Sony have confirmed their "network pass" program.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/07/06/sony-confirms-network-pass-program-for-ps3-titles/

It's only for select games and Resistance 3 will be the first. I had a tiny interest in this game but that's all gone as I won't be able to trade it in for decent money. These companies make millions so I don't sympathize with them in the slightest when their games are sold second hand.

I can see this definitely being annoying for some, but I don't blame them TBH.

Thats what we get when idiots buy used games from Gamestop just because they think they can save $5.

Like it or not, used game sales do bite into profits made by the developer and publishers. There is really no argument against that.

When you're having to spend more and more and more on development, you want to try to keep your margins as high as possible so you can stay competitive. So what if you make 50 million, if it costs you 45 million to make the game that only gives you an extra 5 million to play around with while the competition just made an extra 30 million to play around with. Odds are their game will be better next time and your going to lose market share.

Business 101. Something we don't see to much of in SWs.

I do buy used games and I will continue to buy used games for as long as I can. I can just see the reasons behind it.

"You merely enter a [one-time] code you get with the game to get access to the full multiplayer service."

I refuse to support any product that has this.

I wouldn't have a problem with it except fot the fact that I get burned when using gamefly.

Like it or not, used game sales do bite into profits made by the developer and publishers. There is really no argument against that.

When you're having to spend more and more and more on development, you want to try to keep your margins as high as possible so you can stay competitive. So what if you make 50 million, if it costs you 45 million to make the game that only gives you an extra 5 million to play around with while the competition just made an extra 30 million to play around with. Odds are their game will be better next time and your going to lose market share.

Business 101. Something we don't see to much of in SWs.

I do buy used games and I will continue to buy used games for as long as I can. I can just see the reasons behind it.

Wasdie

If you were buying a used thats a lot cheaper than the new one for example like the used game is $40 while new is $60 then thats good because even after purchasing the friend code for $10 you still saved $10 but the problem is whn people buy used games from Gamestop/EBgames just because its $5 cheaper which happens a lot thats just too stupid.

I can see this becoming a problem. I wouldn't buy a game unless it is dirty cheap, orif I can recover some of the losses if it ends up not being good.

network passes are a sign of greed. They had seen businesses like Gamestop making money off of the used games, the publishers didn't care about until Gstop started showcasing their numbers. I don't have sympathy either. Some games I'll get new, others I'll wait until the price drops low enough to where I'll consider buying the network pass.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Like it or not, used game sales do bite into profits made by the developer and publishers. There is really no argument against that.

When you're having to spend more and more and more on development, you want to try to keep your margins as high as possible so you can stay competitive. So what if you make 50 million, if it costs you 45 million to make the game that only gives you an extra 5 million to play around with while the competition just made an extra 30 million to play around with. Odds are their game will be better next time and your going to lose market share.

Business 101. Something we don't see to much of in SWs.

I do buy used games and I will continue to buy used games for as long as I can. I can just see the reasons behind it.

Kashiwaba

If you were buying a used thats a lot cheaper than the new one for example like the used game is $40 while new is $60 then thats good because even after purchasing the friend code for $10 you still saved $10 but the problem is whn people buy used games from Gamestop/EBgames just because its $5 cheaper which happens a lot thats just too stupid.

Well that's a buyer they lost then.kuraimen

Well that's a buyer they lost then.kuraimen

just wait till the game is cheaper when its new and buy it simples.

Not really rocket science.

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Like it or not, used game sales do bite into profits made by the developer and publishers. There is really no argument against that.

When you're having to spend more and more and more on development, you want to try to keep your margins as high as possible so you can stay competitive. So what if you make 50 million, if it costs you 45 million to make the game that only gives you an extra 5 million to play around with while the competition just made an extra 30 million to play around with. Odds are their game will be better next time and your going to lose market share.

Business 101. Something we don't see to much of in SWs.

I do buy used games and I will continue to buy used games for as long as I can. I can just see the reasons behind it.

Chris_Williams

If you were buying a used thats a lot cheaper than the new one for example like the used game is $40 while new is $60 then thats good because even after purchasing the friend code for $10 you still saved $10 but the problem is whn people buy used games from Gamestop/EBgames just because its $5 cheaper which happens a lot thats just too stupid.

Yup and this online pass is for making sure that people wont buy it used just becuase its $5 chaper than the new one and so ty give their money to the people who deserv it (who made the game) not to Gamestop.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

If you were buying a used thats a lot cheaper than the new one for example like the used game is $40 while new is $60 then thats good because even after purchasing the friend code for $10 you still saved $10 but the problem is whn people buy used games from Gamestop/EBgames just because its $5 cheaper which happens a lot thats just too stupid.

Kashiwaba

Yup and this online pass is for making sure that people wont buy it used just becuase its $5 chaper than the new one and so ty give their money to the people who deserv it (who made the game) not to Gamestop.

I wouldn't have a problem with it except fot the fact that I get burned when using gamefly.

15strong

All of a sudden $60 a year isn't looking too bad.i5750at4Ghz

All of a sudden $60 a year isn't looking too bad.i5750at4Ghz

If anything used sales are free advertisement. One may buy used and another may buy new.

