Sony clarifies: No USED GAMES on PS4 is up to the publishers... not us

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#1 robotapple
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We're screwed :cry:

 

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pre-owned-games-block-on-ps4-is-a-publisher-decision/0111344

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#2 KarateeeChop
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well that pretty much confirms it. :(

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I don't see the big deal...I never buy used games and I don't sell many of my own games. I wait for price drops if I don't think a game is worth $60.

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#4 VendettaRed07
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Technically a publisher could block used games on the ps3 if they wanted too. 

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#5 Nengo_Flow
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I said it before (when the whole EA pass started in 09), I have no issue with the blocking of used games. All consoles should block used games.
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#6 robotapple
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I don't see the big deal...I never buy used games and I don't sell many of my own games. I wait for price drops if I don't think a game is worth $60.

StrongBlackVine

 

This is terrible.

 

No buying used games, trading them in, borring them from friends

 

I don't see how anyone can spin this into a positive.

 

Damn you Sony.

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#7 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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That's bull-sh*t. He was obviously talking about product activation codes like how used games are treated on the consoles right now.

In no way did he mean what the article in the OP is suggesting.

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I said it before (when the whole EA pass started in 09), I have no issue with the blocking of used games. All consoles should block used games.Nengo_Flow
:| Wtf?
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#9 robotapple
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Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

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#10 osirisx3
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well there goes consoles gamings biggest advantage.

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#11 Nengo_Flow
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[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]I said it before (when the whole EA pass started in 09), I have no issue with the blocking of used games. All consoles should block used games.kuraimen
:| Wtf?

Umad?
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#12 RR360DD
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Will be interesting to see because if the Xbox does block used games then all publishers will do it on the PS4 anyway
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Online Passes for all.

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#14 bbkkristian
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That's bull-sh*t. He was obviously talking about product activation codes like how used games are treated on the consoles right now.

In no way did he mean what the article in the OP is suggesting.

airshocker
Exactly what I was thinking. It will be as it is right now, most likely; with EA and Sony's Online Pass, et cetera
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#15 Giancar
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They can do it right now with the PS3 and 360 technically. Activation codes.
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#16 Klipsh
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That's bull-sh*t. He was obviously talking about product activation codes like how used games are treated on the consoles right now.

In no way did he mean what the article in the OP is suggesting.

airshocker
And this shows you were the only one in this thread to read the actual article.
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#17 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]I said it before (when the whole EA pass started in 09), I have no issue with the blocking of used games. All consoles should block used games.Nengo_Flow
:| Wtf?

Umad?

Very :x
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As long as games go on sale like they do on steam I won't have a problem with it. Ether way I'm buying a game a year after it comes out for half the price.
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#19 Nengo_Flow
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Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

robotapple
What do you mean? It IS up to the devs/publisgers, thats why there is the EA and Ubisoft online passes. Sony, M$ or Nintendo cant tell them to have or not have online passes. SONY, M$, Nintendo dont control the content or the way the content is availale of 3rd party games.
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[QUOTE="robotapple"]

Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

Nengo_Flow

What do you mean? It IS up to the devs/publisgers, thats why there is the EA and Ubisoft online passes. Sony, M$ or Nintendo cant tell them to have or not have online passes. SONY, M$, Nintendo dont control the content or the way the content is availale of 3rd party games.

 

Nintendo did not allow this **** on the Wii U... it's ultimately up to Sony or MS to give devs the power to do this.

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[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] :| Wtf?kuraimen
Umad?

Very :x

let the but hurt flow...

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[QUOTE="robotapple"]

Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

Nengo_Flow

What do you mean? It IS up to the devs/publisgers, thats why there is the EA and Ubisoft online passes. Sony, M$ or Nintendo cant tell them to have or not have online passes. SONY, M$, Nintendo dont control the content or the way the content is availale of 3rd party games.

Its sony's console and they can do what they want. Microsoft implimented a lot of restricitions on developers for a long time until they eventually gave on things like how large an update could be, or what size a game on the arcade could be, or what the resolution standard for a 360 game could be... and so on. 

