Solid state drive for gaming? Not worth it.

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#101 04dcarraher
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@jun_aka_pekto:

Its not really like cache in the sense of being a buffer. the drive's controller has to learn whats being used most often then it stores the most used stuff onto to the ssd part and the rest on the mechanical part.

Recording gameplay/video would not see any of the advantage of the ssd part of the sshd. Your best bet for recording without hitches is to have a dedicated drive just for that purpose. Having to accessing game data while recording on the same drive would cause the harddrive thrashing even on a sshd.

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#102  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@R4gn4r0k said:

Good advice, my laptop uses an SSHD and it delivers SSD speeds at times.

But aren't SSHD more prone to breaking? I mean they have more parts after all.

No more than any other mechanical harddrive. I know seagate's firecuda sshd's come with a 5 year warranty.

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#103  Edited By jun_aka_pekto
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@04dcarraher said:

@jun_aka_pekto:

Its not really like cache in the sense of being a buffer. the drive's controller has to learn whats being used most often then it stores the most used stuff onto to the ssd part and the rest on the mechanical part.

Recording gameplay/video would not see any of the advantage of the ssd part of the sshd. Your best bet for recording without hitches is to have a dedicated drive just for that purpose. Having to accessing game data while recording on the same drive would cause the harddrive thrashing even on a sshd.

I do have a dedicated HDD just for receiving recorded video. The OS is on the SSD while the game is on a second HDD. I think having only 8 GB of RAM is one reason for the lag spikes.

My next PC will have a similar storage layout although it'll have an SSD and two SSHD plus a lot of RAM.

If that doesn't work, I'll just have to accept the STALKER X-Ray engine is crappy. ;)

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#104 R4gn4r0k
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@04dcarraher: thanks for the advice !

Honestly I've never had a mechanical HDD break in my life. I've heard of so many people losing data on HDDs, usb sticks, sd cards,... you name it and I've heard people have it crash. Yet I've probably owned half a dozen PCs in my life so far with two, three times that amount of HDDs and I've never lost a single byte of data :)

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#105 04dcarraher
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@R4gn4r0k:

I've seen normal drives die within a couple of hours to lasting over ten years. But the average lifespan of mechanical drives that I've seen personally is 6-8 years before you run into any real issue

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#107 with_teeth26
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@sonic_spark said:
@with_teeth26 said:

I disagree, the difference it makes in load and startup times is often night and day.

what i do personally, is put the games I'm currently playing a lot of on my SSDs, and move the games I might only play once in a while to my regular HDD. its not like you need your entire steam library installed at once.

Is that a pain to move them back and forth?

well if I'm being honest, I'll just re-download the game onto a different HDD since I have pretty fast internet

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#108 jun_aka_pekto
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@Yams1980 said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

Honestly I've never had a mechanical HDD break in my life. I've heard of so many people losing data on HDDs, usb sticks, sd cards,... you name it and I've heard people have it crash. Yet I've probably owned half a dozen PCs in my life so far with two, three times that amount of HDDs and I've never lost a single byte of data :)

wow you're lucky, i wish I had even half your luck. I have literally a shelf filled with broken hard drives. Probably around 12+ at least. I've thrown a few away but i keep them now as just a nice catalog of hard drives i've had over the years. I've got dead hard drives from pcs from the early 90s like a 120mb drive from a 386 pc.

All my ssd's from as early as 2009 still work. A couple have reported in diagnostics that they have a few relocated sectors but have passed scans, so probably just a common thing as sectors become unusable due to wear and just aren't used any more. All those moving parts is where the failure comes usually. I did have 1 hard drive die from a lightening strike but the rest were dead due to mechanical problems.

I think the oldest drive i have shows a run time in its smart data for over 5 years run time, which is great but i've retired it as a main drive though.

Mechanical drives are ticking time bombs, you never know when they are gonna just go off and die.

