Sony & Nintendo will choke the air out of Scorpio.

Speculation. But when the Scorpio releases it will be the most expensive console on the market with maybe 1 exclusive and some multiplats like FIFA and Call of Duty.

By that time, Sony will probably drop the price of their PS4. With the large and exquisite variety of exclusives lists and the PSVR as extra option. Not to mention Sony will probably lock out some big 3rd party games from coming to the Xbox.

Nintendo is off to a strong start and it isn't on a direct competition to the Scorpio. But by same time Scorpio is out, Nintendo will probably release another large exclusive. Making the Switch attractive piece of gaming And the Scorpio just an expensive wannabe PC (assuming it will be expensive).

Now, I don't know what Microsoft is hiding in E3, but whatever it is, it must be huge. They are currently hiding their sales numbers, their YOY is dropping and their only report they are willing to show is engagement hours or some mumbo jambo.

Not a thread to bash the Scorpio. Just a Speculation Thread to guess what strategy Microsoft has toward the next year.

PS4 is my main and the NS is my secondary. No need for a third system.

That said, others prefer Microsoft exclusives like Halo and Gears. If they don't have a PS4 and have been holding off since Scorpio rumors have been floating about, the Scorpio will probably be right up their alley.

Scorpio is a console for the Hard Core not for the masses.

Switch is a console for the Masses so yea Switch will most likely Out Sell Scorpio by huge margins.

*sigh* why are people so stupid? Ok first of all it Will be releasing with the same exact library as X1. So that only one exclusive and only CoD and Fifa as multiplats is absolute BS. Phil Spencer said himself most sales will come from the X1S even when Scorpio releases, so no even MS aren't exactly expecting strong sales for Scorpio. And I will never understand why everyone is calling Scorpio a wannabe PC. Are consoles supposed to be made weaker just because there are some ultra powerful PCs out there worth well over a grand or two? That's some dumbass logic. Most people who game on PCs have weaker hardware than X1 and PS4. If Scorpio runs most games going forward 1080p 60fps or better I don't see why anyone wouldn't want one, unless you already have a stronger PC. Especially if it patches older games to run better.

There's literally a thread just like this that was made like 4 days ago... Come on people...

@primorandomguy: when I mentioned 1 exclusive and some multiplats I meant that they will fully utilize the power of the Scorpio.

@k--m--k: Well I think you're wrong with that speculation.

There is no room in the market for Scorpio now.

Scorpio is just dumb. Its coming so late into this generation by the time its out soon the PS5 hype will start lol. Who cares if it can do 25% higher resolution than the PRO. Most people are on 1080. Hell.. i play on a small minitor so i could careless about upscaled 4k. Not to mention Xbox has literally no games... they been with the Gears Halo Forza garbage for years... and they arent even good games xD

I think you guys on here fail to realize just how many people there are out there that want to play their favorite game i.e. Madden/FIFA/COD etc on the latest and greatest system cause it will look better.

Xbox Scorpio is gonna offer people things you can't do on Switch and Pro plain and simple.

@primorandomguy: Don't waste your time. The almighty Scorpio has done irreparable damage to the psyche of many posters here, even before its reveal.....daily threads like these will continue for now, they are amusing for the most part.

Scorpio is simply another hardware entry point for power enthusiasts, that is all. They released the XOne Phat, then S, and soon Scorpio. Its not there to take over the world or destroy the PS4 or Switch, personally I dont think Microsoft is hiding anything huge. Looking forward to E3 and the reveal, that's about it. Not much else to think about now as far as I'm concerned.

All the Scorpio will do is replace the PS4 Pro as the most powerful console. At least until Sony releases the PS4 Ultra in 2019, then that will take the crown for a little while. It's a pity that console hardware is now so far behind PC that they have become irrelevant to enthusiasts, outside of a handful of exclusives.

@xxyetixx: you fail to realise how many people won't want to play it on the latest console that looks better.

@wiiboxstation: ? The success of the PS4 will already show you that people want what looks pretty.

