Sony has to many trends and statistics fighting against it

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for jessmo30_basic
jessmo30_basic

8975

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#1 jessmo30_basic
Member since 2002 • 8975 Posts
Sony has to many trends and statistics fighting against it

-The Most exspensive console has never won.

-Sony has never won a  video format war.

-with the exception of the ps2 every trojan horse multimedia sytem has come in last place or flopped.
(I cite the psx and the psp).

-Sony has never launched a console against a major non sega rival.

-The trend has been that every company gets arrogant and fails in there third console cycle.
Avatar image for JeffGenocideX
JeffGenocideX

4853

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#2 JeffGenocideX
Member since 2004 • 4853 Posts
good post.
Avatar image for FatalDomain
FatalDomain

1783

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#3 FatalDomain
Member since 2005 • 1783 Posts
Sony has to many trends and statistics fighting against it

-The Most exspensive console has never won.

-Sony has never won a video format war.

-with the exception of the ps2 every trojan horse multimedia sytem has come in last place or flopped.
(I cite the psx and the psp).

-Sony has never launched a console against a major non sega rival.

-The trend has been that every company gets arrogant and fails in there third console cycle.
jessmo30_basic


You forgot to add the following:

No console has won three consecutive generations...!

Game On...
Avatar image for BlueBarad
BlueBarad

2218

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#4 BlueBarad
Member since 2003 • 2218 Posts
Too bad the Future does not equal the past. But you raise good points.
Avatar image for Hammerofjustice
Hammerofjustice

2685

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#5 Hammerofjustice
Member since 2006 • 2685 Posts
[QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"]Sony has to many trends and statistics fighting against it

-The Most exspensive console has never won.

-Sony has never won a video format war.

-with the exception of the ps2 every trojan horse multimedia sytem has come in last place or flopped.
(I cite the psx and the psp).

-Sony has never launched a console against a major non sega rival.

-The trend has been that every company gets arrogant and fails in there third console cycle.
FatalDomain


You forgot to add the following:

No console has won three consecutive generations...!

Game On...

Gameboy has /thread
Avatar image for Silenthps
Silenthps

7302

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#6 Silenthps
Member since 2006 • 7302 Posts
yeah cause gameboy is obviously a CONSOLE...
Avatar image for ramey70
ramey70

4002

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#7 ramey70
Member since 2006 • 4002 Posts
I see we still have more of the "sony has never won a video format war" nonsense.   However, Sony has been very successful with formats when they partner with other companies.  Good thing they've done that with Blu-ray.
Avatar image for ramey70
ramey70

4002

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#8 ramey70
Member since 2006 • 4002 Posts
The 3rd console business is sheer idiocy as well.   To define a trend you actually have several examples of supporting data.  Only nintendo has won two console generations and followed with a 3rd console.  No other company has ever done that. So to claim it's a "trend" is laughable and absurd.
Avatar image for Javy03
Javy03

6886

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#9 Javy03
Member since 2006 • 6886 Posts
Sony has to many trends and statistics fighting against it

-The Most exspensive console has never won.

-Sony has never won a  video format war.

-with the exception of the ps2 every trojan horse multimedia sytem has come in last place or flopped.
(I cite the psx and the psp).

-Sony has never launched a console against a major non sega rival.

-The trend has been that every company gets arrogant and fails in there third console cycle.
jessmo30_basic
You also forget the trends working for it like... -Its multimedia features that gave it that edge last gen. will also be a huge plus this gen as people move to HD. -Sony's system is also the only system to have a major fanbase in all the regions and sell well in every region. The PS3 still has its fanbase in all the regions by destroying one years worth of MS work in Japan within a couple weeks proves that, as well as out selling the 360 during its launch in NA. It also has HUGE preorders in Europe, breaking records even. -Blu ray is outselling HD DVDs by alot and stand alone blu ray players are getting cheaper. It also has all the movie studio support except for Universal unlike HD DVD. And Blu ray is not a Sony format, its made by the Blu-Ray Association where Sony is just a board member just like Apple Dell Hewlett-Packard Hitachi LG Mitsubishi Electric Panasonic Pioneer Philips Samsung Sharp Sony Sun Microsystems TDK Thomson Twentieth Century Fox Walt Disney Warner Bros. Sony also help with the creation of DVD as being a board member so YES Sony has won a video format war. -PSX was not widly distributed not did it really bring in new technology. RIght now HD is the way to go with HDTVs being the most popular and sought after items, HD movies will be the natural progression. -Sony still has every game that made the PS2 a must buy, most exclusive and some multiplat but they are still there. -No console has had such a large fanbase like Sony has and no console has lost most of its fanbase in one gen. Even the SNES selling 49 million and the N64 selling 40 million was not a huge loss.
Avatar image for Vampyronight
Vampyronight

