Something fishy about Gears 4 beta....

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#1 soapandbubbles
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Does anyone else find it weird that they showcased the game last E3 looking quite good, yet almost a year later the beta looks this bad? at this stage even the beta should look solid, regardless of it being Mulitplayer, since the majority of MP games don't look that much different from the SP.

Starting to think that E3 showing was a lie, touched up/running on PC to create hype. Much like what Ubisoft did with the Division or what naughty dog does with their cutscenes (that supposedly run in real time, lol)

One might now assume that the game due to being in developement longer since E3, could have been downgraded to improve other aspects of the game, especially due new development ideas and cause of the xbone's limited hardware, etc.

Another thing to note is that the roadie run in the E3 showing is rather different from previous gears games, much faster....this isn't present in the beta. How could they release such a scaled back version (so called pre alpha) at this late stage? concerning graphics/animations??? One would want to see an updated version, so fans can make judgements and devs make some improvements if they see fit, hence the purpose of a beta.

For those that haven't seen the footage...here you go:

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#2 GarGx1
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Looks like it's missing lighting and shadows, they'll definitely need to implement something that'll tie the characters to the environment.

Uncharted 4 MP looks dramatically different from the single player as well though, I think you just need to thank the weak consoles for that.

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#3 SolidTy
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@soapandbubbles: It's a brand new developer working on GeoW 4. They have a LOT to prove.

Good luck to them, even with producer Rod F's help.

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#4 Howmakewood
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Developers showing footage from PC? totally unheard of

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#5 Epak_
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@GarGx1 said:

Looks like it's missing lighting and shadows, they'll definitely need to implement something that'll tie the characters to the environment.

Uncharted 4 MP looks dramatically different from the single player as well though, I think you just need to thank the weak consoles for that.

It's clear SOME sacrifices had to be made if the MP is 1080p and 60 fps, video footage looks what I expected it to look.

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#6  Edited By QuadKnight
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Looks like shit. I dare say the 360 Gears games even looked better than this turd. Trying to get 1080p/60fps is no reason to look this bad.

LOL @ bringing UC4 into this. It looks light years ahead of this even though it's running at 900p and UC MP's have always looked worse than the SP.

This is a new level of downgrade, one that even Ubisoft would be ashamed of.

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#7  Edited By JangoWuzHere
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Gameplay looks disappointing. This sequel is like the best time to overhaul the gameplay and make some drastic improvements. Unfortunately, it looks like they're just sticking close to the original formula.

Super boring

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#8 Dakur
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Many companies tend to show manipulated products in shows to create hype. Microsoft has been doing this since they became a software company. Nothing new here.

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#9  Edited By Shibua
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60FPS kills graphics both console just can't handle 60FPS without games looking last gen

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Gears 3 looks better

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#10 SecretPolice
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1080P 60 fps with split screen MP intact is a might high bar to clear with these WeakSauce consoles heck, PS Bore would choke and spit up blood trying to run this game. :P

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#11  Edited By gamespot4life
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Who cares about graphics with the gameplay looks like crap. shoving more bullshit down your pipe and you people continue to buy it, just like COD.

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#12 KillOnSight
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It looks underwhelming so far. Not that making a cover shooter is an art these days, but it would be cool if they tried to make something better than gears 1.

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It doesn't take a genius to know the first demo was from the story mode and that ran at sub-30fps.

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#14 kvally
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In before "Flop of War 4"....

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#15  Edited By HitmanActual
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Dat epic powah of da bone. Lems will still praise it like it's the second coming.

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#16 lhughey
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They removed the textures for the game to work on the functionality of the MP. I'm not sure why its so hard to see this. Its pretty obvious. Its these type of silly discussions that keep developers from wanting to release betas, which really help to increase the quality of the product.

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#17 Legend002
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Gears of Flop 4 incoming.

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#18 kvally
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@hitmanactual said:

Dat epic powah of da bone. Lems will still praise it like it's the second coming.

True dat. It's fun to watch cows and lems praise this pathetic under-powered consoles this gen. At least they are enjoying their games. Herms for the win, yo. #igotthis

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#19 Alucard_Prime
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I wouldn't waste my time watching the whole thing, clearly something wrong here and the final product shouldn't look remotely close to that. The actual clip is low quality as well, and considering how there's classical music playing I'm thinking it might be a clip someone made just to start the hate campaign early. Or maybe not, who knows these days. I think there is a clip that shows one of the executions out there, looks way better than this. Anyways the beta is launching soon so we'll know first hand.

