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This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:Oh boy :rolls:
Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.
The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Cows will Rejoice and Lemmings am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k
[QUOTE="massAttack2k"]This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:Oh boy :rolls: Is that Denial dripping out of your Eyes? :lol:
Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.
The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Cows will Rejoice and Lemmings am Cry to sleep.Zero-G_basic
[QUOTE="Zero-G_basic"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:Oh boy :rolls: Is that Denial dripping out of your Eyes? :lol: it apperas that way...but seriously the point you made really isnt arguable so dont expect this thread to grow too much
Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.
The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Cows will Rejoice and Lemmings am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k
[QUOTE="Zero-G_basic"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:Oh boy :rolls: Is that Denial dripping out of your Eyes? :lol:
Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.
The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Cows will Rejoice and Lemmings am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k
I actually think it is a good thing PS3 becomes the main platform. It is hard to make a game from the 360 work on the PS 3 because its gpu is inferior just like last gen.
Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your ownosusfaithThats because the factor of more PS2 outs than Xbox 1s. At even sales of say Xbox 360 and PS3...the target platform will default to Playstation 3 due to technical superiority and the need to keep with the Curve of other games coming out and especially Sony's First Party. Publishers see the Playstation 3 is selling well with 2 Million already sold and on track to do as good or better than the 360's first year in sales so they are already shifting towards the PS3 as far as Sales goes. The Technical side is no brainer from the start.
why in the world would developers make the game first for the system that's the most difficult to program for when they can make the 360 and PC version in tandum at roughly the cost of making one game? Point is, developers won't create their games on the PS3 first. It's not cost effective to do so. Thanks to the XNA developer tools that MS offers, developers can create one game for 2 platforms at the same time. That cuts their overhead cost and doubles their profits by letting 2 different sets of gamers have access to the same game.NedemisFYI PS3 is easier to develop for than PS2 and look how strongly the PS2 was supported. The difficulty of PS3's programming decreases overtime and results in better looking games. Developers all of a suddent dont forget the tricks of the trade they learn.
[QUOTE="osusfaith"]Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your ownmassAttack2kThats because the factor of more PS2 outs than Xbox 1s. At even sales of say Xbox 360 and PS3...the target platform will default to Playstation 3 due to technical superiority and the need to keep with the Curve of other games coming out and especially Sony's First Party. Publishers see the Playstation 3 is selling well with 2 Million already sold and on track to do as good or better than the 360's first year in sales so they are already shifting towards the PS3 as far as Sales goes. The Technical side is no brainer from the start.
One other flaw in your arguement, the whole power lie not-with-standing.There is only 7 Million difference in install base between PS3 and 360. That is not enough for Devs to not support PS3 nor support 360. That number will shrink over the year to maybe 4-5 Million. And be even some time in 2008. There is no incentive for developers to program on the 360 first even on the install base front. THe PS3 is selling well so far at $600 price tag and will only curve up at any price drop.
Developers will develop for the platform that has the largest installed base first. They have no loyalty, as they care about money! That is what they make games for. So their main focus will be the system that has the most out there so that it has the largest chance of selling well.
Power makes no difference at all in their decisions. That is why the PS2 had such great support. It had the largest install base by far.
And so far, this gen, its the 360 with the largest installed base.
SpruceCaboose
[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="osusfaith"]Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your ownSpruceCabooseThats because the factor of more PS2 outs than Xbox 1s. At even sales of say Xbox 360 and PS3...the target platform will default to Playstation 3 due to technical superiority and the need to keep with the Curve of other games coming out and especially Sony's First Party. Publishers see the Playstation 3 is selling well with 2 Million already sold and on track to do as good or better than the 360's first year in sales so they are already shifting towards the PS3 as far as Sales goes. The Technical side is no brainer from the start.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] One other flaw in your arguement, the whole power lie not-with-standing.There is only 7 Million difference in install base between PS3 and 360. That is not enough for Devs to not support PS3 nor support 360. That number will shrink over the year to maybe 4-5 Million. And be even some time in 2008. There is no incentive for developers to program on the 360 first even on the install base front. THe PS3 is selling well so far at $600 price tag and will only curve up at any price drop.
Developers will develop for the platform that has the largest installed base first. They have no loyalty, as they care about money! That is what they make games for. So their main focus will be the system that has the most out there so that it has the largest chance of selling well.
Power makes no difference at all in their decisions. That is why the PS2 had such great support. It had the largest install base by far.
And so far, this gen, its the 360 with the largest installed base.
massAttack2k
And for yout info, the PS3 is averaging 500,000 units sold a month since launch. The 360 in its first year averaged 667,000 units a month from November 2005 - November 2006. So no, the PS3 is not on pace to out-do the 360 in sales.Thats just 2 Territories though. Your not figuring Europe which is 1/3rd. 1/3rd of 500,000 is 170,000 so 500,000+170,000 = 670,000. And its been more than 500,000 a month for PS3. More like 550,000. So thats well over 700,000 a Month if we factor modest 1/3rd of sales out of Europe when it was 40% for last gen. You=Owned
Do some research before you post things please.
