (community) makes it worth it.

Snugenz

Where have i ever said it didnt?

Unfortunately you have to pay to play with friends on XBL but its worth it imo

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"] Of course it has a relevance. Is having active friends exclusive to just the 360? No. It's a great benifit for both. If having friends on 360 makes that service worth it, then by the same definition it makes it worth it on PSN also.carlisledavid79

Where have i ever said it didnt?

Unfortunately you have to pay to play with friends on XBL but its worth it imo

And you're not wrong, but if like me you have a large group of buddies that play exclusively on the 360 then being able to play elsewhere for free is irrelevant.

So I can play on Xbox Live? I don't have a gaming capable PC, sooooo...

Well I figure Bill Gates is so charitable with his money that I should contribute a little back to him. :twisted:

They don't have much choice.

Once my 2 year sub is up... I'm perm canceling my XBL account. Still didn't get my 1,600 MS points from the offer last year.

XBL is getting worse and worse with each year. No free stuff any more or rarely... Very few community videos on stuff I wanna see... I don't know why I even pay for XBL any more.

Only thing really XBL has any more is party chat.

The simple fact is these people dont have a choice, they are slaves to xbox live. If you were in their shoes what would you do? get rid of your 360 and vast collection of games, online friends and get a pc or ps3? They may make up bs about xbox live being a superior service, worth the money etc, but this is just denial message they post instead of admitting ms is screwing them over. If silver could play games online I bet you people would leave gold in droves and its numbers would be similiar to the ps plus users, if not less.

The simple fact is these people dont have a choice, they are slaves to xbox live. If you were in their shoes what would you do? get rid of your 360 and vast collection of games, online friends and get a pc or ps3? They may make up bs about xbox live being a superior service, worth the money etc, but this is just denial message they post instead of admitting ms is screwing them over. If silver could play games online I bet you people would leave gold in droves and its numbers would be similiar to the ps plus users, if not less.

NanoMan88

I don't. I've never paid for it and never will.

[QUOTE="NanoMan88"]

The simple fact is these people dont have a choice, they are slaves to xbox live. If you were in their shoes what would you do? get rid of your 360 and vast collection of games, online friends and get a pc or ps3? They may make up bs about xbox live being a superior service, worth the money etc, but this is just denial message they post instead of admitting ms is screwing them over. If silver could play games online I bet you people would leave gold in droves and its numbers would be similiar to the ps plus users, if not less.

locopatho

There is also Steam for PC that provides all that and much more with voice support at much better quality for free.

Even if we are talking strictly consoles here which I am not, ms should give people a choice; those that want the fancy bells and whistles can pay for gold while the basic nessesity of playing games should be on silver. What is the point of silver anyways? it has no features and might as well not even exist. Also I just said why all your friends are on xbox live, because they have no choice!

anyone ever notice in these threads the answer ps3 guys put down is "cuz they ain't got no choice" then you read through the thread and piles of people that defend xbl have psn tags in their sigs.

seems to me they do have a choice.

No matter how much people try and justify it, it's still just one big cash grab. The simple function of playing a game you paid full price for online should be free.

anyone ever notice in these threads the answer ps3 guys put down is "cuz they ain't got no choice" then you read through the thread and piles of people that defend xbl have psn tags in their sigs.

seems to me they do have a choice.

Riverwolf007

Exactly. (see sig below)

And people just can't seem to make peace with the idea that some people actually find value in the service. From the comments, they just can't handle a live-and-let-live perspective.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

anyone ever notice in these threads the answer ps3 guys put down is "cuz they ain't got no choice" then you read through the thread and piles of people that defend xbl have psn tags in their sigs.

seems to me they do have a choice.

VoodooHak

Exactly. (see sig below)

And people just can't seem to make peace with the idea that some people actually find value in the service. From the comments, they just can't handle a live-and-let-live perspective.

"omg! did you see how zorg bought a raccoon fur? pfft! that is free if you go out and get one. gawd! who pays for free stuff!?!?"

