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#1 Ambli
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Wasn't there a thread here nto to long ago bashing Gears of War 2 for not being able to handle mroe then 5 on 5 and how the Ps3 is better?

So, do you think 5 vs. 5 is a good move? or should they expand it?

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The fact that there is multiplayer to begin with is surprising enough. I don't really care for numbers of people in a game as long as I get a good game experience out of it.
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#3 SpruceCaboose
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People who bashed the 5 on 5 were people who did not understand Gears 2.
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#4 pyromaniac223
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It's obviously just a design choice. More than that wouldn't work well in either Gears or Uncharted.
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#5 Couth_
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It's probably a good idea to leave it. The gameplay mechanics of both games wouldn't work with more players
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#6 Chutebox  Online
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Why must threads always be started based on what fanboys said, it's always a bad idea.

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#7 freediro
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The argument was at least from no blinf fanboys was that, R2 multiplayer gives you the option to have up to 30 v 30. Only someone who doesn't knwo what they are talking about or is just a fanboy or hasn't played the game would say the 360 can't handle 30 v 30. its not the system its the devs! why do people always try to blame or give credit to systems when its the devs that dictate everything that happens?

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#8 svetzenlether
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So we can expect a 3-4 hour long SP campaign, then?

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#9 -Melix-
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People are not bashing that gears has 5 vs 5... People have just been saying that xbox360 multiplayer is very limited, in terms of large game battles...

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#10 Sgt_Hale
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I'm not sure how 'fun' it's be... I normally only play fps online (w/ the exception of Warhawk). In the case of Gears, I played it online for a while and then got tired of it. I'm thinking it may end up being the same for Uncharted 2. But I do like the inclusion of the melee system in online though. And the co-op sounds awesome! I'll check out the beta before I make my judgement, but I think the single player is the component that I'm looking forward to the most.
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#11 -Melix-
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So we can expect a 3-4 hour long SP campaign, then?

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The devs, mentioned that the multiplayer will not affect the sp..

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#12 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

So we can expect a 3-4 hour long SP campaign, then?

-Melix-

The devs, mentioned that the multiplayer will not affect the sp..

Yup. You can work on MP for free and with no man hours of work.
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People are not bashing that gears has 5 vs 5... People have just been saying that xbox360 multiplayer is very limited, in terms of large game battles...

-Melix-
No sir. The thread were about hwo the weak 360 harware leads PSN to being better. The key reason was the fact that KZ had like 32 players, and Gears had 5 v 5.
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#14 Ek-Andy
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Likely sub par multiplayer spoiling my single player :(. I don't really care though. I just hope the SP is still great.

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#15 -Traveller-
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I would think that games have a multiplayer that is coherent to the rest of the game.

Having uncharted with 16v16 just would not make any sense.

That being said, i'm hoping this turns out to be quite good, but i'm not getting excited.

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#16 -Melix-
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[QUOTE="-Melix-"]

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

So we can expect a 3-4 hour long SP campaign, then?

SpruceCaboose

The devs, mentioned that the multiplayer will not affect the sp..

Yup. You can work on MP for free and with no man hours of work.

Thats why you have seperate division working on different parts...

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I personally dislike when there are too many people in one game. It needs to be balanced. GeOW is fine the way it is. It allows for good team coordination. How often will you see a team of 10+ random players play well together as a team? Rarely...
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#18 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="-Melix-"]

The devs, mentioned that the multiplayer will not affect the sp..

-Melix-

Yup. You can work on MP for free and with no man hours of work.

Thats why you have seperate division working on different parts...

Content takes time and money and manpower. That comes from somewhere, separate division or not. Its all taking ND resources.
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#19 NYrockinlegend
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OF COURSE XBox 360 can handle more than 10 players! What about COD? Halo 3? Those AT LEAST had 16 players. It depends on the game to me. While Resistance is the kind of game to have 40-60 players, other games would be far too hectic to play that many players on. Even 16 v 16 is too much for KZ2(I prefer 8 v 8 MEDIUM matches). Small can be boring, but I think 10 players ought to be enough, especially with the platforming and exploring in between firefights. It's not a constant firefight like COD or Resistance.
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#20 SilverChimera
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Wasn't there a thread here nto to long ago bashing Gears of War 2 for not being able to handle mroe then 5 on 5 and how the Ps3 is better?

