Sony haters,why do you hate Sony?

Personaly think as a company they're overated, bought a vaio laptop that blew up, tv got some nice burn in going down, and since i had used the product the warranty was invalid!!!!!!!!!, so instead bought a toshiba laptop (using it to type this) and a toshiba television, hey if toshiba ever make a console I'll be first in line, anyway got a 360 at launch yes it went rrod but MS payed for the postage and repair, 3 weeks later had the console back and no problems since then. So in my experience sony sell sub quality products at overinflated prices, someone else may have had a very good experience but for me they're a company who have a reputation they do not deserve. sonny2dap

All the arrogance and ridiculous claims are what caused the backlash against Sony. Before 2006, Sony, and the Playstation, were the "cool" brand; PS2 fans were the majority. But the hype of the PS3 is what really started it. Their humiliating E3 2006 presentation turned the Playstation brand into a joke, and suddenly, Sony wasn't so "cool" anymore. Now the cool thing was to mock them. E3 2006 + Massive hype and off-putting arrogance + $600 price-point destroyed the Playstation brand over the course of 2006. They dominated the market for 10 years, but it only took less than one for it to come crashing down. They lost their edginess, their cool factor, and many gamers turned against them - including PS2 owners, who defected over to the 360. GinoNYC

This.

Off topic- I cannot wait for Apple to hit that magical threshold where they lose their "edginess" and "indieness", and all of the "nonconformist" conformists lose interest in their aesthetically pleasing but crappy products, and the number of lameass Ipod commercials plummets.

1. They cant afford one

2. Angry to admit the system does not nearly break like thier 360 did

3. Angry they keep getting their mgs4 hopes up only to have them crash

4. Hate to admit sony is not in its first year and there are great exclusives they wish could play

5. No DUH *** comes first since sony is japan

1. They cant afford one

2. Angry to admit the system does not nearly break like thier 360 did

3. Angry they keep getting their mgs4 hopes up only to have them crash

4. Hate to admit sony is not in its first year and there are great exclusives they wish could play

5. No DUH *** comes first since sony is japan

whodey8584

1) i know i could afford one

2) its still breaks more then the wii

3) MGS4 from what i played is not better then mgs3 and bored the crap out of me

4) 3 games i want on the POS3 its not worth the price

5) and they suck in japan just like NA

Mostly because of the extreme amounts of arrongance on Sony's part prior to the launch.svetzenlether

I can only speak for myself, but wouldn't you be a little arrogant/cocky if your first two consoles did as well as the PS and PS2?

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]Mostly because of the extreme amounts of arrongance on Sony's part prior to the launch.bballm10

I can only speak for myself, but wouldn't you be a little arrogant/cocky if your first two consoles did as well as the PS and PS2?

::::walks in room:::: :| oops walked into the wrong party..... ::::walks out::::

I don't think it's hate but more of a disappointment. Here's an example of one potential reason to be disappointed:

Say you want to play Street Fighter or even LittleBigPlanet and your sibling wants to play with you. Your sibling can only sign in as a guest and they can't trophies while they're playing with you. Can anyone confirm this?

I know for sure, with the 360, you can log into more than one account and both of you can get achievements while playing together at the same time.

I don't think it's hate but more of a disappointment. Here's an example of one potential reason to be disappointed:

Say you want to play Street Fighter or even LittleBigPlanet and your sibling wants to play with you. Your sibling can only sign in as a guest and they can't trophies while they're playing with you. Can anyone confirm this?

I know for sure, with the 360, you can log into more than one account and both of you can get achievements while playing together at the same time.

one_on_one

wow now thats hard core gaming bro....what ever happened to just enjoying the game??

[QUOTE="one_on_one"]

I don't think it's hate but more of a disappointment. Here's an example of one potential reason to be disappointed:

Say you want to play Street Fighter or even LittleBigPlanet and your sibling wants to play with you. Your sibling can only sign in as a guest and they can't trophies while they're playing with you. Can anyone confirm this?

I know for sure, with the 360, you can log into more than one account and both of you can get achievements while playing together at the same time.

Nocturnal_Speed

wow now thats hard core gaming bro....what ever happened to just enjoying the game??

