Socom Confrontatons is an insult to the Socom Series

Okay so after watching some gameplay over at gametrailers.com I really believe that the Socom franchise is taking a turn for the worse. Now before you cows start flamming me and saying I am just a big stupid lemming listen to what I have to say.

I played and love Socom 1,2 and 3, those where some of the first shooters (aside from Golden Eye and Perfect dark for the N64) that I got into. I loved the campaign and the tactical appraoch the game had, along with its stellar graphics (for the time). Now with the new game startin to see more media coverage I am very dissapointed with a couple of things:

1. The graphics, for a next gen game on the PS3 the graphics should be much better then what the video is showing you. Sure maybe its not the finished product but don't expect a complete overhaul at least not without a large delay in the release. I understand their primary focus in the multiplayer and they want to make it good but that is no excuse for graphics that look like PS2 graphics in HD.

2. No single player, The first 3 games in the series where from of my favorite shooter singleplayer ever. The addition of the headset with tactical commands was fantastic and lots of fun. I really dislike the fact that they removed this aspect of the game in hopes to create an "amazing multiplayer experience", They are trying do draw away from their roots and that is my final issue with the game...

3. Where is the tactical aspect? After watching clip after clip on gametrailers I realised the game was no longer a tactical style of shooter Socom was known for and was now a run and gun no better then Halo.

I am seriously dissapointed and think this game is going to be a huge failure, I can only hope the devs will learn form this and go back to their roots on the next socom game.

Should go over to the socom forums on playstation.com. Before the new media release the forums were up in flames every day ripping apart every piece of info, media, and comments we got from the devs. The people there are actually happy now from the new media because it looks to play like socom 1 and 2. Also graphics have never been a main point for socom and the single player has always been extra icing on the cake for socom fans. Get out, your obviously just trying to flame.Sully28

How am I trying to flame? I backed all my points with reasoning and am a fan of 1,2 and 3

1. The game looks nice
2. Socom is more about multiplayer , so no big loss. Play something else if you want single player.
3. They were showing off populated respawn games which leads to lots of running and gunning (which is fine and fun too) ....... and not their infamous round-based (die and sit) , high level play.

Okay so after watching some gameplay over at gametrailers.com I really believe that the Socom franchise is taking a turn for the worse. Now before you cows start flamming me and saying I am just a big stupid lemming listen to what I have to say.

I played and love Socom 1,2 and 3, those where some of the first shooters (aside from Golden Eye and Perfect dark for the N64) that I got into. I loved the campaign and the tactical appraoch the game had, along with its stellar graphics (for the time). Now with the new game startin to see more media coverage I am very dissapointed with a couple of things:

1. The graphics, for a next gen game on the PS3 the graphics should be much better then what the video is showing you. Sure maybe its not the finished product but don't expect a complete overhaul at least not without a large delay in the release. I understand their primary focus in the multiplayer and they want to make it good but that is no excuse for graphics that look like PS2 graphics in HD.

2. No single player, The first 3 games in the series where from of my favorite shooter singleplayer ever. The addition of the headset with tactical commands was fantastic and lots of fun. I really dislike the fact that they removed this aspect of the game in hopes to create an "amazing multiplayer experience", They are trying do draw away from their roots and that is my final issue with the game...

3. Where is the tactical aspect? After watching clip after clip on gametrailers I realised the game was no longer a tactical style of shooter Socom was known for and was now a run and gun no better then Halo.

I am seriously dissapointed and think this game is going to be a huge failure, I can only hope the devs will learn form this and go back to their roots on the next socom game.

APOLLOCJD

The first gameplay vids made me go.....:|

The levels look really fun...but ahhhh..I don't know..As of right now...it looks like a slow paced run and gun shooter..and thats not what Socom is about...

