Sony and Nintendo team up to bring you 1080p on the Wii (56K)

And I hate to burst your bubble. but the STR DA5200ES (while a good receiver) is poor at upscaling/upconverting standard definition sources, you're better off letting your XBR do the scaling.

http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/sony-str-da5200es/4505-6466_7-32058603.html

The good: Groundbreaking graphical user interface simplifies the user experience; three HDMI inputs and three component-video inputs; a total of eight digital audio inputs; extensive video upconversion options to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p; support for second and third audio zones; excellent sound on music and movies; receiver-based picture-in-picture option; XM-Ready.

The bad: Poor upconversion of standard-definition sources; cannot rename HDMI inputs; remote can be frustrating.

And I hate to burst your bubble. but the STR DA5200ES (while a good receiver) is poor at upscaling/upconverting standard definition sources, you're better off letting your XBR do the scaling.

http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/sony-str-da5200es/4505-6466_7-32058603.html

The good: Groundbreaking graphical user interface simplifies the user experience; three HDMI inputs and three component-video inputs; a total of eight digital audio inputs; extensive video upconversion options to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p; support for second and third audio zones; excellent sound on music and movies; receiver-based picture-in-picture option; XM-Ready.

The bad: Poor upconversion of standard-definition sources; cannot rename HDMI inputs; remote can be frustrating.

Bill_McBlumpkin

Except 480p isn't SD. 480i is.

480p is ED

Video performance, however, was much better when the STR-DA5200ES was fed a progressive or high-definition source. Watching the opening of Seabiscuit again in 480p, 720p, and 1080i modes over component video from our Toshiba HD-A1--which the Sony then upconverted to a 1080p HDMI signal--yielded much better results.

I can use the same setup and claim my NES is giving me 1080p graphics - does not improve the crappy graphics *at all*. By defintion, any form of scaling offers below 100% image fidelty, this, in fact, reduces the quality of the graphics the Wii is outputting, it simply reduces the graphics by less than the cheap built-in scaler would.

Anyone who think that will look half-decent has no idea whathe's talking about.

First of all, ALL HDTV televisions upscale incoming signals to their native resolutions (if the incoming resolutions differ from the TV's native res, that is,) secondly you're just allowing the receiver to upscale the image rather than the TV (and what does the receiver use, a Faroujda chip? A Reon?,) and thirdly it will STILL look terrible because the Wii is not outputting that resolution - thus the receiver (or whatever device is doing the upscaling) is just phonying the information in the picture, it's adding in information that does not exist in order to make it match the TV resolution (and THIS is why old consoles, and the Wii, do not look so hot on HDTV's.) The 360 and the PS3 output HD natively, the information is in the signal the console's output, that is why the games look so sharp and detailed.

Upscaling a 480i or 480p to a higher resolution won't, on any level, put the Wii on a visual par with its competitors.

Bill_McBlumpkin

Well, I'll dissagree with you on a few points...

1. Old consoles look just fine on decent HDTVs, as long as they're not LCD... Which IMO, isn't the best HD route to go anyway...

2. Upscaling is fine again, if it's a decent TV. It will remove much of the aliasing giving a quasi anti-aliasing effect.

3. PS3 upscales old PS2 games. They look just like the old PS2, but much crisper, quasi-anti-aliased, and cleaner.

[QUOTE="Bill_McBlumpkin"]

Anyone who think that will look half-decent has no idea whathe's talking about.

First of all, ALL HDTV televisions upscale incoming signals to their native resolutions (if the incoming resolutions differ from the TV's native res, that is,) secondly you're just allowing the receiver to upscale the image rather than the TV (and what does the receiver use, a Faroujda chip? A Reon?,) and thirdly it will STILL look terrible because the Wii is not outputting that resolution - thus the receiver (or whatever device is doing the upscaling) is just phonying the information in the picture, it's adding in information that does not exist in order to make it match the TV resolution (and THIS is why old consoles, and the Wii, do not look so hot on HDTV's.) The 360 and the PS3 output HD natively, the information is in the signal the console's output, that is why the games look so sharp and detailed.

