sony forbids users from filing class action suit with latest ToS

http://www.megagames.com/news/sony-forbids-users-filing-****action-lawsuits-against-psn

so you can't play psn unless you agree. looks like ps3 will be the last sony console i buy.

Old news. You can also opt out by writing a letter to SNEI informing them that you do not wish to agree to that term.

Do you regularly file class action lawsuits against Sony?

What does this mean, in detail?SHATT3R3D-GLASS

You cannot be part of any class-action suit against Sony if you agree. It's in line with a precedent recently set by the Supreme Court in the USA, with regards to AT&T. It's unsure as to whether this would have any effect outside of the US, or possibly just California in particular (I think this only pertained to the individual state).

Do you regularly file class action lawsuits against Sony?

BPoole96

of course not, i never have. But this is taking away my basic rights.

Old news. You can also opt out by writing a letter to SNEI informing them that you do not wish to agree to that term.

lundy86_4

Old news. You can also opt out by writing a letter to SNEI informing them that you do not wish to agree to that term.

lundy86_4

within 30 days, plus thats an inconvenience.....screw sony. Not even microsoft has the balls to try pulling something like this

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Do you regularly file class action lawsuits against Sony?

blaznwiipspman1

of course not, i never have. But this is taking away my basic rights.

Well just don't leave your credit card info on there and I don't think you have anything to worry about or wouyld have any reason to be suing Sony

of course not, i never have. But this is taking away my basic rights.

blaznwiipspman1

You can blame the Supreme Court then. It's the decision made by them which set this precedent. You will likely start seeing it in more and more contracts.

Indeed. My mom actually wants me to do that. I'm too lazy though >.>mrmusicman247

:P It's not a huge deal, unless you were looking to file as part of a class-action. I'm not gonna bother... But I definitely don't blame people for opting out. It's a good idea.

within 30 days, plus thats an inconvenience.....screw sony. Not even microsoft has the balls to try pulling something like this

blaznwiipspman1

Yes, and yet, it's simple as pie to do. At least they are giving you the option of opting out.

As for MS, you'd be surprised. This was a precedent set by the Supreme Court, not Sony. It's their ruling that will allow more companies to start doing this.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Do you regularly file class action lawsuits against Sony?

blaznwiipspman1

of course not, i never have. But this is taking away my basic rights.

Which basic right is that?

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

But this is taking away my basic rights.

GD1551

Which basic right is that?

I was just about to ask the same thing.

And personally, I don't really have any problems with this. People get sued for the silliest of reasons nowadays.

Old news. You can also opt out by writing a letter to SNEI informing them that you do not wish to agree to that term.

lundy86_4

Isn't there already a topic on this?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Old news. You can also opt out by writing a letter to SNEI informing them that you do not wish to agree to that term.

peterw007

Isn't there already a topic on this?

I think there have been a couple.

This was already posted but w/e.

Here's the deal. When agreeing to this (you can't access your online account until you do so) you are waiving your right to sue Sony with other customers as a collective unit. However, you can still pursue legal action on an individual basis, whatever it is in a court that you wish to. This is to prevent the suehappy customers from suing Sony in the "name of millions of customers." Warranties are still valid, restrictions are still there, nothing else has changed but that one specific thing.

Is it right? No.

Am I willing to fight Supreme court ruling over this matter? Absolutely not.

Now before anyone decides to be a vigilante and lead the charge against Sony, make sure you aren't a member of AT&T or T-Mobile (there are some other companies doing this I can't remember off the top of my head) because they have the same rule in their contracts.

Old news. You can also opt out by writing a letter to SNEI informing them that you do not wish to agree to that term.

lundy86_4

Meh...Didn't have plans to sue them anyway.

Is that true? Either way I think this is a very stupid thing by Sony but Sony is known to do stupid legal things like this all the time.kuraimen

Yes. Within 30 days of you agreeing to the terms, you can opt out of this particular part.

This is being utilized by a number of companies, not just Sony. It's very smart for them to do this.

This is probably because of the time when Sony lost all 80 million users credit card information and other personal information with their crappy online security. This just means consumers have no protection anymore when Sony seriously effs up. If they screw you over, then you cant do anything. My suggestion to every psn user is to never use their credit card to buy anything online. If you want to buy something then get a psn gift card from walmart and use that instead.

This is probably because of the time when Sony lost all 80 million users credit card information and other personal information with their crappy online security. This just means consumers have no protection anymore when Sony seriously effs up. If they screw you over, then you cant do anything. My suggestion to every psn user is to never use their credit card to buy anything online. If you want to buy something then get a psn gift card from walmart and use that instead.

blaznwiipspman1

You can still sue them, or resolve any issues through arbitration. This isn't a blanket "you can't sue us, haha!" Furthermore, it's unlikely something like this would hold up outside of the US, and possibly not even all states within the US will recognize it.

