Sonic Lost World Flops Hard at IGN & GS. 5.8/5.0

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#101 lazerface216
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lol not a surprise. somehow sonic is still living off of this glory from the genesis era, this was 20 years ago for christ's sake. the fact is, the franchise has always been mediocre. it's just you have this very vocal group of nerds who keep hoping for the best, based purely off of nostalgic memories when they kids and were stuck with only a sega genesis. i feel sad for them.

but hey, at least the past 2 kart games were fun........right?

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#102 Demonjoe93
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@lazerface216 said:

lol not a surprise. somehow sonic is still living off of this glory from the genesis era, this was 20 years ago for christ's sake. the fact is, the franchise has always been mediocre. it's just you have this very vocal group of nerds who keep hoping for the best, based purely off of nostalgic memories when they kids and were stuck with only a sega genesis. i feel sad for them.

but hey, at least the past 2 kart games were fun........right?

Your opinions about all the games are fact?

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#105 chocolate1325
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I always thought Sonic Exclusives on Nintendo systems was supposed to be good titles. Oh wait Black Knight wasn't hardly surprising and to be honest the game looks a bit confusing in parts. Give me Galaxy anyday of the week.

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#106 lazerface216
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@Demonjoe93 said:

@lazerface216 said:

lol not a surprise. somehow sonic is still living off of this glory from the genesis era, this was 20 years ago for christ's sake. the fact is, the franchise has always been mediocre. it's just you have this very vocal group of nerds who keep hoping for the best, based purely off of nostalgic memories when they kids and were stuck with only a sega genesis. i feel sad for them.

but hey, at least the past 2 kart games were fun........right?

Your opinions about all the games are fact?

have you gone back and played the original sonic games? they play like feces. i think most gamers would agree.

don't get me wrong, i loved sonic back when i was a kid, but playing the games today leaves a bad taste in my mouth. they're mediocre, especially when compared to other games released during that time.

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#107  Edited By Demonjoe93
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@lazerface216 said:

@Demonjoe93 said:

@lazerface216 said:

lol not a surprise. somehow sonic is still living off of this glory from the genesis era, this was 20 years ago for christ's sake. the fact is, the franchise has always been mediocre. it's just you have this very vocal group of nerds who keep hoping for the best, based purely off of nostalgic memories when they kids and were stuck with only a sega genesis. i feel sad for them.

but hey, at least the past 2 kart games were fun........right?

Your opinions about all the games are fact?

have you gone back and played the original sonic games? they play like feces. i think most gamers would agree.

don't get me wrong, i loved sonic back when i was a kid, but playing the games today leaves a bad taste in my mouth. they're mediocre, especially when compared to other games released during that time.

That would mean they've aged poorly, not that they're mediocre. They're harder to play today than they were back then, but I can still enjoy the Genesis games.

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#108 hiphops_savior
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@Jolt_counter119: glad you're not developing the game. There was a reason why galaxy 1 and 2 are easy to learn.

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#109 ManInFlames-77
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Another flop added to the ScamU's library

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#110  Edited By Gue1
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the trailer is awesome. I would buy the game based on the trailer alone. XD

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#111 MonsieurX
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@maninflames-77 said:

Another flop added to the ScamU's library

Flop?

Where?

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#112 millerlight89
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That really sucks. On the bright side, one less game I have to get and more money towards Xbone and PS4.

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#113 m_machine024
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It was listed in many if not all upcoming WiiU games line ups so it kinda flop in a sense, even without a hype thread.

It's hard to swallow personally..... I was really hyped for the game and previews were really positive. :( I'll still give it a try but it's not in my priorities when getting a WiiU anymore.

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#114  Edited By Seabas989
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I'm amazed GT liked it more the GS and IGN.

I'm still curious so maybe I'll get it next year for cheap.

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#115 Big_Pecks
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The Galaxy copying was apparent from the reveal. It's awkward how much it's ripped off. Sonic is just a bad franchise now. The only thing that sucks is that this bomb is a Wii U exclusive.

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#116 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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@Desmonic said:

@Nuck81 said:

@Desmonic said:

@Nuck81 said:

76 at Metacritic. The very definition of a Mediocre score

@Desmonic said:

Yeah because scoring 8's across the board screams mediocre.

No, the definition of mediocre is slightly above bad/terrible. In this case o Metacritic scores, that would mean anything in the range of the 50's-60's. Also 8.0 @ GS. Deal with it.