Go ahead and take a look of the top selling games on PS4 and see all the multiplats

Too many silly people on this board. Consoles being so far behind PC? ? why do people talk about PC gaming as if the highest possible specs are the standard for PC gaming? PC gaming has the best specs and the worst all at the same time with the best specs making up the smallest portion of the market.

Anyway, this forum is going to be rather silent when the Scorpio is revealed.

@EG101: hardcore? Such gamers don't exist. But people with a preference for xbox do exist. I prefer to think of xbox as softcore since Microsoft isn't as committed to developing and increasing in the number of games they make themselves and just buy established ip. I actually wonder if you'll get a new Killer Instinct you guys deserve it.

But on to the topic at hand, Scorpio will most likely be fine it has xb1'a already established game library to lean on to get it started. All 8t needs now is for MS to stop being lazy and ramp up first party development

The Xbox One is selling almost the exact same as the original Xbox marketplace failure - no matter how hard the little kid who makes up the fakes sales numbers at vgchartz tries to make it seem otherwise.

And just like the original Xbox marketplace failure, the Xbox is selling to the very same almost entirely US and UK based niche of the console market.

Xbox == Xbox One == Xbox 360 - RRoD

Someone is ignorant of the meaning of niche.

Flopio will flop harder than pancakes. That shit is D.O.A. The only people that will buy it are hardcore lems, everyone else will be either on Switch or PS4 where the games are.

And that in a nutshell is the irony of Microsoft's fifteen year long Xbox fiasco.

The Xbox deadenders will rush out and stand in line and waste hundreds of dollars once again on yet another Xbox that will be nothing more than a console that gets slightly upgraded current gen ports and the same tired old Halo, Forza, Gears crap that no one else wants. And once again no one other than those same Xbox fans who bought the original Xbox, 3,4,5+ Xbox 360s, and the Xbox One will. And Microsoft will pump out press releases bragging about their sales that are nothing but their exact same hardcore fans rushing out to buy yet another Xbox.

Unlike Nintendo fans who saw the WiiU and said "nope" and punished Nintendo with lack of sales which resulted in Nintendo rethinking their console strategy and coming out with the much better performing Switch.

Lol yep. Well said.

Sony has so much momentum they can crank the resolution and coast with modest Pro sales till the river runs dry.. If Ms tries to do the same they're going to sink.

Im saying for few months now that Scorpio wont be as strong as people really think will be . Microsoft knows what will happen if console is too pricey therefore theyll try to offer as much power as possible for a competitive price to PS4 pro.

If by any means Scorpio has a release price of 599$ as a start point in the name of "We kick PS4s Pro butt " ... oh boy oh boy. What a mistake that will be.

All these dreamers hoping and praying for Scorpio to fail lol

Scorpio is the child of failure.

The only reason it exists is due to Microsoft getting destroyed by Sony in:

* Sales - in all three major console regions: Japan, the US, and Europe

* Games - both first and third party

* Graphics

With the complete lack of exclusives for the Xbox One and no sign of Microsoft doing anything to recificy that situation, Scorpio is looking like Microsoft is throwing in towel on competing with Sony in the console market and turning the failed Xbox brand into nothing more than mid-level gaming PCs with Microsoft branding.

In your dreams, kiddo! Sony can try to lock out big games but it will not work.

What if I told you anyone buying a Switch will immediately return it for a Scorpio. Hence the name Switch because you switch it for a system that is not broken and flimsy!

Of course Microsoft is hiding the big guns as always and let us not forget the megaton exclusive Sea of Thieves coming out later this year.

put the scorpio out of its misery

I'd be more concerned for Sony, who seem to have blown their blockbuster wad early, and too heavily backed a VR platform they're struggling to maintain. Nintendo is walking off with Sony's share of the portable market unchallenged (with a system which, amusingly, looks more like a Sony handheld than Nintendo) and Sony's too thinly stretched to do anything about it, especially after the bad publicity off weak Vita support.

