Sony had to play some SERIOUS catchup this gen...

Move controllers, Trohpies, Rumble Controllers (missing in the first gen controllers), psn....complete with missing party chat (argue me not, its great for when you just wanna play with friends and not hear anyone else)...

i mean im glad sony made some moves toward improvement this gen...same with MS although the only real issue (aside from hardware was the missing built in network adapter), but sony REALLY needs to come out strong right out the gate next gen in order to take some type of dominance back in the console industry?

anyone else got a view on the situation? maybe you see it differently? maybe MS was the biggest loser? nintendo?..........PC!? ( :lol: yeah right!)

...??? and 360 had to play MAJOR catch up with just installing standard wif-fi on their system. just saying.

Wait, are you talking about this gen or next gen?

All I can say is next gen Sony sure as hell better update their controller. The DS3 is so un-ergonomic compared to the 360's controller it's not even funny. Sony needs to take a risk and put out a newer, updated controller.

All I can say is next gen Sony sure as hell better update their controller. The DS3 is so un-ergonomic compared to the 360's controller it's not even funny. Sony needs to take a risk and put out a newer, updated controller.Vari3ty

Why change something that's not broken...?

Well alot of that stuff is irrelevant to us now, but your right. You'd be a fool not to say Sony was the biggest loser this gen, even if it passed the 360 by a substantial margin in sales. The PS3 was very expensive to make and Sony sold it at a loss for way too long. I find it hard to believe the KZ franchise has turned a profit, and I'm sure GT5 only broke even at best. The PSN breach is also going to cost them a HUGE fortune. I don't think that consumer trust will be pegged as hard as everyone thinks it will, but I know the money they spent fixing PSN and plan to spend reimbursing gamers will be substantial. So they are by far the biggest losers.

And get over cross game chat. I made a few of my friends on PSN get skype so we could do it. In the midst of an intense battle in any SP game, you are in no mood to talk, and you will not be listening.

That's why I like Sony this gen... I really love ketchup: it goes with everything.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

All I can say is next gen Sony sure as hell better update their controller. The DS3 is so un-ergonomic compared to the 360's controller it's not even funny. Sony needs to take a risk and put out a newer, updated controller.Papadrach

Why change something that's not broken...?

He's implying that it is broken.

I agree BUT I think MS is the biggest loser (in your wording lol) :P. RROD, no built in wi-fi, proprietary harddrive, proprietary headsets, disk tray, HD-DVD (failure), pay to play onilne, noisy, and so on.

Nintendo's is arguably the best, but lacks what many "gamers" want in a system.

...??? and 360 had to play MAJOR catch up with just installing standard wif-fi on their system. just saying.

Chris_Williams

Wait, are you talking about this gen or next gen?

jiggaloj

I....don't understand. What?funsohng

Ketchup... not hard to understand really :roll:

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

...??? and 360 had to play MAJOR catch up with just installing standard wif-fi on their system. just saying.

slvrraven9

[QUOTE="funsohng"]I....don't understand. What?GreenGoblin2099

Ketchup... not hard to understand really :roll:

They just need to use more affordable hardware so they can launch at a more reasonable pricepoint, and embrace online better, since that's where the market has/is headed - online big budget shooters. The rest of that stuff is relatively superfluous.

I'm surprised the 360 slipped so much after having a great start. I'm very impressed how the PS3 started delivering big time with the games and keeps delivering (took a lot of blood, sweat and tears to get there though). I always expected the Wii to win the sales race in the same manner as the DS, but at least the DS had more than a small handfull of really stellar games to justify it.tomarlyn

I agree with this man

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[QUOTE="funsohng"]I....don't understand. What?funsohng

Ketchup... not hard to understand really :roll:

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

All I can say is next gen Sony sure as hell better update their controller. The DS3 is so un-ergonomic compared to the 360's controller it's not even funny. Sony needs to take a risk and put out a newer, updated controller.

Why change something that's not broken...?

[QUOTE="Papadrach"]

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

All I can say is next gen Sony sure as hell better update their controller. The DS3 is so un-ergonomic compared to the 360's controller it's not even funny. Sony needs to take a risk and put out a newer, updated controller.slvrraven9

Why change something that's not broken...?

