Sony gives the finger to Europe !

so its only ps2 games that arent fully backwards compatible?

so its only ps2 games that arent fully backwards compatible?

alex1889

Basically yes. Only a limited number of PS2 games will be playable to begin with. Who knows how many they will add afterwards.

Well, I don't see much screwing. I'm assuming different countries use import taxes, currency exchange rates, etc. So it might be higher there naturally than Japan or the USA.DrHyde

Well, I don't see much screwing. I'm assuming different countries use import taxes, currency exchange rates, etc. So it might be higher there naturally than Japan or the USA where Sony is more dominant. Removing it will indeed reduce costs which in turn might lower the price of the console as a whole. Sony is still taking massive losses on the system. As far as BC, well if it makes the games look better then there's nothing wrong with that. I certainly don't see any Xbox 360 users complaining about there BC, but it's probably going to take a lot longer to add those titles via firmware.DrHyde

We wern't the ones complaing. The Sony fanboys were the ones laughing and saying that unlike the 360 the PS3 was going to be fully backwards compatible.

[QUOTE="DrHyde"]Well, I don't see much screwing. I'm assuming different countries use import taxes, currency exchange rates, etc. So it might be higher there naturally than Japan or the USA.Felous1

They're still taking $200 or more losses on the console.DrHyde

[QUOTE="DrHyde"]Well, I don't see much screwing. I'm assuming different countries use import taxes, currency exchange rates, etc. So it might be higher there naturally than Japan or the USA.Felous1

SO whats your point? I wanna assume anyone with PS2 games has a PS2 just play it there. Yes its sort of an inconvenience, but what the heck Play PS3 games on PS3

mind you they will be improving BC with software updates

[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="DrHyde"]Well, I don't see much screwing. I'm assuming different countries use import taxes, currency exchange rates, etc. So it might be higher there naturally than Japan or the USA.Blinblingthing

SO whats your point? I wanna assume anyone with PS2 games has a PS2 just play it there. Yes its sort of an inconvenience, but what the heck Play PS3 games on PS3

mind you they will be improving BC with software updates

And they also said that they really aren't going to worry about it too much either

[QUOTE="DrHyde"]They're still taking $200 or more losses on the console.Felous1

Is it Sony is making them pay more or is it there Tax system thats doing that?

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[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="DrHyde"]Well, I don't see much screwing. I'm assuming different countries use import taxes, currency exchange rates, etc. So it might be higher there naturally than Japan or the USA.books83

SO whats your point? I wanna assume anyone with PS2 games has a PS2 just play it there. Yes its sort of an inconvenience, but what the heck Play PS3 games on PS3

mind you they will be improving BC with software updates

And they also said that they really aren't going to worry about it too much either

where are you getting that?

[QUOTE="DrHyde"]They're still taking $200 or more losses on the console.Felous1

[QUOTE="books83"][QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]

[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="DrHyde"]Well, I don't see much screwing. I'm assuming different countries use import taxes, currency exchange rates, etc. So it might be higher there naturally than Japan or the USA.Blinblingthing

SO whats your point? I wanna assume anyone with PS2 games has a PS2 just play it there. Yes its sort of an inconvenience, but what the heck Play PS3 games on PS3

mind you they will be improving BC with software updates

And they also said that they really aren't going to worry about it too much either

where are you getting that?

Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/pal-ps3-backwards-compatability-gimped-%5Bupdate%5D-239076.php

 I think PS2 backwards-compatibility is important, but when you look at what PS3's doing with new games, digital content and so on, that specific functionality may not be as important as previously felt.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/sony-australia-comment-on-bc-gimping-239525.php

Is it Sony is making them pay more or is it there Tax system thats doing that?Blinblingthing

I think another reason why they did this... Is so that people keep buying PS2's. Thus helping there games division support the ever increasing debt there racking up.

Wont surprise me if they removed the chips from US and JP consoles.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157529

"As you may recall, Sony got a few people excited last Friday after they announced that European PS3s would no longer be sporting an Emotion engine chip -- aka, "the thing that lets you play older games on your PS3". The community response (predictably) hovered somewhere in-between stunned incredulity and outright fury. You pay $600 for a console, you kind of expect it's going to handle your back catalogue.

Well, it's taken a few days for an 'official' response to make its way down from Sony on the Mountaintop, but lo, such a thing comes to you today via Sony's "unofficial" threespeech blog. Since threespeech essentially represents a kind of talking muppet head for Sony's PR department, don't expect to see the kind of rage and hurling of blunt objects in the interviewer's questions to which you might otherwise feel entitled -- but hey, at least the article DOES refer to the lobotomized PS3s as 'degraded models'. That's gotta count for something.

Here's the point-counterpoint, clipped straight from blog:

People weren't expecting this announcement. Surely we have the right to know the number of PAL supported games before the launch?

We have been assessing the extent of backward compatibility, and will continue to do so right up until launch. It is therefore not possible to provide a specific number of backwards compatible titles at this stage, but close to launch consumers will be able to check whether their titles are compatible with PS3 by looking at the list of compatible titles at http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc. This site will be available on 23rd March to meet launch day.

Does this mean that the PS2 hardware chips have been removed completely and replaced with software-only emulation?

The original PS3 used the Emotion Engine/Graphics Synthesizer to emulate PS2 titles. With the latest European specification we have removed the Emotion Engine, retaining the graphics chip. This has an impact on the number of PS2 titles that will be backwards compatible.

If this is a business decision to save cost, why are users left to bear the burden, having to purchase a system inferior to those sold in the US and Japan at a higher price?