The first gameplay vids made me go.....:|

The levels look really fun...but ahhhh..I don't know..As of right now...it looks like a slow paced run and gun shooter..and thats not what Socom is about...

masiisam

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

The first gameplay vids made me go.....:|

The levels look really fun...but ahhhh..I don't know..As of right now...it looks like a slow paced run and gun shooter..and thats not what Socom is about...

river_rat3117

I agree..but the mechanics are just puzzling...We all know this is pre beta...but damn... hip shooting players across the map? and I don't mean players in the same section of the map..but alllll the way across the map...is just ridiculous

[QUOTE="river_rat3117"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

The first gameplay vids made me go.....:|

The levels look really fun...but ahhhh..I don't know..As of right now...it looks like a slow paced run and gun shooter..and thats not what Socom is about...

masiisam

I agree..but the mechanics are just puzzling...We all know this is pre beta...but damn... hip shooting players across the map? and I don't mean players in the same section of the map..but alllll the way across the map...is just ridiculous

You always shot from the hip in Socom..

Only weapons you scoped in with was a sniper, and maybe an assault rifle but rarely.

1. The game looks nice
2. Socom is more about multiplayer , so no big loss. Play something else if you want single player.
3. They were showing off populated respawn games which leads to lots of running and gunning (which is fine and fun too) ....... and not their infamous round-based (die and sit) , high level play.

Nike_Air

Your in denial

[QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="river_rat3117"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

The first gameplay vids made me go.....:|

The levels look really fun...but ahhhh..I don't know..As of right now...it looks like a slow paced run and gun shooter..and thats not what Socom is about...

TheNuyorican

I agree..but the mechanics are just puzzling...We all know this is pre beta...but damn... hip shooting players across the map? and I don't mean players in the same section of the map..but alllll the way across the map...is just ridiculous

You always shot from the hip in Socom..

Only weapons you scoped in with was a sniper, and maybe an assault rifle but rarely.

I know...but...IMO the past does not make it OK now..It was acceptable back then...Now it's ridiculous..

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

1. The game looks nice
2. Socom is more about multiplayer , so no big loss. Play something else if you want single player.
3. They were showing off populated respawn games which leads to lots of running and gunning (which is fine and fun too) ....... and not their infamous round-based (die and sit) , high level play.

APOLLOCJD

Your in denial

[QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

1. The game looks nice
2. Socom is more about multiplayer , so no big loss. Play something else if you want single player.
3. They were showing off populated respawn games which leads to lots of running and gunning (which is fine and fun too) ....... and not their infamous round-based (die and sit) , high level play.

Nike_Air

Your in denial

Sure you can, but just saying the game looks nice with no reasoning isn't a very intellectual opinion

Well I will find out in the beta. Since Im automaticly in the beta whenever it starts.finalfantasy94

So am I cause by brother payed for that dumb service thing on the PSN for it

If anything was an insult to the SOCOM series, it was SOCOM 3. From what I've seen, Confrontation doesn't look too far from SOCOM 2 style.

I'm not bothered about the graphics OR the single player. It'll be much easier for snipers now, what with the lack of fog.

Major Floppage.NiTiZ

Every thread I've been in tonight you've been there to slate the PS3. Give it up with the unconstructive and unimaginative posts to slate the PS3...

On the topic, I feel the same way as TC. In my eye, last generation, Socom was up there at the top, but from what we've seen so far, it just looks really average. Graphics are mediocre too, which is odd as I felt the Socom games last gen looked brilliant. Unless I see a large improvement, the only reason I might pick this is for the official Sony Bluetooth headset which comes with it..

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

1. The game looks nice
2. Socom is more about multiplayer , so no big loss. Play something else if you want single player.
3. They were showing off populated respawn games which leads to lots of running and gunning (which is fine and fun too) ....... and not their infamous round-based (die and sit) , high level play.

APOLLOCJD

Your in denial

Sure you can, but just saying the game looks nice with no reasoning isn't a very intellectual opinion

The graphics are way nicer than Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3. Socom's SP was always crap compared to the MP. If you want to play a tactical shooter with SP, play GRAW. And I'm not disappointed at all, It's going to be $40 and It's going to be f'n huge. I can expect an 8.5 here. It's basically a COD4 multiplayer on steroids, meaning better graphics, more achievements, bigger maps and more people. I'm so excited for this.

