Some developers want game endings to be DLC?!

The secondary market is a huge issue in the United States. Our primary retailer makes the majority of its money off of secondary sales, and so you're starting to see games taking proactive steps toward that by… if you buy the retail version you get the unlock code. I've talked to some developers who are saying 'If you want to fight the final boss you go online and pay USD 20, but if you bought the retail version you got it for free'. We don't make any money when someone rents it, and we don't make any money when someone buys it used - way more than twice as many people played Gears than bought it. - Epic Games' President Mike Capps

lame. so we pay £40 for a new game. pay for standard dlc and pay for endings....

whats next? pay to see the intro? pay to start the game up?

epic can stuff themselves. i hope the gamign community laughs in their faces

If this happens I might pick up a new hobby...like tennis or something.

Gaming is getting way too expensive and they look like they just want to squeeze more money out of us.

lame. so we pay £40 for a new game. pay for standard dlc and pay for endings....

whats next? pay to see the intro? pay to start the game up?

epic can stuff themselves. i hope the gamign community laughs in their faces

superjim42

I could see that...You pay half price at the store than the other half when you get home 

[QUOTE="superjim42"]

lame. so we pay £40 for a new game. pay for standard dlc and pay for endings....

whats next? pay to see the intro? pay to start the game up?

epic can stuff themselves. i hope the gamign community laughs in their faces

HarlockJC

I could see that...You pay half price at the store than the other half when you get home

lol and you wouldnt mind?

the hassle will be too much.

if you buy a bunch of games you will pay half price at the store pay half price once you get home and for each game do this.....

LAME

There's already a Sony game that's doing this and it's called Siren.  You just can't pay for one episode, you have to pay for all the episodes and the episode with the ending just to see the ending.  I hope it doesn't become a trend.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="superjim42"]

lame. so we pay £40 for a new game. pay for standard dlc and pay for endings....

whats next? pay to see the intro? pay to start the game up?

epic can stuff themselves. i hope the gamign community laughs in their faces

superjim42

I could see that...You pay half price at the store than the other half when you get home

lol and you wouldnt mind?

the hassle will be too much.

if you buy a bunch of games you will pay half price at the store pay half price once you get home and for each game do this.....

LAME

The question would be what would they do for the people who do not have Internet for their consoles.  

exactly if you dont have psn or live and you cant access the online services to make payments etc....

epic games really didnt think this through did they? they just had a money making idea and blindly pursued it....

once again LAME

If this happens I might pick up a new hobby...like tennis or something.

Gaming is getting way too expensive and they look like they just want to squeeze more money out of us.

verbalfilth

Tennis is an awesome sport, I highly recommend it.

And yeah this is just getting ridiculous. The game industry just keeps spiraling downwards these days.

Great idea.

It's about time developers take a stand against resellers.

We saw it earlier this week with Nintendo and Wii Speak, and now we're seeing it from a top-tier developer.

Hopefully more people in the industry take a stand as well. 

lame. so we pay £40 for a new game. pay for standard dlc and pay for endings....

whats next? pay to see the intro? pay to start the game up?

epic can stuff themselves. i hope the gamign community laughs in their faces

superjim42

that's not what he said.  he said if you bought a retail copy, you'd get the ending for free.  it's only for rentals/resales.  Still sucks though

Sounds like a perfect idea. You buy the game, you get the ending for free. You pirate the game, you have to pay extra for the ending. Only people complaining would be the pirates.stappy

Precisely.

The industry needs to take a stand against pirates, and this seems like it'll help.

Developers are losing a lot on their games, and it's hurting the industry.

Great idea.

It's about time developers take a stand against resellers.

We saw it earlier this week with Nintendo and Wii Speak, and now we're seeing it from a top-tier developer.

Hopefully more people in the industry take a stand as well. 

AlexSays

You cannot be serious

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Great idea.

It's about time developers take a stand against resellers.

We saw it earlier this week with Nintendo and Wii Speak, and now we're seeing it from a top-tier developer.

Hopefully more people in the industry take a stand as well. 

SpruceCaboose

You cannot be serious

So you'd rather have developers completely stop making money because about 70% of the gamers pirate their games? I'd even say the majority of the people on GameSpot pirates their games. Why? Because they're too goddamn spoiled by their parents, and expect to get everything for free.

[QUOTE="stappy"]Sounds like a perfect idea. You buy the game, you get the ending for free. You pirate the game, you have to pay extra for the ending. Only people complaining would be the pirates.AlexSays

Precisely.

The industry needs to take a stand against pirates, and this seems like it'll help.

Developers are losing a lot on their games, and it's hurting the industry.

Its not a stand against piracy, its a stand against renting;/buying second handed games. Epic said they're not making money on renters and people who buy second handed and they think this DLC idea might change the landscape. 

I think its stupid because 1:

games that rely on MP are not affected.

gamers who cant get on the internet are screwed. 

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Great idea.

It's about time developers take a stand against resellers.

We saw it earlier this week with Nintendo and Wii Speak, and now we're seeing it from a top-tier developer.