Sony did announce that sooner or later these trophies can unlock virtual items and such, so these trophies are part of the gaming experience. And not being able to play together and get well earned achievements in the same game is just a bummer. The competition can do it, why not Sony.

[QUOTE="Nocturnal_Speed"][QUOTE="one_on_one"]

I don't think it's hate but more of a disappointment. Here's an example of one potential reason to be disappointed:

Say you want to play Street Fighter or even LittleBigPlanet and your sibling wants to play with you. Your sibling can only sign in as a guest and they can't trophies while they're playing with you. Can anyone confirm this?

I know for sure, with the 360, you can log into more than one account and both of you can get achievements while playing together at the same time.

one_on_one

wow now thats hard core gaming bro....what ever happened to just enjoying the game??

Sony did announce that sooner or later these trophies can unlock virtual items and such, so these trophies are part of the gaming experience. And not being able to play together and get well earned achievements in the same game is just a bummer. The competition can do it, why not Sony.

aw ok, I see whatcha mean... coo

1. They cant afford one

2. Angry to admit the system does not nearly break like thier 360 did

3. Angry they keep getting their mgs4 hopes up only to have them crash

4. Hate to admit sony is not in its first year and there are great exclusives they wish could play

5. No DUH *** comes first since sony is japan

1) i know i could afford one

2) its still breaks more then the wii

3) MGS4 from what i played is not better then mgs3 and bored the crap out of me

4) 3 games i want on the POS3 its not worth the price

5) and they suck in japan just like NA

1-Delaying the good stuff.

2-Don't care about customers opinion.

3-Seems to only care about movies then gaming.

4- Japan always 1st and America sedonc(*cough psn store cough*)

Cbot

Oh you know this isn't going to end well lol

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1. They cant afford one

2. Angry to admit the system does not nearly break like thier 360 did

3. Angry they keep getting their mgs4 hopes up only to have them crash

4. Hate to admit sony is not in its first year and there are great exclusives they wish could play

5. No DUH *** comes first since sony is japan

whodey8584

1. Already have one.

2. Nope, my 360 is working just fine and RRoD-free.

3. Already have MGS4. Rather have Splinter Cell 5.

4. Again, already have one.

5. Couldn't care less about Japan. Love the food, not interested in the games.

So, why do I hate Sony? None of your pathetic excuses for reasons, that's for sure.

I hate Sony because of their arrogant attitude towards their customers. They act as though we owe them a debt of gratitude for being allowed to purchase their product ("PS3 will instill discipline"). They act like we'll believe anything they tell us ("$1200 for a PS3 on shelves in NA"). They act like they don't even have to try to hide lying to us ("What did you expect us to say - we were in a lawsuit").

I may not be willing to miss out on a good game just because it's only on PS3, but that doesn't mean I have to like the people I do business with.

I guess the thing that pissed me off was the fact the Sony promised so much and i got so little.

I was looking forward to all the announcements they had when the PS3 was nearing its release.

You know the stuff like. Characters would never fall the same way more than once. Enemies you killed would never disappear. The insane 4-D stuff.

When i learned all of that was a bunch of BS i completely lost all interest in the PS3.

I own one, and i personally don't know what is so great about them.

They have a few good games but thats about it (Uncharted being my Favorite). Online service sucks, and i prefer all multiplats for my 360.

I guess one good thing is the fact it has Blu-Ray. Dark Knight in the High-Def for the WIN!

RyanShazam

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]A quote from by blog: I dislike it just as much as cows and lemms dislike the Wii. I simply don't agree with what it stands for. First of all, consoles shouldn't be multimedia devices and Blu--ray was completely unnecessary to throw in. Let's say for some reason i did want to buy the PS3. I would have no choice but to purchase the blue-ray player which drives the price up at least a hundred dollars. It's a desperate bid by sony to get a blu-ray player (Which isn't sellling well at all) in the hands of someone who wouldn't have bought it if they had the choice. Sony seems to assume that we all have televisions huge enough for graphics like the PS3s to actualy make a difference. Secondly, could they be any less innovative? The kept the controller the same besides copying the Wiimote, which is hardly ever used. Nintendo came up with the best controls ever devised and Microsoft with the most comfortable. I mean, did they come up with any new concepts whatsoever? Sure they stuck on non-game stuff , but for the most part it was just bump up the graphics and subsequently the price. Finnaly, i dislike them for the simple fact that the video game world would be better without them. Two consoles is just fine for competition. If sony dropped out and all their games went to the 360, then self proclaimed "hardcore" would only have to get one console instead of fighting among themselves. Oh, and system wars could finnaly die. Anyways, things would be a lot simpler if it was just Microsoft and Nintendo in the race. I will now await the oncoming wave of attack from vicious cows.surrealnumber5