3933

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#10 Vampyronight
Member since 2002 • 3933 Posts
1. PS2- $300, Xbox- $300, GCN- $200, Dreamcast- $200....care to explain how it wasn't the most expensive console last generation? 2. This relates to gaming...how? 3. The PSX also had to compete against the PS2, you know. And since people are willing to say that Gameboy is not a system, you can't use the PSP. 4. You're reaching...really. 5. While true, it's happened only once. Hardly a trend to base anything by. If after another 40 years we see the same thing happening, then I'll conceed that point. And since you bothered to come up with a non-sensical list as to why the PS3 won't win, I've decided to come up with a small list for both MS and Nintendo. Why Nintendo can't win: 1. No console maker has ever gone from winning, to losing, to winning again (see Atari) 2. No disc-based system has ever won unless the system has constant DRE, forcing you to do things like turn it upside down or send it in to the manufacturer on a large scale 3. No console that was colored white has ever one, nor has one ever one that didn't have a name that used real words. Why MS can't win: 1. No system that has repeated the previous generation's disc media has ever won. 2. If the controller has two analog sticks, they must be at an equal level- no console to include dual analog has won without this styled controller. 3. No company has ever entered the home console race, not win on their first, and then come back win in a later generation. Moral of the story? We can all create stupid lists. Now that, together, we've shown the trends going against each console, let's agree that a black hole will swallow the earth, preventing us from ever bucking these trends.
Avatar image for jessmo30_basic
jessmo30_basic

8975

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#11 jessmo30_basic
Member since 2002 • 8975 Posts
[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]1. PS2- $300, Xbox- $300, GCN- $200, Dreamcast- $200....care to explain how it wasn't the most expensive console last generation? 2. This relates to gaming...how? 3. The PSX also had to compete against the PS2, you know. And since people are willing to say that Gameboy is not a system, you can't use the PSP. 4. You're reaching...really. 5. While true, it's happened only once. Hardly a trend to base anything by. If after another 40 years we see the same thing happening, then I'll conceed that point. And since you bothered to come up with a non-sensical list as to why the PS3 won't win, I've decided to come up with a small list for both MS and Nintendo. Why Nintendo can't win: 1. No console maker has ever gone from winning, to losing, to winning again (see Atari) 2. No disc-based system has ever won unless the system has constant DRE, forcing you to do things like turn it upside down or send it in to the manufacturer on a large scale 3. No console that was colored white has ever one, nor has one ever one that didn't have a name that used real words. Why MS can't win: 1. No system that has repeated the previous generation's disc media has ever won. 2. If the controller has two analog sticks, they must be at an equal level- no console to include dual analog has won without this styled controller. 3. No company has ever entered the home console race, not win on their first, and then come back win in a later generation. Moral of the story? We can all create stupid lists. Now that, together, we've shown the trends going against each console, let's agree that a black hole will swallow the earth, preventing us from ever bucking these trends.



Your just an angry fanboy,  you have refuted none of my points X-box and ps2 launched at the same price, so you cant really compare those. but the trend is that the most powerful and exspensive ssystem usually will lose.
Avatar image for deactivated-5dd711115e664
deactivated-5dd711115e664

8956

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#12 deactivated-5dd711115e664
Member since 2005 • 8956 Posts

Sony has to many trends and statistics fighting against it

-The Most exspensive console has never won.

-Sony has never won a  video format war.

-with the exception of the ps2 every trojan horse multimedia sytem has come in last place or flopped.
(I cite the psx and the psp).

-Sony has never launched a console against a major non sega rival.

-The trend has been that every company gets arrogant and fails in there third console cycle.
jessmo30_basic

I fail to see how the last three points are trends or statistics.  Seems to me you took one previous case, assumed Sony is in the exact same situation and then called it a trend. 

While I don't disagree with what you are saying, your thread is far from scientific and, if anything, is based purely on coincidence (except the arrogance thing which I will agree with).

