Sony is in trouble imo

Microsoft beat them to the punch. People don't understand that ms doesnt care if they are 2nd or 3rd. They have the money to waste. This hurts sony so much more. Sony is banking on mgs and it is not nearly enough. By the time the ps3 has a decent library the new xbox will be out. Sony will be left like hillary clinton milking as much out of the ps3 as they can. They can't afford to scrap it like microsoft did tot he original xbox and beat microsoft to the punch again.

I'm not condoning microsoft either. I don't like them. But this is what they do. They are bullies in the business market. I'm not saying the sony brand is going away either and the ps3 is a bad system but this is the last gen where its going to be a close race imo. As time goes sony is going to be late to teh party. Microsoft has signed on several more developers. RE5 has a timed exclusive now because microsoft is what they are. Gradually people in japan are slowly going to have to make the move and the ps3 is going to lose more and more of a market share. The wii is the worst thing that could have happened to sony.

I think sony's hope is that they find their nitch as a high end system and keep people coming back but where are the games? Sony may become the mac to microsofts pc but it's still going to be microsoft. I'm also not saying the ps3 wont be a good system and won't find their nitch, but they are losing more and more games. Microsoft did the same thing to apple. It's bill gates business plan of world domination and it's unfair because they have the biggest wallet and can do whatever they want.

wishfull thinkingst1ka

i agree. no console is going anywhere this gen. i actually can't wait to buy a PS3. come one, economic stimulus check!

They really aren't in trouble, Sony havn't even released their other big players yet, such as LBP, GOW3, FFXIII, FF vs XIII, Motorstorm 2, Killzone 2, and Infamous, and with MGS4's shifting of 1.4mil copies, Sony aint failing anytime soon.sl4y4

That's pretty much what I was thinking.

Sounds like someone wishes they could play MGS4.beckhambender

Agreed. MGS4 envy!

The 360 was made to beat out the PS2.....which it did, but barely. The 360 wasnt made to beat out the PS3, so yes, the 360 needs to step its game up. The PS3 is going to be around for a long time and by the time the new XBOX comes out with games to play, it's be so far behind that its not never funny. Even if the new XBOX does come out, i bet you that it wont be BC. The XBOX was garbage anyway, so people could care less about those games, but the 360 is a different story. People would still play those games.

So explain to me again why Sony is in trouble????

They really aren't in trouble, Sony havn't even released their other big players yet, such as LBP, GOW3, FFXIII, FF vs XIII, Motorstorm 2, Killzone 2, and Infamous, and with MGS4's shifting of 1.4mil copies, Sony aint failing anytime soon.sl4y4

exactly.

of the really well-known franchises, only MGS is out yet. you even forgot to mention Tekken 6 there and Shin Megumi Tensei, which sells a lot in japan.

almost all Sony's "weapons" are still not out... yet, the most praised and better known franchises of the 360 are all out already...

they're going to the second "next-gen" Forza already...

I laugh when I read statments now that say "MGS4 is not enough"..........those are the same people that said MGS4 is the most overated series....it will not even come close to a million sales the first week......wont' sale consoles.........will flop hard.

Now that it's an EPIC game that is doing everything the Lems said it couldn't.......now you come back with "it's still not enough". Which btw I agree with, this is a starting point. The first step is the most important and this game basically put Sony on the right track. Now all they have to do is follow it with more games.

btw RE5 rumored timed exclusive was denied by the vice president of Capcom. I think that rumor has offically been debunked until an offical announcement. Wanna bet who put that rumor out their.....MS hoping to put doubt into gamers about the PS3 during a time Sony has one of the most successful exclusive this gen.

Also you do realize PS3's were selling for $299 at Wal-mart last week right? They SOLD OUT everywhere.......all it takes is one price cut and the sales of this console are going to explode (as well as the heads of Lems)

Sounds like someone wishes they could play MGS4.beckhambender

This is probably a little more than that. Sony is gaining ground. The question is can they gain enough ground on Microsoft to pull ahead of them before the next generation.

One thing that could help Sony in that regard is that gamers could be a little hesitant to run out and buy Microsoft's new console within the first year or so of it being released. The last two generations have shown us how many hardware failures the Xbox has within the first year or so of production.