I don't. Which is why I stopped subscribing to XBL. I'm not going to continue paying over $100 AUD only to be further charged for overpriced DLC left and right.

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

anyone ever notice in these threads the answer ps3 guys put down is "cuz they ain't got no choice" then you read through the thread and piles of people that defend xbl have psn tags in their sigs.

seems to me they do have a choice.

Riverwolf007

Exactly. (see sig below)

And people just can't seem to make peace with the idea that some people actually find value in the service. From the comments, they just can't handle a live-and-let-live perspective.

"omg! did you see how zorg bought a raccoon fur? pfft! that is free if you go out and get one. gawd! who pays for free stuff!?!?"

I pay for gold but its not all that bad...I recognize that its better than PSN in just about every way...game on demand, netflix is better, more demos, xgame chat etc etc. I dont LIKE that I have to pay but it is what it is...at least you recognize the stuff you are getting is better than the stuff thats free.

Plus if you check around you can always find live deals...I think they still have the half off gold subscription.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

anyone ever notice in these threads the answer ps3 guys put down is "cuz they ain't got no choice" then you read through the thread and piles of people that defend xbl have psn tags in their sigs.

seems to me they do have a choice.

VoodooHak

From the comments, they just can't handle a live-and-let-live perspective.

Which is my whole point. Even if you don't like my reason, it's my money, let me do my thing. Calling someone "stupid" or a "slave" over the way they CHOOSE to spend THEIR $60 is the most mind boggling **** I've ever seen. But then I realize that gaming is all that some of these people have so they defend it like its their child. Sad really, but probably true. I'm responsible for the downfall of gaming as we know it?..........not the pirates who steal games or the hackers who ruin entire gaming experiences for thousands upon thousands of people, but me.........and the soccer moms of course:roll:. To those who pay and are happy, salute. To those who think it's a ripoff, salute. To those who think it's the 4th horseman of the Apocalypse............go outside. Seriously. Now if you all will excuse me, I need to buy some horse armor:P

EDIT: Someone remind me not to enter the this same thread when it is made about a week from now.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="NanoMan88"]

The simple fact is these people dont have a choice, they are slaves to xbox live. If you were in their shoes what would you do? get rid of your 360 and vast collection of games, online friends and get a pc or ps3? They may make up bs about xbox live being a superior service, worth the money etc, but this is just denial message they post instead of admitting ms is screwing them over. If silver could play games online I bet you people would leave gold in droves and its numbers would be similiar to the ps plus users, if not less.

NanoMan88

There is also Steam for PC that provides all that and much more with voice support at much better quality for free.

Even if we are talking strictly consoles here which I am not, ms should give people a choice; those that want the fancy bells and whistles can pay for gold while the basic nessesity of playing games should be on silver. What is the point of silver anyways? it has no features and might as well not even exist. Also I just said why all your friends are on xbox live, because they have no choice!

SO I CAN PLAY BLACK OPS WITH MI FREINS!!!

To play my Xbox 360 games online. Though TF2 is starting to take all of my time imho.

:P

timmy00

how is this an opinion?

[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]What exactly does XBL offer over PSN that makes it worth it? If all I was interested in playing was "multiplat game X" online. what would be the difference?FIipMode

Nothing really, you might run into people with more mics online.

So they are all supposed to buy PS3s or get gaming PCs so that we can play online for free? Yes, I'll alert my family and friends to do that so that random hater #45434 on the Internet won't think I'm getting milked. Please see my secretary Shirley for your 2 cent refund and your complimentary cookie. I love the fact that you are so concerned with what I do with my loot. When I eat, do you get the runs, too? I swear, people wake up on my..............eat breakfast first................lol.

bez2083

No matter how much people try and justify it, it's still just one big cash grab. The simple function of playing a game you paid full price for online should be free.

KratosTwin

Playing online costs money.

Sony loses hundreds of millions of dollars for not charging for it

MS doesn't lose any money

And on the PC servers are up because of donations from the gaming community who cares to support them.

