Sony Doomed? :( Now Nintendo is Doomed? :(

I don't want Microsoft to jerk me around with overpriced services. :cry:

What would happen if next gen has only Microsoft :?

I don't want Microsoft to jerk me around with overpriced services. :cry:

What would happen if next gen has only Microsoft :?

FashionFreak

Wha? I don't even...

No really. Only Sony is doomed.

Nintendo is worth more in profits than Sony is in debt. That's saying something.

None are doomed. They're all making money. Sony may be losing money in their electronics division, as far as tvs, stereo, home theates, etc., but I believe their gaming division is doing fine. If Microsoft happened to be the only one in the console hardware market we as gamers would be doomed. Nothing against Microsoft, but if any of these three were left to be the only one in that market we all would suffer.

Oh come on now lets not start acting like Nintendo is anywhere near as bad of financial troubles as Sony.

None are doomed. They're all making money. Sony may be losing money in their electronics division, as far as tvs, stereo, home theates, etc., but I believe their gaming division is doing fine. If Microsoft happened to be the only one in the console hardware market we as gamers would be doomed. Nothing against Microsoft, but if any of these three were left to be the only one in that market we all would suffer.

godzillavskong

In 10 years Sony Corp has lost 82% of its entire net worth. Sep 2001 - $100 Billion, December 2011 - $18 Billion.

None are doomed. They're all making money. Sony may be losing money in their electronics division, as far as tvs, stereo, home theates, etc., but I believe their gaming division is doing fine. If Microsoft happened to be the only one in the console hardware market we as gamers would be doomed. Nothing against Microsoft, but if any of these three were left to be the only one in that market we all would suffer.

godzillavskong

I can see Sony (in a couple of years, if they can't turn the company around as a whole) consolodating their different divisions and liquidating many that are not turning a profit. Their gaming division would probably be among those that are kept around.

I don't want Microsoft to jerk me around with overpriced services. :cry:

What would happen if next gen has only Microsoft :?

FashionFreak

[QUOTE="FashionFreak"]

I don't want Microsoft to jerk me around with overpriced services. :cry:

What would happen if next gen has only Microsoft :?

AmazonTreeBoa

See bold

Is their gaming division to blame for their huge losses? I don't think so, even with the Vita it's too soon to tell.hummer700

Discuss.

Its not interesting Thread and boring

maybe create this one

Our Wallets are DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.isnintendodoomed.com/

It's official

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="hummer700"]Is their gaming division to blame for their huge losses? I don't think so, even with the Vita it's too soon to tell.hummer700

Overall down about 4.75 billion

Understand now?

Sony is not the developer of Playstation.

SCEA (Sony Computer Entertainment of America) is.

They're doing great.

The parent company, not so much.

I think they will have to sell off their TV division.

Sony isn't doomed, because huge corporations like Sony don't just magically get mismanaged directly into the dirt. At some point, an intelligent businessman will take the reigns, turn it around and make a ton of cash. They'll need to cut off some excess fat (i.e., worthless divisions) but Sony will make it through their current problems.

The same isn't so true for Nintendo if, in theory, they were in a similar situation. They rely solely on their games, which means that console generation transition periods are really tough for the Big N. They'll be fine though.

Sony is not the developer of Playstation.

SCEA (Sony Computer Entertainment of America) is.

They're doing great.

The parent company, not so much.

I think they will have to sell off their TV division.

LazySloth718

SCEA finally profits a couple years after PS3 hardware costs come down but its pocket change compared to the losses it suffered

"SCEA is doing great"

Give me a break :lol: They're doing terrible and just lost a crapload more cash this year after the PSN hack Vita failure.

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Sony is not the developer of Playstation.

SCEA (Sony Computer Entertainment of America) is.

They're doing great.

The parent company, not so much.

I think they will have to sell off their TV division.

phonemug

SCEA finally profits a couple years after PS3 hardware costs come down but its pocket change compared to the losses it suffered

"SCEA is doing great"

Give me a break :lol: They're doing terrible and just lost a crapload more cash this year after the PSN hack Vita failure.

SCEA loses billions of dollars in PS3s first few years on the market

SCEA finally profits a couple years after PS3 hardware costs come down but its pocket change compared to the losses it suffered

"SCEA is doing great"

Give me a break :lol: They're doing terrible and just lost a crapload more cash this year after the PSN hack Vita failure.

phonemug

Mostly wishful thinking on your part.

PS3 made back initial investment by 2008.

They're the top selling console worldwide since around 2010.

Perhaps your confusion stems from the fact that Microsoft has lost $6billion in the console business since 2001.

That's why they're forced to use a schitty video card in their next one.

(And I still think they won't have a console, it will be a tablet type thing.)