You seem confused on what Mediocre means.

me·di·o·cre

adj.

Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary. See Synonyms at average.

Average and Ordinary being the key words.

Do you really think the average game score is in the 50's 60's?

A score of 76 is very ordinary, very average, very mediocre.

Deal with it.

Actually you're the one who seems pretty confused.

First and formost the average game score (aka, average meaning what score most games commonly or ordinarily get) does not in any way or shape = an average score for a game.

In a score range of 1 to 100 (let's be honest, no game is ever going to average out a 0), mediocre, ordinary, very average (as you put it) would imply fitting nicely into the middle of said scoring range. That middle being the 50's (in Metacritics case of course). If you want to expand it you can, from the 40's to the 60's.

A score of 75 or higher means the game is in the 4th and higher ranking quarter of the scoring range (dividing it by 4 of course). Using your own definiton of the word, a score of 76 does not in any way = mediocre. At worst the game was just "good".

All you did was basically argue against yourself and provide a bit of comedy. Deal with it and take your poor trolling with you please.

Compared to all the other games out there it is mediocre, average, falling in the quagmire of all the other mediocre, average games.

You can't flip flop the criteria everytime your argument gets busted.

Deal with it

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#117 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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@lazerface216 said:

@Demonjoe93 said:

@lazerface216 said:

lol not a surprise. somehow sonic is still living off of this glory from the genesis era, this was 20 years ago for christ's sake. the fact is, the franchise has always been mediocre. it's just you have this very vocal group of nerds who keep hoping for the best, based purely off of nostalgic memories when they kids and were stuck with only a sega genesis. i feel sad for them.

but hey, at least the past 2 kart games were fun........right?

Your opinions about all the games are fact?

have you gone back and played the original sonic games? they play like feces. i think most gamers would agree.

don't get me wrong, i loved sonic back when i was a kid, but playing the games today leaves a bad taste in my mouth. they're mediocre, especially when compared to other games released during that time.

You're actually quite wrong about this.

The original Genesis Series plays flawlessly.

Great controls, amazing level design, great graphics (for the era)

I play the Sonic games on the Genesis collection all the time, The Modern games are sh!t compared to classic Sonic. Even today. The side scrolling levels in Generations are trash compared to playing the Old games.

As it is, I am curious to how the 3DS game turned out.

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#119  Edited By campzor
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Its a sonic game...its impossible for it to not suck.

Also lol Wii U.

Cant wait till mario gets 6.5-7/10

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#120 93BlackHawk93
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@campzor said:

Its a sonic game...its impossible for it to not suck.

Also lol Wii U.

Cant wait till mario gets 6.5-7/10

lol Mario won't score that.

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#121 Wild_man_22
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Polarizing sonic game? Super shocked, I loved colors didn't care for generations. Seems like a rent atm.

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#122  Edited By EducatingU_PCMR
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A crappy console getting a crappy game. The universe is still in order.

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#123  Edited By Zaraxius
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I had hope for this title. Such a shame.

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#124 super600
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@maninflames-77:

Do you know the definition of a flop on SW or are you trying to troll?

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#125  Edited By super600
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@campzor said:

Its a sonic game...its impossible for it to not suck.

Also lol Wii U.

Cant wait till mario gets 6.5-7/10

That won't happen. Super Mario 3d land will score 8 and above. It may get a 9,

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#126  Edited By super600
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@SonicNextGen2 said:

This is what happens when a company hypes up only one game for the entire year.

Nice fucking job SEGA.

This game wasn't revealed until mid may. They only had about 5 months to hype it.

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#127  Edited By deactivated-5e9044657a310
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@Desmonic said:

@Nuck81 said:

@Desmonic said:

Actually you're the one who seems pretty confused.

First and formost the average game score (aka, average meaning what score most games commonly or ordinarily get) does not in any way or shape = an average score for a game.

In a score range of 1 to 100 (let's be honest, no game is ever going to average out a 0), mediocre, ordinary, very average (as you put it) would imply fitting nicely into the middle of said scoring range. That middle being the 50's (in Metacritics case of course). If you want to expand it you can, from the 40's to the 60's.

A score of 75 or higher means the game is in the 4th and higher ranking quarter of the scoring range (dividing it by 4 of course). Using your own definiton of the word, a score of 76 does not in any way = mediocre. At worst the game was just "good".

All you did was basically argue against yourself and provide a bit of comedy. Deal with it and take your poor trolling with you please.

