Some site called Gamercell gave Little Big Planet a 70.

This is why people don't trust sites like Gamerankings and metacritic.  They let any no name web site with an opinion throw up outlandish numbers.  Are there even any lemmings on this forum who would say Little Big Planet is a mediocre game?  I mean sure, some may not like the genre, or the style, but to say it's not a good game?

This is why we use Gamespot here.  I think we can all agree on that.  Gamespot is almost always fair and even when some of us may disagree with them I don't think they've ever done anything as crazy and rate something a 70 that every other review site has given a 90 or higher.

This is why people don't trust sites like Gamerankings and metacritic.  They let any no name web site with an opinion throw up outlandish numbers.  Are there even any lemmings on this forum who would say Little Big Planet is a mediocre game?  I mean sure, some may not like the genre, or the style, but to say it's not a good game?

 

This is why we use Gamespot here.  I think we can all agree on that.  Gamespot is almost always fair and even when some of us may disagree with them I don't think they've ever done anything as crazy and rate something a 70 that every other review site has given a 90 or higher.

 

 

Xalaten

Ratchet and Clank?

so? that 70 rating will barely bring down the average for LBP. i dont see what the problem is...

apparently some people here only consider reviews that agree with each other as credible

So because a site gives an opinion that you do not agree with means its outlandish. Guess I'm outlandish as well as I would give GTAIV an 8 instead of a 10. Guess anyone who doesn't think MGS4 is around a 10 is also outlandish. Hell I'll go as far as to say that if your opinion isn't the same as everyone elses then your opinion is outlandish. Everyone should have the same exact taste in opinion in games.Blackbond

There's a difference between having a different taste in games and saying something is not a quality game that obviously is.

I don't like Ninja Gaiden.  Hate it.  That doesn't mean it's not a great game.  I agree that it is if you're into that sort of thing.

You can not like a game yet still agree it's a good game.

As much as I HATE Halo, I do believe it is a good game.  I just think it's overrated.  That doesn't mean I don't think it's a solid 8.5 or even 9.  

If EVERYONE thinkgs something is a good game and one site says it's not a good game, guess whose opinion has more weight to it?

If you don't read the review, it's pointless. There's no reason to use Metacetric if you arn't going to read about 50 reviews. That's why you should only use a few sources. That way you can determine whether or not the review is actually half decent, and then take the score in to consideration.WasntAvailable

This is why I only use Gamespot, IGN and Gametrailers.

By the way to the person who said "it's called an opinion".  Opinions can be used irresponsibly.  It's obvious to anyone who is breathing including people who don't like platformers that Little Big Planet is a great game.  It may not be YOUR cup of tea, but it's still a great game.  You CAN review something while being both subjective and objective.  That is how all reviews should be done.

People often use reviews as a buying guide.  In my opinion PROFESSIONAL reviewers should not let personal bias into the equation.  Sites like consumer reports and Cnet do not allow personal bias into their reviews.  Most gaming sites, unfortunately, do.  

so? that 70 rating will barely bring down the average for LBP. i dont see what the problem is...

apparently some people here only consider reviews that agree with each other as credible

ogvampire

It dropped it out of the top 15 actually to 18.  So yes, it killed it.  Before if you took out multplats like Orange Box and only put it in once, LBP was top 10.  Now it's almost dropping out of the top 20 yes, because of one review.  

So because a site gives an opinion that you do not agree with means its outlandish. Guess I'm outlandish as well as I would give GTAIV an 8 instead of a 10. Guess anyone who doesn't think MGS4 is around a 10 is also outlandish. Hell I'll go as far as to say that if your opinion isn't the same as everyone elses then your opinion is outlandish. Everyone should have the same exact taste in opinion in games.Blackbond

Opinions can be considered outlandish, but they're still as valid as thoughs that aren't considered outlandish. All you have to do is have an opinion that differs from the majority.

Outlandish isn't necessarily bad though as the TC makes it seem.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]If you don't read the review, it's pointless. There's no reason to use Metacetric if you arn't going to read about 50 reviews. That's why you should only use a few sources. That way you can determine whether or not the review is actually half decent, and then take the score in to consideration.Xalaten

This is why I only use Gamespot, IGN and Gametrailers.

