Sony: forget Natal, PS Eye can recognise faces NOW.

[via Joystiq]

I think this is just Sony being reactionary as usual.

But even if the camera is as sensitive as they say, it's all about software. Why then have they not released anything pushing the camera to it's fullest potential?

Lastly, I still don't think it recognizes forward movement, which is why they still had to make the wand.

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

I think this is just Sony being reactionary as usual.

But even if the camera is as sensitive as they say, it's all about software. Why then have they not released anything pushing the camera to it's fullest potential?

Lastly, I still don't think it recognizes forward movement, which is why they still had to make the wand.

TBoogy

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

urdead18

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

urdead18

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

aaronmullan

Fail in what way?

I mean, it's pretty clear that motion control has been a success. It is the only reason the Wii sells, and it's destroying the competition.

Who's to say that a "Wii Sports" on 360 with better graphics won't be a hit? Now, if you are arguing if they can make something that YOU or I want to play with Natal, that is of course a different story.

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

aaronmullan

100% agree with the 2 posts above.

I don't even know what Natal is.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219697
"you've also got the PlayStation Eye, and we have a lot of libraries in this space already to do with facial recognition, spatial recognition, gesture recognition and all of these little elements"

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/07/16/sony-playstation-eye-can-recognize-faces-right-now/

"During the Develop Conference going on right now in the UK, Sony has revealed that the existing PlayStation Eye camera can recognize you -- well, specifically your face -- and track your skeletal movement without getting all touchy-feely."

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/05/sony-nabs-patent-for-everyday-object-motion-detection-the-fragi/

"Sony has filed a patent for technology using the PlayStation Eye which can detect regular objects in 3D space and file them away in a database for later use in gameplay."

Demo's -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJPok3NZEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBA1uWSDYjk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZkFL7livcA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WbDBxhaX7M

The PS EYE can do everything that the Natal can do.

Before the Sony copy MS

Sony has had the idea since 2004. http://www.pushsquare.com/tag/eyetoy/ "Sony's EyeToy Inventor Richard Marks Demonstrates Natal-Like 3DV Breakout Demo At Stanford University In 2004"

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="urdead18"]

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

TBoogy

Fail in what way?

I mean, it's pretty clear that motion control has been a success. It is the only reason the Wii sells, and it's destroying the competition.

Who's to say that a "Wii Sports" on 360 with better graphics won't be a hit? Now, if you are arguing if they can make something that YOU or I want to play with Natal, that is of course a different story.

I think this is just Sony being reactionary as usual.

But even if the camera is as sensitive as they say, it's all about software. Why then have they not released anything pushing the camera to it's fullest potential?

Lastly, I still don't think it recognizes forward movement, which is why they still had to make the wand.

TBoogy

that is true, they showed the duck and water tech at e3 05, so this motion sensing was already known about. they have made mini games for the eyetoy since the launch so it's pointless saying it can do a bunch of stuff if you don't have any software to back it up.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] This. Both will fail, and I'll be there to laugh at anyone who thinks different.aaronmullan

Fail in what way?

I mean, it's pretty clear that motion control has been a success. It is the only reason the Wii sells, and it's destroying the competition.

Who's to say that a "Wii Sports" on 360 with better graphics won't be a hit? Now, if you are arguing if they can make something that YOU or I want to play with Natal, that is of course a different story.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] This. Both will fail, and I'll be there to laugh at anyone who thinks different.aaronmullan

Fail in what way?

I mean, it's pretty clear that motion control has been a success. It is the only reason the Wii sells, and it's destroying the competition.

Who's to say that a "Wii Sports" on 360 with better graphics won't be a hit? Now, if you are arguing if they can make something that YOU or I want to play with Natal, that is of course a different story.

No, I think people who liked the idea of it but were turned off by the graphics, cutesy characters, or limited uses of teh Wii and never got one (like myself) will get a 360 instead. Then you have motion control and online song purchases, and movie rentals, all in one box. I hope you don't think Nintendo's 50 million is all there is in the world to sell to?

Give me motion control with better graphics and I may jump. Especially if y

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

I think this is just Sony being reactionary as usual.

But even if the camera is as sensitive as they say, it's all about software. Why then have they not released anything pushing the camera to it's fullest potential?

Lastly, I still don't think it recognizes forward movement, which is why they still had to make the wand.

Mckenna1845

that is true, they showed the duck and water tech at e3 05, so this motion sensing was already known about. they have made mini games for the eyetoy since the launch so it's pointless saying it can do a bunch of stuff if you don't have any software to back it up.

Agreed.

Software (and integration) is how MS beats Sony with LIVE, and is how they will beat them with NATAL.

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

urdead18

we are probably looking at Natal being the tech for the XBOX 720WadeFan

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

WadeFan

[QUOTE="WadeFan"]we are probably looking at Natal being the tech for the XBOX 720nervmeister

This is all very cool technology, but its useless for gaming.

I think this is just Sony being reactionary as usual.

But even if the camera is as sensitive as they say, it's all about software. Why then have they not released anything pushing the camera to it's fullest potential?

Lastly, I still don't think it recognizes forward movement, which is why they still had to make the wand.