Upscaling a 480i or 480p to a higher resolution won't, on any level, put the Wii on a visual par with its competitors.

ssbfalco

Well, I'll dissagree with you on a few points...

1. Old consoles look just fine on decent HDTVs, as long as they're not LCD... Which IMO, isn't the best HD route to go anyway...

2. Upscaling is fine again, if it's a decent TV. It will remove much of the aliasing giving a quasi anti-aliasing effect.

3. PS3 upscales old PS2 games. They look just like the old PS2, but much crisper, quasi-anti-aliased, and cleaner.

Most people have non-CRT sets, which look like crap with SD material. They don't display interlaced content, which really makes the jagged edges in old sources *obvious* - you're seeing everything crisply, and that's not a good thing for old material.

2. The PS3 actually renders the PS1 and PS2 games - so i thas the opportunity to perform anti-aliasing, and then upscale. A normal upscaler does not provide any sort of anti-aliasing, and therefore does not remove the jaggies we see in Wii games the way the PS3 does for older games.

CRT? I'm talking plasma... Good plasmas upscale quite well... LCDs are the problem ones...

And I did say quasi-AA, which is better than none... Though for the record, Factor 5 used AA in Rogue Squardron and that game looks fine on most HD's I've seen...

And good upscalers should provide resampling...

Touching edgy territories... N64 emulators can run at much higher resoulitons than the games were designed to, and even when you don't use the AA options, jaggies are minimal...

And despite being different (slightly, as the upscaler only has to deal with the static images at a rapid rate), GBA upscalled to a higher resolution, say 1024x768 can look crisper despite being enlarged due to applied filters, such as hq2x, etc...

Original

Crappy upscale

Hq2x...

What some don't realize, is that upscalers only deal with static images, not moving images. Basically, they scale each rendered frame and scale it... This is Sony's cell in every TV vision actually...

The cell would be able to upscale everything to a much better quality than standard upscalling...

Cell does an awesome job upscaling...

Anna however, sucks. :D

I am certainly not going to buy a scalar for that! The new Bravia that's coming out can do that on it's own without another scalar.dream431ca

Current Bravias have internal scalers.

Wii can't do HD period. Upscaling isn't the same asnext-gen HDPhoebusFlows

Technically, X360 can't do native 1080p either. It has to upscale. :D

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]Wii can't do HD period. Upscaling isn't the same asnext-gen HDBlayrre_D

Technically, X360 can't do native 1080p either. It has to upscale. :D

Yes, it can. :|

[QUOTE="Blayrre_D"]

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]Wii can't do HD period. Upscaling isn't the same asnext-gen HDthirstychainsaw

Technically, X360 can't do native 1080p either. It has to upscale. :D

Yes, it can. :|

Eh?

Regardless, X360 still can't do True HD (HD audio + 1080p video) :D

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Upscaling is not HD.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Upscaling is not HD.

Bread_or_Decide

I never said it was.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Upscaling is not HD.

Bread_or_Decide

What if I stick the feathers on my arm and in my hat as well?

Why are sheep all excited for this? Since when higher res = better graphics? Youll still see all the blurry textures and low poly and effects at 1080p the only difference is that the image is gonna be more clear. 480p on a EDtv plasma would look as good.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Upscaling is not HD.

Jandurin

What if I stick the feathers on my arm and in my hat as well?

You're a yankee doodle dandy! You're a yankee doodle doo!

And I'm a yankee doodle dandy! You can be a yankee doodle too!

Why are sheep all excited for this? Since when higher res = better graphics? Youll still see all the blurry textures and low poly and effects at 1080p the only difference is that the image is gonna be more clear. 480p on a EDtv plasma would look as good.

Hir0_N

Well, inputting your TV's native resolution, even if it is upscaled, in generally preferable than letting the TV do the scaling.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Upscaling is not HD.

Jandurin

What if I stick the feathers on my arm and in my hat as well?

You would be a chicken

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Upscaling is not HD.

Jandurin

What if I stick the feathers on my arm and in my hat as well?

It's a line from 'Fight Club'. It works better as a metaphor for the vanity of self-destruction than as an illustration of the difference between HD rendering and upscaling.

there is a difference between upscaling and native!daveg1

It looks great upscaled. :D