By the way to the person who said "it's called an opinion".  Opinions can be used irresponsibly.  It's obvious to anyone who is breathing including people who don't like platformers that Little Big Planet is a great game.  It may not be YOUR cup of tea, but it's still a great game.  You CAN review something while being both subjective and objective.  That is how all reviews should be done.

People often use reviews as a buying guide.  In my opinion PROFESSIONAL reviewers should not let personal bias into the equation.  Sites like consumer reports and Cnet do not allow personal bias into their reviews.  Most gaming sites, unfortunately, do.  

not everybody thinks that LBP is the greatest game, you know

some people think its just ok, like me.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

so? that 70 rating will barely bring down the average for LBP. i dont see what the problem is...

apparently some people here only consider reviews that agree with each other as credible

Xalaten

It dropped it out of the top 15 actually to 18.  So yes, it killed it.  Before if you took out multplats like Orange Box and only put it in once, LBP was top 10.  Now it's almost dropping out of the top 20 yes, because of one review.  

are you more worried about enjoying the actual game or what it averages on GR? :|

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

so? that 70 rating will barely bring down the average for LBP. i dont see what the problem is...

apparently some people here only consider reviews that agree with each other as credible

Xalaten

It dropped it out of the top 15 actually to 18. So yes, it killed it. Before if you took out multplats like Orange Box and only put it in once, LBP was top 10. Now it's almost dropping out of the top 20 yes, because of one review.

AND THAT'S A FACT

I think a 70/100 is a good score for that game.

I dont get your logic. SO just beause reviews sites give the game a 9+ means someone or another site cant give it anything lower? 

I was skimming through this review and I almost completely disagree with it. Here's the 'Best bits vs Worst bits' part:

Best Bits
- It looks incredible
- Sackboy is fully customisable
- Stephen Fry's narration
- Some genius level design
- Playing a good level designed by another player
- Two player co-op is fun

Worst Bits
- Campaign mode can be frustrating
- It'll take a lot of time to collect all the available tools
- Creating levels is time consuming
- Not enough quality from the community yet
- Death by tutorial!
- Not very accessible to kids or the more casual gamers out there

From: http://www.gamecell.co.uk/PS3/Little_Big_Planet.htm

Here's what I think of the Worst Bits:

1. A time consuming level usually equals a quality level
2. It takes time to get everything in any game
3. Giving a game a negative for its community is kinda lame
4. The tutorials are more than necessary in order to create quality levels more effeciently
5. I think not being accessible to kids should be on psoitives; less whiny brats online (jk)

Of course, this is all opinion.

Oh noes, someone gave a hyped game a score that's lower than the "majority consensus", they must be doing it for the traffic... :roll:

There's a difference between having a different taste in games and saying something is not a quality game that obviously is. Xalaten

I love how you talk about 'obvious quality', as if there are some games that, no matter how much you may hate them, are beyond reproach.

What defines them as such? Critical consensus? Popular consensus?

Oblivion is the 3rd highest rated RPG of all time on GR (GS gave it a 9.6) but myself, and most serious RPG enthusiasts that I know, regard it as garbage, and that opinion has legitimate, well thought out reasoning behind it.

I suppose we should all just shut our damn mouths, swallow our pride, and admit that Oblivion is "teh quality" because some dumbass reviewer at IGN said so, whilst ignoring our own rational evaluations of the game...

Do you have a link to the written part of the review? Perhaps the score is justified by it. Like Eurogamer's 8/10 for MGS4.foxhound_fox

http://www.gamecell.co.uk/PS3/Little_Big_Planet.htm

Not a badly written review reall. The gist of it is that as a platformer the game is better than average, though nothing fantastic. And he's aware the level creator is the main draw to the game, but he doesn't have the patience for it as it takes a long time to make a really good level. It's a perfectly legit opinion to have, as not everyone is going to want to sit down for an hour and build a good quality level. He does question the overall quality of the shared user created levels as well, which I think can be overlooked since you can't control community built content. But overall it's not really an unjustified score.