They really aren't in trouble, Sony havn't even released their other big players yet, such as LBP, GOW3, FFXIII, FF vs XIII, Motorstorm 2, Killzone 2, and Infamous, and with MGS4's shifting of 1.4mil copies, Sony aint failing anytime soon.sl4y4

I do not think they are in touble either, but not becuase of the games you mentioned. GOW3 will not be out for another two years. Final Fantasy games probably a little earlier. The last Motorstorm was not that good of a game, AA maybe. Killzone 2 is totally unproven, also if Haze is any indication other things matter besides Graphics, and so far that is the only sure thing Killzone 2 has shown us.

MGS4 is maybe the best game ever made. On that alone you could say Sony was not going to fail.

I laugh when I read statments now that say "MGS4 is not enough"..........those are the same people that said MGS4 is the most overated series....it will not even come close to a million sales the first week......wont' sale consoles.........will flop hard.

Now that it's an EPIC game that is doing everything the Lems said it couldn't.......now you come back with "it's still not enough". Which btw I agree with, this is a starting point. The first step is the most important and this game basically put Sony on the right track. Now all they have to do is follow it with more games.

btw RE5 rumored timed exclusive was denied by the vice president of Capcom. I think that rumor has offically been debunked until an offical announcement. Wanna bet who put that rumor out their.....MS hoping to put doubt into gamers about the PS3 during a time Sony has one of the most successful exclusive this gen.

Also you do realize PS3's were selling for $299 at Wal-mart last week right? They SOLD OUT everywhere.......all it takes is one price cut and the sales of this console are going to explode (as well as the heads of Lems)

darthogre

Didn't Brute Force sell a million copies it's first day?

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

I laugh when I read statments now that say "MGS4 is not enough"..........those are the same people that said MGS4 is the most overated series....it will not even come close to a million sales the first week......wont' sale consoles.........will flop hard.

Now that it's an EPIC game that is doing everything the Lems said it couldn't.......now you come back with "it's still not enough". Which btw I agree with, this is a starting point. The first step is the most important and this game basically put Sony on the right track. Now all they have to do is follow it with more games.

btw RE5 rumored timed exclusive was denied by the vice president of Capcom. I think that rumor has offically been debunked until an offical announcement. Wanna bet who put that rumor out their.....MS hoping to put doubt into gamers about the PS3 during a time Sony has one of the most successful exclusive this gen.

Also you do realize PS3's were selling for $299 at Wal-mart last week right? They SOLD OUT everywhere.......all it takes is one price cut and the sales of this console are going to explode (as well as the heads of Lems)

dabear

Didn't Brute Force sell a million copies it's first day?

No it didn't. Stop acting like '1 million' first day is a regular thing.

[QUOTE="dabear"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

I laugh when I read statments now that say "MGS4 is not enough"..........those are the same people that said MGS4 is the most overated series....it will not even come close to a million sales the first week......wont' sale consoles.........will flop hard.

Now that it's an EPIC game that is doing everything the Lems said it couldn't.......now you come back with "it's still not enough". Which btw I agree with, this is a starting point. The first step is the most important and this game basically put Sony on the right track. Now all they have to do is follow it with more games.

btw RE5 rumored timed exclusive was denied by the vice president of Capcom. I think that rumor has offically been debunked until an offical announcement. Wanna bet who put that rumor out their.....MS hoping to put doubt into gamers about the PS3 during a time Sony has one of the most successful exclusive this gen.

Also you do realize PS3's were selling for $299 at Wal-mart last week right? They SOLD OUT everywhere.......all it takes is one price cut and the sales of this console are going to explode (as well as the heads of Lems)

thrones

Didn't Brute Force sell a million copies it's first day?

No it didn't. Stop acting like '1 million' first day is a regular thing.

Anyway... there are a lot of games that broke the million mark. Jeez, even "Enter The Matrix" did.

[QUOTE="dabear"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

I laugh when I read statments now that say "MGS4 is not enough"..........those are the same people that said MGS4 is the most overated series....it will not even come close to a million sales the first week......wont' sale consoles.........will flop hard.