Furthermore, again, you have the option to opt out. Yes, Sony is giving the consumer the option to opt out. You do not have to agree to this.

Anyway, getting your CC info stolen is nothing... Just report it lost/stolen, receive new card in the mail within a week or so.

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

This is probably because of the time when Sony lost all 80 million users credit card information and other personal information with their crappy online security. This just means consumers have no protection anymore when Sony seriously effs up. If they screw you over, then you cant do anything. My suggestion to every psn user is to never use their credit card to buy anything online. If you want to buy something then get a psn gift card from walmart and use that instead.

lundy86_4

You can still sue them, or resolve any issues through arbitration. This isn't a blanket "you can't sue us, haha!" Furthermore, it's unlikely something like this would hold up outside of the US, and possibly not even all states within the US will recognize it.

Furthermore, again, you have the option to opt out. Yes, Sony is giving the consumer the option to opt out. You do not have to agree to this.

Anyway, getting your CC info stolen is nothing... Just report it lost/stolen, receive new card in the mail within a week or so.

I hope you're right about that, and this only affects a select FEW 1 or 2 states and nothing more. The option to opt out is only 30 days, and how many of the psn users will actually do that? Maybe 100 or 200 tops? Sony is taking advantage of the fact that peoples are uneducated about the law. Also I wouldn't want a hacker to know my address, phone number, spending habits, etc etc.

This is probably because of the time when Sony lost all 80 million users credit card information and other personal information with their crappy online security. This just means consumers have no protection anymore when Sony seriously effs up. If they screw you over, then you cant do anything. My suggestion to every psn user is to never use their credit card to buy anything online. If you want to buy something then get a psn gift card from walmart and use that instead.

blaznwiipspman1

You can still pursue the same legal action before just not as a collective unit with other customers.

Wait what??? So that means i can never suit Sony??? how could they do that??? and here was i thinking on a way to suit them and get rich...oh well i'm done with Sony *goes and play Blazblue online*

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

But this is taking away my basic rights.

Planeforger

Which basic right is that?

I was just about to ask the same thing.

And personally, I don't really have any problems with this. People get sued for the silliest of reasons nowadays.

I hope you're right about that, and this only affects a select FEW 1 or 2 states and nothing more. The option to opt out is only 30 days, and how many of the psn users will actually do that? Maybe 100 or 200 tops? Sony is taking advantage of the fact that peoples are uneducated about the law. Also I wouldn't want a hacker to know my address, phone number, spending habits, etc etc.

blaznwiipspman1

It doesn't matter if it's for 30 days... The option is still there for people. Who knows how many will do it? How many are likely to enter into a class-action suit against Sony? It's just pointless to assume anything. The fact remains, anybody who wants to opt out, can do so.

Everybody takes advantage of everybody, hence why we have sayings like "It's a dog eat dog world". That's life. Sony are trying to protect themselves, legally, yet are still giving us the option to pursue a legal suit if necessary (either alone, or in a class-action if people opted out).

Nobody wants a hacker to know that information, naturally. However, the chances of one individual being able to do anything with that information is slim. Heck, just about every company in the world has access to that information. Companies sell it on all the time. What's stopping a disgruntled employee stealing that information? Heck, we don't even know if these companies correctly secure any of the information sold on to them.

Wait what??? So that means i can never suit Sony??? how could they do that??? and here was i thinking on a way to suit them and get rich...oh well i'm done with Sony *goes and play Blazblue online*

madsnakehhh

Nah, you can. You can either opt out, or just sue them individually. There is also the option to resolve the dispute through Sony's arbitration process.

They are taking away my right as an American to blame ot her people for my mistakes!

What a shame! :P

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

This is probably because of the time when Sony lost all 80 million users credit card information and other personal information with their crappy online security. This just means consumers have no protection anymore when Sony seriously effs up. If they screw you over, then you cant do anything. My suggestion to every psn user is to never use their credit card to buy anything online. If you want to buy something then get a psn gift card from walmart and use that instead.

blaznwiipspman1

You can still sue them, or resolve any issues through arbitration. This isn't a blanket "you can't sue us, haha!" Furthermore, it's unlikely something like this would hold up outside of the US, and possibly not even all states within the US will recognize it.

Furthermore, again, you have the option to opt out. Yes, Sony is giving the consumer the option to opt out. You do not have to agree to this.

