Somebody please explain to me why Oblivion is a bad game?

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#1 dream431ca
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Alright. I've seen many people state that Oblivion is a bad game (at least when they compare it to Morrowind). I have both Morrowind and Oblivion and I enjoy them both. I have clocked in around 100 hours on Oblivion and I'm only 2 hours into the main quest! I love the exploration and the mods for Oblivion are fantastic. I have a texture mod that adds an additional 2 gigs of textures to everything except the characters that are 4 times more sharper than the original textures. I also have some other mods and Oblivion looks awesome. I love the exploration factor of the game and the freedom. So why would anyone call this game bad?
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#2 locopatho
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I love it too. People are just angry it didn't live up to their expectations.
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#3 Blackification
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Its not a bad game but it could have been a way better game. Its not bad but its dissapointing. Like GTA4 its not bad but could have been better.
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#4 Mr_Cumberdale
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I'm also wondering that. I find this game solid and it's really easy to get into. The only thing that pisses me off is this vampire curse I got. I die if I stay in the sun for 10 seconds.

P.S.: I love the voice acting in the game. I use them in real life conversations. :-)

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I thought it was just ok because theres nothing telling you what to do and at times random people would approach you and ask for a quest ...
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#6 -DrRobotnik-
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Apparently its a bad Elder Scrolls game, but not a bad game. Oblivion was my first taste of the ES universe, and I loved it.

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#7 Bigboi500
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It's great as an adventure game, but broken as an rpg.
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#8 kozzy1234
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Its a good game, just not on par with the previous games in the series IMO.
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#9 Catpee
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Because the game scales to your level, and because it almost penalizes you for not cheese leveling to maximize stats.
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#10 Mr_Cumberdale
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I love it too. People are just angry it didn't live up to their expectations.locopatho

I dunno, pretty much everyone liked it. There will always be a few rotten fungus who bash the game.

Dude, before I submit this message we both have 3215 posts. And Im almost lvl 27. >_>

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#11 Ilived
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I love the game, but it doesn't have any life to it.
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#12 dream431ca
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I'm also wondering that. I find this game solid and it's really easy to get into. The only thing that pisses me off is this vampire curse I got. I die if I stay in the sun for 10 seconds.

P.S.: I love the voice acting in the game. I use them in real life conversations. :-)

Mr_Cumberdale

A vampire bit me while I was asleep and I turned into one. That was one pain in the a$$. I spent at least 4-6 hours completing the quest to get rid of being a vampire. It was kinda fun and I love how the game surprises you like that.

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#13 ONLYDOD
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I know alot of people hate it (the hate seems to have increased since the whole anti-Fallout 3 fiasco, like hating Bethesda is the new trend to jump upon in gaming), but I thought it was a great game, I spent many hours enjoying it!
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#14 dream431ca
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I know alot of people hate it (the hate seems to have increased since the whole anti-Fallout 3 fiasco, like hating Bethesda is the new trend to jump upon in gaming), but I thought it was a great game, I spent many hours enjoying it!ONLYDOD

I'm gonna put 100 hours into Fallout 3 as well :)

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#15 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]I love it too. People are just angry it didn't live up to their expectations.Mr_Cumberdale

I dunno, pretty much everyone liked it. There will always be a few rotten fungus who bash the game.

Dude, before I submit this message we both have 3215 posts. And Im almost lvl 27. >_>

Soul mates?

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#16 jg4xchamp
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Its a good game overall I'm sure to most people

Me personally

-The story sucks
-The combat sucks
-The game is big for the sake of being big
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind
-THe overall experience is boring

I mean Robbie has that whole article on why it fails as an RPG. which is all anyone needs to mention really

But overall the game just bored me.
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#17 nVidiaGaMer
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[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]I know alot of people hate it (the hate seems to have increased since the whole anti-Fallout 3 fiasco, like hating Bethesda is the new trend to jump upon in gaming), but I thought it was a great game, I spent many hours enjoying it!dream431ca

I'm gonna put 100 hours into Fallout 3 as well :)

Not if the game pulls a flop. :D

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#18 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]I know alot of people hate it (the hate seems to have increased since the whole anti-Fallout 3 fiasco, like hating Bethesda is the new trend to jump upon in gaming), but I thought it was a great game, I spent many hours enjoying it!nVidiaGaMer

I'm gonna put 100 hours into Fallout 3 as well :)

Not if the game pulls a flop. :D

Even if the game gets a 3.0 I'm still gonna put 100 hours into it. Fallout is one of favorite series and I know Bethesda can pull it off. I've seen the new videos of Fallout 3 and I was so excitied.