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Sony is not the developer of Playstation.

SCEA (Sony Computer Entertainment of America) is.

They're doing great.

The parent company, not so much.

I think they will have to sell off their TV division.

phonemug

SCEA finally profits a couple years after PS3 hardware costs come down but its pocket change compared to the losses it suffered

"SCEA is doing great"

Give me a break :lol: They're doing terrible and just lost a crapload more cash this year after the PSN hack Vita failure.

The 360 lost billions of dollars off the RROD scandal. Both companies are making good money off their respective systems for the past few years.

Calling the Vita a failure is a bit premature. Remember what happened when everyone said the 3ds was a failure?

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Sony is not the developer of Playstation.

SCEA (Sony Computer Entertainment of America) is.

They're doing great.

The parent company, not so much.

I think they will have to sell off their TV division.

PraetorianMan

SCEA finally profits a couple years after PS3 hardware costs come down but its pocket change compared to the losses it suffered

"SCEA is doing great"

Give me a break :lol: They're doing terrible and just lost a crapload more cash this year after the PSN hack Vita failure.

Sony lost a crapload of money on the PS3 and almost all of their marketshare going from first to last place in the home console market.

Vita is a de facto flop.

SCEA has been a complete failure this gen.

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

SCEA loses billions of dollars in PS3s first few years on the market

SCEA finally profits a couple years after PS3 hardware costs come down but its pocket change compared to the losses it suffered

"SCEA is doing great"

Give me a break :lol: They're doing terrible and just lost a crapload more cash this year after the PSN hack Vita failure.

LazySloth718

Mostly wishful thinking on your part.

PS3 made back initial investment by 2008.

They're the top selling console worldwide since around 2010.

Perhaps your confusion stems from the fact that Microsoft has lost $6billion in the console business since 2001.

That's why they're forced to use a schitty video card in their next one.

(And I still think they won't have a console, it will be a tablet type thing.)

Marketshare drops over 85%

Loses billions of dollars this generation

Vita becomes de facto flop

[QUOTE="PraetorianMan"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]SCEA loses billions of dollars in PS3s first few years on the market

SCEA finally profits a couple years after PS3 hardware costs come down but its pocket change compared to the losses it suffered

"SCEA is doing great"

Give me a break :lol: They're doing terrible and just lost a crapload more cash this year after the PSN hack Vita failure.

phonemug

Sony lost a crapload of money on the PS3 and almost all of their marketshare going from first to last place in the home console market.

Vita is a de facto flop.

SCEA has been a complete failure this gen.

General assumptions of a fanboy does not = fact. At least LazySloth718 can offer up some numbers to support his claims.

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="PraetorianMan"] That's not how business works. It doesn't matter if you lost a trillion dollars yesterday, if you made $20 in profit today and you are expecting to make another $20 tomorrow, that's all people care about. Likewise, it doesn't matter if you made a trillion dollars yesterday. If you lose $20 today, and you don't expect to stop losing money any time soon, investors will flip a **** on you. Economics 101.

mysticstryk

Sony lost a crapload of money on the PS3 and almost all of their marketshare going from first to last place in the home console market.

Vita is a de facto flop.

SCEA has been a complete failure this gen.

General assumptions of a fanboy does not = fact.

[QUOTE="PraetorianMan"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

SCEA loses billions of dollars in PS3s first few years on the market

SCEA finally profits a couple years after PS3 hardware costs come down but its pocket change compared to the losses it suffered

"SCEA is doing great"

Give me a break :lol: They're doing terrible and just lost a crapload more cash this year after the PSN hack Vita failure.

phonemug

Sony lost a crapload of money on the PS3 and almost all of their marketshare going from first to last place in the home console market.

Vita is a de facto flop.

SCEA has been a complete failure this gen.

He's telling you how business works. Which is exactly what he said. :|

And from the perspective of someone who manages, he's right. Losses in the past don't matter if you are profiting now. Likewise, every quarter/FY is looked at on it's own merits as opposed to being seen as a large chunk including all recent quarters/FY's. Shareholders only care about increased share value today over yesterday, or even better, planned increases in the near future.

By these rules, the huge money the gaming division lost at the beginning of the console generation doesn't matter.

Then again, I don't really claim to have knowledge of Sony's current financial state, so I won't comment on that because I can't do so accurately.

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="PraetorianMan"] That's not how business works. It doesn't matter if you lost a trillion dollars yesterday, if you made $20 in profit today and you are expecting to make another $20 tomorrow, that's all people care about. Likewise, it doesn't matter if you made a trillion dollars yesterday. If you lose $20 today, and you don't expect to stop losing money any time soon, investors will flip a **** on you. Economics 101.