The graphics are way nicer than Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3. Socom's SP was always crap compared to the MP. If you want to play a tactical shooter with SP, play GRAW. And I'm not disappointed at all, It's going to be $40 and It's going to be f'n huge. I can expect an 8.5 here. It's basically a COD4 multiplayer on steroids, meaning better graphics, more achievements, bigger maps and more people. I'm so excited for this.

Droopeh

You may need your eyes checked because Halo3 and COD4 look much better then SOCOM Confrontation.

[QUOTE="Droopeh"]

The graphics are way nicer than Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3. Socom's SP was always crap compared to the MP. If you want to play a tactical shooter with SP, play GRAW. And I'm not disappointed at all, It's going to be $40 and It's going to be f'n huge. I can expect an 8.5 here. It's basically a COD4 multiplayer on steroids, meaning better graphics, more achievements, bigger maps and more people. I'm so excited for this.

GoldenGlove

You may need your eyes checked because Halo3 and COD4 look much better then SOCOM Confrontation.

[QUOTE="Droopeh"]

The graphics are way nicer than Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3. Socom's SP was always crap compared to the MP. If you want to play a tactical shooter with SP, play GRAW. And I'm not disappointed at all, It's going to be $40 and It's going to be f'n huge. I can expect an 8.5 here. It's basically a COD4 multiplayer on steroids, meaning better graphics, more achievements, bigger maps and more people. I'm so excited for this.

GoldenGlove

You may need your eyes checked because Halo3 and COD4 look much better then SOCOM Confrontation.

I second this

sad thing is....ur 100% right. Sure i hate this game cause its on PS3, but u actually made a nice argument to make people stay away from this....and WAIT for the definitive SOCOM.

It is Socom 2 in HD. Slant Six said Zipper is not working on Socom 4, but we will see.

Okay so after watching some gameplay over at gametrailers.com I really believe that the Socom franchise is taking a turn for the worse. Now before you cows start flamming me and saying I am just a big stupid lemming listen to what I have to say.

I played and love Socom 1,2 and 3, those where some of the first shooters (aside from Golden Eye and Perfect dark for the N64) that I got into. I loved the campaign and the tactical appraoch the game had, along with its stellar graphics (for the time). Now with the new game startin to see more media coverage I am very dissapointed with a couple of things:

1. The graphics, for a next gen game on the PS3 the graphics should be much better then what the video is showing you. Sure maybe its not the finished product but don't expect a complete overhaul at least not without a large delay in the release. I understand their primary focus in the multiplayer and they want to make it good but that is no excuse for graphics that look like PS2 graphics in HD.

2. No single player, The first 3 games in the series where from of my favorite shooter singleplayer ever. The addition of the headset with tactical commands was fantastic and lots of fun. I really dislike the fact that they removed this aspect of the game in hopes to create an "amazing multiplayer experience", They are trying do draw away from their roots and that is my final issue with the game...

3. Where is the tactical aspect? After watching clip after clip on gametrailers I realised the game was no longer a tactical style of shooter Socom was known for and was now a run and gun no better then Halo.

I am seriously dissapointed and think this game is going to be a huge failure, I can only hope the devs will learn form this and go back to their roots on the next socom game.

APOLLOCJD

socom looked ugly on the ps2 and it looks ugly on ps3, who's suprised?

the only single player i finished in a socom game was in 3 where you unlocked new weopons.

Tactical?, who's fault is that?, the player who is playing or the games?

I thought this was just going to be another GT P type game until the real game comes out next year?Hyde006

It is. I think zipper is making the 4th one.