I was skimming through this review and I almost completely disagree with it. Here's the 'Best bits vs Worst bits' part:

Best Bits
- It looks incredible
- Sackboy is fully customisable
- Stephen Fry's narration
- Some genius level design
- Playing a good level designed by another player
- Two player co-op is fun

Worst Bits
- Campaign mode can be frustrating
- It'll take a lot of time to collect all the available tools
- Creating levels is time consuming
- Not enough quality from the community yet
- Death by tutorial!
- Not very accessible to kids or the more casual gamers out there

From: http://www.gamecell.co.uk/PS3/Little_Big_Planet.htm

Here's what I think of the Worst Bits:

1. A time consuming level usually equals a quality level
2. It takes time to get everything in any game
3. Giving a game a negative for its community is kinda lame
4. The tutorials are more than necessary in order to create quality levels more effeciently
5. I think not being accessible to kids should be on psoitives; less whiny brats online (jk)

Of course, this is all opinion.

slothboyadvance

I don't think any of those points can be argued. Seems fair.

I think a 70/100 is a good score for that game.

I dont get your logic. SO just beause reviews sites give the game a 9+ means someone or another site cant give it anything lower? 

RyanShazam

Yes.  It's irresponsible and unprofessional.

Onec again, you'll never see a site like Cnet or consumer reports do something like that.  

Worst Bits
- It'll take a lot of time to collect all the available tools
- Creating levels is time consuming
- Death by tutorial!

slothboyadvance

I only played the Beta at a friend's house, but those "Worst Bits" are what really drained any love for the game. I was really looking forward to an amazing level editor that would enable people to realize their dream levels easily. But that's not what it is. If I wanted to spend 10 hours making a level, I'd have stuck with Hammer (Source games).

Oh noes, someone gave a hyped game a score that's lower than the "majority consensus", they must be doing it for the traffic... :roll:

[QUOTE="Xalaten"] There's a difference between having a different taste in games and saying something is not a quality game that obviously is. jethrovegas

I love how you talk about 'obvious quality', as if there are some games that, no matter how much you may hate them, are beyond reproach.

What defines them as such? Critical consensus? Popular consensus?

Oblivion is the 3rd highest rated RPG of all time on GR (GS gave it a 9.6) but myself, and most serious RPG enthusiasts that I know, regard it as garbage, and that opinion has legitimate, well thought out reasoning behind it.

I suppose we should all just shut our damn mouths, swallow our pride, and admit that Oblivion is "teh quality" because some dumbass reviewer at IGN said so, whilst ignoring our own rational evaluations of the game...

Nope, you shouldn't shut your mouth.  You should say whatever you want.  You are not a web site that makes money via advertising dollars and influences other people's opinions.

Look, if someone told me Godfather was a bad movie I'd say they were just as wrong as that web site.  ANYONE who thinks Godfather is a bad movie has serious issues and cannot be trusted with their viewpoints.  You may not LIKE gangster movies and that's fine, but to say it's a bad movie is entirely different.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I think a 70/100 is a good score for that game.

I dont get your logic. SO just beause reviews sites give the game a 9+ means someone or another site cant give it anything lower? 

Xalaten

Yes.  It's irresponsible and unprofessional.

Onec again, you'll never see a site like Cnet or consumer reports do something like that.  

between your complaint about this lbp review and your sig, you must be quite a walking contradiction

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I think a 70/100 is a good score for that game.

I dont get your logic. SO just beause reviews sites give the game a 9+ means someone or another site cant give it anything lower? 

ogvampire

Yes.  It's irresponsible and unprofessional.

Onec again, you'll never see a site like Cnet or consumer reports do something like that.  

between your complaint about this lbp review and your sig, you must be quite a walking contradiction

LOL 

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

Oh noes, someone gave a hyped game a score that's lower than the "majority consensus", they must be doing it for the traffic... :roll:

[QUOTE="Xalaten"] There's a difference between having a different taste in games and saying something is not a quality game that obviously is. Xalaten

I love how you talk about 'obvious quality', as if there are some games that, no matter how much you may hate them, are beyond reproach.

What defines them as such? Critical consensus? Popular consensus?