First of all there is nothing wrong with console being multimedia devices as well because its just more bang for your buck.second so sorry that sony gave the option for hd gaming on realse of the ps3 (how can you even complain about that. Third people really need to stop saying ps3 copied wii cause its different technology and besides the 360 controller is Microsoft's copy of the dual shock. Microsoft copied eye toy. Fourth if sony dropped out it would be a disaster because microsoft would no longer have and opponent to push them forward (the wii isn't competition) the rivalry between the ps3 and xbox360 is a great thing because it forces sony and Microsoft to come up with better ideas, products and uses for there systems for there customers because they know there not your only option.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]A quote from by blog: I dislike it just as much as cows and lemms dislike the Wii. I simply don't agree with what it stands for. First of all, consoles shouldn't be multimedia devices and Blu--ray was completely unnecessary to throw in. Let's say for some reason i did want to buy the PS3. I would have no choice but to purchase the blue-ray player which drives the price up at least a hundred dollars. It's a desperate bid by sony to get a blu-ray player (Which isn't sellling well at all) in the hands of someone who wouldn't have bought it if they had the choice. Sony seems to assume that we all have televisions huge enough for graphics like the PS3s to actualy make a difference. Secondly, could they be any less innovative? The kept the controller the same besides copying the Wiimote, which is hardly ever used. Nintendo came up with the best controls ever devised and Microsoft with the most comfortable. I mean, did they come up with any new concepts whatsoever? Sure they stuck on non-game stuff , but for the most part it was just bump up the graphics and subsequently the price. Finnaly, i dislike them for the simple fact that the video game world would be better without them. Two consoles is just fine for competition. If sony dropped out and all their games went to the 360, then self proclaimed "hardcore" would only have to get one console instead of fighting among themselves. Oh, and system wars could finnaly die. Anyways, things would be a lot simpler if it was just Microsoft and Nintendo in the race. I will now await the oncoming wave of attack from vicious cows.PrinceofSarcasm

First of all there is nothing wrong with console being multimedia devices as well because its just more bang for your buck.second so sorry that sony gave the option for hd gaming on realse of the ps3 (how can you even complain about that. Third people really need to stop saying ps3 copied wii cause its different technology and besides the 360 controller is Microsoft's copy of the dual shock. Microsoft copied eye toy. Fourth if sony dropped out it would be a disaster because microsoft would no longer have and opponent to push them forward (the wii isn't competition) the rivalry between the ps3 and xbox360 is a great thing because it forces sony and Microsoft to come up with better ideas, products and uses for there systems for there customers because they know there not your only option.

While I completely agree with you, you're better off just trolling people.

1-Delaying the good stuff.

2-Don't care about customers opinion.

3-Seems to only care about movies then gaming.

4- Japan always 1st and America sedonc(*cough psn store cough*)

Cbot

I could give you a list of at least 10 reasons why i hate Microsoft.

1 - knowingly releasing faulty hardware

2 - To this day have not fully fixed the hardware

3 - Stealing ideas from Sony and Nintendo dashboards (Menus & Mii's) and releasing a so called new xbox experience that freezes and bricks systems

4 - Charging money to play online while Sony offers the same experience for free

5 - Not including a Wi-Fi connection and then charging $100.00 to buy it separately

6 - Claiming deniability to this day that the new dashboard causes any problems when it's happened to 3 people in my little circle of life alone

7 - Not making an easily upgradeable hard drive as Sony has done

8 - Unloading some cash from their deep pockets to steal former Sony exclusives and then claiming a hit library of their own with limited 360 exclusives

9 - Not having rechargeable controllers out of the box

10 - Charging $450.00 for a 360 Elite for only a black coat of paint and larger HD, while Sony's priciest model includes the larger HD, a game, Blu-Ray disc

All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be but 360 boy's will put their 2 cents in anyway, whatever, i personally can only hope that Microsoft's next OS is as much of a failure as Vista and they die a nice slow death because of it.

