Sony basically forced Microsoft to change their policies

Pretty much. I'm fairly sure Microsoft didn't exactly care that everyone wsa hating on them. All they cared about was the fact their console was being havily out-ordered by the PS4.

If they really did this for the gamers, then why haven't they apologised for screwing with us in the first place?

Thank you sony.

Pretty much. I'm fairly sure Microsoft didn't exactly care that everyone wsa hating on them. All they cared about was the fact their console was being havily out-ordered by the PS4.

If they really did this for the gamers, then why haven't they apologised for screwing with us in the first place?

The_Gaming_Baby

Sony, nor the consumer, forced MS to change anything. Money and market share were the deciding factors.

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[QUOTE="super600"]

Nope. It was mostly the mainstream media that forced them to change their policies.

VanDammFan

since MS changed things up their preorders have taken off and surpassed SONYs..

MS= Bad for the gaming industry & gamers

Sony = Good for the gaming industry & gamers

Cows not happy about this one bit.

Sony, nor the consumer, forced MS to change anything. Money and market share were the deciding factors.

lowkey254

BS! Sony made fun of them at E3 and in a video, the media was schlacking them, and gamers were lashing them. MS changed due to Sony not doing their same crap and it was making them look horrible and sell way fewer consoles. It's about money to MS and it was going to make them make a lot less. 

Face it Lems, your MS is a bunch of scum bags. 

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="super600"]

Nope. It was mostly the mainstream media that forced them to change their policies.

CaseyWegner

why does ms still charge for xblg?

Because the whole world didn't humiliate them about it at the time they said they were going to do it. Therefore MS felt comfortable with going ahead and doing it. 

MS should have known and thought of what the majoity of the people wanted from the start. It is good that they changed their policy though.

Cows are a disgrace to gaming.

The Amazon Poll and pre-order numbers probably scared the s*** out of them.

Thank you Lord Kaz :)

Cows are a disgrace to gaming.

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

no they didnt..it was the people.daveg1

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Cows are a disgrace to gaming.

Mozelleple112

No I think actually it was the former Lems :P

Pretty amazing feat considering Sony's fall from grace current gen (although Sony is ending this gen much better than Microsoft, it's a marathon not a sprint).

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[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Nope its the sales they would've, were, and are still losing.

always_explicit

since MS changed things up their preorders have taken off and surpassed SONYs..

well..im just saying what Yahoo said..i guess you can take anything they say with a grain of salt..

Yep, pretty much.  Sony's jabs at MS at E3 and in online promotions went over like gangbusters with the public, and made clear Sony was going to really publicize those policy differences going into launch, something they never did in a high profile way with paid online multiplayer last gen.  

Indeed. Lebron silenced the haters yet again.NathanDrakeSwag

By staying in line with consumer needs. If PS4 wasn't outselling in pre0orders (and still is) the X1 by a massive margin, MS would've proceeded to try and destroy the industry. Sony basically did this to MS:

 

Scary to think that they ACTUALLY would go through with it if not for back lash...

Douevenlift_bro

Microsoft tried to innovate; but included one of the worst catches in gaming history.  I'll give you that.

But why do COWS even care? 

Simple. Because Sony offered no games. Sony's E3 was a flop. It's biggest moment was it's used games policy and offline functionality. Not even COWS can damage control that debacle of a showcase rofl. 

Cows wanted an XONE. Y'all wuz asshurt.

Remove all the SW *****, and it's still true. You can't deny it.

Microsoft was betting on Sony to implement simular DRM policies for the PS4. They were absolutly sure Sony would.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they had an inside source before hand, but that "source" was feeding them misinformation.

They bet Sony would join them in creating a contract like system for gaming, but they lost that bet and it bit them in the @$$.

There is no way they could implement these stratigies if their main compitiion was not.

When Sony launched their surprise E3 strike, it sank their entire marketing plan

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Don't be ignorant, oh wait you're a lem. It was 100% Sony, if Sony hadn't humiliated M$ they wouldn't have changed shit. clr84651

why does ms still charge for xblg?

Because the whole world didn't humiliate them about it at the time they said they were going to do it. Therefore MS felt comfortable with going ahead and doing it. 

sony didn't charge for online play and yet ms kept at it.

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

why does ms still charge for xblg?

CaseyWegner

Because the whole world didn't humiliate them about it at the time they said they were going to do it. Therefore MS felt comfortable with going ahead and doing it. 

sony didn't charge for online play and yet ms kept at it.

Of course, but Sony also didn't do much to highlight that difference to the general public, and certainly not in the headline grabbing fashion they did at E3.

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]Indeed. Lebron silenced the haters yet again.metal_zombie

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[QUOTE="clr84651"]

Because the whole world didn't humiliate them about it at the time they said they were going to do it. Therefore MS felt comfortable with going ahead and doing it. 

santoron

sony didn't charge for online play and yet ms kept at it.

Of course, but Sony also didn't do much to highlight that difference to the general public, and certainly not in the headline grabbing fashion they did at E3.

but everybody knew about it. it was no secret. people complained but not in massive numbers like they did over the drm thing. giving sony all the credit for this is ridiculous.