I'm in the same spot as he is. It's very seldom for the hard drives I have to simply go bad. If they do go bad, it's usually after at least, 8 years of use. As hard drives wear out, they usually get louder. It's a sign to start looking for a new storage drive. Within the last 17 years, I've had only two hard drives die on me. One was a 3.5" 2001 IDE Maxtor 120 GB 10,000RPM HDD. Another was an 2.5" IDE 2005 WD 60 GB USB HDD. The Maxtor died in 2010. The 2.5" WD died in 2013. The latter had been dropped a few times. So, it was bound to go bad sooner.

In the meantime, I have older 4 GB from the late 90's and a number of 100-250 GB IDE hard drives as spares. They're useless in this age of terabyte storage and SATA. I'll be getting rid of them soon.

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#109 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@xantufrog: I am tempted in getting another 1TB for RAID 0 but I don't need it, I have like 13 games installed and all I play is 2 of them right now regularly.

@R4gn4r0k said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Test the waters out, buy a SSD or M.2 drive for your OS... and then install your favourite MP game on it, then find out if the load times are worth the price.

Me I went with a SSD for OS and SSHD for gaming.

I would like to add... Get a SSHD, seriously its close to SSD load times for games and at fraction of the cost. My Firecuda cost me £65 and is drastically faster than my Barracuda HDD when it comes to loading in to BF1 and PUBG.

Good advice, my laptop uses an SSHD and it delivers SSD speeds at times.

But aren't SSHD more prone to breaking? I mean they have more parts after all.

I don't know, people said SSD's would deteriorate in performance after years of use yet my SSD is almost 5 years in and still works like brand new.

@04dcarraher said:
@jun_aka_pekto said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Test the waters out, buy a SSD or M.2 drive for your OS... and then install your favourite MP game on it, then find out if the load times are worth the price.

Me I went with a SSD for OS and SSHD for gaming.

I would like to add... Get a SSHD, seriously its close to SSD load times for games and at fraction of the cost. My Firecuda cost me £65 and is drastically faster than my Barracuda HDD when it comes to loading in to BF1 and PUBG.

Good advice. ;)

Note that with those hybrid drives you dont see the solid state performance gains until you run the same program/files a few times .... its when the most accessed stuff is stored onto the SSD portion of the harddrive is when you see the gains.

Pretty much, so if you play BF1 today for 3 rounds of conquest or something... First load will be faster than a HDD but not as fast as a SSD, the second will get closer to SSD and the third map will be borderline indistinguishable from a SSD unless you get a stop watch out.

Worst case you still have something noticeably faster than a HDD but almost the same price, to me even the first boot with PUBG is borderline the same as a SSD.

I am really looking forward to see what comes next in the SSHD world, maybe they will double or triple the Cache to 16-24GB.

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#110 04dcarraher
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@04dcarraher said:
@jun_aka_pekto said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Test the waters out, buy a SSD or M.2 drive for your OS... and then install your favourite MP game on it, then find out if the load times are worth the price.

Me I went with a SSD for OS and SSHD for gaming.

I would like to add... Get a SSHD, seriously its close to SSD load times for games and at fraction of the cost. My Firecuda cost me £65 and is drastically faster than my Barracuda HDD when it comes to loading in to BF1 and PUBG.

Good advice. ;)

Note that with those hybrid drives you dont see the solid state performance gains until you run the same program/files a few times .... its when the most accessed stuff is stored onto the SSD portion of the harddrive is when you see the gains.


I am really looking forward to see what comes next in the SSHD world, maybe they will double or triple the Cache to 16-24GB.

It would be nice to see the ssd storage jump to a minimum of 32gb and go as high as 128gb as an option.

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#111  Edited By R4gn4r0k
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

I don't know, people said SSD's would deteriorate in performance after years of use yet my SSD is almost 5 years in and still works like brand new.

Pretty much, so if you play BF1 today for 3 rounds of conquest or something... First load will be faster than a HDD but not as fast as a SSD, the second will get closer to SSD and the third map will be borderline indistinguishable from a SSD unless you get a stop watch out.

Worst case you still have something noticeably faster than a HDD but almost the same price, to me even the first boot with PUBG is borderline the same as a SSD.

I am really looking forward to see what comes next in the SSHD world, maybe they will double or triple the Cache to 16-24GB.

