Sony and Nintendo banning Manhunt 2 AO is to much.

some info has come out on why its AO and why sony an dnintendo banned it unless edited

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

alecsuba

oh god. Well it seems they have their reasons....

some info has come out on why its AO and why sony an dnintendo banned it unless edited

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

alecsuba

Link? It's just for personal reference, not that I don't believe you.

some info has come out on why its AO and why sony an dnintendo banned it unless edited

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

alecsuba

Isn't raping a woman in the neck, shortly after beheading her, the same as being an active participant in necrophilia? Suddenly being a witness seems kind of, I don't know, very ten-years-ago.

[QUOTE="alecsuba"]

some info has come out on why its AO and why sony an dnintendo banned it unless edited

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

-Spock-

Link? It's just for personal reference, not that I don't believe you.

I dont believe it...thats got to be a total fabrication.

I heard from eurogamer.net months ago that there's a scene where you remove both of some guy's seeds and one of his vertebrae.WeeWeeJumbo

[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

From a pragmatic point of view, keep in mind that liabilities resulting from the licensing of DVD materials are shared across the entire DVD forum, whereas liabilities resulting from the licensing of a platform-specific game are squarely on the platform holder. The behavior may not be consistent but neither is the level of risk.

WeeWeeJumbo

Well, of course these corporations' decision is profit-motivated; they are corporations. That doesn't make me any less sad about this.

There's reason to be sad, but the video game industry shouldn't be singled out. An NC-17 rating from the MPAA has a very similar effect to an AO rating from the ESRB. It's not identical because there are theaters that carry NC-17 and unrated movies, whereas AO never gets used - but they both represent the line where censorship happens.

You can publish whatever you want to, these ratings say, but if you cross this line between M and AO or R and NC-17, you won't make a financial return on your product.

"Seeds"? Jandurin

Yeah, both of 'em. I'm pretty sure there's no anaesthesia.

I'm shocked at sony. Soulja_West

Whoa, I've never even seen the Sword of Sodan rank before.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]"Seeds"? WeeWeeJumbo

Yeah, both of 'em. I'm pretty sure there's no anaesthesia.

It took the BS of censorship to bring all gamers together. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft can all kiss my ass for not letting AO games come out. The AO seems to be the NC-17 of the gaming world and the rating is completely inane. All companies are telling us adults how to game and I hope they choke on a bottlecap for it. Not allowing AO only restricts developers and essentially gives the ratings board the label of Jesus. What they say goes. If they have a beef with violent games, they can make even M rated games nonviolent. If you don't believe me and have Netflix, check out 1981 slasher movies like The Funhouse and Hell Night and My Bloody Valentine. You'll see horror films (mainly slashers) in '81 had little to no violence or gore (we're talking PG gore here), because '81 was the height of the anti-slasher boom and the unfair ratings poured in. It's an extreme example, but it just goes to show this has happened before in a similar form of entertainment and had huge effects.

I don't get the BS that they can't come to grips with the fact that gaming is an adult's world. And, if they're afraid retailers won't carry their products, well Wal-marts also won't carry NC-17 movies, but look at all the unrated stuff they carry. It's pretty hypocritical that unrated is sold (but I'm not complaining about it, just using it as an example), but movies exactly the same but rated NC-17 can't be stocked. What's the difference what games adults play? Don't sell the games to kids and everything is fine. We can't play Manhunt 2, but we can watch general programming on A&E that describes real murders and rapes, not to mention shows pictures of corpses.

I hope everyone involved negatively in this gets shanked.

some info has come out on why its AO and why sony an dnintendo banned it unless edited

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

alecsuba

Guess I'll preorder the PC version now =)

It took the BS of censorship to bring all gamers together. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft can all kiss my ass for not letting AO games come out. The AO seems to be the NC-17 of the gaming world and the rating is completely inane. All companies are telling us adults how to game and I hope they choke on a bottlecap for it. Not allowing AO only restricts developers and essentially gives the ratings board the label of Jesus. What they say goes. If they have a beef with violent games, they can make even M rated games nonviolent. If you don't believe me and have Netflix, check out 1981 slasher movies like The Funhouse and Hell Night and My Bloody Valentine. You'll see horror films (mainly slashers) in '81 had little to no violence or gore (we're talking PG gore here), because '81 was the height of the anti-slasher boom and the unfair ratings poured in. It's an extreme example, but it just goes to show this has happened before in a similar form of entertainment and had huge effects.