Compared to all the other games out there it is mediocre, average, falling in the quagmire of all the other mediocre, average games.

You can't flip flop the criteria everytime your argument gets busted.

Deal with it

Okay.

1- Learn how to use the damn quote system. It's not rocket science. No need for page long quotes.

2- Compared to all other games out there, it's above average, firmly into the "good" range by definition of the score. Stop bending facts to suit your argument. If anyone is flip floping the criteria here it's you. We go by GS scores, which was an 8 and even using the Metacritic it's well above of what anyone in their right mind calls "average" or "mediocre". Just because you firmly believe it is mediocre (aka your own opinion) it doesn't actually make it so, especially when the scores are not in the favor of your argument.

3- I'm done. You're a broken record with no actual argument. Have fun.

Generations is sh!t.

This "It's great for a Sonic game" is a sh!t argument.

That only proves how far Sega games have fallen since the 16 bit era.

Deal with it

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#128 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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@campzor said:

Its a sonic game...its impossible for it to not suck.

Also lol Wii U.

Cant wait till mario gets 6.5-7/10

It will get an 8 on Gamespot

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#129  Edited By rjdofu
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@Nuck81 said:

@Desmonic said:

@Nuck81 said:

76 at Metacritic. The very definition of a Mediocre score

@Desmonic said:

Yeah because scoring 8's across the board screams mediocre.

No, the definition of mediocre is slightly above bad/terrible. In this case o Metacritic scores, that would mean anything in the range of the 50's-60's. Also 8.0 @ GS. Deal with it.

You seem confused on what Mediocre means.

me·di·o·cre

adj.

Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary. See Synonyms at average.

Average and Ordinary being the key words.

Do you really think the average game score is in the 50's 60's?

A score of 76 is very ordinary, very average, very mediocre.

Deal with it.

Except the fact that 70 means good, 80 means great, so 76 is somewhere between

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#130  Edited By deactivated-5e9044657a310
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According to [url=http://kotaku.com/sonic-lost-world-the-kotaku-review-x2-1448002806]this guy[/url] the 3DS version is superior, although it's getting hammered in reviews as well

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#131  Edited By deactivated-5e9044657a310
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@rjdofu said:

@Nuck81 said:

@Desmonic said:

@Nuck81 said:

76 at Metacritic. The very definition of a Mediocre score

@Desmonic said:

Yeah because scoring 8's across the board screams mediocre.

No, the definition of mediocre is slightly above bad/terrible. In this case o Metacritic scores, that would mean anything in the range of the 50's-60's. Also 8.0 @ GS. Deal with it.

You seem confused on what Mediocre means.

me·di·o·cre

adj.

Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary. See Synonyms at average.

Average and Ordinary being the key words.

Do you really think the average game score is in the 50's 60's?

A score of 76 is very ordinary, very average, very mediocre.

Deal with it.

Except the fact that 70 means good, 80 means great, so 76 is somewhere between

In the real world, 8 means good, 7 means average, 9 means great.

That's why the 10 point system sucks. Everything needs to be based on 5.

5=great

4=good

3=average

2=bad

1=sh!t

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#132 nintendoboy16
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@Seabas989 said:

I'm amazed GT liked it more the GS and IGN.

I'm still curious so maybe I'll get it next year for cheap.

Destructoid liked it too.

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#133 lazerface216
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@Demonjoe93 said:

@lazerface216 said:

@Demonjoe93 said:

@lazerface216 said:

lol not a surprise. somehow sonic is still living off of this glory from the genesis era, this was 20 years ago for christ's sake. the fact is, the franchise has always been mediocre. it's just you have this very vocal group of nerds who keep hoping for the best, based purely off of nostalgic memories when they kids and were stuck with only a sega genesis. i feel sad for them.

but hey, at least the past 2 kart games were fun........right?

Your opinions about all the games are fact?

have you gone back and played the original sonic games? they play like feces. i think most gamers would agree.

don't get me wrong, i loved sonic back when i was a kid, but playing the games today leaves a bad taste in my mouth. they're mediocre, especially when compared to other games released during that time.

That would mean they've aged poorly, not that they're mediocre. They're harder to play today than they were back then, but I can still enjoy the Genesis games.

no...it means they are mediocre. especially when you look at game like SMB3, super mario world, super metroid, streets of rage and LOZ whose gameplay still stand up to this day. sure the original sonic game has aged poorly, but they were also never great to begin with.

