Sony -- Behind Closed Doors

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#51  Edited By kinectthedots
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@delta3074 said:

@kinectthedots said:

What a desperate fanboy response. Really dude? You posting that old shit to try to make some kind of a connection about what's happening with this news?

By Brent Lang on January 27, 2014 @ 6:32 am

wow, congratulations on being the most desperate guy in the room.

Just look at how you are hard you are tying to make this all about Sony's financial situation again even in the face of inside news of what happened with these developers.

You are acting like some kind of conspiracy theorist now because of how badly you want this all about to be about Sony's finances. You are exactly the type of jester the guy in my quote was talking about when he says, People are connecting dots that don't need to be connected.

Keep jumping through those hoops to try to make some kind of connection with that old ass report you have making yourself look like a clown when my link clearly states, "Sony is Now Working on Hiring Again".

'obviously not the reason these developers left but lest not ignore the giant Elephant in the room, SONY needs to pull a rabbit out of the Hat pretty sharpish or they are going to have to sell off more assets and developers.'

did you miss that part? the part where i said these developers leaving had NOTHING to do with SONY's financial status?

Where did i try to make the connection between this news and SONY's financial status? oh yeah, i didn't....

delta3074 wrote:"Hes still right though, SONY are in a bad shape financially

http://www.thewrap.com/sony-debt-downgraded-junk-status-shares-fall/

They don't downgrade a comapanys shares to junk status unless they are in the crapper financially."

Yeah you did buddy.

You were invested enough to pull that old ass link out in an attempt to defend the financial related argument about the news of those developers leaving.

There is no need to try to back track now. You were the one jumping through hoops to try to defend it with that link, so embrace it and champion that argument with all you might because it's too late to act like you weren't trying to do that now.

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#52  Edited By kinectthedots
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@cainetao11 said:

@kinectthedots:

Dude, you're coming off as desperate. Yes you have a nice little report about hirings. Yay!! Did any analyst upgrade Sony out of junk status? Is their debt margin wiped? You don't seem to know anything about what we're really talking about. Its ok. They are still the best, the world loves them, and they will make video games. But don't sit here and post "insider" information, and tell me its all legit about Sony, and other companies get raped on this board for PR spin.

Nope you are the only one who is desperate.

context my friend, get some.

I am worried about sony, in general though. But not for every action or occurrence that happens is related directly to what you are talking about. Sony getting rid of their PC division, yeah bringing up that report and sony's finances would have made perfect sense and I would not have had any objections.

This specific news, however, has been accounted for so all those other spring board connections about sony's financial stats saying, "but Sony's junk status" comes off as you and the other who brought it up as being desperate.

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#53 Shewgenja
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@delta3074 said:
@Shewgenja said:

I am convinced of two things.

1. Lems will be the first to bring business affairs into a discussion about gaming.

2. Lems don't know fucking shit about business.

BTEC national diploma in business and finance including Marketing, Investments, consumer legislation and of course IT level 3.

just as well i ain't a lem eh.

Two years for a full turnaround. There's still some fat to trim but the carving knife into the Playstation business is all accounted for.

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#54 tymeservesfate
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@Animal-Mother said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Whatever it is can't be good. I think the cat will be out of the bag before E3.


And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.

And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.

It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.

the thing with this is everyone from Sony is just leaving...to nothing. MS's people leave to other jobs while Sony's people just get out of Dodge, abandoned ship. that's what stands out...if Jack Tretton left to another position somewhere then it would clear why he left. Henning and the others also...but they didnt, they just left. MS's people, mostly all of them, left to another job position somewhere else. so its easier to see why they might have left. because they got a nice opportunity somewhere else. Sony's guys, no, they just left or were let go and are looking for work lol. that's why this thread is a good speculation topic. because something does seem to be going on with Sony in the backgrounds.