Now that it's an EPIC game that is doing everything the Lems said it couldn't.......now you come back with "it's still not enough". Which btw I agree with, this is a starting point. The first step is the most important and this game basically put Sony on the right track. Now all they have to do is follow it with more games.

btw RE5 rumored timed exclusive was denied by the vice president of Capcom. I think that rumor has offically been debunked until an offical announcement. Wanna bet who put that rumor out their.....MS hoping to put doubt into gamers about the PS3 during a time Sony has one of the most successful exclusive this gen.

Also you do realize PS3's were selling for $299 at Wal-mart last week right? They SOLD OUT everywhere.......all it takes is one price cut and the sales of this console are going to explode (as well as the heads of Lems)

thrones

Didn't Brute Force sell a million copies it's first day?

No it didn't. Stop acting like '1 million' first day is a regular thing.

I love when they act as if MGS4 is nothing special XD

[QUOTE="dabear"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

I laugh when I read statments now that say "MGS4 is not enough"..........those are the same people that said MGS4 is the most overated series....it will not even come close to a million sales the first week......wont' sale consoles.........will flop hard.

Now that it's an EPIC game that is doing everything the Lems said it couldn't.......now you come back with "it's still not enough". Which btw I agree with, this is a starting point. The first step is the most important and this game basically put Sony on the right track. Now all they have to do is follow it with more games.

btw RE5 rumored timed exclusive was denied by the vice president of Capcom. I think that rumor has offically been debunked until an offical announcement. Wanna bet who put that rumor out their.....MS hoping to put doubt into gamers about the PS3 during a time Sony has one of the most successful exclusive this gen.

Also you do realize PS3's were selling for $299 at Wal-mart last week right? They SOLD OUT everywhere.......all it takes is one price cut and the sales of this console are going to explode (as well as the heads of Lems)

thrones

Didn't Brute Force sell a million copies it's first day?

No it didn't. Stop acting like '1 million' first day is a regular thing.

exactly. and one more thing:

although the PS3 is really in need for more games, it doesn't need a 'savior'. it even managed to outsell the 360 in '07...

The 360 was made to beat out the PS2.....which it did

Vectah_Sigma

what? lol

So, because it had a good first week, and Sony sold a lot of consoles that first week, MGS4 is instantly "teh savior" or the PS3?

Didn't Brute Force sell a million copies it's first day?

dabear

lol, so it selling over a million copies in a day or two doesn't mean ANYTHING?

Like I said it's a start......you just don't pack up and claim victory now. But if you want to put in those terms, YES MGS4 is the savior of PS3 right now. Without it they would go through ANOTHER year without a must own game. You have to have a must own game for your console. That's why in my eyes PS3 was a failure thsi whole time, they delayed all their big games time and time again. Finally ONE has released, so yes it's a big deal.

Let me rephrase what I said and read my last post. Sony is not going to be #1 here. They need to accept that and play microsofts game. They can spout all the hype they want and they will because thats just good business. I think sony knows this and will find their nitch. I'm not saying sony is dead, but for peopel thinking they are going to beat out microsoft are kidding themselves. Yes it will be a good system and worth owning. What I'm saying has nothing to do with that.

Microsoft beat them to the punch. People don't understand that ms doesnt care if they are 2nd or 3rd. They have the money to waste. This hurts sony so much more. Sony is banking on mgs and it is not nearly enough. By the time the ps3 has a decent library the new xbox will be out. Sony will be left like hillary clinton milking as much out of the ps3 as they can. They can't afford to scrap it like microsoft did tot he original xbox and beat microsoft to the punch again.

I'm not condoning microsoft either. I don't like them. But this is what they do. They are bullies in the business market. I'm not saying the sony brand is going away either and the ps3 is a bad system but this is the last gen where its going to be a close race imo. As time goes sony is going to be late to teh party and lose more and more developers and the gap is just going to get greater. Microsoft has signed on several more developers. RE5 has a timed exclusive now because microsoft is what they are. Gradually people in japan are slowly going to have to make the move and the ps3 is going to lose more and more of a market share. The wii is the worst thing that could have happened to sony.

I think sony's hope is that they find their nitch as a high end system and keep people coming back but where are the games? Sony may become the mac to microsofts pc but it's still going to be microsoft. I'm also not saying the ps3 wont be a good system and won't find their nitch, but they are losing more and more games. Microsoft did the same thing to apple. It's bill gates business plan of world domination and it's unfair because they have the biggest wallet and can do whatever they want.