I'm expecting next gen to see Sony make paying for online play mandatory if you want to play your games. Only reason they seem to not do it now is because they are behind the 360 in sales, so free online is a selling point, but the more they update it to try and get it on par with Xbox Live the more money they sink into it.

So at this point, the main points I've gleaned from this thread are that many xbl users see value in the service, many don't.

To play online. :lol:

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

So they are all supposed to buy PS3s or get gaming PCs so that we can play online for free? Yes, I'll alert my family and friends to do that so that random hater #45434 on the Internet won't think I'm getting milked. Please see my secretary Shirley for your 2 cent refund and your complimentary cookie. I love the fact that you are so concerned with what I do with my loot. When I eat, do you get the runs, too? I swear, people wake up on my..............eat breakfast first................lol.

Stevo_the_gamer

My folks would likely tell me to seek counseling.

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

No matter how much people try and justify it, it's still just one big cash grab. The simple function of playing a game you paid full price for online should be free.

Raymundo_Manuel

Playing online costs money.

Sony loses hundreds of millions of dollars for not charging for it

MS doesn't lose any money

And on the PC servers are up because of donations from the gaming community who cares to support them.

I'm expecting next gen to see Sony make paying for online play mandatory if you want to play your games. Only reason they seem to not do it now is because they are behind the 360 in sales, so free online is a selling point, but the more they update it to try and get it on par with Xbox Live the more money they sink into it.

why is this so hard for people to understand.

No matter how much people try and justify it, it's still just one big cash grab. The simple function of playing a game you paid full price for online should be free.

KratosTwin

you never played a FPS on a PC have you? because 99% of it is funded by gamers

how is this thread still going on? isn't the answer to this thread's question abit too obvious?

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Because I just want to play games online, and don't really care whether or not it's "right" to pay for it. It's a completely trivial amount of money to me.

HailCaesarHail

congrats, but to some its not. a little arrogant, no?

no. because the people who complain about it (or make these threads), seem be anyone but the users of it. No ones particularly thrilled at paying for it, but the people who don't use it complain the most. Hows that work out?

It seems to be fine for anyone willing to use it. If I was more into online gaming and had the time for it, it wouldn't be a big deal to me either.

That's why I don't see the point of these constant Xbox Live threads, why ask people a question to which the answer is already known? Is it just to go "HA HA HA" or something?

I'm sure the holier than thou people who make these point and laugh threads constantly, all use their own preferred alternative.

Playing online costs money.

Sony loses hundreds of millions of dollars for not charging for it

MS doesn't lose any money

And on the PC servers are up because of donations from the gaming community who cares to support them.

I'm expecting next gen to see Sony make paying for online play mandatory if you want to play your games. Only reason they seem to not do it now is because they are behind the 360 in sales, so free onlineis a selling point, but the more they update it to try and get it on par with Xbox Live the more money they sink into it.

Raymundo_Manuel

That's why there is a thing called Ads... Which even though we pay for online... We still have to see them. MS is making profit off us... They are not breaking even. They raised the cost of live.... EVEN when they are making profit.

It's BS... Plain and simple.

I'm glad Sony has their online free. They were smart enough to offer a premium service to help make ends meet.

MS justifying Netflix, facebook and other things that are free as a paid thing... Is just more BS topping on the cake.

As years have progressed... TVs, DVD/Blu Ray players, phones and other devices all do the things that 360 does... But for free. It's a joke any more to say you can't get this experience any where else but 360.

Only thing 360 has is party chat and that is certainly not worth $60 a year.

HAHAHA. Thinnley veiled PC elitest thread, ok I'll bite. I pay because *gasp* its how you play the the 360 with other people.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="KratosTwin"]

No matter how much people try and justify it, it's still just one big cash grab. The simple function of playing a game you paid full price for online should be free.

gamer-adam1

Playing online costs money.

Sony loses hundreds of millions of dollars for not charging for it

MS doesn't lose any money

And on the PC servers are up because of donations from the gaming community who cares to support them.