Hopefully more people in the industry take a stand as well. 

SpruceCaboose

You cannot be serious

Well with such an intelligent response, I'm starting to lean the other way.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

[QUOTE="stappy"]Sounds like a perfect idea. You buy the game, you get the ending for free. You pirate the game, you have to pay extra for the ending. Only people complaining would be the pirates.IshmaelSonata

Precisely.

The industry needs to take a stand against pirates, and this seems like it'll help.

Developers are losing a lot on their games, and it's hurting the industry.

Its not a stand against piracy, its a stand against renting;/buying second handed games. Epic said they're not making money on renters and people who buy second handed and they think this DLC idea might change the landscape. 

Why should developers stand by while people rent/complete their games for only a fraction of what they should pay?

Renting should be a test for if you actually want to buy a game or not.

Renting a game, completing it, and never considering a purchase is screwing the developer. 

[QUOTE="stappy"]Sounds like a perfect idea. You buy the game, you get the ending for free. You pirate the game, you have to pay extra for the ending. Only people complaining would be the pirates.AlexSays

Precisely.

The industry needs to take a stand against pirates, and this seems like it'll help.

Developers are losing a lot on their games, and it's hurting the industry.

Its not pirates. Its anyone that rents or buys used as well.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

[QUOTE="stappy"]Sounds like a perfect idea. You buy the game, you get the ending for free. You pirate the game, you have to pay extra for the ending. Only people complaining would be the pirates.SpruceCaboose

Precisely.

The industry needs to take a stand against pirates, and this seems like it'll help.

Developers are losing a lot on their games, and it's hurting the industry.

Its not pirates. Its anyone that rents or buys used as well.

Yeah I know.

But if a person rents a game, completes it, and never buys it, does that benefit the developer?

And if a person buys a game, and sells it to someone else, does the developer get any of that money? 

This seems like a way of ensuring developers get more money for their product, which can only be a good thing. 

Yeah I know.

But if a person rents a game, completes it, and never buys it, does that benefit the developer?

And if a person buys a game, and sells it to someone else, does the developer get any of that money? 

This seems like a way of ensuring developers get more money for their product, which can only be a good thing. 

AlexSays

Rental companies pay rental fees, so yes. As for buying used, once I buy a game, its mine. I can do what I want with it, not what the developer says I can do. This will strangle gaming.

They could combat the second hand market by steadily lowering their price...

If there's only a $5 difference between new and used, I'll get the new one.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Great idea.

It's about time developers take a stand against resellers.

We saw it earlier this week with Nintendo and Wii Speak, and now we're seeing it from a top-tier developer.

Hopefully more people in the industry take a stand as well.

SpruceCaboose

You cannot be serious

THIS

how can anyone say its a good idea?

some ppl cant afford to buy full games let along have to extra to see an ending...WTF?!

ppl rent games when they are in doubt of a quality of a game.

would you expect universal studios to make you pay to watch the ending of a movie you rented from blockbusters? of course not.

this idea is just plain dumb and i hope epic games fails at this

I don't see what the problem is, just buy new games and you get the whole game, the fact is devs see used games as the same thing as piracy since when you buy a $40 used game from eb you are not support the dev but giving all your money to eb only for them to continue to rip you off with over priced used games, things to stop overpriced used games sound good to me, 5% difference between new and used is a joke. imprezawrx500

Not everyone can afford new games, and not everyone buys used from GameStop

If it only affects the people that pirate games then I'm all for it.  They could pay for the ending while regular folks who bought the game gets to experience the full game.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Great idea.

It's about time developers take a stand against resellers.

We saw it earlier this week with Nintendo and Wii Speak, and now we're seeing it from a top-tier developer.

Hopefully more people in the industry take a stand as well. 

SpruceCaboose

You cannot be serious

it is a good idea, if you buy used you don't support the dev are are effectivly pirating the game, one game sold 20 time is like 20 downloads from file sharing sites.  you can't defend used games in any way to say its not bad for the dev its only good for eb which would probably die pretty fast without used games. 

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Great idea.

It's about time developers take a stand against resellers.

We saw it earlier this week with Nintendo and Wii Speak, and now we're seeing it from a top-tier developer.

Hopefully more people in the industry take a stand as well.

imprezawrx500

You cannot be serious

it is a good idea, if you buy used you don't support the dev are are effectivly pirating the game, one game sold 20 time is like 20 downloads from file sharing sites. you can't defend used games in any way to say its not bad for the dev its only good for eb which would probably die pretty fast without used games.

did you just say buying a used game = piracy?!

:lol:

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Great idea.

It's about time developers take a stand against resellers.

We saw it earlier this week with Nintendo and Wii Speak, and now we're seeing it from a top-tier developer.

Hopefully more people in the industry take a stand as well.

imprezawrx500

You cannot be serious

it is a good idea, if you buy used you don't support the dev are are effectivly pirating the game, one game sold 20 time is like 20 downloads from file sharing sites. you can't defend used games in any way to say its not bad for the dev its only good for eb which would probably die pretty fast without used games.