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#20 QuadKnight
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@kvally: You're not fooling anyone lem.

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#21  Edited By kvally
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@quadknight said:

@kvally: You're not fooling anyone lem.

It will be ok Mr. Cow Alt. It's fun watching you reply to all of my posts. It's cute.

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@JangoWuzHere said:

Gameplay looks disappointing. This sequel is like the best time to overhaul the gameplay and make some drastic improvements. Unfortunately, it looks like they're just sticking close to the original formula.

Super boring

I've seen posts similar to this one throughout the internet. Out of curiosity, when you say "overhaul the gameplay" what do you mean? Take away the core foundation that makes Gears what it is? Judgement tried to do things different and we all seen how that worked out. Gears is a difficult game to tinker with. Rodeo running, rolling, wall bouncing, and close quarter shotgun battles is the heart of Gears. Changing that formula has caused a lot of problems. If you never like Gears in the first place, why try to change what it is?

All the Coalition can do is improve what they already have. This game will give you a combat knife, special takedowns, a shoulder charge, the ability to grab the enemy out of cover to your side for a execution, and other gameplay additions. I, along with most true Gears of War fans would have it no other way.

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#23 Chutebox
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They showcased the game at e3?

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#24 ShepardCommandr
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ahh the classic e3 bait and switch

first they showcase the game running on very powerful pc hardware and then they downgrade it in order for it to be playable on these weak consoles

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#25 Draign
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People really get their panties in a bunch over early game clips? The Beta will be here soon for you to try real time.

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The textures don't look right in the environment. This may be very early footage.

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It looks like something that belongs in the toilet.

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PC footage dude.

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@intotheminx said:
@JangoWuzHere said:

Gameplay looks disappointing. This sequel is like the best time to overhaul the gameplay and make some drastic improvements. Unfortunately, it looks like they're just sticking close to the original formula.

Super boring

I've seen posts similar to this one throughout the internet. Out of curiosity, when you say "overhaul the gameplay" what do you mean? Take away the core foundation that makes Gears what it is? Judgement tried to do things different and we all seen how that worked out. Gears is a difficult game to tinker with. Rodeo running, rolling, wall bouncing, and close quarter shotgun battles is the heart of Gears. Changing that formula has caused a lot of problems. If you never like Gears in the first place, why try to change what it is?

All the Coalition can do is improve what they already have. This game will give you a combat knife, special takedowns, a shoulder charge, the ability to grab the enemy out of cover to your side for a execution, and other gameplay additions. I, along with most true Gears of War fans would have it no other way.

Gears feels stiff and awkward compared to most other shooters these days. I'd rather play something like MGSV or Uncharted 4 ( from what I've played of the beta) instead of going back to the tankiness of Gears. Keeping the same movement, cover, and shooting system from a decade old game just feels lame at this point. Hey, if you're fine with being fed the same crap over and over, that's fine. However, I'd prefer to spend my time and money elsewhere.

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#30 raugutcon
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Pure speculation, ya´ll find out tomorrow.

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#31 cainetao11
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Just reminds me of months before the Gears Ultimate edition launch and someone here posted ugly pictures of Water from it. But having played the final version the water didn't look like that.

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#32 cainetao11
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@shibua said:

60FPS kills graphics both console just can't handle 60FPS without games looking last gen

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Gears 3 looks better

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It certainly does in those videos.

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#33  Edited By intotheminx
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@JangoWuzHere said:
@intotheminx said:
@JangoWuzHere said:

Gameplay looks disappointing. This sequel is like the best time to overhaul the gameplay and make some drastic improvements. Unfortunately, it looks like they're just sticking close to the original formula.

Super boring

I've seen posts similar to this one throughout the internet. Out of curiosity, when you say "overhaul the gameplay" what do you mean? Take away the core foundation that makes Gears what it is? Judgement tried to do things different and we all seen how that worked out. Gears is a difficult game to tinker with. Rodeo running, rolling, wall bouncing, and close quarter shotgun battles is the heart of Gears. Changing that formula has caused a lot of problems. If you never like Gears in the first place, why try to change what it is?