So, do you think 5 vs. 5 is a good move? or should they expand it?

Ambli
the only people who bash gears 2 online are in response to lems who say gears 2 online is better than resistance 2's. more players may not make it better, but its definitely more fun with 60 players than 10
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#21 NYrockinlegend
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[QUOTE="Ambli"]

Wasn't there a thread here nto to long ago bashing Gears of War 2 for not being able to handle mroe then 5 on 5 and how the Ps3 is better?

So, do you think 5 vs. 5 is a good move? or should they expand it?

SilverChimera
the only people who bash gears 2 online are in response to lems who say gears 2 online is better than resistance 2's. more players may not make it better, but its definitely more fun with 60 players than 10

R2 online may be more fun, but there has to be more reasons other than "more players". The more players certainly makes Resistance 2 very fun, but how does this hurt Gears 2, a game that's supposed to be slow-paced?
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Yup, it's the pure hypocrisy of fanboyism at work. I don't want Uncharted or Gears with 40-60 players. That'd blow chunks.

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#23 SilverChimera
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="Ambli"]

Wasn't there a thread here nto to long ago bashing Gears of War 2 for not being able to handle mroe then 5 on 5 and how the Ps3 is better?

So, do you think 5 vs. 5 is a good move? or should they expand it?

NYrockinlegend
the only people who bash gears 2 online are in response to lems who say gears 2 online is better than resistance 2's. more players may not make it better, but its definitely more fun with 60 players than 10

R2 online may be more fun, but there has to be more reasons other than "more players". The more players certainly makes Resistance 2 very fun, but how does this hurt Gears 2, a game that's supposed to be slow-paced?

it doesn't. i was just saying that resistance 2's online play is def. more fun and people who bash gears 2's are just saying that and are using the 60 vs 10 player cap as an example. gears 2's online is 8/10 rating max IMO. it was just a shotgun fest. but whatev's
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#24 GodofBigMacs
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It's supposed to be tactical...
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[QUOTE="Ambli"]

Wasn't there a thread here nto to long ago bashing Gears of War 2 for not being able to handle mroe then 5 on 5 and how the Ps3 is better?

So, do you think 5 vs. 5 is a good move? or should they expand it?

SilverChimera
the only people who bash gears 2 online are in response to lems who say gears 2 online is better than resistance 2's. more players may not make it better, but its definitely more fun with 60 players than 10

Hmmm "More players may not make a better game" "It's more fun with 60 then 10" Quite the fallacy
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#26 NYrockinlegend
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] the only people who bash gears 2 online are in response to lems who say gears 2 online is better than resistance 2's. more players may not make it better, but its definitely more fun with 60 players than 10

R2 online may be more fun, but there has to be more reasons other than "more players". The more players certainly makes Resistance 2 very fun, but how does this hurt Gears 2, a game that's supposed to be slow-paced?

it doesn't. i was just saying that resistance 2's online play is def. more fun and people who bash gears 2's are just saying that and are using the 60 vs 10 player cap as an example. gears 2's online is 8/10 rating max IMO. it was just a shotgun fest. but whatev's

