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#51 FearlessSpirit
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Developers themselves disagree with you.
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Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k

So you lay the bricks before the steel beams.. gotcha.

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[QUOTE="_AsasN_"][QUOTE="osusfaith"]Then why were 99% of multiplat games last gen made with the less powerful PS2 as it's base console? There goes your entire argument. You fail at life, so seriously considering ending your ownonewiththegame

Wow! Thanks for coming out. lol You seriously call that crap a post? Try to think a little before you let your fanboy rage get the best of you. Playstation had a much, much bigger following than Xbox, so it's pretty obvious why all the multi-plats were made with less powerful hardware. So, where's your argument? You said he doesn't have one, so where in that piece of garbage post do you have an argument? Oh yeah, and considering this a video game forum, that last comment you made was pretty sad.

so kinda like 2mil compared to 10mil right

so again by cow logic the 360 will be getting the lead

add 30 million to that 10 million and that all 360 is selling.
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#54 massAttack2k
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[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.FearlessSpirit


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Developers themselves disagree with you.

Competition against those developers who disagree will crush them. If Sony continues to push out the amazing graphics it is getting out of its First Party, 3rd party developers will have to make a move or be left with the ugliest Next Gen games that are limited by 360.
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#55 FearlessSpirit
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Competition against those developers who disagree will crush them. If Sony continues to push out the amazing graphics it is getting out of its First Party, 3rd party developers will have to make a move or be left with the ugliest Next Gen games that are limited by 360. massAttack2k


If you say so. :|

And when exactly are we going to see games on PS3 that outperform the X360's games?
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#56 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Is this guy serious? :lol:

  • The console with the largest user base is the one that developers make the game on and then port to other systems.

  • 360 graphics are currently > PS3 graphics so I don't get why you say the 360 would hold devs back. The PS3 is what's holding devs back and that's why PS3 has lost so many exclusives.

  • Why port down when you can port up? If you port from weaker to a stronger system there shouldn't be any problems or sacrifices whether as if you port from a stronger to weaker system you have to cut corners and water the game down.

You obviously didn't learn anything from last gen with PS2 did you?
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Build the foundation, then the house, unfourtunately this guy can't figure out why his roof keeps falling down.

:lol:
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[QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Competition against those developers who disagree will crush them. If Sony continues to push out the amazing graphics it is getting out of its First Party, 3rd party developers will have to make a move or be left with the ugliest Next Gen games that are limited by 360. FearlessSpirit


If you say so. :|

And when exactly are we going to see games on PS3 that outperform the X360's games?

You already do with first generation games R:FOM and Motorstorm. 360 didnt get a good looking game till Geow at the very end of 1st Gen.
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MassAttack2k is right! Publishers will make the game for the most powerful system that looks the best! Don't you get it?!? PS3 will have the best graphics hands down once developers figure out how to program for it properly! Companies dont care how many units they can sell! They would rather lose their jobs and go on welfare as long as they can make the best looking game for the most failed system! Would you rather make a game that has the potential to sell 10 million units but not look the best or sell 1.5 million units and look great?!?! You would have to be an idiot not to see which is the correct answer!
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#59 FearlessSpirit
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[QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Competition against those developers who disagree will crush them. If Sony continues to push out the amazing graphics it is getting out of its First Party, 3rd party developers will have to make a move or be left with the ugliest Next Gen games that are limited by 360. massAttack2k


If you say so. :|

And when exactly are we going to see games on PS3 that outperform the X360's games?

You already do with first generation games R:FOM and Motorstorm. 360 didnt get a good looking game till Geow at the very end of 1st Gen.



Gears has better graphics then both of those. Nice try.

If you are going to say: 'Yeah, well... When X360 gets a great looking game then PS3 will have a less great looking game in comparision but since the PS3 launched later it looks better! ... right?' then I totally agree with you.
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]MassAttack2k is right! Publishers will make the game for the most powerful system that looks the best! Don't you get it?!? PS3 will have the best graphics hands down once developers figure out how to program for it properly! Companies dont care how many units they can sell! They would rather lose their jobs and go on welfare as long as they can make the best looking game for the most failed system! Would you rather make a game that has the potential to sell 10 million units but not look the best or sell 1.5 million units and look great?!?! You would have to be an idiot not to see which is the correct answer!