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#19 ONLYDOD
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[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]I know alot of people hate it (the hate seems to have increased since the whole anti-Fallout 3 fiasco, like hating Bethesda is the new trend to jump upon in gaming), but I thought it was a great game, I spent many hours enjoying it!dream431ca

I'm gonna put 100 hours into Fallout 3 as well :)

Heh, I can see myself doing the exact same thing, even with all the great games coming out, it will be quite easy for Fallout 3 to consume most of my time, everything else will probably just have 1 hour slots in my gaming schedule here and there.

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-The leveling system is absolutely horrible for obvious reasons. -No matter what class you pick you will eventually end up using the same damn armor. -Storyline is a complete joke. I have to close 10-15 repetitive and dull Oblivion gates and eventually fight off a city invasion. Then i'm crowned a hero because I just saved the world.......1 minute later everything goes back to normal and I'm treated like a regular citizen. How ridiculous. -Melee Combat is terrible. You swing you block you swing you block, repeat. My god even Messiah of Might and Magic had more advanced melee. You're telling me an "Assassin" can't even backstab in this game?? Caster combat was terrible you gotta hit people with like 10 fireballs before they die and guess what you gotta aim that slow projectile that you end up missing half the time. Not even worth casting. The only fun combat is ranged combat with arrows. -The game was clearly not meant to be played in 3rd person view even though it provides it. -You can either run to your destination across randomly-generated trees for 15 minutes or you can just teleport there..........yes TELEPORT there, absolutely killing any hope of adventure in this game. -All the voices in the game sound like they are coming from 3-4 people. -The NPC dialogue is probably the worst part of the game. I love it when an old lady thanks me for something in a SWEET loving voice, then when I talked to her again she says "GET OUT OF MY FACE" in a manly voice. Bipolar much? -Even if you steal a damn carrot from a shelf or something suddenly the guard from the other side of the city spots you and arrests you. I'm sure there are others in these forums that can expand this list by ALOT!! But i'll just leave it here. However I won't be completely negative about this game. I will say some good things though: -graphics are pretty good. -Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild quests are enjoyable. That's it.
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#22 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]

I'm also wondering that. I find this game solid and it's really easy to get into. The only thing that pisses me off is this vampire curse I got. I die if I stay in the sun for 10 seconds.

P.S.: I love the voice acting in the game. I use them in real life conversations. :-)

dream431ca

A vampire bit me while I was asleep and I turned into one. That was one pain in the a$$. I spent at least 4-6 hours completing the quest to get rid of being a vampire. It was kinda fun and I love how the game surprises you like that.

If you contract the disease you can just go to the chuch alter to clear it up before you turn into a vampire.
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#23 dream431ca
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Its a good game overall I'm sure to most people

Me personally

-The story sucks
-The combat sucks
-The game is big for the sake of being big
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind
-THe overall experience is boring

I mean Robbie has that whole article on why it fails as an RPG. which is all anyone needs to mention really

But overall the game just bored me.jg4xchamp

Let me respond to this:

-The story sucks I couldn't give a rat a$$ about the story. I like the game for it's exploration and freedom
-The combat sucks It's not the greatest combat. It reminds me a lot of Diablo 2 just in 3D.

-The game is big for the sake of being big I like it big. There is so much to do
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind If you mean story wise then I don't care to much

-THe overall experience is boring I find it to be fun and as I stated a lot I like it for it's freedom and exploration.

That's just my reasoning. I'm not trying to argue with you or anything I just wanted to let you know how I see the game.

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#24 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]

I'm also wondering that. I find this game solid and it's really easy to get into. The only thing that pisses me off is this vampire curse I got. I die if I stay in the sun for 10 seconds.

P.S.: I love the voice acting in the game. I use them in real life conversations. :-)

Bigboi500

A vampire bit me while I was asleep and I turned into one. That was one pain in the a$$. I spent at least 4-6 hours completing the quest to get rid of being a vampire. It was kinda fun and I love how the game surprises you like that.