@Nuck81 said:

@lazerface216 said:

@Demonjoe93 said:

@lazerface216 said:

lol not a surprise. somehow sonic is still living off of this glory from the genesis era, this was 20 years ago for christ's sake. the fact is, the franchise has always been mediocre. it's just you have this very vocal group of nerds who keep hoping for the best, based purely off of nostalgic memories when they kids and were stuck with only a sega genesis. i feel sad for them.

but hey, at least the past 2 kart games were fun........right?

Your opinions about all the games are fact?

have you gone back and played the original sonic games? they play like feces. i think most gamers would agree.

don't get me wrong, i loved sonic back when i was a kid, but playing the games today leaves a bad taste in my mouth. they're mediocre, especially when compared to other games released during that time.

You're actually quite wrong about this.

The original Genesis Series plays flawlessly.

Great controls, amazing level design, great graphics (for the era)

I play the Sonic games on the Genesis collection all the time, The Modern games are sh!t compared to classic Sonic. Even today. The side scrolling levels in Generations are trash compared to playing the Old games.

As it is, I am curious to how the 3DS game turned out.

LMAO great controls. clunky ass shit. nostalgia at its finest. there's absolutely nothing "flawless" about the original sonic games. the games were cool for their time, but DO NOT hold up at all...

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#134 Lucianu
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@lazerface216 said:

LMAO great controls. clunky ass shit. nostalgia at its finest. there's absolutely nothing "flawless" about the original sonic games. the games were cool for their time, but DO NOT hold up at all...

Nah, i don't agree. Sonic 1 may not have the spin dash, but it still has great level design. Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 + Knuckles are practically perfect, some of the best 2D platformers of all time. There's nothing clunky about them.

Nostalgia used in an argument has always, and will always be bullshit. Never resort to such a thing, it's one of the laziest ways to attempt at proving a point of view.

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#135 deactivated-57d773fff2ce4
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Next up, Zelda Link to the Past II.

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#136  Edited By Smashbrossive50
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@93BlackHawk93 said:

@campzor said:

Its a sonic game...its impossible for it to not suck.

Also lol Wii U.

Cant wait till mario gets 6.5-7/10

lol Mario won't score that.

I wish this will happen since Mario took its adventure style way too seriously.when I looked at him now, it makes me wanted to stick with the older games he had

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#138 R4gn4r0k
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Not surprised. There hasn't been a good Sonic game in ages. Even Generations, which was liked by so many, I really didn't like.

The only recent ones I liked where those on DS.

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#139 ActicEdge
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That's unfortunate. I thought this was looking very good. Well, I think given how mixed the reviews have been, you'll have to play it yourself to see if its your thing. Sad to see the streak of great scores end though. I loved Generations. One of my favourite PS3 games.

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#140  Edited By lazerface216
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@Lucianu said:
@lazerface216 said:

LMAO great controls. clunky ass shit. nostalgia at its finest. there's absolutely nothing "flawless" about the original sonic games. the games were cool for their time, but DO NOT hold up at all...

Nah, i don't agree. Sonic 1 may not have the spin dash, but it still has great level design. Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 + Knuckles are practically perfect, some of the best 2D platformers of all time. There's nothing clunky about them.

Nostalgia used in an argument has always, and will always be bullshit. Never resort to such a thing, it's one of the laziest ways to attempt at proving a point of view.

nostalgia is absolutely not a bullshit argument, it is seen throughout the interwebz EVERY SINGLE DAY. when someone grows up with something, they form a certain, memorable attachment to it, this is fact. there is nothing lazy at pointing out gamers who look at average franchises with rose tinted glasses on.

the fact that you believe that the sonic games are "perfect" platformers makes me literally laugh out loud my friend. if the original sonic games are perfect platformers what does that make games like SMB3, super mario world, yoshi's island, rocket knight series, NSMB, DKC series, spelunky, super meat boy, rayman origins/legends etc.? god like? see how nostalgic your opinion sounds when compared to true platforming kings? sonic is NOT in that league.

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#141 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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@lazerface216 said:

@Lucianu said:
@lazerface216 said:

LMAO great controls. clunky ass shit. nostalgia at its finest. there's absolutely nothing "flawless" about the original sonic games. the games were cool for their time, but DO NOT hold up at all...

Nah, i don't agree. Sonic 1 may not have the spin dash, but it still has great level design. Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 + Knuckles are practically perfect, some of the best 2D platformers of all time. There's nothing clunky about them.