Sarcasm is weak because your info is wrong. 360 has 9.25 mln in sales not 10mln and probably 2 Million of those 360 sales are Broken down 360s. By end of March PS3 will have over 3 Million in sales and 360 will still be under 10 Million.
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#61 massAttack2k
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[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Competition against those developers who disagree will crush them. If Sony continues to push out the amazing graphics it is getting out of its First Party, 3rd party developers will have to make a move or be left with the ugliest Next Gen games that are limited by 360. FearlessSpirit


If you say so. :|

And when exactly are we going to see games on PS3 that outperform the X360's games?

You already do with first generation games R:FOM and Motorstorm. 360 didnt get a good looking game till Geow at the very end of 1st Gen.



Gears has better graphics then both of those. Nice try.

If you are going to say: 'Yeah, well... When X360 gets a great looking game then PS3 will have a less great looking game in comparision but since the PS3 launched later it looks better! ... right?' then I totally agree with you.

Not really. Gears is also only a 6-7 hour game, when you make a game so short yoiu can focus on graphics, if RFOM was a 7 hour game it would look better than Gears easily. UE3.0 isnt even that graphically great as it is made to be a multiplat engine that any dev can use. It hit its peak with Geow already.
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#62 FearlessSpirit
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[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="flazzle"]MassAttack2k is right! Publishers will make the game for the most powerful system that looks the best! Don't you get it?!? PS3 will have the best graphics hands down once developers figure out how to program for it properly! Companies dont care how many units they can sell! They would rather lose their jobs and go on welfare as long as they can make the best looking game for the most failed system! Would you rather make a game that has the potential to sell 10 million units but not look the best or sell 1.5 million units and look great?!?! You would have to be an idiot not to see which is the correct answer!

Sarcasm is weak because your info is wrong. 360 has 9.25 mln in sales not 10mln and probably 2 Million of those 360 sales are Broken down 360s. By end of March PS3 will have over 3 Million in sales and 360 will still be under 10 Million.



So according to you, over 20% of X360's are faulty?

Link? Offcourse not, you are lying right there.
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Get ready to get destroyed verbally of course.

Self Ownage # 1
First you say porting down is easier then porrting up for the noobminded. Then you say It doesn't matter whether its hard or is. Are you going to stick to your point or damage control and run away from it?

Self Ownage #2

Next you say 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform and weaker hardware. Yet you failed to realize PS3 has as of today the worst hardware and software sales out of the three companies. So you have no room to talk about 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform. Maybe you should direct that question to the PS3.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/npd-lost-planet-leads-strong-january-game-sales/

TOP 10 GAMES: December 31, 2006-February 3, 2007: (sales numbers are approximate)
1) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360, Capcom, Jan. 2007) -- 329,000 copies
2) Guitar Hero II (with Guitar Controller) (PS2, Activision, Nov. 2006) -- 224,000 copies
3) Gears of War (Xbox 360, Microsoft, Nov. 2006) -- 212,000 copies
4) WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo, Jan. 2007) -- 201,000 copies
5) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 189,000 copies
6) Madden NFL 07 (PS2, Electronic Arts, Aug. 2006)
7) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
8) Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3, SCEA, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
9) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (Xbox 360, Ubisoft, Nov. 2006)
10) New Super Mario Bros. (DS, Nintendo, May 2006)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/wii-outsells-both-360-and-ps3-in-january-despite-shortages/

January Sales


  1. Wii - 436,000 units
  2. 360 - 294,000 units
  3. PS3 - 244,000 units
Self Ownage #3

You claim that in the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.

If the HD era is so important then why didn't Sony pack in HDMI or even at least component cables in the box with the PS3? You are HD ready with 360 from the get go. The adoption rate of HDTV's is far to low to claim that we are in the HD era. Tell me how we are in the HD era when there isn't even a winner of the HiDef format war?