If you contract the disease you can just go to the chuch alter to clear it up before you turn into a vampire.

Not if you are directly bitten by a vampire, then you are instantly a vampire. I should know, it happened to me LOL

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#25 Blackification
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Who else thought the thieves guild reward kind of sucked?
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#26 myke2010
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It was bad because it lacked the depth of the previous ElderScrolls games.

Level scaling sucked, why even have levels at all it you're just going to arbitrarily level up all other enemies as well. The world was basically one big forest with the same dungeons layered throughout. It lacked Morrowind's diverse landscapes and took away a lot of the enjoyment from exploring a huge gameworld. The sidequests were rather shallow with no impact on the main storyline. At least have the major guild questlines impact the world some way.

I was dissapointed by the game because it was a huge step backwards for the series with too many missed opportunities to be something amazing.

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#27 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Its a good game overall I'm sure to most people

Me personally

-The story sucks
-The combat sucks
-The game is big for the sake of being big
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind
-THe overall experience is boring

I mean Robbie has that whole article on why it fails as an RPG. which is all anyone needs to mention really

But overall the game just bored me.nVidiaGaMer

Its safe to say that Oblivion is not as bad of a game as Too Human is.

Please don't turn this thread into another pointless argumental thread.

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#28 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]

I'm also wondering that. I find this game solid and it's really easy to get into. The only thing that pisses me off is this vampire curse I got. I die if I stay in the sun for 10 seconds.

P.S.: I love the voice acting in the game. I use them in real life conversations. :-)

dream431ca

A vampire bit me while I was asleep and I turned into one. That was one pain in the a$$. I spent at least 4-6 hours completing the quest to get rid of being a vampire. It was kinda fun and I love how the game surprises you like that.

If you contract the disease you can just go to the chuch alter to clear it up before you turn into a vampire.

Not if you are directly bitten by a vampire, then you are instantly a vampire. I should know, it happened to me LOL

Oh cool. I was fighting one and suddenly it said I had contracted the disease. Guess I got lucky.
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#29 TheBigBadGRIM
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Anyone who's played REAL rpgs knows that this is not an rpg. That and my list of why it sucks is all i've got to say about that game. Fallout 3 will probably suck as well since the lead designer himself claimed it's gonna be Oblivion with guns "in all the best ways". Now I haven't played the game so thats why i'm just saying "probably", but most likely.
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I though it was a good game 9/10.
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#31 foxhound_fox
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It isn't a bad game, it is a (very) bad role-playing game.
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#32 deactivated-6243ee9902175
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Simple; it is a game with a good concept and graphics but it attempts to do so many things it just falls on its face by doing all of them half assed instead of a couple of things great.
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#33 tm0054
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I know alot of people hate it (the hate seems to have increased since the whole anti-Fallout 3 fiasco, like hating Bethesda is the new trend to jump upon in gaming), but I thought it was a great game, I spent many hours enjoying it!ONLYDOD

It's right up there with hating Halo 3 and Bioshock...

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#34 nVidiaGaMer
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[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Its a good game overall I'm sure to most people

Me personally

-The story sucks
-The combat sucks
-The game is big for the sake of being big
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind
-THe overall experience is boring

I mean Robbie has that whole article on why it fails as an RPG. which is all anyone needs to mention really

But overall the game just bored me.dream431ca

Its safe to say that Oblivion is not as bad of a game as Too Human is.

Please don't turn this thread into another pointless argumental thread.

Thats the point of System Wars read the TOU.

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#35 tmatte
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Its a good game overall I'm sure to most people

Me personally

-The story sucks
-The combat sucks
-The game is big for the sake of being big
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind
-THe overall experience is boring

I mean Robbie has that whole article on why it fails as an RPG. which is all anyone needs to mention really

But overall the game just bored me.nVidiaGaMer

Its safe to say that Oblivion is not as bad of a game as Too Human is.

When in doubt, pull out the Too Human card!

