sony going with blu ray is what killed them this gen

lets face it blu ray is useless DVD9 is jsut fine as the xbox360 has proved...

blu ray is a useless feature cause i bought ps3 for games not for movies

maybe in the future it will prove useful but as of now xbox360 is proving DVD9 is fine, and blu ray is not needed...

sony needs to stop using ps3 as a trojan horse for blu ray, and it could have cut the costs way down fro mthe start

THOUGHTS ???????????????

BluRay is already needed for Unreal Tournament 3.-Tretiak

o' rly proof ??????

BluRay is already needed for Unreal Tournament 3.-Tretiak

It seems likely it might be beneficial to it. But I'm not sure that you can qualify it as needed.

Yes, Blue Ray has totally killed them, it has nothing to do with the fact that the 360 and Wii have more popular games.

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]BluRay is already needed for Unreal Tournament 3.tidus222

o' rly proof ??????

I'm not going to bother linking you, but Mark Rein has stated that extra maps will be cut out of the Xbox 360 version due to the limitations of DVD9.

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]BluRay is already needed for Unreal Tournament 3.cakeorrdeath

It seems likely it might be beneficial to it. But I'm not sure that you can qualify it as needed.

Yeah, my bad. I worded that wrong.

BluRay is already needed for Unreal Tournament 3.-Tretiak

[QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]BluRay is already needed for Unreal Tournament 3.-Tretiak

o' rly proof ??????

I'm not going to bother linking you, but Mark Rein has stated that extra maps will be cut out of the Xbox 360 version due to the limitations of DVD9.

In two or three years that trojan horse is going to be huge. As the HD market expands and the PS3's price drops we're going to see a huge amount of growth in PS3 sales simply because of the BR feature combined with the game console. If the PS3 can stay within $100 of the price of standalone BR players I could see the PS3 beating the 360 and possibly even the Wii in sales.PBSnipes

lets not forget the ps3 is supposed to be a GAME CONSOLE though first and foremost

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]BluRay is already needed for Unreal Tournament 3.PBSnipes

o' rly proof ??????

I'm not going to bother linking you, but Mark Rein has stated that extra maps will be cut out of the Xbox 360 version due to the limitations of DVD9.

Yeah, I know. I already said that I worded it wrong. BluRay isn't needed, but it is beneficial.

Well, whats ruining it currently is the Blue-Ray, but after prices drop that might change. Doesn't matter how popular it becomes on a console though, it's the porn industry that decides the fate of the format wars.

[QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]BluRay is already needed for Unreal Tournament 3.-Tretiak

o' rly proof ??????

I'm not going to bother linking you, but Mark Rein has stated that extra maps will be cut out of the Xbox 360 version due to the limitations of DVD9.

im positive he said it was a POSSIBILITY and didnt confirm that

And you've gotta remember, Blu Rays cost 500 - 600 dollars by themselves. GKinnel

No, it's 300-400 dollars. Either keep up with prices or stop pulling numbers out of your ass.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]In two or three years that trojan horse is going to be huge. As the HD market expands and the PS3's price drops we're going to see a huge amount of growth in PS3 sales simply because of the BR feature combined with the game console. If the PS3 can stay within $100 of the price of standalone BR players I could see the PS3 beating the 360 and possibly even the Wii in sales.tidus222

lets not forget the ps3 is supposed to be a GAME CONSOLE though first and foremost

[QUOTE="GKinnel"]And you've gotta remember, Blu Rays cost 500 - 600 dollars by themselves. The_Ish

No, it's 300-400 dollars. Either keep up with prices or stop pulling numbers out of your ass.

[QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]In two or three years that trojan horse is going to be huge. As the HD market expands and the PS3's price drops we're going to see a huge amount of growth in PS3 sales simply because of the BR feature combined with the game console. If the PS3 can stay within $100 of the price of standalone BR players I could see the PS3 beating the 360 and possibly even the Wii in sales.PBSnipes

lets not forget the ps3 is supposed to be a GAME CONSOLE though first and foremost

yeah but the market doesnt seem ready for blu ray yet, people just upgraded to DVD's and arent ready for blu ray... i really dont see blu ray overtaking DVD sales for a long time......

also HDTV is only like 30-35% of households at the moment...... and out of those a real small % are 1080p capable

IMO sony is just puttign to much useless tech in 1080 p capability is worthless since developers never use it and nobody owns a 1080p TV anyways...... and blu ray nobody wants to upgrade LOL

Hardly. At this point in time Blu-ray diode (no need for decoding hardware and such since the Cell does it) is only adding about $10 to the cost of the system down from $150 at launch. Sony just absorbed the loses and now it doesn't even add much at all. Blu-ray as standard is costing us nothing extra really. PS3 overall is just a high end piece of equipment. Blu-ray in PS3 is just a benifit to Sony, developers, and a free bonus to us.