I agree when these companies make millions it's just annoying.SaltyMeatballs

So Sony making you pay for the games that you play online with is wrong, yet MS making you pay on top of buying the games isn't? Buying used games is more or less piracy. It robs devs of money, which is the same thing that piracy does. If you find piracy wrong and not used games then you're a hypocrite.hexashadow13

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]All of a sudden $60 a year isn't looking too bad.SaltyMeatballs

Like it or not, used game sales do bite into profits made by the developer and publishers. There is really no argument against that.

When you're having to spend more and more and more on development, you want to try to keep your margins as high as possible so you can stay competitive. So what if you make 50 million, if it costs you 45 million to make the game that only gives you an extra 5 million to play around with while the competition just made an extra 30 million to play around with. Odds are their game will be better next time and your going to lose market share.

Business 101. Something we don't see to much of in SWs.

I do buy used games and I will continue to buy used games for as long as I can. I can just see the reasons behind it.

Wasdie

Actually, with the proliferation of DLC there's a pretty compelling argument that used games can be used as loss-leaders to snare gamers that wouldn't be willing to buy a game at full price. You don't have to be a business major to see that, say, Activision is going to make more off of the sale of a used CoD title plus DLC/Elite than no sale at all. Furthermore, there's a long-term investment effect to take into account: if that used sale leads to someone getting hooked on a franchise to the point where they're pre-ordering limited editions and going to midnight launches, the short-term loss related to the used copy is pretty damn insignificant.

This is even more true for Sony, as they sell games not only to directly profit from them, but so that they can indirectly support the PS3 and its related services/products. Again, it's an issue of short-term vs long-term thinking: losing out on a sale may not be ideal, but if it leads to a stronger and more vibrant community on PSN, sales of other games, sales of peripherals like Move or 3D products, then it's a worthwhile loss to take. Even worse, a network pass limits the effectiveness of PSN's free online, arguably the PS3's top selling point over the 360.

We live in a world with a glut of affordable, accessible entertainment: the last thing you want to do is give people a reason not to buy your product.

I wouldn't have a problem with it except fot the fact that I get burned when using gamefly.

15strong

the 2 or three $10 online passes i have bought are nothing compared to what i have saved.

wow that's stupid, oh well thank god that i really don't care about online gaming

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]I agree when these companies make millions it's just annoying.LOXO7

Like it or not, used game sales do bite into profits made by the developer and publishers. There is really no argument against that.

When you're having to spend more and more and more on development, you want to try to keep your margins as high as possible so you can stay competitive. So what if you make 50 million, if it costs you 45 million to make the game that only gives you an extra 5 million to play around with while the competition just made an extra 30 million to play around with. Odds are their game will be better next time and your going to lose market share.

Business 101. Something we don't see to much of in SWs.

I do buy used games and I will continue to buy used games for as long as I can. I can just see the reasons behind it.

Wasdie

Um, the gaming industry is nowhere near suffering due to the used gaming market, or anything like that. According to this article just posted today, it's $74 Billion richer.

Link.

Just thought that I would let everyone know about it.

Justified or not, the days of PSN being totally free for new and used games alike are coming to an end. I predicted this would happen when PS+ was announced a year ago. PS+ was step 1, this is step 2. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="15strong"]

I wouldn't have a problem with it except fot the fact that I get burned when using gamefly.

Riverwolf007

the 2 or three $10 online passes i have bought are nothing compared to what i have saved.

I am not going to buy a pass for a game that I do not own and will have to return.

My problem with these passes is they are used to combat used game sales. I understand why a company might do that. But it ends up affecting me and a service I pay for and I end up renting only half of a game. If Sony and EA use gamefly as another source of profit, then I would like to be respected as a consumer. They don't have have a problem with gamefly as they are the ones deciding to offer games through that service. So why am I being affected by the online pass when I am not buying used games? If companies don't like that I rent from gamefly, then they shouldn't allow me the opportunity to play their games through gamefly.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]I agree when these companies make millions it's just annoying.SaltyMeatballs

lol I dont think he made the college comment to ridicule you but to make his point, you have to spend money to make money.

If anything used sales are free advertisement. One may buy used and another may buy new.[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]I agree when these companies make millions it's just annoying.LOXO7

Really no issues here. Never bought a used game in my life.TheMoreYouOwn

Lucky I don't buy used then, not that I'm interested in Resistance anyways. Sucks for those who trade games with friends (with some money on the side when regarding 'friends' like GameStop) and those who rent, but them's the works.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well that's a buyer they lost then.lloveLamp

Ever wondered why sales end in 0's? Why different retailers have control over the price? Why different retailers offer different deals? The games have already been sold. Not to you, but to retailers who buy in bulk. MSRP is just a suggestion. It's up to retailers to determine their cut.

Imagine you're a game retailer. Why would you buy more copies of a game when you've got used copies to sell?

I don't see why we antagonize those who trade games in the first place. Pirates are pirates; people who are unwilling to pay for products. People who trade games are those who are willing to pay. When it comes to old games, it's a little hard to buy new but these same people are those who are willing to buy a game day one if they like what they see or like what was done in a previous game should it happen to be a sequel.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]Really no issues here. Never bought a used game in my life.KC_Hokie

Well, that's why I clearly said no issues "here." And you have to be pretty oblivious to not have seen something like this coming.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]Really no issues here. Never bought a used game in my life.KC_Hokie

I'm a 360 owner first and I gotta agree these online passes need to go, as well as XBL gold. PC has it for free and it has much better media (Internet, MS office, pretty much everything I could ever use). I'm glad i am getting a PC soon as this pass crap is getting out of control.