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[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="flazzle"]MassAttack2k is right! Publishers will make the game for the most powerful system that looks the best! Don't you get it?!? PS3 will have the best graphics hands down once developers figure out how to program for it properly! Companies dont care how many units they can sell! They would rather lose their jobs and go on welfare as long as they can make the best looking game for the most failed system! Would you rather make a game that has the potential to sell 10 million units but not look the best or sell 1.5 million units and look great?!?! You would have to be an idiot not to see which is the correct answer!

Sarcasm is weak because your info is wrong. 360 has 9.25 mln in sales not 10mln and probably 2 Million of those 360 sales are Broken down 360s. By end of March PS3 will have over 3 Million in sales and 360 will still be under 10 Million.

Since when does bad information equal bad sarcasm. And just where am I being sarcastic?! I'm agreeing with you!
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[QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Competition against those developers who disagree will crush them. If Sony continues to push out the amazing graphics it is getting out of its First Party, 3rd party developers will have to make a move or be left with the ugliest Next Gen games that are limited by 360. massAttack2k


If you say so. :|

And when exactly are we going to see games on PS3 that outperform the X360's games?

You already do with first generation games R:FOM and Motorstorm. 360 didnt get a good looking game till Geow at the very end of 1st Gen.



Gears has better graphics then both of those. Nice try.

If you are going to say: 'Yeah, well... When X360 gets a great looking game then PS3 will have a less great looking game in comparision but since the PS3 launched later it looks better! ... right?' then I totally agree with you.

Not really. Gears is also only a 6-7 hour game, when you make a game so short yoiu can focus on graphics, if RFOM was a 7 hour game it would look better than Gears easily. UE3.0 isnt even that graphically great as it is made to be a multiplat engine that any dev can use. It hit its peak with Geow already.



Glad to see you agree Gears looks better then the ones you mentioned earlier.

Oh, and it's a 10 hour game by the way. Just because people say they've cleared it in 6 hours (which they have done by the way on casual and a second time through the game) doesn't make the game 6 hours long. Read good reviews. They all state it to last at least 10 hours.

And Unreal Engine 3 isn't great graphically huh? Do you see anything better on consoles? No.
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[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Competition against those developers who disagree will crush them. If Sony continues to push out the amazing graphics it is getting out of its First Party, 3rd party developers will have to make a move or be left with the ugliest Next Gen games that are limited by 360. FearlessSpirit


If you say so. :|

And when exactly are we going to see games on PS3 that outperform the X360's games?

You already do with first generation games R:FOM and Motorstorm. 360 didnt get a good looking game till Geow at the very end of 1st Gen.



Gears has better graphics then both of those. Nice try.

If you are going to say: 'Yeah, well... When X360 gets a great looking game then PS3 will have a less great looking game in comparision but since the PS3 launched later it looks better! ... right?' then I totally agree with you.

Not really. Gears is also only a 6-7 hour game, when you make a game so short yoiu can focus on graphics, if RFOM was a 7 hour game it would look better than Gears easily. UE3.0 isnt even that graphically great as it is made to be a multiplat engine that any dev can use. It hit its peak with Geow already.



Glad to see you agree Gears looks better then the ones you mentioned earlier.

Oh, and it's a 10 hour game by the way. Just because people say they've cleared it in 6 hours (which they have done by the way on casual and a second time through the game) doesn't make the game 6 hours long. Read good reviews. They all state it to last at least 10 hours.

And Unreal Engine 3 isn't great graphically huh? Do you see anything better on consoles? No.

UE3.0 gets away with using a lot of Bloom. It has very short Draw Distances, its not the greatest at Physics either. When you see Ratchet and Clank unveiled this month you will say Gears of War is ugly.
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Shut up fakeboy:|
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[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.Blackbond


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Get ready to get destroyed verbally of course.

Self Ownage # 1
First you say porting down is easier then porrting up for the noobminded. Then you say It doesn't matter whether its hard or is. Are you going to stick to your point or damage control and run away from it?