Nostalgia used in an argument has always, and will always be bullshit. Never resort to such a thing, it's one of the laziest ways to attempt at proving a point of view.

nostalgia is absolutely not a bullshit argument, it is seen throughout the interwebz EVERY SINGLE DAY. when someone grows up with something, they form a certain, memorable attachment to it, this is fact. there is nothing lazy at pointing out gamers who look at average franchises with rose tinted glasses on.

the fact that you believe that the sonic games are "perfect" platformers makes me literally laugh out loud my friend. if the original sonic games are perfect platformers what does that make games like SMB3, super mario world, yoshi's island, rocket knight series, NSMB, DKC series, spelunky, super meat boy, rayman origins/legends etc.? god like? see how nostalgic your opinion sounds when compared to true platforming kings? sonic is NOT in that league.

LOL

Compared to Nintendo platformers you may have a case, but Rocket Knight? LOL.

There is a reason the 16 bit Sonic games are so revered. It's not nostalgia, it's because there were and still are brilliant. That's why loads of people still play them today, including myself.

You might as well be saying the reason Super Metroid is still popular is because of "nostalgia"

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#142  Edited By deactivated-5e9044657a310
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@Desmonic said:

@Nuck81 said:

Generations is sh!t.

This "It's great for a Sonic game" is a sh!t argument.

That only proves how far Sega games have fallen since the 16 bit era.

Deal with it

I fail to see where I ever used that argument for anything. Again, you seem confused as f*ck.

And again, in the real world, in any scale that goes from 1 to 10 or 1 to 100, a score 7 or 70 means good. In any rating scale or system you can get. School ratings, movie ratings, music ratings, player ratings, overall product quaility ratings, electronics ratings, book ratings, really any f*cking scale from 1-10/1-100, a score of 7/70 or above means "GOOD". That's the real world for you.

Is it the average score most games get? Yes it is. Most games tend to score in the Good range; that however does not mean that the score itself was average.

You thought the game was crap? Great! Deal with the fact that the rest of the world didn't though.

This game, Lost World, is the one that's average or mediocre going by GS's review score and probable final Metascore.

You still seemed confused.

My Original Argument was that Generations was a mediocre game. You or some other dipsh!t brought up scores, and I brought up that it in fact received mediocre scores as well. Then you tried to change the argument about what the scores mean.

It's a mediocre, average game and the only thing that makes it stand out is that it's a Sonic game. A Sonic game that is Mediocre is considered a great achievement, that's how sh!t Sonic has become.

If not for the Racing series by SUMO, Sonic has been mediocre for the last 15 years.

Deal with it.

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@Nuck81 said:

@lazerface216 said:

@Lucianu said:
@lazerface216 said:

LMAO great controls. clunky ass shit. nostalgia at its finest. there's absolutely nothing "flawless" about the original sonic games. the games were cool for their time, but DO NOT hold up at all...

Nah, i don't agree. Sonic 1 may not have the spin dash, but it still has great level design. Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 + Knuckles are practically perfect, some of the best 2D platformers of all time. There's nothing clunky about them.

Nostalgia used in an argument has always, and will always be bullshit. Never resort to such a thing, it's one of the laziest ways to attempt at proving a point of view.

nostalgia is absolutely not a bullshit argument, it is seen throughout the interwebz EVERY SINGLE DAY. when someone grows up with something, they form a certain, memorable attachment to it, this is fact. there is nothing lazy at pointing out gamers who look at average franchises with rose tinted glasses on.

the fact that you believe that the sonic games are "perfect" platformers makes me literally laugh out loud my friend. if the original sonic games are perfect platformers what does that make games like SMB3, super mario world, yoshi's island, rocket knight series, NSMB, DKC series, spelunky, super meat boy, rayman origins/legends etc.? god like? see how nostalgic your opinion sounds when compared to true platforming kings? sonic is NOT in that league.

LOL

Compared to Nintendo platformers you may have a case, but Rocket Knight? LOL.

There is a reason the 16 bit Sonic games are so revered. It's not nostalgia, it's because there were and still are brilliant. That's why loads of people still play them today, including myself.

You might as well be saying the reason Super Metroid is still popular is because of "nostalgia"

rocket knight is a much better controlled, much better pure platformer. have you actually played the one that came out on xbla and psn this gen? it's righteous.

why not mention the other platformers i listed? got anything for them? didn't think so.

anyways, i'll give you that sonic 2 and 3 improved upon that clunky-ass original but they still don't stand up against many other pure platformers that i listed or were released during that era.