Walker34

The problem is the buisness doesnt work that way. For one, releasing first has never helped any console win a console war, in fact its the opposite. People forget that gaming devs and console makers make the MOST money at the end of the consoles life while they lose the most money during the first few years of a consoles life. Basically if MS continues to ditch the previous gen. early and release a new console a head of the game they will be hurting thier profits. They will cut short the prime time to reap the rewards of their labor and jump quickly into another situation where they are selling their console at a loss. Not to mention the fact that devs are complaining about how expensive this gen. is for making games so MS releasing a new more expensive console will disway devs from making games for it. It will also lose alot of its fanbase.

Sony is fine. They gave up some of their gaming pie for a stranglehold on the next format which will bring them even more money. Not to mention they still have a fanbase worldwide as opposed to MS so MS doesnt stand a chance at stomping out Sony until they can get other gamers aside from NA to support it. The only console that is beating the PS3 bad is Nintendo but then again their strategy of releasing a very different very cheap console has gone well for gamers because its sealed its place as a fantastic secondary console but 3rd party devs still have little plans to invest heavily on that party.

The PS3 price hurt its growth and as it continues to drop and great games come out for it like whats planned for 08 and 09 the PS3 sales will spike up leaving the 360 third.

Sounds like someone wishes they could play MGS4.beckhambender

im a 360 fan that wants to play MGS4. it looks awesome! i just dont think it makes it worth it to buy ps3. i mean i watched the end trailor on youtube *no spoiler chill* i was not impressed. plus after having it revealed to me my desire to play the game dropped about 50 percent. is it fun when you allready know the story? maybe but i bet its a lot less.

[QUOTE="Walker34"]

Microsoft beat them to the punch. People don't understand that ms doesnt care if they are 2nd or 3rd. They have the money to waste. This hurts sony so much more. Sony is banking on mgs and it is not nearly enough. By the time the ps3 has a decent library the new xbox will be out. Sony will be left like hillary clinton milking as much out of the ps3 as they can. They can't afford to scrap it like microsoft did tot he original xbox and beat microsoft to the punch again.

I'm not condoning microsoft either. I don't like them. But this is what they do. They are bullies in the business market. I'm not saying the sony brand is going away either and the ps3 is a bad system but this is the last gen where its going to be a close race imo. As time goes sony is going to be late to teh party and lose more and more developers and the gap is just going to get greater. Microsoft has signed on several more developers. RE5 has a timed exclusive now because microsoft is what they are. Gradually people in japan are slowly going to have to make the move and the ps3 is going to lose more and more of a market share. The wii is the worst thing that could have happened to sony.

I think sony's hope is that they find their nitch as a high end system and keep people coming back but where are the games? Sony may become the mac to microsofts pc but it's still going to be microsoft. I'm also not saying the ps3 wont be a good system and won't find their nitch, but they are losing more and more games. Microsoft did the same thing to apple. It's bill gates business plan of world domination and it's unfair because they have the biggest wallet and can do whatever they want.

Javy03

The problem is the buisness doesnt work that way. For one, releasing first has never helped any console win a console war, in fact its the opposite. People forget that gaming devs and console makers make the MOST money at the end of the consoles life while they lose the most money during the first few years of a consoles life. Basically if MS continues to ditch the previous gen. early and release a new console a head of the game they will be hurting thier profits. They will cut short the prime time to reap the rewards of their labor and jump quickly into another situation where they are selling their console at a loss. Not to mention the fact that devs are complaining about how expensive this gen. is for making games so MS releasing a new more expensive console will disway devs from making games for it. It will also lose alot of its fanbase.

Sony is fine. They gave up some of their gaming pie for a stranglehold on the next format which will bring them even more money. Not to mention they still have a fanbase worldwide as opposed to MS so MS doesnt stand a chance at stomping out Sony until they can get other gamers aside from NA to support it. The only console that is beating the PS3 bad is Nintendo but then again their strategy of releasing a very different very cheap console has gone well for gamers because its sealed its place as a fantastic secondary console but 3rd party devs still have little plans to invest heavily on that party.

The PS3 price hurt its growth and as it continues to drop and great games come out for it like whats planned for 08 and 09 the PS3 sales will spike up leaving the 360 third.

one good game is not going to turn the tables. ps3 has more good games coming but nearly as many as 360 has on the way.