SpruceCaboose
[QUOTE="osusfaith"]Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your ownmassAttack2kThats because the factor of more PS2 outs than Xbox 1s. At even sales of say Xbox 360 and PS3...the target platform will default to Playstation 3 due to technical superiority and the need to keep with the Curve of other games coming out and especially Sony's First Party. Publishers see the Playstation 3 is selling well with 2 Million already sold and on track to do as good or better than the 360's first year in sales so they are already shifting towards the PS3 as far as Sales goes. The Technical side is no brainer from the start. Okay so sales matter when it's PS2 and Xbox, but not when it's 360 and PS3. Gotcha lol Again you fail at life.
[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] One other flaw in your arguement, the whole power lie not-with-standing.There is only 7 Million difference in install base between PS3 and 360. That is not enough for Devs to not support PS3 nor support 360. That number will shrink over the year to maybe 4-5 Million. And be even some time in 2008. There is no incentive for developers to program on the 360 first even on the install base front. THe PS3 is selling well so far at $600 price tag and will only curve up at any price drop.
Developers will develop for the platform that has the largest installed base first. They have no loyalty, as they care about money! That is what they make games for. So their main focus will be the system that has the most out there so that it has the largest chance of selling well.
Power makes no difference at all in their decisions. That is why the PS2 had such great support. It had the largest install base by far.
And so far, this gen, its the 360 with the largest installed base.
SpruceCaboose
This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:so explain why they didnt gravitate to the xbox when it was the superior console hardware wise. since that is what your saying. so technically devs should have ditched ps2 long ago and done all thier developing on the xbox first..
Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.
The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Cows will Rejoice and Lemmings am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] And for yout info, the PS3 is averaging 500,000 units sold a month since launch. The 360 in its first year averaged 667,000 units a month from November 2005 - November 2006. So no, the PS3 is not on pace to out-do the 360 in sales.Thats just 2 Territories though. Your not figuring Europe which is 1/3rd. 1/3rd of 500,000 is 170,000 so 500,000+170,000 = 670,000. And its been more than 500,000 a month for PS3. More like 550,000. So thats well over 700,000 a Month if we factor modest 1/3rd of sales out of Europe when it was 40% for last gen. You=Owned
Do some research before you post things please.
massAttack2k
[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="osusfaith"]Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your ownosusfaithThats because the factor of more PS2 outs than Xbox 1s. At even sales of say Xbox 360 and PS3...the target platform will default to Playstation 3 due to technical superiority and the need to keep with the Curve of other games coming out and especially Sony's First Party. Publishers see the Playstation 3 is selling well with 2 Million already sold and on track to do as good or better than the 360's first year in sales so they are already shifting towards the PS3 as far as Sales goes. The Technical side is no brainer from the start. Okay so sales matter when it's PS2 and Xbox, but not when it's 360 and PS3. Gotcha lol Again you fail at life. They do matter, i didnt say they dont. The difference is too small between 360 and PS3 in sales looking forward that it wont make Publishers/Developers choose 360 when they have more powerful hardware in PS3. Write that down you been schooled
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] One other flaw in your arguement, the whole power lie not-with-standing.There is only 7 Million difference in install base between PS3 and 360. That is not enough for Devs to not support PS3 nor support 360. That number will shrink over the year to maybe 4-5 Million. And be even some time in 2008. There is no incentive for developers to program on the 360 first even on the install base front. THe PS3 is selling well so far at $600 price tag and will only curve up at any price drop.
Developers will develop for the platform that has the largest installed base first. They have no loyalty, as they care about money! That is what they make games for. So their main focus will be the system that has the most out there so that it has the largest chance of selling well.
Power makes no difference at all in their decisions. That is why the PS2 had such great support. It had the largest install base by far.
And so far, this gen, its the 360 with the largest installed base.
massAttack2k
[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] And for yout info, the PS3 is averaging 500,000 units sold a month since launch. The 360 in its first year averaged 667,000 units a month from November 2005 - November 2006. So no, the PS3 is not on pace to out-do the 360 in sales.Thats just 2 Territories though. Your not figuring Europe which is 1/3rd. 1/3rd of 500,000 is 170,000 so 500,000+170,000 = 670,000. And its been more than 500,000 a month for PS3. More like 550,000. So thats well over 700,000 a Month if we factor modest 1/3rd of sales out of Europe when it was 40% for last gen. You=Owned
Do some research before you post things please.
SpruceCaboose
[QUOTE="osusfaith"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="osusfaith"]Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your ownmassAttack2kThats because the factor of more PS2 outs than Xbox 1s. At even sales of say Xbox 360 and PS3...the target platform will default to Playstation 3 due to technical superiority and the need to keep with the Curve of other games coming out and especially Sony's First Party. Publishers see the Playstation 3 is selling well with 2 Million already sold and on track to do as good or better than the 360's first year in sales so they are already shifting towards the PS3 as far as Sales goes. The Technical side is no brainer from the start. Okay so sales matter when it's PS2 and Xbox, but not when it's 360 and PS3. Gotcha lol Again you fail at life. They do matter, i didnt say they dont. The difference is too small between 360 and PS3 in sales looking forward that it wont make Publishers/Developers choose 360 when they have more powerful hardware in PS3. Write that down you been schooled Look at it this way though, 360 has outsold PS3 in North America month on month since it's launch, and even if it's only by a few consoles, that means PS3 isn't catching up, it's falling further behind.