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@lazerface216 said:

@Nuck81 said:

@lazerface216 said:

@Lucianu said:
@lazerface216 said:

LMAO great controls. clunky ass shit. nostalgia at its finest. there's absolutely nothing "flawless" about the original sonic games. the games were cool for their time, but DO NOT hold up at all...

Nah, i don't agree. Sonic 1 may not have the spin dash, but it still has great level design. Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 + Knuckles are practically perfect, some of the best 2D platformers of all time. There's nothing clunky about them.

Nostalgia used in an argument has always, and will always be bullshit. Never resort to such a thing, it's one of the laziest ways to attempt at proving a point of view.

nostalgia is absolutely not a bullshit argument, it is seen throughout the interwebz EVERY SINGLE DAY. when someone grows up with something, they form a certain, memorable attachment to it, this is fact. there is nothing lazy at pointing out gamers who look at average franchises with rose tinted glasses on.

the fact that you believe that the sonic games are "perfect" platformers makes me literally laugh out loud my friend. if the original sonic games are perfect platformers what does that make games like SMB3, super mario world, yoshi's island, rocket knight series, NSMB, DKC series, spelunky, super meat boy, rayman origins/legends etc.? god like? see how nostalgic your opinion sounds when compared to true platforming kings? sonic is NOT in that league.

LOL

Compared to Nintendo platformers you may have a case, but Rocket Knight? LOL.

There is a reason the 16 bit Sonic games are so revered. It's not nostalgia, it's because there were and still are brilliant. That's why loads of people still play them today, including myself.

You might as well be saying the reason Super Metroid is still popular is because of "nostalgia"

rocket knight is a much better controlled, much better pure platformer. have you actually played the one that came out on xbla and psn this gen? it's righteous.

why not mention the other platformers i listed? got anything for them? didn't think so.

anyways, i'll give you that sonic 2 and 3 improved upon that clunky-ass original but they still don't stand up against many other pure platformers that i listed or were released during that era.

I did actually play the Rocket Knight on PS3. It was sh!t compared to the Sonic games on Genesis Collection.

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@Nuck81 said:

@lazerface216 said:

@Nuck81 said:

@lazerface216 said:

@Lucianu said:
@lazerface216 said:

LMAO great controls. clunky ass shit. nostalgia at its finest. there's absolutely nothing "flawless" about the original sonic games. the games were cool for their time, but DO NOT hold up at all...

Nah, i don't agree. Sonic 1 may not have the spin dash, but it still has great level design. Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 + Knuckles are practically perfect, some of the best 2D platformers of all time. There's nothing clunky about them.

Nostalgia used in an argument has always, and will always be bullshit. Never resort to such a thing, it's one of the laziest ways to attempt at proving a point of view.

nostalgia is absolutely not a bullshit argument, it is seen throughout the interwebz EVERY SINGLE DAY. when someone grows up with something, they form a certain, memorable attachment to it, this is fact. there is nothing lazy at pointing out gamers who look at average franchises with rose tinted glasses on.

the fact that you believe that the sonic games are "perfect" platformers makes me literally laugh out loud my friend. if the original sonic games are perfect platformers what does that make games like SMB3, super mario world, yoshi's island, rocket knight series, NSMB, DKC series, spelunky, super meat boy, rayman origins/legends etc.? god like? see how nostalgic your opinion sounds when compared to true platforming kings? sonic is NOT in that league.

LOL

Compared to Nintendo platformers you may have a case, but Rocket Knight? LOL.

There is a reason the 16 bit Sonic games are so revered. It's not nostalgia, it's because there were and still are brilliant. That's why loads of people still play them today, including myself.

You might as well be saying the reason Super Metroid is still popular is because of "nostalgia"

rocket knight is a much better controlled, much better pure platformer. have you actually played the one that came out on xbla and psn this gen? it's righteous.

why not mention the other platformers i listed? got anything for them? didn't think so.

anyways, i'll give you that sonic 2 and 3 improved upon that clunky-ass original but they still don't stand up against many other pure platformers that i listed or were released during that era.

I did actually play the Rocket Knight on PS3. It was sh!t compared to the Sonic games on Genesis Collection.

lulz that weak ass collection. go play some more alex kidd.....have a ball.

seriously though, that collection is pretty good (and pretty bad at the same time). i doubt you honestly played RK though.