I don't get the BS that they can't come to grips with the fact that gaming is an adult's world. And, if they're afraid retailers won't carry their products, well Wal-marts also won't carry NC-17 movies, but look at all the unrated stuff they carry. It's pretty hypocritical that unrated is sold (but I'm not complaining about it, just using it as an example), but movies exactly the same but rated NC-17 can't be stocked. What's the difference what games adults play? Don't sell the games to kids and everything is fine. We can't play Manhunt 2, but we can watch general programming on A&E that describes real murders and rapes, not to mention shows pictures of corpses.

I hope everyone involved negatively in this gets shanked.

bretthorror

You are so right. I believe this is only the beginning of a huge censorship problem thats getting ready to explode with video games.

some info has come out on why its AO and why sony an dnintendo banned it unless edited

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

alecsuba

People get offended by what they don't see every day. Rape and microwaving cats aren't generally found in movies/games and thus when you see it it seems more offensive than murder. But in the end it's not, murder is the most dispicable act anyone can carry out. And, we kill people and laugh in games every day. So I don't know why people are worried about a microwaved cat. Killing a human is astronomically worse than killing a cat. Rape is similar, terrible, but again not worse than murder.

You can publish whatever you want to, these ratings say, but if you cross this line between M and AO or R and NC-17, you won't make a financial return on your product.

Iyethar

Yep, a financial return. Just goes to show how wrong/stupid these people are.

It took the BS of censorship to bring all gamers together. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft can all kiss my ass for not letting AO games come out. The AO seems to be the NC-17 of the gaming world and the rating is completely inane. All companies are telling us adults how to game and I hope they choke on a bottlecap for it. Not allowing AO only restricts developers and essentially gives the ratings board the label of Jesus. What they say goes. If they have a beef with violent games, they can make even M rated games nonviolent. If you don't believe me and have Netflix, check out 1981 slasher movies like The Funhouse and Hell Night and My Bloody Valentine. You'll see horror films (mainly slashers) in '81 had little to no violence or gore (we're talking PG gore here), because '81 was the height of the anti-slasher boom and the unfair ratings poured in. It's an extreme example, but it just goes to show this has happened before in a similar form of entertainment and had huge effects.

I don't get the BS that they can't come to grips with the fact that gaming is an adult's world. And, if they're afraid retailers won't carry their products, well Wal-marts also won't carry NC-17 movies, but look at all the unrated stuff they carry. It's pretty hypocritical that unrated is sold (but I'm not complaining about it, just using it as an example), but movies exactly the same but rated NC-17 can't be stocked. What's the difference what games adults play? Don't sell the games to kids and everything is fine. We can't play Manhunt 2, but we can watch general programming on A&E that describes real murders and rapes, not to mention shows pictures of corpses.

I hope everyone involved negatively in this gets shanked.

bretthorror

Well ****ing said. I believe if all these companies didn't ban AO games on their console, Rockstar would release this through it's online retailer, if all the big time chains decided not to carry it. This is so stupid, the AO rating is so trivial. What's the point of it? No one allows AO games on their console, but they will for christ sakes allow GTA. Since when is murder any worse then running a drug ring, sleeping with hookers, beating the living **** out of them, and then stealing anything you want to kill anyone you want? **** the ESRB, they're losing power and decided to take it out on this? So give a game an AO rating, that way, the game isn't released, and therefore didn't need a rating in the first place?

This is a game a lot of people were excited for. I don't care if a law was passed where if anyone was caught buying it for someone of a younger age then they get arrested(even parents), i'd just rather have this game released the way it was meant to be released, then have them tone it down to something it isn't. I don't care how long i'd have to wait to play it.

What are Nintendo and Sony losing by letting a violent game on their console? They didn't make the game, they had no part in it. Rockstar would be taking any press, any legal action, any blame for anything.

I say...screw them all. And amen to Rockstar for making what they want, and im sorry to them for getting this retarded censorship.