Self Ownage #2

Next you say 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform and weaker hardware. Yet you failed to realize PS3 has as of today the worst hardware and software sales out of the three companies. So you have no room to talk about 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform. Maybe you should direct that question to the PS3.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/npd-lost-planet-leads-strong-january-game-sales/

TOP 10 GAMES: December 31, 2006-February 3, 2007: (sales numbers are approximate)
1) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360, Capcom, Jan. 2007) -- 329,000 copies
2) Guitar Hero II (with Guitar Controller) (PS2, Activision, Nov. 2006) -- 224,000 copies
3) Gears of War (Xbox 360, Microsoft, Nov. 2006) -- 212,000 copies
4) WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo, Jan. 2007) -- 201,000 copies
5) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 189,000 copies
6) Madden NFL 07 (PS2, Electronic Arts, Aug. 2006)
7) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
8) Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3, SCEA, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
9) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (Xbox 360, Ubisoft, Nov. 2006)
10) New Super Mario Bros. (DS, Nintendo, May 2006)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/wii-outsells-both-360-and-ps3-in-january-despite-shortages/

January Sales


  1. Wii - 436,000 units
  2. 360 - 294,000 units
  3. PS3 - 244,000 units
Self Ownage #3

You claim that in the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.

If the HD era is so important then why didn't Sony pack in HDMI or even at least component cables in the box with the PS3? You are HD ready with 360 from the get go. The adoption rate of HDTV's is far to low to claim that we are in the HD era. Tell me how we are in the HD era when there isn't even a winner of the HiDef format war?



Very nice. I"m quoting this for truth and waiting in anticipation for the poor child to reply to this.
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One flaw in your argument, PS3 is NOT superior.Arsuz
So I guess you haven't seen the specs, huh?
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.TheCrazed420


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Get ready to get destroyed verbally of course.

Self Ownage # 1
First you say porting down is easier then porrting up for the noobminded. Then you say It doesn't matter whether its hard or is. Are you going to stick to your point or damage control and run away from it?

Self Ownage #2

Next you say 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform and weaker hardware. Yet you failed to realize PS3 has as of today the worst hardware and software sales out of the three companies. So you have no room to talk about 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform. Maybe you should direct that question to the PS3.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/npd-lost-planet-leads-strong-january-game-sales/

TOP 10 GAMES: December 31, 2006-February 3, 2007: (sales numbers are approximate)
1) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360, Capcom, Jan. 2007) -- 329,000 copies
2) Guitar Hero II (with Guitar Controller) (PS2, Activision, Nov. 2006) -- 224,000 copies
3) Gears of War (Xbox 360, Microsoft, Nov. 2006) -- 212,000 copies
4) WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo, Jan. 2007) -- 201,000 copies
5) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 189,000 copies
6) Madden NFL 07 (PS2, Electronic Arts, Aug. 2006)
7) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
8) Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3, SCEA, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
9) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (Xbox 360, Ubisoft, Nov. 2006)
10) New Super Mario Bros. (DS, Nintendo, May 2006)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/wii-outsells-both-360-and-ps3-in-january-despite-shortages/

January Sales


Wii - 436,000 units
360 - 294,000 unitsPS3 - 244,000 unitsSelf Ownage #3

You claim that in the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.

If the HD era is so important then why didn't Sony pack in HDMI or even at least component cables in the box with the PS3? You are HD ready with 360 from the get go. The adoption rate of HDTV's is far to low to claim that we are in the HD era. Tell me how we are in the HD era when there isn't even a winner of the HiDef format war?



Very nice. I"m quoting this for truth and waiting in anticipation for the poor child to reply to this.

I already laughed and moved on. :lol:
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[QUOTE="Arsuz"]One flaw in your argument, PS3 is NOT superior.Twisted_Hawk
So I guess you haven't seen the specs, huh?

We'd rather see some proof before the specs. Great specs /= great product.
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[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Get ready to get destroyed verbally of course.

Self Ownage # 1
First you say porting down is easier then porrting up for the noobminded. Then you say It doesn't matter whether its hard or is. Are you going to stick to your point or damage control and run away from it?