Anyway, getting your CC info stolen is nothing... Just report it lost/stolen, receive new card in the mail within a week or so.

I hope you're right about that, and this only affects a select FEW 1 or 2 states and nothing more. The option to opt out is only 30 days, and how many of the psn users will actually do that? Maybe 100 or 200 tops? Sony is taking advantage of the fact that peoples are uneducated about the law. Also I wouldn't want a hacker to know my address, phone number, spending habits, etc etc.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Both MS and Sony did so numerous times.
Nintendo has never done that to me.

Next gen I'll stick to my nintendo + pc choice.
Makes me play pretty much all non generic high quality titles anyway.

I predict next generation the M$ and Sony fans will lose twice as much money as they initially expected, on repairs, service price increases and unincluded proprietary hardware.

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Do you regularly file class action lawsuits against Sony?

GD1551

of course not, i never have. But this is taking away my basic rights.

Which basic right is that?

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

of course not, i never have. But this is taking away my basic rights.

The_Gaming_Baby

Which basic right is that?

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Both MS and Sony did so numerous times.
Nintendo has never done that to me.

Next gen I'll stick to my nintendo + pc choice.
Makes me play pretty much all non generic high quality titles anyway.

I predict next generation the M$ and Sony fans will lose twice as much money as they initially expected, on repairs, service price increases and unincluded proprietary hardware.

KungfuKitten

Nintendo does the most biting out of the bunch lol.

[QUOTE="The_Gaming_Baby"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Which basic right is that?

POPEYE1716

Which guy?

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Do you regularly file class action lawsuits against Sony?

blaznwiipspman1

of course not, i never have. But this is taking away my basic rights.

You can still sue them...

Well Sony has taken a lot of features out of the Playstation 3. Since it launched it has lost quite a bit. And then with the Hacker incident. Sony has to do it best. Few few class action suits are "real" and with just cause. I have not problems with Sony's TOS since I just want to play videogames in peace.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Both MS and Sony did so numerous times.
Nintendo has never done that to me.

Next gen I'll stick to my nintendo + pc choice.
Makes me play pretty much all non generic high quality titles anyway.

I predict next generation the M$ and Sony fans will lose twice as much money as they initially expected, on repairs, service price increases and unincluded proprietary hardware.

GD1551

Nintendo does the most biting out of the bunch lol.

I will also stick with nintendo and my trusty PC. Im done with sony and their consoles. They can stick it where the sun don't shine for all I care.

I'm not big on suing, but if I learned that my CC information was stolen from Sony servers by SQL injection or some other primitive means I would entertain the thought of getting in a class action suit, especially if my identity had be stolen as a result of there negligence. Class action suits aren't about making money, they are about punishing and preventing negligence.lhughey

agreed...class action suits aren't about making money, hell the pay off if there ever is one, is usually like $20...a couple of coffees or a big mac combo.

Wait what??? So that means i can never suit Sony??? how could they do that??? and here was i thinking on a way to suit them and get rich...oh well i'm done with Sony *goes and play Blazblue online*

madsnakehhh

They are taking away my right as an American to blame ot her people for my mistakes!

What a shame! :P

dxmcat

i guess getting your credit card information stolen was also your mistake. Why not just bend over, thank sony and ask them for another

[QUOTE="dxmcat"]

They are taking away my right as an American to blame ot her people for my mistakes!

What a shame! :P

blaznwiipspman1

i guess getting your credit card information stolen was also your mistake. Why not just bend over, thank sony and ask them for another

I happily accepted the terms and would never consider suing Sony. Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I happily accepted the terms and would never consider suing Sony. SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="dxmcat"]

They are taking away my right as an American to blame ot her people for my mistakes!

What a shame! :P

Chris_Williams

i guess getting your credit card information stolen was also your mistake. Why not just bend over, thank sony and ask them for another

Sony made it easy enough for hackers to just walk in. I heard the security flaw was already mentioned to sony MONTHS before hand, but sony just let it be.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

i guess getting your credit card information stolen was also your mistake. Why not just bend over, thank sony and ask them for another

blaznwiipspman1

Sony made it easy enough for hackers to just walk in. I heard the security flaw was already mentioned to sony MONTHS before hand, but sony just let it be.

[QUOTE="lhughey"]I'm not big on suing, but if I learned that my CC information was stolen from Sony servers by SQL injection or some other primitive means I would entertain the thought of getting in a class action suit, especially if my identity had be stolen as a result of there negligence. Class action suits aren't about making money, they are about punishing and preventing negligence.blaznwiipspman1

agreed...class action suits aren't about making money, hell the pay off if there ever is one, is usually like $20...a couple of coffees or a big mac combo.