Yeah the controller could use an update... just make it fit the hand better... keep the same layout... (yall can argue where the analog sticks go idc... i can swap between the two controllers easily)

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="funsohng"]I....don't understand. What?funsohng

Ketchup... not hard to understand really :roll:

Honey mustard is dead... nothing to discuss here :|

...??? and 360 had to play MAJOR catch up with just installing standard wif-fi on their system. just saying.

Chris_Williams

OT: good points TC and I agree Sony has been playing "Catchup" a lot this gen. Only thing I can think to add to your post for next gen and what to do or not do. They need to realize people just aren't willing to spend that much money ($600 at launch) for a console. That and have a good game lineup when the PS4 launches.

Microsoft's issues this gen was crappy hardware (talking reliability) and having way too many games that were also on PC. As a PC gamer, they made it super easy to pick the PS3 over the 360 because of this. They also need to drop the online fees.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

...??? and 360 had to play MAJOR catch up with just installing standard wif-fi on their system. just saying.

Chris_Williams

ok unless you just jumped out of 1995 you really dont need your console to do online surfing, i mean its good for convenience but i dunno...its not like i do a major part of browsing on it and shopping (aside from psn thats nonexistant). i mean yeah its cool and i admit that sony did a good job implementing it all into one system, i just rarely use it. my ps is faster...i have multiple laptops. having anet browser is not an issue...not rechargable controllers, i did list and blu ray isnt an issue to me either i mean with netflix and DLC....i havent bought a blu ray ina LONG time. but yea...the major issues you listed i listed which were hardware reliability rechargable batteries and the built in network adapter. as far as sony a hiccup wouldnt be saying we sone use motion controllers (bashing nintendo with lolipop shaped controllers and then completely release what they bashed...IN EVERY SENSE.......AND FAIL! (lets not argue....its failing) realisticly theres an essense of copying in MS with motion controls and BLATANT copying with Sony...seriously, lets do better. i DO give it to them with the blu ray players though in the sense that they are the ONLY company to release a great upgradeable blu ray player at the beginning of the blu ray gen. they were indeed looking toward the future in some aspects and i do appluad them for their efforts..

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

...??? and 360 had to play MAJOR catch up with just installing standard wif-fi on their system. just saying.

OT: good points TC and I agree Sony has been playing "Catchup" a lot this gen. Only thing I can think to add to your post for next gen and what to do or not do. They need to realize people just aren't willing to spend that much money ($600 at launch) for a console. That and have a good game lineup when the PS4 launches.

Microsoft's issues this gen was crappy hardware (talking reliability) and having way too many games that were also on PC. As a PC gamer, they made it super easy to pick the PS3 over the 360 because of this. They also need to drop the online fees.

I agree completely. Sony to me had catchup last gen as well compared to the XBox. This is why I'm done with Sony. I've never been too impressed with their systems or exclusives, and they've let me down severely. Not only last gen after having to buy three PS2s because of DRE. The PS3 was nothing more than a Blu Ray player to me as the exclusives with the exception of Demons Souls were unipmressive to me. Plus with all the attacks on the PSN, just forget about it. Sony isn't getting my money ever again when it comes to gaming.

I agree completely. Sony to me had catchup last gen as well compared to the XBox. This is why I'm done with Sony. I've never been too impressed with their systems or exclusives, and they've let me down severely. Not only last gen after having to buy three PS2s because of DRE. The PS3 was nothing more than a Blu Ray player to me as the exclusives with the exception of Demons Souls were unipmressive to me. Plus with all the attacks on the PSN, just forget about it. Sony isn't getting my money ever again when it comes to gaming.

FPSDad1161

it wasn't only that. xbox had all the games in the begining. Now it's sort of the opposite.dkdk999

Yeah it's weird, it's almost like 360 and PS3 went in opposite directions this gen. But then again, Microsoft probably felt they they managed to take all that they could from Sony's market (third party exclusives/jrpgs) and figured that Nintendo's Casual Market should be their next focus.

Move controllers, Trohpies, Rumble Controllers (missing in the first gen controllers), psn....complete with missing party chat (argue me not, its great for when you just wanna play with friends and not hear anyone else)...

slvrraven9

I have no interest whatsoever in motion control. Achievements/trophies are nice but I don't care either way. I don't even notice rumble and I rarely play online.

And not a single **** was given that day.

...??? and 360 had to play MAJOR catch up with just installing standard wif-fi on their system. just saying.