If sony wanted they could say "You cannot block used games or any game that uses the psn is not allowed to feature an online pass"

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[QUOTE="robotapple"]

Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

Nengo_Flow
Sony, M$ or Nintendo cant tell them to have or not have online passes. SONY, M$, Nintendo dont control the content or the way the content is availale of 3rd party games.

Yes they can
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That has always been the case, even on PS3, it's not going to happen but publishers could require an online activation for single player on PS3 if they wanted, taking the online pass to the next level essentially.
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Sony has a responsibility to gamers to block any publisher who institutes a no used game policy from using their platform. Anything less is just makes Sony out to be just as f*cking stupid.

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"Game unable to load. Failed to recognize proper software license. Please enter activation license copy received in your copy of the game OR directly buy access via the Playstation Store. Sorry for the inconvenience."
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Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

robotapple
You don't understand, if the publisher wants to block used games EVEN NOW, they can do it. Sony is just allowing the publisher to do it or not so that they are not liable for any criticism of a publisher using it. If Sony blocked used games then consumer backlash would be huge, if Sony DIDN'T block used games(not allowing the blocking of games), publisher backlash would be huge. This way only the publisher gets backlash unless you're a misinformed fool from SW.
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#28 Nengo_Flow
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[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"][QUOTE="robotapple"]

Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

VendettaRed07

What do you mean? It IS up to the devs/publisgers, thats why there is the EA and Ubisoft online passes. Sony, M$ or Nintendo cant tell them to have or not have online passes. SONY, M$, Nintendo dont control the content or the way the content is availale of 3rd party games.

Its sony's console and they can do what they want. Microsoft implimented a lot of restricitions on developers for a long time until they eventually gave on things like how large an update could be, or what size a game on the arcade could be, or what the resolution standard for a 360 game could be... and so on. 

If sony wanted they could say "You cannot block used games or any game that uses the psn is not allowed to feature an online pass"

Sony aint as evil as M$. Im up for blockage of used games, so I dont care whether its SONY or the publishers that block 'em. Either way, PS4 day one for me.
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That has always been the case, even on PS3, it's not going to happen but publishers could require an online activation for single player on PS3 if they wanted, taking the online pass to the next level essentially. SaltyMeatballs
A new gen brings forward a new way of thinking. It is going to happen.
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#30 Frostbite24
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[QUOTE="robotapple"]

Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

JohnF111
You don't understand, if the publisher wants to block used games EVEN NOW, they can do it. Sony is just allowing the publisher to do it or not so that they are not liable for any criticism of a publisher using it. If Sony blocked used games then consumer backlash would be huge, if Sony DIDN'T block used games(not allowing the blocking of games), publisher backlash would be huge. This way only the publisher gets backlash unless you're a misinformed fool from SW.

The fact that Sony isn't saying they will block any publishers who block used games makes them just as liable as if they were doing it themselves. Fact.
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Also note people. The holy Sony was one of the first publishers to start using ONLINE PASSES. The evil Microsoft has YET to use an online pass in any of their games.
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Right move imo, no need for the platform to decide that in advance. And I'm very happy the way Steam works, so I'm ok either way.
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#33 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="robotapple"]

Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

Frostbite24
You don't understand, if the publisher wants to block used games EVEN NOW, they can do it. Sony is just allowing the publisher to do it or not so that they are not liable for any criticism of a publisher using it. If Sony blocked used games then consumer backlash would be huge, if Sony DIDN'T block used games(not allowing the blocking of games), publisher backlash would be huge. This way only the publisher gets backlash unless you're a misinformed fool from SW.

The fact that Sony isn't saying they will block any publishers who block used games makes them just as liable as if they were doing it themselves. Fact.