1. The graphics are fine.

2. Multiplayer SOCOM >>>>>>>>>> Single-player SOCOM

3. They are really expanding on the whole Clan based approach (something I wish Socom 2 did). It is awesome.

Slant Six has said they are huge fans of Socom 2 and are really trying to bring an updated version of that experience to PS3 owners. Socom 2 was the best in the series.

1. The graphics are fine.

2. Multiplayer SOCOM >>>>>>>>>> Single-player SOCOM

3. They are really expanding on the whole Clan based approach (something I wish Socom 2 did). It is awesome.

Slant Six has said they are huge fans of Socom 2 and are really trying to bring an updated version of that experience to PS3 owners. Socom 2 was the best in the series.

CStheGreat

the graphics could be much better....since its a PS3 game and all.

2. So ur defending a developer for taking out SP, one of the jewels of the franchise? ur defending laziness?

3. For an online multiplayer, to have no good ranking system is downright criminal.

I agree, I loved the Socom series on PS2 (even the Fireteam Bravo series for PSP), but this is taking it a turn for the worst.Frexie

I still play one of the Socom games most of the time, even after getting any other game I seem to go back to one of these games. But this one with the on-line only feature and the way the game seems to play is just not anything like Socom. I may or may not get this game.

Any info on how many maps, weapons, game modes, customization, etc.? Because if it lacks those, then yeah, Socom Confrontation maybe another PS3 disappointment.

Any info on how many maps, weapons, game modes, customization, etc.? Because if it lacks those, then yeah, Socom Confrontation maybe another PS3 disappointment.

ReverseCycology

You obviously havent played Socom 2 online. *Sigh*

[QUOTE="CStheGreat"]

1. The graphics are fine.

2. Multiplayer SOCOM >>>>>>>>>> Single-player SOCOM

3. They are really expanding on the whole Clan based approach (something I wish Socom 2 did). It is awesome.

Slant Six has said they are huge fans of Socom 2 and are really trying to bring an updated version of that experience to PS3 owners. Socom 2 was the best in the series.

-GhostMLD-

the graphics could be much better....since its a PS3 game and all.

2. So ur defending a developer for taking out SP, one of the jewels of the franchise? ur defending laziness?

3. For an online multiplayer, to have no good ranking system is downright criminal.

Ermm SIngle Player has never been a Jewel in the series soo i donno what your talking about :|. And soo what if the graphics ain't OMG photo realistic? like geez as long as it looks good enough and people enjoy it thats fine.

Any info on how many maps, weapons, game modes, customization, etc.? Because if it lacks those, then yeah, Socom Confrontation maybe another PS3 disappointment.

ReverseCycology

Supposedly their are 7 maps, including Crossroads from SOCOM II and 7 different games modes per map. As for customization, it ranges from weapons to uniforms. If you are in a clan, apparently a clan uniform can be created.

Wow man, I actually disagree with you on every point. I think it looks great graphically, I was actually impressed with how it looked. I expected less.

The story mode is kinda a toss up for me. I never played SOCOM campaigns, I jumped straight into the online... which is something I dont do often. So no SP in this game doesnt affect me, just makes it cheaper, lol. I understand it might upset some people.

And lastly, I never remember SOCOM being super tactical, and I dont think the videos have shown anything much different than what I used to experince on SOCOM 2.

Anyway, SOCOM is/was actually my most anticipated game this year behind MGS4 because I think it looks awesome. It'll be my new online addiction... after COD4. :)

I played all of them as well and i disagree. I think you're wrong (to TC). 1. The graphics look great. Nothing wrong with the game looks. They do not look like PS2 graphics in HD. Get your eyes checked. 2. Tactical? Yes, Socom has always been tactical...depending on who you're playing with. It always matters who you're playing with online. Therefore, it's a useless point. 3. Single player is awlays welcome but the majority of my time was spent in the multiplayer. Frankly, i'd rather them make the multiplayer phenomenal then spend time on single player since most of my time will be spent in MP.

It's going to be a great game for Socom players. I'm just glad you can change the camera from the newer over the shoulder view to the classic Socom camera.