Meanwhile, MS is offering a single-system catalogue that's expanding backwards as well as forwards (fingers crossed for E3) - a catalogue which a lot of gamers only initially shunned due to the sales momentum PS4 was achieving because of its hardware (and The Order: 1886, lol). MS and Ninty are shifting up a gear right when Sony is starting to flag. It's all good for competition, though, and I'd expect some big old promises and more excellent marketing from Sony this E3.

Soooooo much talk about a console that is still 6 months (possibly less/more) away from coming out. Can we just, find something different to talk about for just a couple of days?

Microsoft:

* Is bombing in sales with the Xbox One as badly as the first Xbox marketplace failure

* Has been forced to Osborne the failing Xbox One and come out with a mid-generation hardware update

* Has no exclusives for the Xbox One - games are either increasingly not bothered to be ported to the dead console or can be played on any home PC or other console

* Will be releasing expensive new console hardware against Sony with a userbase somewhere in the 70-80 million range

* Will be faced with Sony being completely in control as to when they want to drop the PS5 hammer down.

* Will be faced with Scorpio's mid-range PC hardware looking like a joke compared to the PS5 specs

So, yeah, Microsoft is kicking ass.

LOL

Scorpio is Microsoft throwing in the towel on the console market. It is little more than a mid-range gaming PC with Microsoft branding.

If Microsoft was serious about trying to compete with Sony and remain in the console market they wouldn't be making what little exclusives they have available on any Windows computer. And they have done nothing to grow or improve their pathetically small first party developer array. You don't need exclusives if you aren't going to be trying to sell console gaming hardware.

Microsoft is 0-3 in the console market and it has been some fifteen years. No matter how many billions Microsoft makes there is a limit and Scorpio makes it clear they have reached with their continued failed attempts in the console market.

None of this is surprising since Microsoft has never wanted to be in the console hardware business. They have been trying for years to get some other companies to make Microsoft/Xbox hardware while they just write the software and collect huge royalties.

"Not a thread to bash the Scorpio". LMAO!! That has to be the joke of the day. Don't you worry your nappy little head about Microsoft's Scorpio. It's going to do just fine. Microsoft always has something new to show at the E3. In the past we got hit with games like Sunset Overdrive, Rare Replay, Quantum Break, CupHead, Sea of Thieves, We Happy Few, Below, Ori and the Blind Forest, Inside & Crackdown 3. Pretty sure there will be a few surprises my little troll.

Guess this troll thread can be locked now. The Cow meltdowns are just about over.

@gfxpipeline: I seem to have touched on a raw nerve... is it the support issue? They can still turn that around.

Look, I'm not saying MS is about to turn this into a market lead, but BC is coming along, we're seeing a move toward more aggressive pricing of services and in general an attitude that it's important to listen to your customers ("You want more Japanese titles? we'll see what we can do."). These are all examples of competition being good for the industry. PS4 Pro has boost mode, so that's something, but there's still a lot of space for them to work with more consumer-friendly policies. With games, again, no personal interest here - the only XBox title I'm following is SoT - but maybe wait for E3. MS have acknowledged that while announcing games early is good for selling systems on hype, there's a backlash to that too.

I'm really not that interested in console sales e-peen contests, and I bet you're not either - hell I don't even own a console, for plenty of reasons - I just like to think that if you put more energy into listening to what people are really asking for and spend less on marketing, your systems will sell regardless, and you'll get more developers interested in your system.

MS is no angel, but I think Sony is really going to suffer if they don't start listening to their customers more. That's not a hate thing; just an observation on when MS is doing something right.

*exhale*i was wondering did anybody ever notice that the wii u fits perfectly over the none glossy section of the ps4 when it's place horizontally?

PC would do more then Nintendo.

There really is no reason to pay ~600$ for a shitty upscaled 4K console with a slapped 60$ per year to fucking use the internet that you already paid for.