Oblivion is the 3rd highest rated RPG of all time on GR (GS gave it a 9.6) but myself, and most serious RPG enthusiasts that I know, regard it as garbage, and that opinion has legitimate, well thought out reasoning behind it.

I suppose we should all just shut our damn mouths, swallow our pride, and admit that Oblivion is "teh quality" because some dumbass reviewer at IGN said so, whilst ignoring our own rational evaluations of the game...

Nope, you shouldn't shut your mouth.  You should say whatever you want.  You are not a web site that makes money via advertising dollars and influences other people's opinions.

Look, if someone told me Godfather was a bad movie I'd say they were just as wrong as that web site.  ANYONE who thinks Godfather is a bad movie has serious issues and cannot be trusted with their viewpoints.  You may not LIKE gangster movies and that's fine, but to say it's a bad movie is entirely different.

It's called "gaming criticism" for a reason.

The only factor a reviewer should take into account when reviewing a game is his own opinion of that game; if he takes anything else into account (other reviewer's opinions, popular consensus, publisher bribes, etc.) then he's sucking someone's **** and he has no critical integrity.

Do you have a link to the written part of the review? Perhaps the score is justified by it. Like Eurogamer's 8/10 for MGS4.foxhound_fox

Exactly!

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I think a 70/100 is a good score for that game.

I dont get your logic. SO just beause reviews sites give the game a 9+ means someone or another site cant give it anything lower? 

ogvampire

Yes.  It's irresponsible and unprofessional.

Onec again, you'll never see a site like Cnet or consumer reports do something like that.  

between your complaint about this lbp review and your sig, you must be quite a walking contradiction

How come everyone can see all these sigs but I can't.  I can't even see my own sig.

Oh, and I'm not a contradiction.  I said they were overrated.  That doesn't mean they aren't good games.  Halo and Gears are 8.5 games with 9.5 hype ratins IN MY OPINION.  My opinion.  8.5 still means it's a great game, just not godly as some people believe.  

http://www.gamecell.co.uk/PS3/Little_Big_Planet.htm

 

Not a badly written review reall. The gist of it is that as a platformer the game is better than average, though nothing fantastic. And he's aware the level creator is the main draw to the game, but he doesn't have the patience for it as it takes a long time to make a really good level. It's a perfectly legit opinion to have, as not everyone is going to want to sit down for an hour and build a good quality level. He does question the overall quality of the shared user created levels as well, which I think can be overlooked since you can't control community built content. But overall it's not really an unjustified score.

Robio_basic

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

 

Yes.  It's irresponsible and unprofessional.

 

Onec again, you'll never see a site like Cnet or consumer reports do something like that.  

Xalaten

between your complaint about this lbp review and your sig, you must be quite a walking contradiction

How come everyone can see all these sigs but I can't.  I can't even see my own sig.

Oh, and I'm not a contradiction.  I said they were overrated.  That doesn't mean they aren't good games.  Halo and Gears are 8.5 games with 9.5 hype ratins IN MY OPINION.  My opinion.  8.5 still means it's a great game, just not godly as some people believe.  

thats weird about your sig.

anyway, so its your opinion that those games are overrated, which btw goes against what other reviewers have to say. but that 1 reviewer's opinion that LBP is a 7 is just wrong because he went against what the other reviewers opinions? interesting logic you got going there...

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

 

between your complaint about this lbp review and your sig, you must be quite a walking contradiction

 

ogvampire

How come everyone can see all these sigs but I can't.  I can't even see my own sig.

Oh, and I'm not a contradiction.  I said they were overrated.  That doesn't mean they aren't good games.  Halo and Gears are 8.5 games with 9.5 hype ratins IN MY OPINION.  My opinion.  8.5 still means it's a great game, just not godly as some people believe.  

thats weird about your sig.

anyway, so its your opinion that those games are overrated, which btw goes against what other reviewers have to say. but that 1 reviewer's opinion that LBP is a 7 is just wrong because he went against what the other reviewers opinions? interesting logic you got going there...

Two things.  Number 1, I'm not a review site, I dont' make advertising dollars and no one is basing their buying on what I say.