Avatar image for cheatymcshifty
cheatymcshifty

718

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#13 cheatymcshifty
Member since 2004 • 718 Posts
That made me laugh quite a bit vampyr.. but you forgot the easiest ones:

Why MS wont win:

They've never won before.. it's a trend...

Why Nintendo wont win:

They havent won in two generations... EVEN MORE OF A TREND THEN MS!!!!
Avatar image for deactivated-5dd711115e664
deactivated-5dd711115e664

8956

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#14 deactivated-5dd711115e664
Member since 2005 • 8956 Posts

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]1. PS2- $300, Xbox- $300, GCN- $200, Dreamcast- $200....care to explain how it wasn't the most expensive console last generation? 2. This relates to gaming...how? 3. The PSX also had to compete against the PS2, you know. And since people are willing to say that Gameboy is not a system, you can't use the PSP. 4. You're reaching...really. 5. While true, it's happened only once. Hardly a trend to base anything by. If after another 40 years we see the same thing happening, then I'll conceed that point. And since you bothered to come up with a non-sensical list as to why the PS3 won't win, I've decided to come up with a small list for both MS and Nintendo. Why Nintendo can't win: 1. No console maker has ever gone from winning, to losing, to winning again (see Atari) 2. No disc-based system has ever won unless the system has constant DRE, forcing you to do things like turn it upside down or send it in to the manufacturer on a large scale 3. No console that was colored white has ever one, nor has one ever one that didn't have a name that used real words. Why MS can't win: 1. No system that has repeated the previous generation's disc media has ever won. 2. If the controller has two analog sticks, they must be at an equal level- no console to include dual analog has won without this styled controller. 3. No company has ever entered the home console race, not win on their first, and then come back win in a later generation. Moral of the story? We can all create stupid lists. Now that, together, we've shown the trends going against each console, let's agree that a black hole will swallow the earth, preventing us from ever bucking these trends.jessmo30_basic


Your just an angry fanboy,  you have refuted none of my points X-box and ps2 launched at the same price, so you cant really compare those. but the trend is that the most powerful and exspensive ssystem usually will lose.

Actually, his points are just as valid and "logical".  Fanboys looking for excuses to say Sony will lose are grasping at any straw they can, and confusing coincidences with "cause/effect" or a "trend".  

And your defense makes no sense.  You say the most expensive console never wins and then say that the PS2 and Xbox don't count because they were the same price.  Well...both of them beat the GC and DC in sales individually.  How does that fit into your theory. 

Avatar image for bluebrad1974
bluebrad1974

5162

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#15 bluebrad1974
Member since 2005 • 5162 Posts
Also, in the past the first console to reach 10 mil units sold has won the generation.
Avatar image for jessmo30_basic
jessmo30_basic

8975

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#16 jessmo30_basic
Member since 2002 • 8975 Posts

[QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]1. PS2- $300, Xbox- $300, GCN- $200, Dreamcast- $200....care to explain how it wasn't the most expensive console last generation? 2. This relates to gaming...how? 3. The PSX also had to compete against the PS2, you know. And since people are willing to say that Gameboy is not a system, you can't use the PSP. 4. You're reaching...really. 5. While true, it's happened only once. Hardly a trend to base anything by. If after another 40 years we see the same thing happening, then I'll conceed that point. And since you bothered to come up with a non-sensical list as to why the PS3 won't win, I've decided to come up with a small list for both MS and Nintendo. Why Nintendo can't win: 1. No console maker has ever gone from winning, to losing, to winning again (see Atari) 2. No disc-based system has ever won unless the system has constant DRE, forcing you to do things like turn it upside down or send it in to the manufacturer on a large scale 3. No console that was colored white has ever one, nor has one ever one that didn't have a name that used real words. Why MS can't win: 1. No system that has repeated the previous generation's disc media has ever won. 2. If the controller has two analog sticks, they must be at an equal level- no console to include dual analog has won without this styled controller. 3. No company has ever entered the home console race, not win on their first, and then come back win in a later generation. Moral of the story? We can all create stupid lists. Now that, together, we've shown the trends going against each console, let's agree that a black hole will swallow the earth, preventing us from ever bucking these trends.ZIMdoom



Your just an angry fanboy, you have refuted none of my points X-box and ps2 launched at the same price, so you cant really compare those. but the trend is that the most powerful and exspensive ssystem usually will lose.

Actually, his points are just as valid and "logical". Fanboys looking for excuses to say Sony will lose are grasping at any straw they can, and confusing coincidences with "cause/effect" or a "trend".