[QUOTE="bretthorror"]

It took the BS of censorship to bring all gamers together. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft can all kiss my ass for not letting AO games come out. The AO seems to be the NC-17 of the gaming world and the rating is completely inane. All companies are telling us adults how to game and I hope they choke on a bottlecap for it. Not allowing AO only restricts developers and essentially gives the ratings board the label of Jesus. What they say goes. If they have a beef with violent games, they can make even M rated games nonviolent. If you don't believe me and have Netflix, check out 1981 slasher movies like The Funhouse and Hell Night and My Bloody Valentine. You'll see horror films (mainly slashers) in '81 had little to no violence or gore (we're talking PG gore here), because '81 was the height of the anti-slasher boom and the unfair ratings poured in. It's an extreme example, but it just goes to show this has happened before in a similar form of entertainment and had huge effects.

I don't get the BS that they can't come to grips with the fact that gaming is an adult's world. And, if they're afraid retailers won't carry their products, well Wal-marts also won't carry NC-17 movies, but look at all the unrated stuff they carry. It's pretty hypocritical that unrated is sold (but I'm not complaining about it, just using it as an example), but movies exactly the same but rated NC-17 can't be stocked. What's the difference what games adults play? Don't sell the games to kids and everything is fine. We can't play Manhunt 2, but we can watch general programming on A&E that describes real murders and rapes, not to mention shows pictures of corpses.

I hope everyone involved negatively in this gets shanked.

Kenshi_is_god

Well ****ing said. I believe if all these companies didn't ban AO games on their console, Rockstar would release this through it's online retailer, if all the big time chains decided not to carry it. This is so stupid, the AO rating is so trivial. What's the point of it? No one allows AO games on their console, but they will for christ sakes allow GTA. Since when is murder any worse then running a drug ring, sleeping with hookers, beating the living **** out of them, and then stealing anything you want to kill anyone you want? **** the ESRB, they're losing power and decided to take it out on this? So give a game an AO rating, that way, the game isn't released, and therefore didn't need a rating in the first place?

This is a game a lot of people were excited for. I don't care if a law was passed where if anyone was caught buying it for someone of a younger age then they get arrested(even parents), i'd just rather have this game released the way it was meant to be released, then have them tone it down to something it isn't. I don't care how long i'd have to wait to play it.

What are Nintendo and Sony losing by letting a violent game on their console? They didn't make the game, they had no part in it. Rockstar would be taking any press, any legal action, any blame for anything.

I say...screw them all. And amen to Rockstar for making what they want, and im sorry to them for getting this retarded censorship.

People don't understand the magnitude of this rating. I am a horror movie geek moreso than a gaming geek, I own 816 horror movies. Yes, I'm so geeky I counted. And the MPAA screwed over so many of those movies by cutting the gore out to make them rated R and for many of them, this was done unfairly to for the same reasons they're doing it to this game. They severly hindered the horror genre throughout the entire decade of the 80s with political and religious support on their side, the MPAA did WHATEVER they wanted and cut WHATEVER they wanted unfairly because they could. Although the ratings boards pretend to do this by a moral standpoint, in no way is it this way. It's political and spiteful. For example, in 1986, Tobe Hooper directed Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 and submitted it to the ratings board. They wanted him to cut it all to hell, so he released it uncut. Thus, it made little money, but it got his creative vision out there. Obviously, people only really saw it on home video because only porn theatres would play the unrated movie. In 1990, New Line Cinema went to make Texas Chainsaw Massacre III. They submitted their movie and they had to cut it big time to get it in theatres. Why? Because the MPAA was still mad that part 2 went out uncut and basically told them to go **** themselves. So, Texas Chainsaw Massacre III was cut to get it's R rating. After watching the uncut version on DVD (which every store will sell... go figure) it's apparant that it should have been rated R of course, but nothing should have been cut. But to get back at the franchise, they did this.

There's repercussions to this stuff if the stars align in the right direction for certain people. It may be Manhunt 2 getting heat now, but maybe people jump on this anti-violence bandwagon more and more and GTA 5 gets severely screwed over in a few years.

(I was going to quote, but we both wrote pretty large statements, so i'll start over).

It really pisses me off though that people can just do this, and us and the devs. don't have a choice but to take it.

I thought that was what America was about. Take your ideas, make them into something, strike big. Not, take your ideas and hope some guy(s) doesn't want the masses to see it. Why are WE being instructed on what we can play, on what we pay for and on what we spend our time on? Land of the free?

wow im probably taking this too far, im just mad that this game is going to have to get altered just so Rockstar can make a profit on it. Even though they would make a profit on it, if it was allowed to be sold this way.