I'm expecting next gen to see Sony make paying for online play mandatory if you want to play your games. Only reason they seem to not do it now is because they are behind the 360 in sales, so free online is a selling point, but the more they update it to try and get it on par with Xbox Live the more money they sink into it.

why is this so hard for people to understand.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

Playing online costs money.

Sony loses hundreds of millions of dollars for not charging for it

MS doesn't lose any money

And on the PC servers are up because of donations from the gaming community who cares to support them.

I'm expecting next gen to see Sony make paying for online play mandatory if you want to play your games. Only reason they seem to not do it now is because they are behind the 360 in sales, so free onlineis a selling point, but the more they update it to try and get it on par with Xbox Live the more money they sink into it.

Truth_Hurts_U

That's why there is a thing called Ads... Which even though we pay for online... We still have to see them. MS is making profit off us... They are not breaking even. They raised the cost of live.... EVEN when they are making profit.

This is something I've never understood about SW and their fascination with XBL.

Where are these "ads" on XBL? Are they the ones that show off what new games/DLC are available on the marketplace? Or what movies/music/event is going on in XBL? Or when gold is on sale?

Or the occasional "true" ad we see which is usually a contest along with the ad that you get free themes/gamerpics from?

Somebody please explain

[QUOTE="percech"]Evidently, I think it's a lot dumber of PS3 owners to spend money on Plus. At least 360 have a good reason. Jeez.Episode_Eve

Actually, there's a ton of value to be acquired with PS+. If I were to subscribe when it launched, I would have made back my investment and much more, and it hasn't been a year since it started.

There are plenty of "free" games and discounts I would've taken advantage of, played full game trials, entered in exclusive betas, downloaded nice themes (least important), and utilize cloud storage for game saves. It's not for everyone, but I think it's a very smart service. It's a good model to provide free online gaming, then stack other incentives in a premium service.

Ok, I see what your saying, but some of the argument transfers over in way. Xbox live chrages for things which could be free. Yet some of the features of PSN+ also shouldn't be boasted about in that vein.

Trials (full or otherwise) - well they want you to buy their game, so let people demo it properly. Betas - well they want you to help them test their game. To me it seems like they are making out as if they are doing you a favour, when you are really doing them a favour, by doing those things that help them.

Especially with demos, I mean to me they are the same as someone putting a demo tape on your desk. They should consider themselves lucky you take a look. Sure though the whole thing is about full game trials, but at the end of the day, its the dev that wants me to look into their product.

Plus don't a lot of the free game go back to them when your done with the service? And cloud storage is something Steam do anyway, I don't know why this is a payed for feature. It could have been a really attractive main feature of PSN as a whole.

I can see they took a combination of these things and made it into an attractive package, but when broken down, I can't help look at it in this way.

EDITED

XBL is like paying for the other half of you game to work...

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

Playing online costs money.

Sony loses hundreds of millions of dollars for not charging for it

MS doesn't lose any money

And on the PC servers are up because of donations from the gaming community who cares to support them.

I'm expecting next gen to see Sony make paying for online play mandatory if you want to play your games. Only reason they seem to not do it now is because they are behind the 360 in sales, so free onlineis a selling point, but the more they update it to try and get it on par with Xbox Live the more money they sink into it.

Funconsole

That's why there is a thing called Ads... Which even though we pay for online... We still have to see them. MS is making profit off us... They are not breaking even. They raised the cost of live.... EVEN when they are making profit.

This is something I've never understood about SW and their fascination with XBL.

Where are these "ads" on XBL? Are they the ones that show off what new games/DLC are available on the marketplace? Or what movies/music/event is going on in XBL? Or when gold is on sale?

Or the occasional "true" ad we see which is usually a contest along with the ad that you get free themes/gamerpics from?

Somebody please explain

yup, got no Ads on my xbox, and also Live price only raised in the states, and I would assume that its because the economy is very bad there, thus everything else gets more expensive. plus buying things is good!

heh, how ironic that this topic is here on a night that psn is down.

because PS3 and Nintendo's online networks suck.buhal83