And your defense makes no sense. You say the most expensive console never wins and then say that the PS2 and Xbox don't count because they were the same price. Well...both of them beat the GC and DC in sales individually. How does that fit into your theory.



So your saying that there wasnt 1 single trend in my whole thread?  atleast you could be intelletually honest and admit im onto somthing.
Avatar image for KingOfJersey
KingOfJersey

285

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#17 KingOfJersey
Member since 2007 • 285 Posts
Hey buy the way did any of you guys ever have nintendo's 32-bit system the virtual boy???? lol
Avatar image for asmallchild
asmallchild

2015

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#18 asmallchild
Member since 2007 • 2015 Posts
If we go by trends, Microsoft's IE was the dominant web browser for forever. What chance does a company like Mozilla have then? Trends are useless. Nice work, but ultimately useless in predicting the future.
Avatar image for Vampyronight
Vampyronight

3933

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#19 Vampyronight
Member since 2002 • 3933 Posts
[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"]1. PS2- $300, Xbox- $300, GCN- $200, Dreamcast- $200....care to explain how it wasn't the most expensive console last generation? 2. This relates to gaming...how? 3. The PSX also had to compete against the PS2, you know. And since people are willing to say that Gameboy is not a system, you can't use the PSP. 4. You're reaching...really. 5. While true, it's happened only once. Hardly a trend to base anything by. If after another 40 years we see the same thing happening, then I'll conceed that point. And since you bothered to come up with a non-sensical list as to why the PS3 won't win, I've decided to come up with a small list for both MS and Nintendo. Why Nintendo can't win: 1. No console maker has ever gone from winning, to losing, to winning again (see Atari) 2. No disc-based system has ever won unless the system has constant DRE, forcing you to do things like turn it upside down or send it in to the manufacturer on a large scale 3. No console that was colored white has ever one, nor has one ever one that didn't have a name that used real words. Why MS can't win: 1. No system that has repeated the previous generation's disc media has ever won. 2. If the controller has two analog sticks, they must be at an equal level- no console to include dual analog has won without this styled controller. 3. No company has ever entered the home console race, not win on their first, and then come back win in a later generation. Moral of the story? We can all create stupid lists. Now that, together, we've shown the trends going against each console, let's agree that a black hole will swallow the earth, preventing us from ever bucking these trends.jessmo30_basic



Your just an angry fanboy, you have refuted none of my points X-box and ps2 launched at the same price, so you cant really compare those. but the trend is that the most powerful and exspensive ssystem usually will lose.

Actually, his points are just as valid and "logical". Fanboys looking for excuses to say Sony will lose are grasping at any straw they can, and confusing coincidences with "cause/effect" or a "trend".

And your defense makes no sense. You say the most expensive console never wins and then say that the PS2 and Xbox don't count because they were the same price. Well...both of them beat the GC and DC in sales individually. How does that fit into your theory.



So your saying that there wasnt 1 single trend in my whole thread? atleast you could be intelletually honest and admit im onto somthing.

No there's not. In fact, one of your "points" clearly says, "well, this would be a trend except for the PS2, so we'll disregard that." Some don't even make any sense (the Sega-based one). You're the one who's grasping at straws to "prove" that Sony won't sell the most. The fact is, we're so far away from having any idea who will win that I'm not even willing to wager a guess.
Avatar image for walter09
walter09

289

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#20 walter09
Member since 2005 • 289 Posts

-The Most expensive console has never won. jessmo30_basic
PS2 was the most expensive console last generation and it won.

PS. A year later after PS2 release Xbox was put in the market with the same price tag.

Avatar image for Runningflame570
Runningflame570

10388

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#21 Runningflame570
Member since 2005 • 10388 Posts
Hey buy the way did any of you guys ever have nintendo's 32-bit system the virtual boy???? lolKingOfJersey
Yep, its currently in storage though. THAT was a flop, PSP is relatively successful.
Avatar image for Devil-Itachi
Devil-Itachi

4387

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#22 Devil-Itachi
Member since 2005 • 4387 Posts
The 3rd console business is sheer idiocy as well. To define a trend you actually have several examples of supporting data. Only nintendo has won two console generations and followed with a 3rd console. No other company has ever done that. So to claim it's a "trend" is laughable and absurd.ramey70

Atari Pong
Atari 2600
Atari 5200(Failure)