[QUOTE="metal_zombie"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]Indeed. Lebron silenced the haters yet again.clone01

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

sony didn't charge for online play and yet ms kept at it.

CaseyWegner

Of course, but Sony also didn't do much to highlight that difference to the general public, and certainly not in the headline grabbing fashion they did at E3.

but everybody knew about it. it was no secret. people complained but not in massive numbers like they did over the drm thing. giving sony all the credit for this is ridiculous.

Oh, I don't give them all the credit, it was the massive amount of negative coverage due to gamers reactions.  But it's silly to dismiss the fact that Sony's more consumer friendly policies, and Sony's eagerness to contrast themselves with MS's hated policies that really drove the coverage of the XB1 after E3.  It was a big factor. 

I'm disappointed. Now PS4 and Xbone are too similar again. It would've been nice to have another console on the market that did something else. 

Thank you Lord Kaz :)

Mozelleple112

#PREACH

microsoft did what the public wanted, got caught between and a hardplace, they will be just fine next gen they are offering the most content all around.

Nope. It was mostly the mainstream media that forced them to change their policies.

super600

Hahaha....

No chance in hell..

If Sony would have say that used games would not work and that online was need it,you would still by now have those on xbox one.

It was sony who force MS to chage,you don't get it the xbox 360 still outselling the PS3 in US,how come that the PS4 is outselling the xbox one in US and UK.?

Remember how MS say we are listening.? well they were to sony..

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Of course, but Sony also didn't do much to highlight that difference to the general public, and certainly not in the headline grabbing fashion they did at E3.

santoron

but everybody knew about it. it was no secret. people complained but not in massive numbers like they did over the drm thing. giving sony all the credit for this is ridiculous.

Oh, I don't give them all the credit, it was the massive amount of negative coverage due to gamers reactions.  But it's silly to dismiss the fact that Sony's more consumer friendly policies, and Sony's eagerness to contrast themselves with MS's hated policies that really drove the coverage of the XB1 after E3.  It was a big factor. 

i'm not completely dismissing sony's role. sony was the alternative. sony didn't complain and demand that ms change. it was the public and the media who hold the lion's share of the "credit" for what happened.

MS pull the xboners out lemmings butt for now..we all should thank Sony for caring about gamers..if they never done that M$ would of not consider pulling out..i still dont trust ms they can put back drm on the xboner at any time as they wish..

MS pull the xboners out lemmings butt for now..we all should thank Sony for caring about gamers..if they never done that M$ would of not consider pulling out..i still dont trust ms they can put back drm on the xboner at any time as they wish..

stayhigh1

charging for online play now?

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MS pull the xboners out lemmings butt for now..we all should thank Sony for caring about gamers..if they never done that M$ would of not consider pulling out..i still dont trust ms they can put back drm on the xboner at any time as they wish..

CaseyWegner

charging for online play now?

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[QUOTE="stayhigh1"]

MS pull the xboners out lemmings butt for now..we all should thank Sony for caring about gamers..if they never done that M$ would of not consider pulling out..i still dont trust ms they can put back drm on the xboner at any time as they wish..

CJ_ofCamelot

charging for online play now?

charging for online play. used to be free. xbl was bashed for this.

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charging for online play now?

CaseyWegner

charging for online play. used to be free. xbl was bashed for this.

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[QUOTE="CJ_ofCamelot"] More servers. Less lag. This all adds value.CJ_ofCamelot

charging for online play. used to be free. xbl was bashed for this.

so that's why sony did it?

[QUOTE="CJ_ofCamelot"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

charging for online play. used to be free. xbl was bashed for this.

CaseyWegner

so that's why sony did it?

[QUOTE="santoron"]

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but everybody knew about it. it was no secret. people complained but not in massive numbers like they did over the drm thing. giving sony all the credit for this is ridiculous.

CaseyWegner

Oh, I don't give them all the credit, it was the massive amount of negative coverage due to gamers reactions.  But it's silly to dismiss the fact that Sony's more consumer friendly policies, and Sony's eagerness to contrast themselves with MS's hated policies that really drove the coverage of the XB1 after E3.  It was a big factor. 

i'm not completely dismissing sony's role. sony was the alternative. sony didn't complain and demand that ms change. it was the public and the media who hold the lion's share of the "credit" for what happened.

I see what you're saying now, and I agree.  Sony is not some hero for the consumer, and MS certainly didn't immediately cave because of Sony's plans.  More like the fact that Sony was offering consumers a more popular option, combined with Sony's almost giddyness at pointing that out on a world stage that REALLY got the general public to start lighting a fire under MS's feet.  XB1 was going to get crushed by the PS4 if MS allowed Sony that kind of free positive buzz, and to their credit they ate some crow and changed course far faster than most thought they would.  

If they would've reacted to consumer sentiment as quickly with Windows 8 during its previews, they wouldn't be racing to implement changes so quickly now in an attempt to assuage complaints and boost adoption rates.