Chris_Williams

At least XBL wasn't down for three weeks. >_>

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

...??? and 360 had to play MAJOR catch up with just installing standard wif-fi on their system. just saying.

slvrraven9

OT: good points TC and I agree Sony has been playing "Catchup" a lot this gen. Only thing I can think to add to your post for next gen and what to do or not do. They need to realize people just aren't willing to spend that much money ($600 at launch) for a console. That and have a good game lineup when the PS4 launches.

Microsoft's issues this gen was crappy hardware (talking reliability) and having way too many games that were also on PC. As a PC gamer, they made it super easy to pick the PS3 over the 360 because of this. They also need to drop the online fees.

I agree completely. Sony to me had catchup last gen as well compared to the XBox. This is why I'm done with Sony. I've never been too impressed with their systems or exclusives, and they've let me down severely. Not only last gen after having to buy three PS2s because of DRE. The PS3 was nothing more than a Blu Ray player to me as the exclusives with the exception of Demons Souls were unipmressive to me. Plus with all the attacks on the PSN, just forget about it. Sony isn't getting my money ever again when it comes to gaming.

FPSDad1161

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

Move controllers, Trohpies, Rumble Controllers (missing in the first gen controllers), psn....complete with missing party chat (argue me not, its great for when you just wanna play with friends and not hear anyone else)...

I have no interest whatsoever in motion control. Achievements/trophies are nice but I don't care either way. I don't even notice rumble and I rarely play online.

And not a single **** was given that day.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]He mentioned that.

OT: good points TC and I agree Sony has been playing "Catchup" a lot this gen. Only thing I can think to add to your post for next gen and what to do or not do. They need to realize people just aren't willing to spend that much money ($600 at launch) for a console. That and have a good game lineup when the PS4 launches.

Microsoft's issues this gen was crappy hardware (talking reliability) and having way too many games that were also on PC. As a PC gamer, they made it super easy to pick the PS3 over the 360 because of this. They also need to drop the online fees.

isn't this common knowledge? look at where the ps3 is now though.

I HATE when people use the PSN hacks as an excuse to bash SONY. It could have happened to Microsoft or Nintendo just as easily. NOTHING is hack proof. I bet you didn`t even know about all the major bank hacks that have happened in the last 6-7 months. The attacks have done nothing but boost SONY`s defences. If anything the hacks are a reason to put more trust in the system, now that there is better security measures in place.

PS3:

I can play for hours without any discomfort with the current PS3 controller, so that isn`t an issue. They have better exclusive content for multiplatform games (that means I am more likely to buy a multiplat game for my PS3), and they have better exclusives outside of the FPS genera. They use Blue-ray disks, witch means no disk swapping. They have integrated Wi-fi. They have a browser (I don`t use it much either, but it is nice to have). Free multiplayer (not as good as the 360`s in my opinion, but just barely). The layout is allot better in my opinion, you don`t have to take this part into consideration as it is my personal preference. Anybody who says that move is the same as the Wii motion controls has no idea what they are talking about, move is that the Wii would be if it was a more advanced.

360:

The controller is a better fit in my hand, but that really doesn`t matter. They are the FPS king, any online game is better on the 360 (granted not allot better, but enough that it is noticeable). One of my favorite series is on 360, Gears. The slim now has integrated Wi-fi, but alot of 360 owners still have the 360 fat. Kinnect is original and innovative. I don`t use it alot, but it is really neat. It has alot of problems. My disk drive went out a couple of months ago, it is practically useless now. You have to pay for live. It is the better experience, but it isn`t that much better. It seems like Microsoft is trying to squeeze every penny out of me. To get everything the PS3 has, I have to pay; rechargeable controllers, multiplayer, Wi-fi, etc.

Personally I buy multiplayer games and exclusives for my 360. I buy exclusives for my Wii. Then I buy everything else on my PS3. I don`t own a gameing PC, and I don`t really include the Wii in the system war debates. The Wii is fun, but not really a contender.

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"]

I agree completely. Sony to me had catchup last gen as well compared to the XBox. This is why I'm done with Sony. I've never been too impressed with their systems or exclusives, and they've let me down severely. Not only last gen after having to buy three PS2s because of DRE. The PS3 was nothing more than a Blu Ray player to me as the exclusives with the exception of Demons Souls were unipmressive to me. Plus with all the attacks on the PSN, just forget about it. Sony isn't getting my money ever again when it comes to gaming.