Okay, I understand where you're coming from. Games that short in scale may tend to be sniper fests or shotgun fests. I hate games like that, and I'm afraid KZ2 has become what is a shotgun fest due to shorter scale maps. R2 is a sniper fest also. Well, it's either sniper fest or shotgun fest. Your pick.:P
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#27 lawlessx
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It's supposed to be tactical...GodofBigMacs
didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:
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#28 NYrockinlegend
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"Tactical" is a very subjective way to talk about games. You could say R2 is "tactical", or COD 4, or KZ2. Some games are tactical in different ways than others. For instance, I feel KZ2 is tactical for the multiple roles each player can take control of. The careful initiation of each of these classes is what draws a team to victory most of the time. At the same time, I think R2 is tactical because you have to make an effort to avoid sniper fire, lots of other gunfire to avoid, and depending on the situation, there is a weapon that's better than the rest(which changes each situation). Because of the large-scale maps, it lends itself to a bunch of different playing styles. For instance, I'll want a sniper rifle if everyone is running and gunning with a carbine, but I may need an auger for protection and maybe shooting through walls is the best at the time. Then another time, I may want to use the wraith because I can creep by and wait for someone to shoot to death. A slow-paced game is "tactical" because you need to THINK your actions through and choose the best method available, watching your every move and bullet. That's why I think Gears 2 is tactical, as well as Socom.
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#29 Couth_
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]It's supposed to be tactical...lawlessx
didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:

Neither of them are tactical. They are just cover based, and slower paced. A bunch of slow Cogs running around with chainsaws wouldn't work, neither would this
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#30 NYrockinlegend
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R2 is a borefest with only 10 players though. However, Gears would become too **** up with 60 players.
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[QUOTE="Ambli"]

Wasn't there a thread here nto to long ago bashing Gears of War 2 for not being able to handle mroe then 5 on 5 and how the Ps3 is better?

So, do you think 5 vs. 5 is a good move? or should they expand it?

Well, now Sony has 5 vs. 5 and 30 vs. 30... winner!
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]It's supposed to be tactical...Couth_
didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:

Neither of them are tactical. They are just cover based, and slower paced. A bunch of slow Cogs running around with chainsaws wouldn't work, neither would this

It doesn't matter what ones opinion of said game is, but what the actual fact is.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/g/gearsofwar/20061201-onlinestrategy.htm

It's a game about tactical-based cover.

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#33 muzik_mafia
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I personally dislike when there are too many people in one game. It needs to be balanced. GeOW is fine the way it is. It allows for good team coordination. How often will you see a team of 10+ random players play well together as a team? Rarely...JunkTrap
Says the guy who has PROBABLY never played a 60-man TDM...
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#34 -Melix-
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]It's supposed to be tactical...lawlessx
didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:

Nope, Gears was bashed not because it was a tactical game but it was a rather lag fest with only 5vs5..

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#35 rorskarch
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Wasn't there a thread here nto to long ago bashing Gears of War 2 for not being able to handle mroe then 5 on 5 and how the Ps3 is better?

So, do you think 5 vs. 5 is a good move? or should they expand it?

Ambli
mp wouldnt work for this game if it was any more than 5v5. gears mp is a completely different story, there is no way to compare them for these reasons.
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#36 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:BioShockOwnz

Neither of them are tactical. They are just cover based, and slower paced. A bunch of slow Cogs running around with chainsaws wouldn't work, neither would this

It doesn't matter what ones opinion of said game is, but what the actual fact is.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/g/gearsofwar/20061201-onlinestrategy.htm

It's a game about tactical-based cover.

That would also be the opinion of who wrote that article...
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]It's supposed to be tactical...-Melix-

didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:

Nope, Gears was bashed not because it was a tactical game but it was a rather lag fest with only 5vs5..

I had no issues with Gears. It's P2P, so you should join a room with a host that has a better connection.

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#38 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]It's supposed to be tactical...lawlessx
didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:

gears is a game with one whole army vs another whole army, so it would make more sense for that to have more people than a game like uncharted that has one antagonist with a partner fighting against some bandits, in which case it would need to be fewer numbers which would inevitably be more tactical most likely.
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]It's supposed to be tactical...rorskarch
didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:

gears is a game with one whole army vs another whole army, so it would make more sense for that to have more people than a game like uncharted that has one antagonist with a partner fighting against some bandits, in which case it would need to be fewer numbers which would inevitably be more tactical most likely.

you mean like gears of war? :|

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]Neither of them are tactical. They are just cover based, and slower paced. A bunch of slow Cogs running around with chainsaws wouldn't work, neither would thisCouth_

It doesn't matter what ones opinion of said game is, but what the actual fact is.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/g/gearsofwar/20061201-onlinestrategy.htm

It's a game about tactical-based cover.