Self Ownage #2

Next you say 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform and weaker hardware. Yet you failed to realize PS3 has as of today the worst hardware and software sales out of the three companies. So you have no room to talk about 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform. Maybe you should direct that question to the PS3.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/npd-lost-planet-leads-strong-january-game-sales/

TOP 10 GAMES: December 31, 2006-February 3, 2007: (sales numbers are approximate)
1) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360, Capcom, Jan. 2007) -- 329,000 copies
2) Guitar Hero II (with Guitar Controller) (PS2, Activision, Nov. 2006) -- 224,000 copies
3) Gears of War (Xbox 360, Microsoft, Nov. 2006) -- 212,000 copies
4) WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo, Jan. 2007) -- 201,000 copies
5) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 189,000 copies
6) Madden NFL 07 (PS2, Electronic Arts, Aug. 2006)
7) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
8) Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3, SCEA, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
9) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (Xbox 360, Ubisoft, Nov. 2006)
10) New Super Mario Bros. (DS, Nintendo, May 2006)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/wii-outsells-both-360-and-ps3-in-january-despite-shortages/

January Sales


Wii - 436,000 units
360 - 294,000 unitsPS3 - 244,000 unitsSelf Ownage #3

You claim that in the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.

If the HD era is so important then why didn't Sony pack in HDMI or even at least component cables in the box with the PS3? You are HD ready with 360 from the get go. The adoption rate of HDTV's is far to low to claim that we are in the HD era. Tell me how we are in the HD era when there isn't even a winner of the HiDef format war?



Very nice. I"m quoting this for truth and waiting in anticipation for the poor child to reply to this.

I already laughed and moved on. :lol:



So you have no defense, no counter arguement, or nothing to say in defense of every point of yours that I proved wrong?
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#73 flazzle
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Yeah! Give a good counter argument!
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damn this cow talks alot of crap in one day 0_0 how many posts you made today now? whats up with your ps3 cant be that great if your sat on your lard ass posting crap all day
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[QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.Blackbond


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Get ready to get destroyed verbally of course.

Self Ownage # 1
First you say porting down is easier then porrting up for the noobminded. Then you say It doesn't matter whether its hard or is. Are you going to stick to your point or damage control and run away from it?

Self Ownage #2

Next you say 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform and weaker hardware. Yet you failed to realize PS3 has as of today the worst hardware and software sales out of the three companies. So you have no room to talk about 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform. Maybe you should direct that question to the PS3.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/npd-lost-planet-leads-strong-january-game-sales/

TOP 10 GAMES: December 31, 2006-February 3, 2007: (sales numbers are approximate)
1) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360, Capcom, Jan. 2007) -- 329,000 copies
2) Guitar Hero II (with Guitar Controller) (PS2, Activision, Nov. 2006) -- 224,000 copies
3) Gears of War (Xbox 360, Microsoft, Nov. 2006) -- 212,000 copies
4) WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo, Jan. 2007) -- 201,000 copies
5) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 189,000 copies
6) Madden NFL 07 (PS2, Electronic Arts, Aug. 2006)
7) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
8) Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3, SCEA, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
9) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (Xbox 360, Ubisoft, Nov. 2006)
10) New Super Mario Bros. (DS, Nintendo, May 2006)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/wii-outsells-both-360-and-ps3-in-january-despite-shortages/

January Sales


Wii - 436,000 units
360 - 294,000 unitsPS3 - 244,000 unitsSelf Ownage #3

You claim that in the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.

If the HD era is so important then why didn't Sony pack in HDMI or even at least component cables in the box with the PS3? You are HD ready with 360 from the get go. The adoption rate of HDTV's is far to low to claim that we are in the HD era. Tell me how we are in the HD era when there isn't even a winner of the HiDef format war?



Very nice. I"m quoting this for truth and waiting in anticipation for the poor child to reply to this.

I already laughed and moved on. :lol:



So you have no defense, no counter arguement, or nothing to say in defense of every point of yours that I proved wrong?

All i saw was self ownage. 360 only sold 290,000 50k more than PS3 which had only 1 killer ap thru January and $600 price tag. YOU self owned yourself. Your 3rd point about HDMI was complete joke. And your first point was bigger joke. Start over with a new argument worth talking about, or go to the OP and find something else to talk about.
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Get ready to get destroyed verbally of course.

Self Ownage # 1
First you say porting down is easier then porrting up for the noobminded. Then you say It doesn't matter whether its hard or is. Are you going to stick to your point or damage control and run away from it?