Number 2, I think Halo and Gears deserved 8.5s, not 9s and 9.5s.  That is far FAR from giving a 9.0/9.5 game a 7.0.  They are saying it's a mediocre and average game.  I never said Halo or Gears was.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

How come everyone can see all these sigs but I can't.  I can't even see my own sig.

 

Oh, and I'm not a contradiction.  I said they were overrated.  That doesn't mean they aren't good games.  Halo and Gears are 8.5 games with 9.5 hype ratins IN MY OPINION.  My opinion.  8.5 still means it's a great game, just not godly as some people believe.  

Xalaten

thats weird about your sig.

anyway, so its your opinion that those games are overrated, which btw goes against what other reviewers have to say. but that 1 reviewer's opinion that LBP is a 7 is just wrong because he went against what the other reviewers opinions? interesting logic you got going there...

Two things.  Number 1, I'm not a review site, I dont' make advertising dollars and no one is basing their buying on what I say.

Number 2, I think Halo and Gears deserved 8.5s, not 9s and 9.5s.  That is far FAR from giving a 9.0/9.5 game a 7.0.  They are saying it's a mediocre and average game.  I never said Halo or Gears was.

so your problem is that the reviewer is giving his honest opinion on the game, instead of mirroring others opinions or giving what others 'expect' him to give...

how does that not sound silly to you?

You can't just say something is overrated becuase it got a higher score by someone else than what you would score it. I just means you didn't enjoy it as much as they did. There is nothing wrong with that. Bringing the idea of being "overrated" into this is nonsense. What do you want to do, tell them they have to change their score? Mordred19

I never said anyone had to change their scores.  I think the original site is irresponsible, that's all.

I think plenty of things are overrated.  That doesn't mean they aren't good things.  When I comment on Gears and Halo being overrated I'm talking about that section of gamers who think they are the holy grail games and are the best pieces of entertainment ever created by mortal man.

When a gaming company has a launch party the likes of Halo 2 and Halo 3 had, you are overrated.  I think that's the actual definition of the word.  When you treat a video game like a Papal visit, there's a problem.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

thats weird about your sig.

anyway, so its your opinion that those games are overrated, which btw goes against what other reviewers have to say. but that 1 reviewer's opinion that LBP is a 7 is just wrong because he went against what the other reviewers opinions? interesting logic you got going there...

ogvampire

Two things.  Number 1, I'm not a review site, I dont' make advertising dollars and no one is basing their buying on what I say.

Number 2, I think Halo and Gears deserved 8.5s, not 9s and 9.5s.  That is far FAR from giving a 9.0/9.5 game a 7.0.  They are saying it's a mediocre and average game.  I never said Halo or Gears was.

so your problem is that the reviewer is giving his honest opinion on the game, instead of mirroring others opinions or giving what others 'expect' him to give...

how does that not sound silly to you?

No my problem is he's saying things that are expected in a game like that are bad things.

Can you imagine if I reviewed a game like Guitar Hero and said "This game is average at best.  I don't enjoy playing guitars and the idea of rythm games is just silly".  That would be irresponsible of me.  The genre, by nature, is a guitar rythm game so to punish it for being what it is isn't fair.

He punished the game for what SELLS the game.  He punished it for the user content and creating levels but that's what it was SUPPOSED to be.  

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

Two things.  Number 1, I'm not a review site, I dont' make advertising dollars and no one is basing their buying on what I say.

 

Number 2, I think Halo and Gears deserved 8.5s, not 9s and 9.5s.  That is far FAR from giving a 9.0/9.5 game a 7.0.  They are saying it's a mediocre and average game.  I never said Halo or Gears was.

Xalaten

so your problem is that the reviewer is giving his honest opinion on the game, instead of mirroring others opinions or giving what others 'expect' him to give...

how does that not sound silly to you?

No my problem is he's saying things that are expected in a game like that are bad things.

Can you imagine if I reviewed a game like Guitar Hero and said "This game is average at best.  I don't enjoy playing guitars and the idea of rythm games is just silly".  That would be irresponsible of me.  The genre, by nature, is a guitar rythm game so to punish it for being what it is isn't fair.

He punished the game for what SELLS the game.  He punished it for the user content and creating levels but that's what it was SUPPOSED to be.