I HATE when people use the PSN hacks as an excuse to bash SONY. It could have happened to Microsoft or Nintendo just as easily. NOTHING is hack proof. I bet you didn`t even know about all the major bank hacks that have happened in the last 6-7 months. The attacks have done nothing but boost SONY`s defences. If anything the hacks are a reason to put more trust in the system, now that there is better security measures in place.

PS3:

I can play for hours without any discomfort with the current PS3 controller, so that isn`t an issue. They have better exclusive content for multiplatform games (that means I am more likely to buy a multiplat game for my PS3), and they have better exclusives outside of the FPS genera. They use Blue-ray disks, witch means no disk swapping. They have integrated Wi-fi. They have a browser (I don`t use it much either, but it is nice to have). Free multiplayer (not as good as the 360`s in my opinion, but just barely). The layout is allot better in my opinion, you don`t have to take this part into consideration as it is my personal preference. Anybody who says that move is the same as the Wii motion controls has no idea what they are talking about, move is that the Wii would be if it was a more advanced.

360:

The controller is a better fit in my hand, but that really doesn`t matter. They are the FPS king, any online game is better on the 360 (granted not allot better, but enough that it is noticeable). One of my favorite series is on 360, Gears. The slim now has integrated Wi-fi, but alot of 360 owners still have the 360 fat. Kinnect is original and innovative. I don`t use it alot, but it is really neat. It has alot of problems. My disk drive went out a couple of months ago, it is practically useless now. You have to pay for live. It is the better experience, but it isn`t that much better. It seems like Microsoft is trying to squeeze every penny out of me. To get everything the PS3 has, I have to pay; rechargeable controllers, multiplayer, Wi-fi, etc.

Personally I buy multiplayer games and exclusives for my 360. I buy exclusives for my Wii. Then I buy everything else on my PS3. I don`t own a gameing PC, and I don`t really include the Wii in the system war debates. The Wii is fun, but not really a contender.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"]

I agree completely. Sony to me had catchup last gen as well compared to the XBox. This is why I'm done with Sony. I've never been too impressed with their systems or exclusives, and they've let me down severely. Not only last gen after having to buy three PS2s because of DRE. The PS3 was nothing more than a Blu Ray player to me as the exclusives with the exception of Demons Souls were unipmressive to me. Plus with all the attacks on the PSN, just forget about it. Sony isn't getting my money ever again when it comes to gaming.

slvrraven9

I agree that hardware wise, the Xbox was the better console (minus that god awful controller they had for it originally).

[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

Move controllers, Trohpies, Rumble Controllers (missing in the first gen controllers), psn....complete with missing party chat (argue me not, its great for when you just wanna play with friends and not hear anyone else)...

slvrraven9

I have no interest whatsoever in motion control. Achievements/trophies are nice but I don't care either way. I don't even notice rumble and I rarely play online.

And not a single **** was given that day.

You're missing my point... none of those 'issues' concern me.

More Exclusives ?:P

yeah im sorry, i stopped reading when you said i mentioned the psn being hacked!? also im not talking about what you personally like about either system...im talking about its shortcoming and how they both need to capitalize off of what they learned this gen so they can be better prepared next gen...slvrraven9

I didn`t specify who I was directing my opening to. Other people HAVE mentioned the hacks. I was talking to them. Maby you should read what I said, instead of assumeing. You would have seen I had actuall points with only the occasional opinion.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]

I have no interest whatsoever in motion control. Achievements/trophies are nice but I don't care either way. I don't even notice rumble and I rarely play online.

And not a single **** was given that day.

You're missing my point... none of those 'issues' concern me.

All I can say is next gen Sony sure as hell better update their controller. The DS3 is so un-ergonomic compared to the 360's controller it's not even funny. Sony needs to take a risk and put out a newer, updated controller.

Vari3ty

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]yeah im sorry, i stopped reading when you said i mentioned the psn being hacked!? also im not talking about what you personally like about either system...im talking about its shortcoming and how they both need to capitalize off of what they learned this gen so they can be better prepared next gen...blahsalt48

I didn`t specify who I was directing my opening to. Other people HAVE mentioned the hacks. I was talking to them. Maby you should read what I said, instead of assumeing. You would have seen I had actuall points with only the occasional opinion.