Self Ownage #2

Next you say 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform and weaker hardware. Yet you failed to realize PS3 has as of today the worst hardware and software sales out of the three companies. So you have no room to talk about 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform. Maybe you should direct that question to the PS3.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/npd-lost-planet-leads-strong-january-game-sales/

TOP 10 GAMES: December 31, 2006-February 3, 2007: (sales numbers are approximate)
1) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360, Capcom, Jan. 2007) -- 329,000 copies
2) Guitar Hero II (with Guitar Controller) (PS2, Activision, Nov. 2006) -- 224,000 copies
3) Gears of War (Xbox 360, Microsoft, Nov. 2006) -- 212,000 copies
4) WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo, Jan. 2007) -- 201,000 copies
5) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 189,000 copies
6) Madden NFL 07 (PS2, Electronic Arts, Aug. 2006)
7) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
8) Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3, SCEA, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
9) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (Xbox 360, Ubisoft, Nov. 2006)
10) New Super Mario Bros. (DS, Nintendo, May 2006)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/wii-outsells-both-360-and-ps3-in-january-despite-shortages/

January Sales


Wii - 436,000 units
360 - 294,000 unitsPS3 - 244,000 unitsSelf Ownage #3

You claim that in the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.

If the HD era is so important then why didn't Sony pack in HDMI or even at least component cables in the box with the PS3? You are HD ready with 360 from the get go. The adoption rate of HDTV's is far to low to claim that we are in the HD era. Tell me how we are in the HD era when there isn't even a winner of the HiDef format war?



Very nice. I"m quoting this for truth and waiting in anticipation for the poor child to reply to this.

I already laughed and moved on. :lol:



So you have no defense, no counter arguement, or nothing to say in defense of every point of yours that I proved wrong?

All i saw was self ownage. 360 only sold 290,000 50k more than PS3 which had only 1 killer ap thru January and $600 price tag. YOU self owned yourself. Your 3rd point about HDMI was complete joke. And your first point was bigger joke. Start over with a new argument worth talking about, or go to the OP and find something else to talk about.

Lamest damage control EVA. I got the popcorn ready for this? Any one else shaking their head in disaapontment say aye.
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#77 flazzle
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All i saw was self ownage. 360 only sold 290,000 50k more than PS3 which had only 1 killer ap thru January and $600 price tag. YOU self owned yourself. Your 3rd point about HDMI was complete joke. And your first point was bigger joke. Start over with a new argument worth talking about, or go to the OP and find something else to talk about.massAttack2k
Nah, I think you got owned. Try a better counter argument. You were almost there with the HDMI, but not quite. You should state each point you can counter, and give an explanation below instead of a general response IMO.
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#78 Blackbond
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MassAttack2k you want to explain to me with some facts on why my post is wrong or are you just going to spout off with your blind deluded opinions again.
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This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:

Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.

The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Sony fans will Rejoice and Microsoft fans am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k

I wish that my console didn't have 5 AAA titles so that I could sit around all day and make up stuff like this...anyways...back to the games.

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#80 flazzle
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MassAttack2k you want to explain to me with some facts on why my post is wrong or are you just going to spout off with your blind deluded opinions again.Blackbond
Give MassAttck2k a chance! Im sure he can do it!
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#81 TheCrazed420
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]MassAttack2k you want to explain to me with some facts on why my post is wrong or are you just going to spout off with your blind deluded opinions again.flazzle
Give MassAttck2k a chance! Im sure he can do it!

I did give him a chance. His fanboy BS finally shone through and he got owned. HARD. I think Blackbond can add another notch to that belt of his....
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#82 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]MassAttack2k you want to explain to me with some facts on why my post is wrong or are you just going to spout off with your blind deluded opinions again.TheCrazed420
Give MassAttck2k a chance! Im sure he can do it!

I did give him a chance. His fanboy BS finally shone through and he got owned. HARD. I think Blackbond can add another notch to that belt of his....



Consider it done.
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#83 seabiscuit8686
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This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:

Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.