That would also be the opinion of who wrote that article...

It's pretty clear it's more of a tactical game, or else cover wouldn't be such an integral part to the gameplay. If you use cover or not is your own decision, but you'll be more successful with it, thus using tactics to be better at the game. This is no Halo or Unreal.

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#41 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

It doesn't matter what ones opinion of said game is, but what the actual fact is.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/g/gearsofwar/20061201-onlinestrategy.htm

It's a game about tactical-based cover.

BioShockOwnz

That would also be the opinion of who wrote that article...

It's pretty clear it's more of a tactical game, or else cover wouldn't be such an integral part to the gameplay. If you use cover or not is your own decision, but you'll be more successful with it, thus using tactics to be better at the game. This is no Halo or Unreal.

You can use cover in any game. Not so much in unreal but even in Halo. What do you when you get shot? Hide until your health regenerates.. Just because in gears you attach yo your cover doesn't make it "tactical". But whatever, this argument will go nowehere
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[QUOTE="Ambli"]

Wasn't there a thread here nto to long ago bashing Gears of War 2 for not being able to handle mroe then 5 on 5 and how the Ps3 is better?

So, do you think 5 vs. 5 is a good move? or should they expand it?

rorskarch
mp wouldnt work for this game if it was any more than 5v5. gears mp is a completely different story, there is no way to compare them for these reasons.

Nope, Uncharted is alot like Gears, just with added platforming.
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[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]It's supposed to be tactical...lawlessx
didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:

The game lagged horribly with only 10 players ingame. Perfect reason to bash.:)

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The number of players in PS3 games means nothing other then to debate the fact with Why having Dedicated Servers on the PS3 makes it better then Live... My Favorite Online game of all time (Halo 2) was only fun for me with 4 V 4 (Much more intense games that way)...
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]It's supposed to be tactical...Ultramarine777

didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:

The game lagged horribly with only 10 players ingame. Perfect reason to bash.:)

Bash your connection then.
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More people on screen means more kills for me. Mycomfort zone is more 8v8 but thats just me.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]That would also be the opinion of who wrote that article...Couth_

It's pretty clear it's more of a tactical game, or else cover wouldn't be such an integral part to the gameplay. If you use cover or not is your own decision, but you'll be more successful with it, thus using tactics to be better at the game. This is no Halo or Unreal.

You can use cover in any game. Not so much in unreal but even in Halo. What do you when you get shot? Hide until your health regenerates.. Just because in gears you attach yo your cover doesn't make it "tactical". But whatever, this argument will go nowehere

Yeah, obviously. I only use facts, though. I'm not trying to diminish your opinion or anything. Everyone is free to have that.

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#48 CajunShooter
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[QUOTE="-Melix-"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Yup. You can work on MP for free and with no man hours of work.SpruceCaboose

Thats why you have seperate division working on different parts...

Content takes time and money and manpower. That comes from somewhere, separate division or not. Its all taking ND resources.

Why don't you read the IGN preview on Uncharted 2. They said that the Co-op is a completely different story than what you find in the single player. The game is trying to do what Resistance did. Its gonna be 3 games in one. A Single Player Game, and Co-op, and a Competitive. The single player will probably be longer than the first game.
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#49 itzagir
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People are not bashing that gears has 5 vs 5... People have just been saying that xbox360 multiplayer is very limited, in terms of large game battles...

-Melix-
Frontlines fuels of war, huxley, etc say otherwise :|
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#50 rorskarch
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[QUOTE="rorskarch"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] didn't stop cows from ripping the hell out of gears of war 1-2 :wink:lawlessx

gears is a game with one whole army vs another whole army, so it would make more sense for that to have more people than a game like uncharted that has one antagonist with a partner fighting against some bandits, in which case it would need to be fewer numbers which would inevitably be more tactical most likely.

you mean like gears of war? :|

no, (i forget the names) you are playing as a soldier in a huge army fighting against the other huge army(locust!)....