So basically what I'm reading here is: You can install pretty much all your games on an SSHD, but when you play a game a lot the drive will recognize that and put the data on the Solid State part, resulting in better loader times.

Sounds like you don't even manually have to install your most played games on an SSD anymore, pretty cool !

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#112 Vaidream45
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Yeah i run most of my games off a 4tb usb 3.0 external drive and it does great. I leave my ssd just for windows alone. I’m in the minority here but I don’t care. It works great for me.

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#113  Edited By Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@R4gn4r0k said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

I don't know, people said SSD's would deteriorate in performance after years of use yet my SSD is almost 5 years in and still works like brand new.

Pretty much, so if you play BF1 today for 3 rounds of conquest or something... First load will be faster than a HDD but not as fast as a SSD, the second will get closer to SSD and the third map will be borderline indistinguishable from a SSD unless you get a stop watch out.

Worst case you still have something noticeably faster than a HDD but almost the same price, to me even the first boot with PUBG is borderline the same as a SSD.

I am really looking forward to see what comes next in the SSHD world, maybe they will double or triple the Cache to 16-24GB.

So basically what I'm reading here is: You can install pretty much all your games on an SSHD, but when you play a game a lot the drive will recognize that and put the data on the Solid State part, resulting in better loader times.

Sounds like you don't even manually have to install your most played games on an SSD anymore, pretty cool !

I wasn't sold at first but needed a more strorage and the Fircuda SSHD was £5 cheaper than a 1TB WD Black so I just went for it, at first I didn't move PUBG and BF1 onto the SSHD but I noticed that Fallout 4 loading so much quicker than my old HDD that I ended up uninstalling my games from SSD and moved them to the SSHD and I don't regret it at all. I wish I got the 2TB version.

Here are my benchmarks for my storage devices:

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#114 R4gn4r0k
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: Thanks for sharing ! I will definitely look into this.

At first I was thinking of going with 2xSSD for my next setup, but I'd probably be better to get 1 SSD for the OS, one SSHD for games and then put in my 2 HDDs from my current PC because I'll want lots of storage too :D

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#115 HalcyonScarlet
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@AdobeArtist said:

Since when has gaming been the deciding factor in SSD's for PC builds? The common practice to have them just as the boot drive with Windows, and maybe a couple of select applications that are used on a regular basis. In my case with my 256 GB, I also have the Adobe Suite and my web browser installed on that. Then it's the mass storage mechanical drives for the rest of the general purpose programs and of course personal files.

This is well known because of the cost, the budget breakdown of just getting an SSD of sufficient size for those essentials, and the largest mass storage you can afford, or getting additional HDD's down the road. I'm sure games do get a performance benefit from SSD speeds, and while you can swap games in and out between that and the mass storage drive as needed for what you're currently playing, last I checked it isn't good for the long term life of the SSD.

What are the rules on reopening a thread over a month old exactly? :-S

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I'll say this. Try a Western Digital Black HDD. The performance with games is great. Everything is so fast. SDDs are over the top with games. For the same price, you can get multi terabyte WD B HDDs. AdobeArtist I do the same thing. A 250GB SSD for OS and programs and HDDs for storage and with a WD B for games and instrument samples.

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#116 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@R4gn4r0k said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: Thanks for sharing ! I will definitely look into this.

At first I was thinking of going with 2xSSD for my next setup, but I'd probably be better to get 1 SSD for the OS, one SSHD for games and then put in my 2 HDDs from my current PC because I'll want lots of storage too :D

Price/performance its the best mass storage option to go with right now, till 1TB SSD's hit the $100-150 price range they are just not worth it for gaming storage unless your wallet is unlimited for gaming.

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#117  Edited By APiranhaAteMyVa
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I agree with consoles, its not worth it. For PC though the difference is huge.

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#118  Edited By clone01
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@drlostrib said:

Nah, they're pretty great

I agree.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:

What are the rules on reopening a thread over a month old exactly? :-S

The rules are, it shouldn't be done. And when a mod posts in a necro thread, even if he wasn't the one to bump it or notice the OP date on it, he has to self flog himself.

Soooooooo..... this is gonna get messy ?