Assassin_87

Sony lost a crapload of money on the PS3 and almost all of their marketshare going from first to last place in the home console market.

Vita is a de facto flop.

SCEA has been a complete failure this gen.

He's telling you how business works. Which is exactly what he said. :|

And from the perspective of someone who manages, he's right. Losses in the past don't matter if you are profiting now. Likewise, every quarter/FY is looked at on it's own merits as opposed to being seen as a large chunk including all recent quarters/FY's. Shareholders only care about increased share value today over yesterday, or even better, planned increases in the near future.

By these rules, the huge money the gaming division lost at the beginning of the console generation doesn't matter.

Then again, I don't really claim to have knowledge of Sony's current financial state, so I won't comment on that because I can't do so accurately.

So losing billions of dollars of dollars and 85% of your marketshare in a generation is good business?

Sony's business model is to lose money on hardware and recoup it on software years into the generation as hardware costs come down. Only this generation they never even came close to recouping their losses and lost most of their marketshare. Complete failure.

Tell me more of bizniz please I need to learn.

http://www.isnintendodoomed.com

It's official

FashionFreak

:lol:

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

Kid on systemwars trying to tell me how console wars work.

Sony lost a crapload of money on the PS3 and almost all of their marketshare going from first to last place in the home console market.

Vita is a de facto flop.

SCEA has been a complete failure this gen.

phonemug

He's telling you how business works. Which is exactly what he said. :|

And from the perspective of someone who manages, he's right. Losses in the past don't matter if you are profiting now. Likewise, every quarter/FY is looked at on it's own merits as opposed to being seen as a large chunk including all recent quarters/FY's. Shareholders only care about increased share value today over yesterday, or even better, planned increases in the near future.

By these rules, the huge money the gaming division lost at the beginning of the console generation doesn't matter.

Then again, I don't really claim to have knowledge of Sony's current financial state, so I won't comment on that because I can't do so accurately.

So losing billions of dollars of dollars and 85% of your marketshare in a generation is good business?

Sony's business model is to lose money on hardware and recoup it on software years into the generation as hardware costs come down. Only this generation they never even came close to recouping their losses and lost most of their marketshare. Complete failure.

Tell me more of bizniz please I need to learn.

lol calm down, I'm not trying to troll you or defend Sony's bad business decisions.

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]Kid on systemwars trying to tell me how console wars work.

Sony lost a crapload of money on the PS3 and almost all of their marketshare going from first to last place in the home console market.

Vita is a de facto flop.

SCEA has been a complete failure this gen.

phonemug

He's telling you how business works. Which is exactly what he said. :|

And from the perspective of someone who manages, he's right. Losses in the past don't matter if you are profiting now. Likewise, every quarter/FY is looked at on it's own merits as opposed to being seen as a large chunk including all recent quarters/FY's. Shareholders only care about increased share value today over yesterday, or even better, planned increases in the near future.

By these rules, the huge money the gaming division lost at the beginning of the console generation doesn't matter.

Then again, I don't really claim to have knowledge of Sony's current financial state, so I won't comment on that because I can't do so accurately.

So losing billions of dollars of dollars and 85% of your marketshare in a generation is good business?

Sony's business model is to lose money on hardware and recoup it on software years into the generation as hardware costs come down. Only this generation they never even came close to recouping their losses and lost most of their marketshare. Complete failure.

Tell me more of bizniz please I need to learn.

:roll:

Debating with you is like trying to have a political discussion with a 5 year old. You just don't get it.

PS3 highest selling console worldwide.

Vita global rollout Feb 23, 2012

Twisted Metal

God of War 4

Starhawk

Last of Us

Ni no Kuni

Yes, this is clearly a dying company.

Microsoft obviously must be growing, sold all of its studios and has nothing but Halo and Gears every year.

Yeah baby! Dance Central 2!!! Kinect golf!!!

Clearly a company on the upswing.

Not.

All MS has left is Windows.

Everything they do fails.

Bing - Failed

Zune - Failed

MSN - Failed

IE - Failed (and it's a free product too! How does a free product fail?!???)

Face it Microsoft is like the Titanic.

And now, they will be releasing a console with a GPU that wasn't even top of the line 2 years ago. Introducing LAST gen tech next gen. Brilliant!

FAIL

Windows 8 is gonna tank so hard. Have you seen it? LOL

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="PraetorianMan"] That's not how business works. It doesn't matter if you lost a trillion dollars yesterday, if you made $20 in profit today and you are expecting to make another $20 tomorrow, that's all people care about. Likewise, it doesn't matter if you made a trillion dollars yesterday. If you lose $20 today, and you don't expect to stop losing money any time soon, investors will flip a **** on you. Economics 101.