If buying used games is the same as pirating them, then purchasing items at a garage sale is the same as stealing.

In both circumstances the result is the same for the manufacturer.

[QUOTE="stappy"]Sounds like a perfect idea. You buy the game, you get the ending for free. You pirate the game, you have to pay extra for the ending. Only people complaining would be the pirates.AlexSays

Precisely.

The industry needs to take a stand against pirates, and this seems like it'll help.

Developers are losing a lot on their games, and it's hurting the industry.

what makes you think the ending can't be pirated?

If there is a rule for how much retailers can sell used games for, it'll do much more than what the DLC can do. If used games are consitently slightly cheaper than new games, more people will buy new games. But its not always the case because theres alot of variation within a store and theres also Ebay and Amazon.

I still think that Game devs are trying to attempt the reverse. If theres more incentives to buying new games, it'll work much better than punishment for purchasing used. some sort of dlc bonus that doesnt even cost money like the flashback map pack for Gears 2. 

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Yeah I know.

But if a person rents a game, completes it, and never buys it, does that benefit the developer?

And if a person buys a game, and sells it to someone else, does the developer get any of that money?

This seems like a way of ensuring developers get more money for their product, which can only be a good thing.

SpruceCaboose

Rental companies pay rental fees, so yes. As for buying used, once I buy a game, its mine. I can do what I want with it, not what the developer says I can do. This will strangle gaming.

Do those rental fees amount to the same as purchasing the game new?

And it doesn't matter what your rights are as a consumer. You're still screwing the developers by letting someone else play the game without paying.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Yeah I know.

But if a person rents a game, completes it, and never buys it, does that benefit the developer?

And if a person buys a game, and sells it to someone else, does the developer get any of that money?

This seems like a way of ensuring developers get more money for their product, which can only be a good thing.

AlexSays

Rental companies pay rental fees, so yes. As for buying used, once I buy a game, its mine. I can do what I want with it, not what the developer says I can do. This will strangle gaming.

Do those rental fees amount to the same as purchasing the game new?

And it doesn't matter what your rights are as a consumer. You're still screwing the developers by letting someone else play the game without paying.

thats not our problem. its the company who sells used games problem.

BUT its a perfectley legal thing to do.

I don't see what the problem is, just buy new games and you get the whole game, the fact is devs see used games as the same thing as piracy since when you buy a $40 used game from eb you are not support the dev but giving all your money to eb only for them to continue to rip you off with over priced used games, things to stop overpriced used games sound good to me, 5% difference between new and used is a joke. imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Yeah I know.

But if a person rents a game, completes it, and never buys it, does that benefit the developer?

And if a person buys a game, and sells it to someone else, does the developer get any of that money?

This seems like a way of ensuring developers get more money for their product, which can only be a good thing.

AlexSays

Rental companies pay rental fees, so yes. As for buying used, once I buy a game, its mine. I can do what I want with it, not what the developer says I can do. This will strangle gaming.

Do those rental fees amount to the same as purchasing the game new?

And it doesn't matter what your rights are as a consumer. You're still screwing the developers by letting someone else play the game without paying.

Hopefully you realize that distributors sell those copies for the expressed purpose of renting them out. When Blockbuster buys a game to rent out, they don't run to Best Buy and purchase a $60 copy. They order a "Rental Copy" for a much higher price.

And, obviously, the developers and distributors are aware of and allow these transactions. Otherwise they wouldn't offer such licenses to begin with.

thats not our problem. its the company who sells used games problem.

superjim42

Exactly.

Which is why those companies are wanting to stop this problem.

I don't blame them. I wouldn't want people using my product without paying me either.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="AlexSays"]

Yeah I know.

But if a person rents a game, completes it, and never buys it, does that benefit the developer?

And if a person buys a game, and sells it to someone else, does the developer get any of that money?

This seems like a way of ensuring developers get more money for their product, which can only be a good thing.

AlexSays

Rental companies pay rental fees, so yes. As for buying used, once I buy a game, its mine. I can do what I want with it, not what the developer says I can do. This will strangle gaming.

Do those rental fees amount to the same as purchasing the game new?

And it doesn't matter what your rights are as a consumer. You're still screwing the developers by letting someone else play the game without paying.

They do this, and I bet you the game industry will die.

I for one would be more inclined to pirate to "teach them a lesson" as opposed to supporting these very unfair practices. I always support developers, but if they want to treat me like a criminal, I will act like one.

[QUOTE="superjim42

thats not our problem. its the company who sells used games problem.

AlexSays

Exactly.

Which is why those companies are wanting to stop this problem.

I don't blame them. I wouldn't want people using my product without paying me either.

yes but the fact stands that not every one can afford brand new £40-50, $50-60 games

used games is a better option for some.

my library consists of half being used games

Sounds like a perfect idea. You buy the game, you get the ending for free. You pirate the game, you have to pay extra for the ending. Only people complaining would be the pirates.stappy

Well, until they pirate the ending, and then only people who rented the game get screwed...