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#36 Sonir77
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I find modding oblivion is actually funner then playing it.
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#37 HenriH-42
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Because it's a HORRIBLE role-playing game, yet people often call it as "the best RPG ever made"

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=129

Oblivion is not a RPG. It's a sandbox hack-n-slash with skills/stats.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Its a good game overall I'm sure to most people

Me personally

-The story sucks
-The combat sucks
-The game is big for the sake of being big
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind
-THe overall experience is boring

I mean Robbie has that whole article on why it fails as an RPG. which is all anyone needs to mention really

But overall the game just bored me.dream431ca

Let me respond to this:

-The story sucks I couldn't give a rat a$$ about the story. I like the game for it's exploration and freedom
-The combat sucks It's not the greatest combat. It reminds me a lot of Diablo 2 just in 3D.

-The game is big for the sake of being big I like it big. There is so much to do
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind If you mean story wise then I don't care to much

-THe overall experience is boring I find it to be fun and as I stated a lot I like it for it's freedom and exploration.

That's just my reasoning. I'm not trying to argue with you or anything I just wanted to let you know how I see the game.

So why do you care?

Honestly with this board no matter what game it is, it will get bashed.

I try not to bash a game..

Although I will be vocal and say that Oblivion did bore me and that I don't think Unreal Tournament 3 is any good.

That said, If you liked it, does it really matter what we think

People think TOo Human sucks. Kevin Von Ord thinks it sucks, just about every reviewer known to man.

And inspite of all that I was able to enjoy Too Human.
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#39 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Its a good game overall I'm sure to most people

Me personally

-The story sucks
-The combat sucks
-The game is big for the sake of being big
-The game lacks the depth of Marrowind
-THe overall experience is boring

I mean Robbie has that whole article on why it fails as an RPG. which is all anyone needs to mention really

But overall the game just bored me.nVidiaGaMer

Its safe to say that Oblivion is not as bad of a game as Too Human is.

FOr you maybe.

For me not really.

I will say for me

I would much rather play Mass Effect as an RPG

or Eternal SOnota or Lost Odyssey

As a game i would much rather play a Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, etc

I enjoyed other games far more than I enjoyed Oblivion, which includes Too Human.
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#40 JonasJuice
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Because of Morrowind.

/thread

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#41 stepat201
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The game is great. I admit if you play it today it feels a bit bland and empty. Basically it's not a game that ages well but when it came out 2 and a half years ago (amazing that people still argue over it) it was an amazing game.

Bitter hermits will come in and say it's not a true RPG blah blah but then again they think every RPG made today is not a true RPG so if they're to be trusted RPG's are dead. :roll:

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#42 ArisShadows
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Lets put it this way, it not a bad game, its just not a great game, especially for an Elder Scrolls game. Repetive is one of major flaws, as well some other things.

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#43 VoodooGamer
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I love it too. People are just angry it didn't live up to their expectations.locopatho

My expectations or the expectations laid down by the likes of Fallout and Baldur's Gate?

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#44 Wasdie  Moderator
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I don't know, it just wasn't as good as the reviews said.
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#45 MetroidPrimePwn
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I didn't think it was absolutely terrible like everyone else did, it was a pretty solid game, but without mods, the out of the box version of the game had serious issues...
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#47 ArisShadows
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I don't know, it just wasn't as good as the reviews said.Wasdie

It was my biggest disappointment in recent gaming. I was so hyped for it, its not even funny. I bought it for PC, but for some reason my graphic card at the time didnt have the right shaders so it wouldnt play. So later I got it on 360, and the PC version as the collector's edition, that how big I was on it. So I finally play it, and after a bit of time through it, It was appearant that this game was not what I was expecting.

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-Third person view was bad

-AI was buggy

-AI interaction was not as interesting as other games

-A warrior in mages guild, yes that makes perfect sense

-5 voice actors in the entire game

-Quest Bugs

-Dark Botherhood could have been darker

-Theive is not interesting as the only way in the house is through the door, cant pull a santa claus

-the guard AI was hilarious

-Only 2 types of Dungeons, either a cave or ruins

-item bugs

-Quests were very linear, basically get to point A to B, kill some guy or get some item

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#49 Vampyronight
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Because it's a HORRIBLE role-playing game, yet people often call it as "the best RPG ever made"

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=129

Oblivion is not a RPG. It's a sandbox hack-n-slash with skills/stats.

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#50 RK-Mara
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I have nothing against Oblivion but the people who call Oblivion the best RPG ever when it definitely is not. I've played the game for good two hundred hours and it's a great sandbox action game though.