All the Coalition can do is improve what they already have. This game will give you a combat knife, special takedowns, a shoulder charge, the ability to grab the enemy out of cover to your side for a execution, and other gameplay additions. I, along with most true Gears of War fans would have it no other way.

I'd rather play something like MGSV or Uncharted 4 ( from what I've played of the beta) instead of going back to the tankiness of Gears. Keeping the same movement, cover, and shooting system from a decade old game just feels lame at this point. Hey, if you're fine with being fed the same crap over and over, that's fine. However, I'd prefer to spend my time and money elsewhere.

That's pretty subjective. I don't feel as though its stiff. Removing the cover system would require a name change as well. The core of the game should definitely stay the same imo. That's like me saying, Uncharted is a rehash because Drake is shooting bad guys, climbing, and jumping around.

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The game looks so bad it's actually funny. Not just the graphics but the animations and characters movements all seem to be very basic and low budget like that you'd expect from an indie project.

Did MS say F it and bust this once AAA budget title down to indie level production?

If someone were to tell me this was on the original xbox I'd believe them. It's funny how xbox fans tried to criticize UC4 multiplayers gfxs now this Gears MP showing looks a full generation behind not only in graphics but just about everything else as well.

Gears 4 MP on xbox one

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Last E3 they showed campaign footage. Campaign will always look better than multiplayer.

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What they showed at E3 was the PC version.

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#37 intotheminx
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@casharmy said:

The game looks so bad it's actually funny. Not just the graphics but the animations and characters movements all seem to be very basic and low budget like that you'd expect from an indie project.

Did MS say F it and bust this once AAA budget title down to indie level production?

If someone were to tell me this was on the original xbox I'd believe them. It's funny how xbox fans tried to criticize UC4 multiplayers gfxs now this Gears MP showing looks a full generation behind not only in graphics but just about everything else as well.

Gears 4 MP on xbox one

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Multiplayer probably is not going to look great because everyone is obsessed with 60fps now. It will look like a PS2 game just like UC4's MP.

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#38 stereointegrity
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This looks nothing like last year. But the e3 footage still looks great

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#39 intotheminx
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

What they showed at E3 was the PC version.

It probably was, but it was also from the single player campaign. I highly doubt Rod would say Gears 4 will be a graphical display for the XB1 and then have the entire game look like the early build used for a beta, but hey that's fine. Your name is NathanDrakeSwag after all. Guess I can't expect more.

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#41 dynamitecop
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ITT: People talking shit about the graphics for the MP component of the game that operates at twice the framerate of the campaign and looks worse as a result...

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@speak_low said:

I'm still confused what the Dailymotion video was showing. At first I thought the video was showing older alpha footage, and the real beta would look like this (better and in a more advanced stage):

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But then Rod Fergusson tweets that the beta participants will be playing an alpha version of the game, and the graphics will be rough because it's really just a technical beta.

So is it going to look like the clip above, or oogly as fark like the Dailymotion video where the animations weren't even finished and not a shadow to be found anywhere?

The clips look a lot better and more complete. It doesn't look like that impressive of a jump from Gears 3 though. The lighting seems to be a bit better, but it kind of looks like what we should be expecting since the game is supposedly going to be 1080p/60fps for both SP/MP.

I'm used to Gears being a graphical showcase every time. Now it seems like they really want that 60fps for SP, which means some necessary downgrades incoming.

The MP is only 60fps and the singleplayer is 30fps.

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I'll wait for final game to release. I usually don't pay much attention to betas.

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#45 QuadKnight
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@intotheminx said:
@casharmy said:

The game looks so bad it's actually funny. Not just the graphics but the animations and characters movements all seem to be very basic and low budget like that you'd expect from an indie project.

Did MS say F it and bust this once AAA budget title down to indie level production?

If someone were to tell me this was on the original xbox I'd believe them. It's funny how xbox fans tried to criticize UC4 multiplayers gfxs now this Gears MP showing looks a full generation behind not only in graphics but just about everything else as well.

Gears 4 MP on xbox one

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Multiplayer probably is not going to look great because everyone is obsessed with 60fps now. It will look like a PS2 game just like UC4's MP.

That looks shockingly bad. The textures are straight from PS2 era....Jesus!!

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#46 Spitfire-Six
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Have you guys never seen or played a Playtest before ?