And quit arguing against Blu-ray. 360 games have already pushed DVD9 to the limit. The games will exist but things have to be cut or limitations set from the beginning. What's next gen about that? Devs for PS3 have all the space they need for whatever they want to do. Diverse environments and sounds, bonus material, texture streaming takes up a ton of space (why do you think Gears PC has extra single player levels?! I bet almost certainly they just got cut from the 360 version for space limitations). Blu-ray is a good thing for all parties involved. Sony makes money dominating the movie market, devs get all the space they could need, and gamers get the free bonus of HD movies and the games that use the extra space.

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[QUOTE="GKinnel"]And you've gotta remember, Blu Rays cost 500 - 600 dollars by themselves. PBSnipes

No, it's 300-400 dollars. Either keep up with prices or stop pulling numbers out of your ass.

It's still lower than what he claims, even in Canada.

Also, sorry, I probably shouldn't have lashed out. Too many fanboys on SW, and I havn't come here in a long time. :(

so kojima said blu ray was HUGE on mgs4.

so hes lying?

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]In two or three years that trojan horse is going to be huge. As the HD market expands and the PS3's price drops we're going to see a huge amount of growth in PS3 sales simply because of the BR feature combined with the game console. If the PS3 can stay within $100 of the price of standalone BR players I could see the PS3 beating the 360 and possibly even the Wii in sales.tidus222

lets not forget the ps3 is supposed to be a GAME CONSOLE though first and foremost

yeah but the market doesnt seem ready for blu ray yet, people just upgraded to DVD's and arent ready for blu ray... i really dont see blu ray overtaking DVD sales for a long time......

also HDTV is only like 30-35% of households at the moment...... and out of those a real small % are 1080p capable

IMO sony is just puttign to much useless tech in 1080 p capability is worthless since developers never use it and nobody owns a 1080p TV anyways...... and blu ray nobody wants to upgrade LOL

it might help them...i saw this old dude at best buy when i was buying an hdtv...hes like 60 and he says "i want an hdtv...and a nice player" and the guy says "well get the ps3 it plays hd and plays games"

and the guy says "ok ill get both"

i disagree. i think sony is smart for putting blu-ray in, but dumb for everything else in there console(graphics card is not as good as 360, way to powerfull processer).

since if the world goes blu-ray they win the next-gen dvd market (so far, in my eyes they are winning).

No, not Blu-Ray, it was GREED that killed Sony.

They wanted to dominate the video game & movie market. They wanted to own the next format for movies and tried using the popularity of the PS2 to shoe horn Blu-Ray into homes by sticking it in the PS3 and have the gaming community(probably the healthiest candidate for hardcore early adopters) pay and pave the way for Blu Ray.

BUT...With movies like TRANSFORMERS not comming to BLu-Ray, well, Paramount and Dreamworks didn't want Sony to own such a huge share in gaming and movies and decided to go HD-DVD.

The name brand didn't hold its strength after all the battery, firmware and unreliability issues happene, not to mention the sheer arrogance of Sony's PR.

So now, Sony's stock has only increase ONE DOLLAR from this very day a year ago and Nintendo's has tripled whith Halo 3 and another bad PS3 christmas around the corner.

Sony's greed and underestimation of the gaming community costed it its thrown.

Well, whats ruining it currently is the Blue-Ray, but after prices drop that might change.

The_Ish

say, didn't the ps3's price drop in july? and which console sold the least?

lets face it blu ray is useless DVD9 is jsut fine as the xbox360 has proved...

blu ray is a useless feature cause i bought ps3 for games not for movies

maybe in the future it will prove useful but as of now xbox360 is proving DVD9 is fine, and blu ray is not needed...

sony needs to stop using ps3 as a trojan horse for blu ray, and it could have cut the costs way down fro mthe start

THOUGHTS ???????????????

tidus222

Killzone 2's first level is 2 gigs

Oh yeah and Kojima said Bluray is too small for MGS4.