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#55 ReadingRainbow4
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@hippiesanta said:

After the Layoffs Sony is Now Working on Hiring Again; Insider Explains What Happened

I love how fanboys continue to ignore what's been said in that article, lol.

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#56 shawn30
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@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Whatever it is can't be good. I think the cat will be out of the bag before E3.

Agreed. Something newsworthy will break before then. And I doubt we've seen the last of the people leaving. Its nearly becoming a daily thing now.

4 people have left 343, so is Halo going to be shit then? Guess I'll mark that game off my must buys. Thanks for the heads up :D

Over the last couple of months, sure. All companies see people move, retire, or change roles. But the entire environment surrounding all of Sony has had a world of upheaval in recent weeks, hence the discussion over why so many aspects of the company, and the PS division are seeing a great deal of personnel movement. No one is predicting Sony's world will end tomorrow. But If I see smoke down by Sony street, there's likely a fire somewhere nearby.

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#57 misterpmedia
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@Bishop1310 said:

@misterpmedia said:

No.

can't argue with that... but in all seriousness.. Anyone with even the smallest amount of business savvy or education realize exactly what's going on.. Sony is bleeding money and a lot of these employees want job security something sony clearly can't offer right now. .. As a somewhat successful businessman myself it's easy to see what's really happening here, I've unfortunately been through something similar with a company in Canada. When a companies financial statements look this bad people start to talk, rumours start and you end up with a revolving door of people. Companies will try and push high paid employees out of positions so they can hire "fresh minds" that make much less, in turn saving them some cash.

I'm not quite sure the gaming community really understands what's taking place at Sony right now but the playstation brand under Sony isn't safe (any brand under Sony for that matter). I could see Sony selling off the playstation brand eventaully, it has a nice market cap and if you receive any kind of business related reading material you'll see Playstations latest valuation wasn't too shabby. Buyers would be very interested.

When I hear that the playstation brand is struggling, as in actual reports and that studios will be officially closing, support dropped, the system discontinued etc then I will begin to 'worry'. From what I've read these things happen all the time, it's end of fiscal year, the company needs to lock down a few things and make things leaner. On top of that the new playstation system isn't as tough to crack as the CELL, and boy was that a money sink in itself at the start, so maybe they don't need as much man power to get games up and running. Why waste money on employees you don't actually need a round?(see the slide of time to triangle thing). On top of that this happened at the start of last generation but it wasn't given enough of a focus because fanboy factions weren't as rabid' back then. The only reason things like this get brought into light and over blown is because of fanboys and sensationalistic games journalism.

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#58  Edited By Heil68
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@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Whatever it is can't be good. I think the cat will be out of the bag before E3.

Agreed. Something newsworthy will break before then. And I doubt we've seen the last of the people leaving. Its nearly becoming a daily thing now.

4 people have left 343, so is Halo going to be shit then? Guess I'll mark that game off my must buys. Thanks for the heads up :D

Over the last couple of months, sure. All companies see people move, retire, or change roles. But the entire environment surrounding all of Sony has had a world of upheaval in recent weeks, hence the discussion over why so many aspects of the company, and the PS division are seeing a great deal of personnel movement. No one is predicting Sony's world will end tomorrow. But If I see smoke down by Sony street, there's likely a fire somewhere nearby.

Well im not buying it not, obviously something is fishy there. thanks for the heads up.

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#59  Edited By blackace
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Not sure what to think at this point. I'm waiting to see how many more people leave before the E3 gets here. How many people Sony actually hires back into the company. How their first quarter of 2014 turns out. What investors will say after the E3 and mid-year results. Fanboys need to realize, it's not all about the PS4 and how well it's doing. It's really about everything that's NOT the PS4 that should be concerning people. PS4 could be at the top of the mountain, but if the base of the mountain is crumble down, the PS4 will fall with it. If Sony starts acquire loans, they we'll know it serious. At least their stocks are starting to increase again.

https://www.google.com/#q=Sony+Stocks