Long live Mac and PS3.

1-Delaying the good stuff. Delaying I agree with, but delaying the good stuff? Home was good? Failed argument.

2-Don't care about customers opinion. Can you find an example of anytime that any gaming company did?

3-Seems to only care about movies then gaming.Isn't that better than caring about marketshare over quality?

4- Japan always 1st and America sedonc(*cough psn store cough*)Wouldn't Japan and Europe have the same feeling towards Microsoft?

Cbot

Ah...so you arrive again.

[QUOTE="Cbot"]

1-Delaying the good stuff.

2-Don't care about customers opinion.

3-Seems to only care about movies then gaming.

4- Japan always 1st and America sedonc(*cough psn store cough*)

PS3nut

I could give you a list of at least 10 reasons why i hate Microsoft.

1 - knowingly releasing faulty hardwareShouldn't have happened, but lets not pretend that Sony has a great track record here either

2 - To this day have not fully fixed the hardwareIt took four years to fix the PS1 and PS2 with the release of the slimlines, MS still has a year to match Sony's prior track record.

3 - Stealing ideas from Sony and Nintendo dashboards (Menus & Mii's) and releasing a so called new xbox experience that freezes and bricks systemsWhile they did steal mii's, they most certainly did not rip off the XMB. Take a look a Windows media center edition(released in 2002) and its interface and compare it to the NXE...if you think the XMB is so similar to NXE, then you better point the finger at Sony for ripping MS's interface off.

4 - Charging money to play online while Sony offers the same experience for freeToo bad most people don't think it's the same experience.

5 - Not including a Wi-Fi connection and then charging $100.00 to buy it separatelyThere are cheaper alternatives to the official wireless adapter, and with it being separate it can adopt new standards if and when needed.

6 - Claiming deniability to this day that the new dashboard causes any problems when it's happened to 3 people in my little circle of life aloneOf course it has...you'd have no reason to BS with a name like PS3nut now would you.

7 - Not making an easily upgradeable hard drive as Sony has doneBut this is one of the reasons the 360 can be priced so aggressively, which means more games for me to play in the long run. It's 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other IMO.

8 - Unloading some cash from their deep pockets to steal former Sony exclusives and then claiming a hit library of their own with limited 360 exclusivesCows always claim they paid to get multiplats with no proof of that, the 360 simply is more lucrative than the PS3.

9 - Not having rechargeable controllers out of the boxThe controllers are rechargeable, they don't include a rechargable battery. Once again, options and different strokes for different folks.

10 - Charging $450.00 for a 360 Elite for only a black coat of paint and larger HD, while Sony's priciest model includes the larger HD, a game, Blu-Ray disc The elite is 400 bucks, and also comes with HD cables(two different types in fact).

All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be but 360 boy's will put their 2 cents in anyway, whatever, i personally can only hope that Microsoft's next OS is as much of a failure as Vista and they die a nice slow death because of it.Even with that "failure" they still make more money than Sony does a year every quarter.

Long live Mac and PS3.

I could give you a list of at least 10 reasons why i hate Microsoft.

4 - Charging money to play online while Sony offers the same experience for free

All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be but 360 boy's will put their 2 cents in anyway, whatever, i personally can only hope that Microsoft's next OS is as much of a failure as Vista and they die a nice slow death because of it.

Long live Mac and PS3.

PS3nut

Indisputable facts my behind. Sony offers the same experience as XBL for free? All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be? Good thing BlackBond isn't a fanboy. Prove your claim or forever hold your peace and I'm telling you right now there is no way you can prove number 4.

[QUOTE="PS3nut"]

I could give you a list of at least 10 reasons why i hate Microsoft.

4 - Charging money to play online while Sony offers the same experience for free

All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be but 360 boy's will put their 2 cents in anyway, whatever, i personally can only hope that Microsoft's next OS is as much of a failure as Vista and they die a nice slow death because of it.