Assassin_87

Sony lost a crapload of money on the PS3 and almost all of their marketshare going from first to last place in the home console market.

Vita is a de facto flop.

SCEA has been a complete failure this gen.

He's telling you how business works. Which is exactly what he said. :|

And from the perspective of someone who manages, he's right. Losses in the past don't matter if you are profiting now. Likewise, every quarter/FY is looked at on it's own merits as opposed to being seen as a large chunk including all recent quarters/FY's. Shareholders only care about increased share value today over yesterday, or even better, planned increases in the near future.

By these rules, the huge money the gaming division lost at the beginning of the console generation doesn't matter.

Then again, I don't really claim to have knowledge of Sony's current financial state, so I won't comment on that because I can't do so accurately.

sonys doomed not nintnendoreach3

are you still here, shouldn't you be blowing Bill Gates

[QUOTE="reach3"]sonys doomed not nintnendoDrKillByDeath84

are you still here, shouldn't you be blowing Bill Gates

[QUOTE="DrKillByDeath84"]

[QUOTE="reach3"]sonys doomed not nintnendoreach3

are you still here, shouldn't you be blowing Bill Gates

witty comeback from the fanboy

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="DrKillByDeath84"]

are you still here, shouldn't you be blowing Bill Gates

DrKillByDeath84

witty comback from the fanboy

*Comeback

Says the fanboy...

The industry is doomed without Sony.ispeakfact

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]The industry is doomed without Sony.reach3

Neither company is going to go down anytime soon, but one of them is much closer to that than the other... much closer.

Nintendo is not doomed. Sony and the pc are the ones actually doomed.

PS3 highest selling console worldwide.

Vita global rollout Feb 23, 2012

Twisted Metal

God of War 4

Starhawk

Last of Us

Ni no Kuni

Yes, this is clearly a dying company.

Microsoft obviously must be growing, sold all of its studios and has nothing but Halo and Gears every year.

Yeah baby! Dance Central 2!!! Kinect golf!!!

Clearly a company on the upswing.

Not.

All MS has left is Windows.

Everything they do fails.

Bing - Failed

Zune - Failed

MSN - Failed

IE - Failed (and it's a free product too! How does a free product fail?!???)

Face it Microsoft is like the Titanic.

And now, they will be releasing a console with a GPU that wasn't even top of the line 2 years ago. Introducing LAST gen tech next gen. Brilliant!

FAIL

Windows 8 is gonna tank so hard. Have you seen it? LOL

LazySloth718

Pretty much this !!!

If Sony are going down, they would have atleast tried to make some profit by selling their companies/studios. On the other hand if Ninty scr*w with WiiU, they will be done for good. M$, i've never liked as acompany, so i don't care what will happen to them !!

PS3 made back initial investment by 2008.

LazySloth718

got a link for that chief?

EDIT:

PS3 highest selling console worldwide.

Vita global rollout Feb 23, 2012

Twisted Metal

God of War 4

Starhawk

Last of Us

Ni no Kuni

Yes, this is clearly a dying company.

Microsoft obviously must be growing, sold all of its studios and has nothing but Halo and Gears every year.

Yeah baby! Dance Central 2!!! Kinect golf!!!

Clearly a company on the upswing.

Not.

All MS has left is Windows.

Everything they do fails.

Bing - Failed

Zune - Failed

MSN - Failed

IE - Failed (and it's a free product too! How does a free product fail?!???)

Face it Microsoft is like the Titanic.

And now, they will be releasing a console with a GPU that wasn't even top of the line 2 years ago. Introducing LAST gen tech next gen. Brilliant!

FAIL

Windows 8 is gonna tank so hard. Have you seen it? LOL

LazySloth718

oh, you're trolling, nevermind then

[QUOTE="hummer700"]Is their gaming division to blame for their huge losses? I don't think so, even with the Vita it's too soon to tell.phonemug

indeed, and lemmings think that somehow the losses over a few years before the ps3 became profitable were way more than the large profits from the whole ps2 gen

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"]

None are doomed. They're all making money. Sony may be losing money in their electronics division, as far as tvs, stereo, home theates, etc., but I believe their gaming division is doing fine. If Microsoft happened to be the only one in the console hardware market we as gamers would be doomed. Nothing against Microsoft, but if any of these three were left to be the only one in that market we all would suffer.

mysticstryk

I can see Sony (in a couple of years, if they can't turn the company around as a whole) consolodating their different divisions and liquidating many that are not turning a profit. Their gaming division would probably be among those that are kept around.

Oh like this topic is origional :roll:

And nobody is going out of business, they have all made a profit from games this gen, that goes for MS and Nintendo AND Sony. You would have to be a huge dumbass to think these companies are doomed.