One problem, the PS3 is not stronger hardware wise then the 360. The GPU is actually weaker. The CPU is stronger, sure, but the GPU is weaker. The game with the better graphics is the game with the better software.Manly-manly-manYah but the CELL nullifies any weakness if there is one in RSX. They are built to work together well, the same cant be said about Xenon and Xenos. Xenon is built like a PC CPu and doesnt have any special skills in getting the most out of the GPU like Cell does. So what RSX lacks which is very little compared to Xenos, the Cell more than makes up for it. Making PS3 the superior HArdware. You have been owned.
[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"]One problem, the PS3 is not stronger hardware wise then the 360. The GPU is actually weaker. The CPU is stronger, sure, but the GPU is weaker. The game with the better graphics is the game with the better software.massAttack2kYah but the CELL nullifies any weakness if there is one in RSX. They are built to work together well, the same cant be said about Xenon and Xenos. Xenon is built like a PC CPu and doesnt have any special skills in getting the most out of the GPU like Cell does. So what RSX lacks which is very little compared to Xenos, the Cell more than makes up for it. Making PS3 the superior HArdware. You have been owned. Yeah, but because of bandwidth and memory limitations in the ps3 you will never get to tap the full power of that Cell processor you hold so dear. The 360 has a better architecture which is why it's so much easier to develop for. Ownage denied.
if they need to keep up with the best hardware, then why didn't they ditch the ps2 for xbox, since xbox was more powerful.rocktimusprimeWell the amount of Console sales supercedes the Power Argument. However if the Console sales are too close in #s the Power is next in line and in this case PS3 will be Target platform and look better on most Multiplats in the 2nd gen and 3rd gen and so on. Another thing to think about the 7 Million difference is far less since a lot of those 360's are out of commission ;) So its probably more like only 5-6 Million difference rite now and will be less by the end of 07.
Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your ownosusfaithWow! Thanks for coming out. lol You seriously call that crap a post? Try to think a little before you let your fanboy rage get the best of you. Playstation had a much, much bigger following than Xbox, so it's pretty obvious why all the multi-plats were made with less powerful hardware. So, where's your argument? You said he doesn't have one, so where in that piece of garbage post do you have an argument? Oh yeah, and considering this a video game forum, that last comment you made was pretty sad.
[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]if they need to keep up with the best hardware, then why didn't they ditch the ps2 for xbox, since xbox was more powerful.massAttack2kWell the amount of Console sales supercedes the Power Argument. However if the Console sales are too close in #s the Power is next in line and in this case PS3 will be Target platform and look better on most Multiplats in the 2nd gen and 3rd gen and so on. Another thing to think about the 7 Million difference is far less since a lot of those 360's are out of commission ;) So its probably more like only 5-6 Million difference rite now and will be less by the end of 07. ps3 isn't going to sell 10 million this year, not in thier dreams and we have the summer slump coming up, followed by a xbox 360 price drop with the new model coming out, and then halo 3. now do 5% of 10 million, then add in the fact 360 just sent out checks to people to buy new xbox's or sent them new ones, and there goes the "out of commision" arugement. ps3 needs a price drop before it reaches 10 mil, and it needs a huge xmas, but once again....halo 3.
Is this guy serious? :lol:Build the foundation, then the house, unfourtunately this guy can't figure out why his roof keeps falling down.
- The console with the largest user base is the one that developers make the game on and then port to other systems.
- 360 graphics are currently > PS3 graphics so I don't get why you say the 360 would hold devs back. The PS3 is what's holding devs back and that's why PS3 has lost so many exclusives.
- Why port down when you can port up? If you port from weaker to a stronger system there shouldn't be any problems or sacrifices whether as if you port from a stronger to weaker system you have to cut corners and water the game down.
You obviously didn't learn anything from last gen with PS2 did you?
Blackbond
Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k
[QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.FearlessSpirit
[QUOTE="osusfaith"]Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your own_AsasN_Wow! Thanks for coming out. lol You seriously call that crap a post? Try to think a little before you let your fanboy rage get the best of you. Playstation had a much, much bigger following than Xbox, so it's pretty obvious why all the multi-plats were made with less powerful hardware. So, where's your argument? You said he doesn't have one, so where in that piece of garbage post do you have an argument? Oh yeah, and considering this a video game forum, that last comment you made was pretty sad.
so kinda like 2mil compared to 10mil right
so again by cow logic the 360 will be getting the lead
[QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.FearlessSpirit
Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k
[QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k
[QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.Blackbond
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