Long live Mac and PS3.

Blackbond

Indisputable facts my behind. Sony offers the same experience as XBL for free? All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be? Good thing BlackBond isn't a fanboy. Prove your claim or forever hold your peace and I'm telling you right now there is no way you can prove number 4.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PS3nut"]

I could give you a list of at least 10 reasons why i hate Microsoft.

4 - Charging money to play online while Sony offers the same experience for free

All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be but 360 boy's will put their 2 cents in anyway, whatever, i personally can only hope that Microsoft's next OS is as much of a failure as Vista and they die a nice slow death because of it.

Long live Mac and PS3.

PS3nut

Indisputable facts my behind. Sony offers the same experience as XBL for free? All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be? Good thing BlackBond isn't a fanboy. Prove your claim or forever hold your peace and I'm telling you right now there is no way you can prove number 4.

You mean the FREE social community of HOME where you have to PAY to start a club (free on XBL), pay for virtual clothes. And by SOCIAL community, do you mean the gangs of immature people trying to gangbang any female avatars?

Just accept that Xbox360 matches the PS3 in every area and in certain aspects exceeds it. As a loyal Sony fanboy that you are, hating MS is not going to make them fail, but instead question why Sony has not to this day blown MS out of the water, and why they are notprioritizingthe perceived weakness of the PS3 (price, no BC, price).

mostly because of blu-ray...i should burn their building down for making blu-ray movies so expensive

oh and neglecting to make the playstation 3 cheaper

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PS3nut"]

I could give you a list of at least 10 reasons why i hate Microsoft.

4 - Charging money to play online while Sony offers the same experience for free

All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be but 360 boy's will put their 2 cents in anyway, whatever, i personally can only hope that Microsoft's next OS is as much of a failure as Vista and they die a nice slow death because of it.

Long live Mac and PS3.

PS3nut

Indisputable facts my behind. Sony offers the same experience as XBL for free? All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be? Good thing BlackBond isn't a fanboy. Prove your claim or forever hold your peace and I'm telling you right now there is no way you can prove number 4.

So lets here it? Um if you think that PSN offers the same exact experience as that XBL offers then you are straight wrong period. I could get into the long intriquices on how they are both different but you know what. I'll just say one word. Halo. Sony doesn't offer that experience over PSN. The end. Your arguement is mute. None of the systems offer exactly what another has. That should have been common sense in realizing.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="PS3nut"]

I could give you a list of at least 10 reasons why i hate Microsoft.

4 - Charging money to play online while Sony offers the same experience for free

All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be but 360 boy's will put their 2 cents in anyway, whatever, i personally can only hope that Microsoft's next OS is as much of a failure as Vista and they die a nice slow death because of it.

Long live Mac and PS3.

PS3nut

Indisputable facts my behind. Sony offers the same experience as XBL for free? All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be? Good thing BlackBond isn't a fanboy. Prove your claim or forever hold your peace and I'm telling you right now there is no way you can prove number 4.

So lets here it? Um if you think that PSN offers the same exact experience as that XBL offers then you are straight wrong period. I could get into the long intriquices on how they are both different but you know what. I'll just say one word. Halo. Sony doesn't offer that experience over PSN. The end. Your arguement is mute. None of the systems offer exactly what another has. That should have been common sense in realizing.

this thread is completely childish. why are people wanting to bash sony so much? is microsoft jealous that sony was able to kick ass in their last two iterations during their respective gaming generations that you try to use this current generation as a circumvention to excuse sony being a "failure" this time?

if anybody is playing catch up, it's microsoft. ps2 and the psone are the highest sellings consoles of all time and nintendo is iconic in the video game realm and microsoft is desperately doing every move possible to live up to the legacy and caliber of both companies and their consoles. just because ps3 is in third place right now in sales (which is still a nail biter between 360 and ps3 despite the 18 month headstart), the ps3 won't be dying anytime soon. hell, you better hope not because microsoft will try to do a monopolistic non-competitious strategy similar to EA with madden and just produce lackluster quality year after year.

anyways, time to get back on topic.

let me first note a few things i like a lot about the 360 that i wish the ps3 would do.