[QUOTE="WadeFan"][QUOTE="urdead18"]

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

urdead18

The only way I can think of this as being useful is some sort of future OS that uses a computer camera to record gestures the user makes to the PC and acts on them.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="WadeFan"]we are probably looking at Natal being the tech for the XBOX 720WadeFan

Hope they both fail, motion sensing of any kind has been a bane to gaming ever since it was announced.

Until they actually show something worthwhile they are basically talking out their ass.

Hope they both fail, motion sensing of any kind has been a bane to gaming ever since it was announced.

Crossel777

and Natal can recognize the same controller scheme as the PS eye Its all a matter of programming, THOUGH Natal will use more recent and up todate camera tech.

[QUOTE="WadeFan"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]I highly doubt Natal is going to be the mainstay control for most next-gen MS games.nervmeister

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

Hope they both fail, motion sensing of any kind has been a bane to gaming ever since it was announced.

heretrix

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219697
"you've also got the PlayStation Eye, and we have a lot of libraries in this space already to do with facial recognition, spatial recognition, gesture recognition and all of these little elements"

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/07/16/sony-playstation-eye-can-recognize-faces-right-now/

"During the Develop Conference going on right now in the UK, Sony has revealed that the existing PlayStation Eye camera can recognize you -- well, specifically your face -- and track your skeletal movement without getting all touchy-feely."

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/05/sony-nabs-patent-for-everyday-object-motion-detection-the-fragi/

"Sony has filed a patent for technology using the PlayStation Eye which can detect regular objects in 3D space and file them away in a database for later use in gameplay."

Demo's -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJPok3NZEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBA1uWSDYjk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZkFL7livcA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WbDBxhaX7M

The PS EYE can do everything that the Natal can do.

Before the Sony copy MS

Sony has had the idea since 2004. http://www.pushsquare.com/tag/eyetoy/ "Sony's EyeToy Inventor Richard Marks Demonstrates Natal-Like 3DV Breakout Demo At Stanford University In 2004"

Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="WadeFan"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]But Natal is far different from a motion-sensing wand. You can move a character's body parts, but doing things like moving forward in a game's space, driving vehicles and even pausing is a mystery mechanic-wise on how they'll be performed on Natal.nervmeister

Until they actually show something worthwhile they are basically talking out their ass.

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

Hope they both fail, motion sensing of any kind has been a bane to gaming ever since it was announced.

Crossel777

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Until they actually show something worthwhile they are basically talking out their ass.

aaronmullan

Who cares, all of this motion sensing and facial recognition garbage will be over with soon enough. I hope.

urdead18

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

I think this is just Sony being reactionary as usual.

But even if the camera is as sensitive as they say, it's all about software. Why then have they not released anything pushing the camera to it's fullest potential?

Lastly, I still don't think it recognizes forward movement, which is why they still had to make the wand.

TBoogy

that is true, they showed the duck and water tech at e3 05, so this motion sensing was already known about. they have made mini games for the eyetoy since the launch so it's pointless saying it can do a bunch of stuff if you don't have any software to back it up.

Agreed.

Software (and integration) is how MS beats Sony with LIVE, and is how they will beat them with NATAL.

How is a gimmick suppose to beat another gimmick? :

I remember reading a magazine about a year ago and the person behind the design of the pseye basically said it can do all the thing natal can. He didn't mention natal because it hadn't existed yet, but the features he mentioned were all present in Natal. This guy was behind the design and everything and claimed it can track 3d movement, facial recognition and everything. I honestly wish I could provide a scan or an image, but it was so long ago I honestly don't remember where I read it, but right now the PlayStation magazine and game informer are coming to mind. It maybe 1 of those magazines. So honestly I think Sony is just trying to get it out there that their camera can do the same thing and has been out longer. Honestly I wouldn't by natal or pseye for games. Only reason I'd buy either is for video chatting with other members.

[QUOTE="Crossel777"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Why not just play board games then? Wishing it will fail is silly. How about wishing that something cool comes out of it now that there is competition?

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Crossel777"] Because I pretty much know that barely anything good will come out of it. It will be never taken seriously for complex games just casual trash.black_tempest

This is all very cool technology, but its useless for gaming.

hakanakumono

Wasn't the PS Eye released over a year ago? Maybe even 2 years ago, don't know, but still..it's funny they haven't mentioned this ever since it launched, but now that MS has Natal they're like "yeah we've had this for a while we just never cared enough to use it" ..lol these guys.. :roll: DeadMagazines

If you read my post although I wish I had more evidence other then my words the guy who designed the pseye claimed it could do all this stuff since launch. I'm seriously going to see if I can find the magazine. It will be hard because I moved since I last had that magazine and usually I throw magazines out after I finished reading them and after I have owned them for a while.

[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"]Wasn't the PS Eye released over a year ago? Maybe even 2 years ago, don't know, but still..it's funny they haven't mentioned this ever since it launched, but now that MS has Natal they're like "yeah we've had this for a while we just never cared enough to use it" ..lol these guys.. :roll: bigblunt537

If you read my post although I wish I had more evidence other then my words the guy who designed the pseye claimed it could do all this stuff since launch. I'm seriously going to see if I can find the magazine. It will be hard because I moved since I last had that magazine and usually I throw magazines out after I finished reading them and after I have owned them for a while.