The PS3 launching in Europe is every bit as powerful as the PS3s available currently in North America and Japan. PS3 is defined by key features such as the CELL broadband engine, its Blu-ray drive, the SIXAXIS Controller and its ability to output full 1080P HD game content which makes it an entertainment system for the future, without equal.

PSOne titles remain backwards compatible and we will continue to assess the compatibility of PS2 titles right up until launch We will continue to offer firmware upgrades to increase the number of titles that are compatible, but rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3, truly taking advantage of this exciting technology.

How will consumers be able to tell the difference between the fully compatible launch model available in America and Japan and the new degraded model?

On the external packaging of the PS3 there will be a small 'PAL' logo to denote that the PS3 is built for the European market (North American and Japanese models have a 'NTSC' logo). The model number will also appear on the label stuck to the top flap of the PS3 packaging (beginning CECHC followed by two digits -- see below).

In addition, each PS3 carries a barcode and serial number on the back of the system. At the end of the unique serial number for each console is the mode number. In the SCEE territories there are four model numbers:

Europe: CECHC04 UK and Ireland: CECHC03 Australia/New Zealand: CECHC02 Russia/India: CECHC08

Will the new updated hardware version improve the quality of the images of PS2 games on the PS3, as the current crop have been highly criticized?

This has already been achieved by a firmware upgrade, which will be incorporated in European launch models "Felous1

[QUOTE="DrHyde"]They're still taking $200 or more losses on the console.Felous1

[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="DrHyde"]They're still taking $200 or more losses on the console.Viviath

Thats why you can still pre-order 1. All sites have them ready to go. But lift off isn't going to be so great as people seem to believe.

To bad they shut down Link-Sang (spelling?)... Now they can't get US and JP consoles from HK.

maybe you should check the PS3 pre-orders.Viviath

[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]Is it Sony is making them pay more or is it there Tax system thats doing that?Felous1

Jesus !@#$ing Christ. Shut up about sony dropping the PS2 hardware. They told us back in June that they would drop it once they got a proper software emulator working.
asdasd

Jesus !@#$ing Christ. Shut up about sony dropping the PS2 hardware. They told us back in June that they would drop it once they got a proper software emulator working.
asdasd

hey man ..why do you have offend people with talking the lords name in vain? :?

[QUOTE="asdasd"]
Jesus !@#$ing Christ. Shut up about sony dropping the PS2 hardware. They told us back in June that they would drop it once they got a proper software emulator working.
d_agra

hey man ..why do you have offend people with talking the lords name in vain? :?

[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="DrHyde"]They're still taking $200 or more losses on the console.Truth_Hurts_U

Thats why you can still pre-order 1. All sites have them ready to go. But lift off isn't going to be so great as people seem to believe.

To bad they shut down Link-Sang (spelling?)... Now they can't get US and JP consoles from HK.

[QUOTE="DrHyde"]Well, I don't see much screwing. I'm assuming different countries use import taxes, currency exchange rates, etc. So it might be higher there naturally than Japan or the USA where Sony is more dominant. Removing it will indeed reduce costs which in turn might lower the price of the console as a whole. Sony is still taking massive losses on the system. As far as BC, well if it makes the games look better then there's nothing wrong with that. I certainly don't see any Xbox 360 users complaining about there BC, but it's probably going to take a lot longer to add those titles via firmware.books83

We wern't the ones complaing. The Sony fanboys were the ones laughing and saying that unlike the 360 the PS3 was going to be fully backwards compatible.

So, does this mean the Wii is now officially the best BC next-gen console (by a large margin)?

It can run NES, SNES, N64 (all of them as far as I am aware), PC Engine, Megadrive, NEO GEO game etc and more!

buying a JP or US console would defeat the purpose of BC..... :?Viviath

[QUOTE="asdasd"]
Jesus !@#$ing Christ. Shut up about sony dropping the PS2 hardware. They told us back in June that they would drop it once they got a proper software emulator working.
d_agra

hey man ..why do you have offend people with talking the lords name in vain? :?

Get a life, your better off worshiping a turnip it'll do the same amount for you.

i love how the cows are changing their tune now. especially after all the crap they talked about MS for going with emulation. johnusabeis

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[QUOTE="asdasd"]
Jesus !@#$ing Christ. Shut up about sony dropping the PS2 hardware. They told us back in June that they would drop it once they got a proper software emulator working.
privateiron13

hey man ..why do you have offend people with talking the lords name in vain? :?

Get a life, your better off worshiping a turnip it'll do the same amount for you.

Firstly, it was a joke( i sorry didnt put a laughting face for you)

Secondly, i think you my friend need to learn respect. wether they are atheist,christians,hindus,muslims..etc,stuff like this is un-called for

[QUOTE="d_agra"]

[QUOTE="asdasd"]
Jesus !@#$ing Christ. Shut up about sony dropping the PS2 hardware. They told us back in June that they would drop it once they got a proper software emulator working.
asdasd

hey man ..why do you have offend people with talking the lords name in vain? :?

:wink: only messing!didnt get offended by it!!

[QUOTE="privateiron13"]

[QUOTE="d_agra"]

[QUOTE="asdasd"]
Jesus !@#$ing Christ. Shut up about sony dropping the PS2 hardware. They told us back in June that they would drop it once they got a proper software emulator working.
d_agra

hey man ..why do you have offend people with talking the lords name in vain? :?

Get a life, your better off worshiping a turnip it'll do the same amount for you.

Firstly, it was a joke( i sorry didnt put a laughting face for you)

Secondly, i think you my friend need to learn respect. wether they are atheist,christians,hindus,muslims..etc,stuff like this is un-called for