1) the NXE's new look and display is sexy and easy to navigate through. even pressing in that little xbox emblem on your controller gives you a slight retrospective feel to the old dashboard, which works perfectly for in-game usage. prior to NXE, i thought the XMB was a lot better (i still like it because you can customise it) but the NXE is definitely something sony should try to achieve as far as accessibility and style goes.

2) second, the integrated service that connects all games with a single gamertag is pretty awesome. i can't stand having multiple ID's for metal gear solid and hopefully the ps3 can fix this up in their next console. and i'm starting to like achievement points more and more. even though i prefer sony's trophy aesthetic, it certainly doesn't have as many trophies as achievements. another plus.

3) that new feature that allows you to create games. sounds really interesting.

4) seems to support more DLC. just like what game informer said, the ps3 version got a gun shot capped to the face by having exclusive DLC for games like GTA4. i guess this is microsoft's plan to garner more 360 sales with this very slight but still exclusive feature.

now things that i like about the ps3 that the 360 should fix up on:

1) the 360 is capable of updating if they wanted to. i love how the ps3 consistenly has firmware updates that allows nice and new applications every now and then such as the adobe flash player 9 plug in. soon, there is going to be universal voice chat for every online ps3 game and japan already has a built-in youtube video recorder which records direct feed gameplay footage right from your ps3 to be uploaded, via the ps3, onto the youtube web site. this is pretty awesome.

2) fully customizabe XMB. i know you can download backgrounds and stuff for the 360, but you can actually change the icons and make user-created content for it. i love this feature because it gives you more diversity and distinguishable aspects when going from ps3 to ps3. i find it kind of monotonous to see the same interface in every 360 i go on.

3) tons of applications. skype, built-in web browser, radio, play tv; little things like this goes a long way. there's no disputing that having a multimedia device is a bonus when it comes to gaming, so having these applications are really nifty. it doesn't make sense that the 360 doesn't have a web browser; hell, even the wii has one. i bet this will be on the next xbox console.

4) home. the beta is pretty awesome people. it features proximity chat, full 1080p display, apartments with free (and paid) paraphanellia for your to customize to your desire, tons of users to meet up with and chat, fully customizable characters and trophies from games unlocks new items (definitely a feature needed in NXE), virtual movie theater to upload trailers and movies for you and your friends to see (whether it be new or something you've seen before. just like a real theater), streamlined video and audio when you set up bravia television sets or jukebox's which also have proximity sound to add that sort of level of immersion to the virtual world, has party support (you can set up your own personal clans with a stylized apartment to supplement it), cool little mini games to play with others, and just so much more. home is really awesome people. it's a lot of fun just meeting up with random people; it's literally like a second life. don't get me wrong, this service shouldn't be an outlet for no-life losers, it's just a really nice feature to meet more users and extrapolate friendship with others.

also, if you think those Miis...err i mean avatars are cool on NXE (they're not bad actually, i like to mess around witht he right stick to make them do funny gestures every now and then) then you have to try HOME's avatars. they're a million times better. and if you like to do funny things and gestures, play little big planet. that game is hilarious when you set the sackboy's emotion to angry while running around on the map.

5) my most favored feature about the ps3: it's free. yes, that 50 dollar fee is measly, but it still puts you into a mental time frame that you have to get your money's worth. i love how i can just pick up and play whatever i want on my ps3 without having to deal with memberships and all that crap. in my opinion, microsoft needs to drop the fees. the online experiences for me have been exactly the same all around the board. i've played cod4 on both consoles and they felt exactly the same except i didn't pay for anything on the ps3. other multiplat games that i have played include rainbow six vegas 1 and 2, grand theft auto 4, and many other games that i can't think of right now. trust me people, there really is no reason why there is a fee for xbox live except that microsoft is profiting off of it.

that's my answer concerning the differences with xbox live and psn. you guys can argue all you want, but i owned both consoles and they felt virtually the same. the only real difference to me between the two is the interface, set-up (such as having an universal Invite system or in-game music from your harddrive etc), and the slightly bigger amount of users on xbox live; which is hardly noticeable and greatly munisicule to the normal competent online gamer.