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@campzor said:

Its a sonic game...its impossible for it to not suck.

Also lol Wii U.

Cant wait till mario gets 6.5-7/10

GameSpot got rid of the .5s.

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@lazerface216 said:

@Nuck81 said:

@lazerface216 said:

@Nuck81 said:

@lazerface216 said:

@Lucianu said:
@lazerface216 said:

LMAO great controls. clunky ass shit. nostalgia at its finest. there's absolutely nothing "flawless" about the original sonic games. the games were cool for their time, but DO NOT hold up at all...

Nah, i don't agree. Sonic 1 may not have the spin dash, but it still has great level design. Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 + Knuckles are practically perfect, some of the best 2D platformers of all time. There's nothing clunky about them.

Nostalgia used in an argument has always, and will always be bullshit. Never resort to such a thing, it's one of the laziest ways to attempt at proving a point of view.

nostalgia is absolutely not a bullshit argument, it is seen throughout the interwebz EVERY SINGLE DAY. when someone grows up with something, they form a certain, memorable attachment to it, this is fact. there is nothing lazy at pointing out gamers who look at average franchises with rose tinted glasses on.

the fact that you believe that the sonic games are "perfect" platformers makes me literally laugh out loud my friend. if the original sonic games are perfect platformers what does that make games like SMB3, super mario world, yoshi's island, rocket knight series, NSMB, DKC series, spelunky, super meat boy, rayman origins/legends etc.? god like? see how nostalgic your opinion sounds when compared to true platforming kings? sonic is NOT in that league.

LOL

Compared to Nintendo platformers you may have a case, but Rocket Knight? LOL.

There is a reason the 16 bit Sonic games are so revered. It's not nostalgia, it's because there were and still are brilliant. That's why loads of people still play them today, including myself.

You might as well be saying the reason Super Metroid is still popular is because of "nostalgia"

rocket knight is a much better controlled, much better pure platformer. have you actually played the one that came out on xbla and psn this gen? it's righteous.

why not mention the other platformers i listed? got anything for them? didn't think so.

anyways, i'll give you that sonic 2 and 3 improved upon that clunky-ass original but they still don't stand up against many other pure platformers that i listed or were released during that era.

I did actually play the Rocket Knight on PS3. It was sh!t compared to the Sonic games on Genesis Collection.

lulz that weak ass collection. go play some more alex kidd.....have a ball.

seriously though, that collection is pretty good (and pretty bad at the same time). i doubt you honestly played RK though.

The Demo was on PSN

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Figures when they finally make a Sonic game where Tails actually has a decent role the F*** it up. Just got a few weeks before they blame it on the side-cast, and focus why to much on Sonic again.

It is a shame SEGA was on a role, I don't know why people are blaming the console when its not the console itself that is to blame. SEGA making bad Sonic games is sadly not new news.

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Well I kind of expected that. Game looked like ass despite the galaxy ambitions, didn't understand why people where so confident it would be good.

I'll probably get this for 3ds when it's bargain-bin material, since ya know it's a Sonic game and all that.

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@lazerface216 said:

nostalgia is absolutely not a bullshit argument, it is seen throughout the interwebz EVERY SINGLE DAY. when someone grows up with something, they form a certain, memorable attachment to it, this is fact. there is nothing lazy at pointing out gamers who look at average franchises with rose tinted glasses on.

the fact that you believe that the sonic games are "perfect" platformers makes me literally laugh out loud my friend. if the original sonic games are perfect platformers what does that make games like SMB3, super mario world, yoshi's island, rocket knight series, NSMB, DKC series, spelunky, super meat boy, rayman origins/legends etc.? god like? see how nostalgic your opinion sounds when compared to true platforming kings? sonic is NOT in that league.

I'm not arguing that nostalgia doesn't exist. Just that accusing someone of nostalgia and bringing nothing else to the debate is a piss poor argument. In other words, dismissing someone's opinion just because you think they're being positive due to nostalgic feelings is what is bullshit.

Using 'nostalgia' in an argument is just an empty way to put down the opinion of others because you don't agree. It's just another way to disregard someone's point of view without any logic sense. It's lazy, and it's bullshit.

Here's something els that should be fucking obvious for you, because i know you're not dumb - What might be bad or frustrating to you, may not bother someone else. It's totally subjective.