The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Sony fans will Rejoice and Microsoft fans am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k
Thank you for your expert opinion. It is noted next to all the others in the "thinks they might know something" category
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#84 Buff-McBlumpkin
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The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay,massAttack2k

1: How do you explain Halo CE looking better than all PS2 games when it launched despite the fact that the PS2 had a 1 year head start?

2: How do you explain the fact that even though the PS2 was the graphically inferior console it got by far the most developer support and fan attention?

3: Given number 2, what would lead you to believe that the graphical differences between the PS3 and the 360 this generation will have an affect on sales when the difference between the PS2 and the XBox was far greater and despite this the PS2 "won?" 

4: How do you explain the Japanese powerhouse that is DQ being shifted to the the weak (graphically speaking) DS from the powerful PS3? if graphical capability were the main concern why in the world would something like this happen?

It's clear that developers don't care about graphical capabilities any near as much as they care about total user base.

You post way, way too much and don't think nearly enough. Think before you post, please.

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#85 darcom1
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One flaw in your argument, PS3 is NOT superior.Arsuz

you don't have one write ..... go to tacobell get a job ang $$$$$$ see the difference for your self
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#86 gnutux
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Porting down? Nonsense. Both system has graphics power as "next-gen". The only console that requires porting down is the Wii. Yes, the XBOX 360 and the PS3's graphics are almost identical (with the XBOX 360 better due to Anti-Aliasing capabilities). Both boxes support 1080p, both boxes support an almost identical graphics requirement. With one using DirectX 9-based and the other one OpenGL 2.1-based. Right now, if you look at any and all screenshots, it shows that the XBOX 360 still has better graphics due to better use of HDR and Blooming. Just look at EA FN3. (On the multi-platform ones) I was just playing the PS3 at my local EBGames, and I do say that the PS3 still has lag issues, the game freezes once in a while, it has really crappy anti-aliasing issues and I can see the damn character model outlines. I was thinking ... "next-gen"? Guess not. Btw, the sixaxis needs some adjustment, it's way too sensitive and it has directional problems, turning the controller left makes a MotorStorm car turn right. gnutux
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#87 Buff-McBlumpkin
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you don't have one write ..... go to tacobell get a job ang $$$$$$ see the difference for your self
darcom1

This post should be separated from this thread and permanently floated to the top of the forum. It perfectly summarizes System Wars.

1: It has horrible grammar and spelling.

2: It makes absolutely no sense. There is no possible way it can be changed to make less sense.

3: It makes you feel bad about yourself just for having participated in such a pathetic forum.

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#88 massAttack2k
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[QUOTE="gnutux"]Porting down? Nonsense. Both system has graphics power as "next-gen". The only console that requires porting down is the Wii. Yes, the XBOX 360 and the PS3's graphics are almost identical (with the XBOX 360 better due to Anti-Aliasing capabilities). Both boxes support 1080p, both boxes support an almost identical graphics requirement. With one using DirectX 9-based and the other one OpenGL 2.1-based. Right now, if you look at any and all screenshots, it shows that the XBOX 360 still has better graphics due to better use of HDR and Blooming. Just look at EA FN3. (On the multi-platform ones) I was just playing the PS3 at my local EBGames, and I do say that the PS3 still has lag issues, the game freezes once in a while, it has really crappy anti-aliasing issues and I can see the damn character model outlines. I was thinking ... "next-gen"? Guess not. Btw, the sixaxis needs some adjustment, it's way too sensitive and it has directional problems, turning the controller left makes a MotorStorm car turn right. gnutux

Stop Dreaming please
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MassAttack2k are you going to keep running or are you actual going to put some FACTS together to try and redeem yourself?
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This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:

Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.

The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Sony fans will Rejoice and Microsoft fans am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k
Let me tell you something, PS3 hardware SUCKS, yeah I said it, NVIDIA gpu that can't even put AA+HDR in the same screen, poorly designed architecture... I mean c'mon the only thing it has against the 360 is blu ray..., you just reached a WHOLE new level in fanboy terms.
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[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="massAttack2k"]Porting down is easier than Porting up for the noobminded.massAttack2k


Porting down is harder how can you not realize this? If you port from a weaker system to a more powerful the game suffers no ill effects but if you port down from a more powerful to a weaker system the game has to be cut down and watered down. You are just self owning yourself.