as far as online goes: i go for psn. psn still needs a lot of work and the 360 does a great job with their set-up; but that fee is kind of annoying to me, especially if you don't have a job and your parents are nitpicky about paying something.

for the hardware: the ps3 hands down kills the 360.

ps3's 8 core processor (6 in game cores, 1 core for the operating system, and an 8th core for yielding) compared to the 360's 3 core. 360 can only support media up to 720p (since they still use dual layer DVD's) while the ps3 goes beyond DVD9 format and goes full blu-ray which supports up to 1080p and is a huge benefactor for gaming when it comes to storage capacity and quality.

ps3's GPU RSX runs at 550Mhz with 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance combined with the unified memory of the CPU, multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines, and the ps3 produces 2 TLFOPS for total floating point performance while the 360 manages only 1 TFLOP (total system). ps3 also has a detachable 2.5" SATA harddrive which means you could fit more harddrive space and go to a site like www.newegg.com to get a cheap one to replace the retail harddrives. i could ramble on more abou the hardware, but the ps3 is better in sheer processing power and actually has a stronger graphic card.

but the number one thing that made me hate the 360 so much once i bought it was it's reliability and hardware failure rate. i bought the 360 on launch day and about two months it started messing up. at first, i figured i didn't handle it right (which i don't believe anymore) so i thought i could remedy it by fixing it myself and voiding the warranty. obviously that was a mistake because i latered figured out that the early models had an overheating issue and since i voided my warranty, that was about $400 well spent for only two months. i still loved the 36o however so i dished out more money to buy another. this time, it worked perfectly. it seemed like forever that it worked right, until about 10 months later i was getting recurring RRoD's. the first 10 didn't shut down my system, but it eventually came across the point of not displaying the video. i tried everything, like the hot towel trick and it only worked for about 2 days and the color was still really weird. eventually, the 360 just went dead.

i ended up doing some research and i found out that the 360's high failure rate has to do with the initial design process and how microsoft lazily setted up their console. here was the problem: the 360 designers already came out with a finalized version of what the 360 would look like and they already started mass producing it. but here was the problem. the heatsink (the thing that covers up your GPU from overheating and melting the components) was conflicting with the shape and contour of the 360 and the developers were already deep into production so they did a half ass job of just reducing the size of the heat sink which also increased the amount of heat the GPU chip would receive. basically this means your inner components burn out faster because the ventilation and heat sink didn't ventilate it like it's suppose to. if you ask me, this is not professional work at all and what's worse is that the customer service blames you and pentalizes you for it malfunctioning despite it being an internal developer fault. i didn't get my 3 year warranty like i was suppose to so i was forced to pay 100 bucks to fix that system so i said screw it; i'm done with the 360.

you folks may have not experienced the dreadful RROD, but i can bet you my left nut that you will come across it someday. it doesn't matter where you put, it doesn't matter how much leeway or ventilation you get it; all it does is prolong the inevitable death of your console. it sucks real bad having that RROD and that alone is a poor console because it distrupts using a console continually for fun purposes. i've have my ps3 for a while now and haven't had a single issue with it.

the ps3 has a failure rate of less than 1 percent and i can believe it. i trust sony making hardware a lot more than microsoft doing so. they should just stick to software if they're going to do half ass work like they did with the 360.

as for games: both consoles have excellent games.

i won't even list all of them for both sides because there are so much, but one thing that i hate about the 360 is how it garners up so much hype for their games (i.e.: halo and gears) and the games are nothing special at all (not to me at least) and yet still get high ratings from a lot of gaming publications.

i use to be a huge fan of halo since the first one on the original xbox, but bungie studios did an almost effortless job on making halo 3. the single player was the most boring crap i had to endure through; it was almost like homework. it was great playing co-op on legendary, but it seems to lag a lot, especially on the final mission when doing split screen with a friend and you have to do that driving crap (didn't they do this in the first game!?). it's said to see the 360 being pushed to it's limits with the graphic engine that is being used because i never thought the game looked amazing. the spartans look awesome, but the player models are hideous and sometimes the environments don't look to great. it's still a great looking game, but nothing impressive to be honest.