Yeah of course it does :roll:
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Publishers can block used games on PS3 and 360 also, it's matter of code :>
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#35 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="robotapple"]

Sony deserves to bankrupt for this imo

 

Disgusting they would leave it up to publishers

Frostbite24
You don't understand, if the publisher wants to block used games EVEN NOW, they can do it. Sony is just allowing the publisher to do it or not so that they are not liable for any criticism of a publisher using it. If Sony blocked used games then consumer backlash would be huge, if Sony DIDN'T block used games(not allowing the blocking of games), publisher backlash would be huge. This way only the publisher gets backlash unless you're a misinformed fool from SW.

The fact that Sony isn't saying they will block any publishers who block used games makes them just as liable as if they were doing it themselves. Fact.

Almost everyone is liable now including Valve for Steam. I think the only ones who go unscathed are GoG but CDProjekt are nice guys like that.
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#37 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Also note people. The holy Sony was one of the first publishers to start using ONLINE PASSES. The evil Microsoft has YET to use an online pass in any of their games.

Sony also allows sharing games on multiple PS3s while M$ never allowed that...
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That's bull-sh*t. He was obviously talking about product activation codes like how used games are treated on the consoles right now.

In no way did he mean what the article in the OP is suggesting.

airshocker
This. TC is just trying to twist around info
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#39 whiskeystrike
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And that's exactly how it is now

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#40 Sali217
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That has always been the case, even on PS3, it's not going to happen but publishers could require an online activation for single player on PS3 if they wanted, taking the online pass to the next level essentially. SaltyMeatballs
Technically they could... and then wait for the first sale doctrine lawsuits to flow from Gamestop, Bestbuy, Amazon, etc.
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]That has always been the case, even on PS3, it's not going to happen but publishers could require an online activation for single player on PS3 if they wanted, taking the online pass to the next level essentially. ShadowDeathX
A new gen brings forward a new way of thinking. It is going to happen.

I don't think it will. Publishers and Sony will be pushing digital more, a lot more, digital will be more competitive (even if it becomes just slightly cheaper cheaper than retail like PS Vita digital store), people can't sell digital copies so it would become a moot point.

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#42 ShadowriverUB
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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

That's bull-sh*t. He was obviously talking about product activation codes like how used games are treated on the consoles right now.

In no way did he mean what the article in the OP is suggesting.

Capitan_Kid
This. TC is just trying to twist around info

Exacly this, guys Online Pass os not PSN or Live feature, it's exploit of DLC system, could be easilly attached to whole game, so yes PS4 allows for this mechanics.... as PS3, 360, Wii U and the king in this proceeder.... PC allows to do
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So no backwards compatibility or used games? Hahaha Sony is screwed.
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#45 Shewgenja
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The answer is so simple as to be almost ludicrous.  Don't buy games from publishers who bog their games down with DRM.  It's as simple as that.  Some of you will look for any possible excuse to blame Sony for the evils of this world.  I saw a dead squirrel on the road on the way to work this morning.  Blame Sony for that while you're at it.

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[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I don't see the big deal...I never buy used games and I don't sell many of my own games. I wait for price drops if I don't think a game is worth $60.

robotapple

 

This is terrible.

 

No buying used games, trading them in, borring them from friends

 

I don't see how anyone can spin this into a positive.

 

Damn you Sony.

I'm pretty sure if a publisher blocks used games on PS4 it will also apply to the 720.  They aren't going to divide it.

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If Sony does it, it must be good for the industry and I'll support it.
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#48 Giancar
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[QUOTE="robotapple"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I don't see the big deal...I never buy used games and I don't sell many of my own games. I wait for price drops if I don't think a game is worth $60.

NoirLamia777

 

This is terrible.

 

No buying used games, trading them in, borring them from friends

 

I don't see how anyone can spin this into a positive.

 

Damn you Sony.

I'm pretty sure if a publisher blocks used games on PS4 it will also apply to the 720.  They aren't going to divide it.

3rd party online pass codes works for both systems. Next gen will be the same.
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#49 ShadowriverUB
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]So no backwards compatibility or used games? Hahaha Sony is screwed.

And here we have birth of myth, same as myth about OnLive being dead
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#50 k2theswiss
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i knew it from the beginning. Sony/MS won't do it because they don't want the blame. They will let publishers do their thing like online passes