It doesnt matter whether its hard or easy. Publishers want the best looking game they can get that is playable and to compete with other games. 360 wont have enough sales to support being the target platform and being the weaker hardware. In the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.



Get ready to get destroyed verbally of course.

Self Ownage # 1
First you say porting down is easier then porrting up for the noobminded. Then you say It doesn't matter whether its hard or is. Are you going to stick to your point or damage control and run away from it?

Self Ownage #2

Next you say 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform and weaker hardware. Yet you failed to realize PS3 has as of today the worst hardware and software sales out of the three companies. So you have no room to talk about 360 won't have enough sales to support being the target platform. Maybe you should direct that question to the PS3.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/npd-lost-planet-leads-strong-january-game-sales/

TOP 10 GAMES: December 31, 2006-February 3, 2007: (sales numbers are approximate)
1) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360, Capcom, Jan. 2007) -- 329,000 copies
2) Guitar Hero II (with Guitar Controller) (PS2, Activision, Nov. 2006) -- 224,000 copies
3) Gears of War (Xbox 360, Microsoft, Nov. 2006) -- 212,000 copies
4) WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo, Jan. 2007) -- 201,000 copies
5) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 189,000 copies
6) Madden NFL 07 (PS2, Electronic Arts, Aug. 2006)
7) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube, Nintendo, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
8) Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3, SCEA, Nov. 2006) -- 144,000 copies
9) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (Xbox 360, Ubisoft, Nov. 2006)
10) New Super Mario Bros. (DS, Nintendo, May 2006)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/21/wii-outsells-both-360-and-ps3-in-january-despite-shortages/

January Sales


Wii - 436,000 units
360 - 294,000 unitsPS3 - 244,000 unitsSelf Ownage #3

You claim that in the HD era graphics are more important than ever for developers and publishers. 360 is limiting that.

If the HD era is so important then why didn't Sony pack in HDMI or even at least component cables in the box with the PS3? You are HD ready with 360 from the get go. The adoption rate of HDTV's is far to low to claim that we are in the HD era. Tell me how we are in the HD era when there isn't even a winner of the HiDef format war?



Very nice. I"m quoting this for truth and waiting in anticipation for the poor child to reply to this.

I already laughed and moved on. :lol:

Translation: I got owned so hard i just was too scared to post a rebuttal.
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One flaw in your argument, PS3 is NOT superior.Arsuz
That is true if you were a true gamer or a true fanboy you would have seen the thousands of posts and hundreds of sites saying 360 >>PS3
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#93 -Beowulf
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This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:

Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.

The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Sony fans will Rejoice and Microsoft fans am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k


Keep telling yourself that.
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#94 H3llstrike
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This is very important, so pay attention! :idea:

Publishers in the future will NEED not want...NEED to keep the games they fund and market up to par with competing games graphically. Comprende? They will naturally gravitate towards the Playstation 3 as it is the superior hardware and port down to the 360, because the 360 will be limiting the games too much graphically to continue supporting the 360 as the lead platform any further.

The only reason some 360 Multiplatform games theoretically have looked better on the 360 is because the PS3 1 year delay, publishers and devs decided to go with the 360 as target and port down to the PS3. The future this wont be the case and heads will roll when Playstation 3's superiority starts to shine through on Multiplat titles like it already does with First Party titles. When all the important games start as PS3 target platform like Burnout 5, Resident Evil 5, GTA IV, Army of Two....etc, Sony fans will Rejoice and Microsoft fans am Cry to sleep.massAttack2k
Speculation FTW
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[QUOTE="darcom1"]you don't have one write ..... go to tacobell get a job ang $$$$$$ see the difference for your self
Buff-McBlumpkin

This post should be separated from this thread and permanently floated to the top of the forum. It perfectly summarizes System Wars.

1: It has horrible grammar and spelling.

2: It makes absolutely no sense. There is no possible way it can be changed to make less sense.

3: It makes you feel bad about yourself just for having participated in such a pathetic forum.

Preach on brotha preach on.
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#96 tomertr
Member since 2004 • 1180 Posts
wow SW has been overrun with cows, i wonder why