PC has better graphics and still is cheaper (long term)

I don't know, but it really feels like people's demand for an Xbox has dwindled drastically. Which isn't weird at all, it has no cool games and PC is more popular. I find it hard to believe a Scorpio would be successful. Personally, I think it would be cool if someone else took MS's place as a 3rd console maker. MS doesn't really add anything to the industry.

Everyone with a brain knows the Scorpio is DOA. Most pointless thing in gaming ever

Microsoft's approach with Scorpio is to restore Xbox 360's multiplatform game superiority over PS3 with a larger performance margin.

1. Xbox One sales is tracking Xbox 360 sales.

2. Mid-generation hardware update you say?

The raw FLOPS power gap between Vega 11 type GPU vs XBO is larger than Xbox 360 vs XBO

Vega 11 at 6 TFLOPS vs XBO power jump

1. Integer 8bit, 24 TILOPS vs 1.31 TILOPS = 18.3X, Pack math functionality similar to NVIDIA Pascal GP102

2, FP16, 12 TFLOPS vs 1.31 TFLOPS = 9.16X, Pack math functionality similar to NVIDIA Pascal GP100

3. FP32, 6 TFLOPS vs 1.31 TFLOPS = 4.5X

VS

XBO at 1.31 TFLOPS vs Xbox 360 power jump

1. Integer 8bit, 1.31 TILOPS vs 0.240 TILOPS = 5.5X

2, FP16, 1.31TFLOPS vs 0.240 TFLOPS = 5.5X

3. FP32, 1.31 TFLOPS vs 0.240 TFLOPS = 5.5X

No need to quote my whole thread guys. You just make it unnecessary long to scroll on my phone.

Some people just can't handle the truth.

Both Sony & Nintendo may not need to do anything on MS Scorpio. Heard a rumor that Microsoft's E3 floor space is very small this year. Can't confirm it, of course, but if it's true, that probably means Scorpio is a bit further off than MS is letting-on.

Microsoft needs to focus on games and not an overpriced console.

Lemmings swear to god that the Scorpio is gonna be the Xbox savior but nobody gives a phuck about it

I only care about games. I don't care who hosts them. But as an existing Win10 PC gamer, virtually none of MS's new titles appear to warrant a purchase of their console. YMMV

Oh fanboys smh. People doubting the power. I pretty sure MS knows they have to deliver on the power if its weak or barely above a PS4 pro they are gonna get laughed out of the industry.

There is already rumors going around that MS may reveal Scorpio before E3 so they can get that out of the way and announce other things at E3.

The only hitch in Scorpio's success will be price. Unless they are banking on the eco system and software/apps/etc and sell the thing at a loss I don't see it being $400.

If it's not for you don't buy. If I don't like I won't buy it. We will see and know more in the next 3 months.

Depends on the hardware. A Scorpio with Vega/Rysen is not going to be 400 dollars. You pay for what you get.

500 dollars is my limit and i think that will be the price.

Scorpio is for xbox fans anyhow it don't matter if the Playstation fanboy don't pick it up.

Yawn.

MS fucked Sony up and I know it hard for you guys to deal with right now.

You guys are too stupid to see Sony is selling two different consoles already.

Sony released the PS4 2013 and the PRO 2016

MS just released xbox one 2013.

For Sony to try release a console in 2018 means they had a console out in 2013, 2016, 2018.

So a gap of just 2 years Sony releases another console for gamers to buy?

MS just has xbox one 2013 and Scorpio 2017- gap of 4 years.

Microsoft 'delivered' a 100 dollar more expensive console with the Xbox One that got graphically crushed by Sony's PS4.

No one cares enough about Microsoft's fifteen year console market fiasco to laugh anymore.

Nope because the idea of a system being more powerful than the PS4 and Pro is terrifying the Sony fannies. They suffer a meltdown weekly.

There's been a system more powerful than PS4, Pro, and even the Flopio since the start of the gen it's called a PC. ? No one is afraid of your mid-gen overpriced Flopio with no games.