what makes halo so good is its robust online modes and options, but it doesn't refract from the game's redundant game formula used in past halo games. it's literally halo 2 with updated graphics, a forge mode (pretty nice), some new guns (finally they brought back the assault rifle!), those weird items you pick up like the radar jammar and crap, and modes. the game is highly overrated in my opinion and i will only play doubles or capture the flag on it now because the shooting feels so stale compared to playing games like cod4.

gears is also another game that ended up being a huge let down for me after i bought into all the hype and gameplay videos of it. maybe it was the graphics that caught me (gears 2 looks awesome btw), but the gameplay didn't fool my mind. i tried to play this game multiple times but it just wasn't fun to me. it was boring and repetitive and the story was very weak and grotesquely overused with gurly like men. the co-op is great, but i prefer army of two over it. the multiplayer was kind of lame to, but i do love the horde mode in gears 2. that alone is good enough for me, but i find it a highly overrated game that only microsoft would hype up so much because it was one of it's initial triple A titles. sony **** up that time because originally the game was going to be multiplat but sony didn't like the tech demo. microsoft lucked out on this one, but i still dislike the game.

when it comes to online gaming, i actually like resistance 2 A LOT more than halo and gears. even though gears shouldn't be compared to the likes of it, i find the 8 player co-op and 60 player online a lot more addicting. you guys can stick with the 16 player/10 player online; but those skirmishes with 60 player online is nothing else like you haven't experienced before. if you like halo, and hate resitstance, i'm going to say you're fanboy because even i admitted it was more fun. i like it better mainly because it feels slightly new and adds variety. if the game ends up being like halo and just does the same stuff over and over again; then i'm going to get tired of it too like halo. for now, i'm good.

right, now the biggest games for me on the ps3 is MGS4, little big planet, uncharted 1 and 2, resistance 1 and 2, killzone 2 (looks like the best FPS in my opinion), god of war 3, warhawk, final fantasy 13 versus (we still get versus and agito, you 360 guys only get 13 sadly), infamous, heavy rain, socom, MAG?, and other games.

360: huxley, left 4 dead (luckily i have it for PC already), mass effect (read an article that it could come to the ps3 too), fable 2 (awesome!), the crossing, halo wars (something new, finally!), ODST is suppose to be free world which sounds good, and other stuff. both consoles are great; but i got to admit that the ps3 has been more loyal to me this time around.

[QUOTE="PS3nut"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Indisputable facts my behind. Sony offers the same experience as XBL for free? All of the above are indisputable facts regardless of what a fanboy you might be? Good thing BlackBond isn't a fanboy. Prove your claim or forever hold your peace and I'm telling you right now there is no way you can prove number 4.

Blackbond

So lets here it? Um if you think that PSN offers the same exact experience as that XBL offers then you are straight wrong period. I could get into the long intriquices on how they are both different but you know what. I'll just say one word. Halo. Sony doesn't offer that experience over PSN. The end. Your arguement is mute. None of the systems offer exactly what another has. That should have been common sense in realizing.

lol funny how you don't even answer his question and redirect with something totally off-topic.
But please continue to talk about yourself in the third person, it doesn't make you sound like a pompous Internet tough guy at all lol.

They seem to only really care about blu ray to me. "Games" on their console were a second thought much like the failure that was the psp.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Yes they only care about Blu-Ray. That's why the PS3 has had a better 2008 than the Wii and the 360.
That's why so far it looks like it's going to have a better 2009 too.




"Bu bu bu they only care about the Blu-rays and not the games for me wah wah wah" lol


I guess an AAAAE, a GOTY and a better year than the competition isn't enough for you. Then again, the PS3 could have 10 AAAAEs and you would still be crying over "teh evil Blu-Ray".

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]They seem to only really care about blu ray to me. "Games" on their console were a second thought much like the failure that was the psp.RuinedMachine

Yes they only care about Blu-Ray. That's why the PS3 has had a better 2008 than the Wii and the 360.
That's why so far it looks like it's going to have a better 2009 too.




"Bu bu bu they only care about the Blu-rays and not the games for me wah wah wah" lol


I guess an AAAAE, a GOTY and a better year than the competition isn't enough for you. Then again, the PS3 could have 10 AAAAEs and you would still be crying over "teh evil Blu-Ray".