Let me rephrase what I said and read my last post. Sony is not going to be #1 here. They need to accept that and play microsofts game. They can spout all the hype they want and they will because thats just good business. I think sony knows this and will find their nitch. I'm not saying sony is dead, but for peopel thinking they are going to beat out microsoft are kidding themselves. Yes it will be a good system and worth owning. What I'm saying has nothing to do with that.

Walker34

You do realize MS is not even #1 right? They are already #2.....which is just amazing if you ask me with just a short period of time.

Please explain and define your version of what it would take to beat out MS for second place. For me Sony needs to sale MORE consoles than MS worldwide and consistantly beat them out with sales when multiplats come out. When they start doing both of those, I think Sony is offically beating MS.

And btw we are going to quickly be approaching that scenario.......let's have this discussion at the end of 2008. My guess is your opinion is going to change by then.

Let me rephrase what I said and read my last post. Sony is not going to be #1 here. They need to accept that and play microsofts game. They can spout all the hype they want and they will because thats just good business. I think sony knows this and will find their nitch. I'm not saying sony is dead, but for peopel thinking they are going to beat out microsoft are kidding themselves. Yes it will be a good system and worth owning. What I'm saying has nothing to do with that.

Walker34

That's pretty much the general consensus at this point. They will end in the number 2 position, but I'd hardly say they are "in trouble".

[QUOTE="Walker34"]

Let me rephrase what I said and read my last post. Sony is not going to be #1 here. They need to accept that and play microsofts game. They can spout all the hype they want and they will because thats just good business. I think sony knows this and will find their nitch. I'm not saying sony is dead, but for peopel thinking they are going to beat out microsoft are kidding themselves. Yes it will be a good system and worth owning. What I'm saying has nothing to do with that.

Floppy_Jim

That's pretty much the general consensus at this point. They will end in the number 2 position, but I'd hardly say they are "in trouble".

i doubt they pass MS anytime soon and they sure as heck are not touching nintendo. yes it has a good game but thats almost two years after the console came out! 360 has consistently delivered great entertainment and will continue. mgs4 spiked sales for 2008 but what do you think Fable2, Gears2, Star Ocean 4, RE5, Too Human etc etc are going to do? far from over.

The 360 was made to beat out the PS2.....which it did, but barely. The 360 wasnt made to beat out the PS3Vectah_Sigma

:| I think you are a little confused about where the lines on console generations are drawn. The fact that you even compared the 360 to the PS2 is rediculous. Sony dropped the ball on the release date for this generation of consoles. If all 3 had been released at the same time, the Wii would be stomping the crap out of everyone at a much grander level than it is now. I don't really care who "wins" anyway. The more options the merrier. I play whatever I like regardless of format.

Sounds like someone wishes they could play MGS4.beckhambender

Sounds like someone wishes they could play MGS4.beckhambender

Sounds like you can't think up anything to say that is an actual argument...

one good game is not going to turn the tables. ps3 has more good games but nearly as many as 360 has on the way.L1qu1dSword

yeah but 360 has released their biggest gun already. X360 has been racking up the exclusives and big games while PS3 has been delaying all theirs or losing games (like Ace Combat, Star Ocean, ect...). PS3 has still been outselling X360 this even with those facts. Essentailly selling with a lackluster exclusive lineup. X360's overall lineup does NOT match PS3's in the future......assuming those games ever come out (which I'm pretty sure in 2009 they will). It does not look good for MS, which is why when I see MS trying to get timed exclusive rights to titles like RE5 shows you they know all of this.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="Walker34"]

Let me rephrase what I said and read my last post. Sony is not going to be #1 here. They need to accept that and play microsofts game. They can spout all the hype they want and they will because thats just good business. I think sony knows this and will find their nitch. I'm not saying sony is dead, but for peopel thinking they are going to beat out microsoft are kidding themselves. Yes it will be a good system and worth owning. What I'm saying has nothing to do with that.

L1qu1dSword

That's pretty much the general consensus at this point. They will end in the number 2 position, but I'd hardly say they are "in trouble".

i doubt they pass MS anytime soon and they sure as heck are not touching nintendo. yes it has a good game but thats almost two years after the console came out! 360 has consistently delivered great entertainment and will continue. mgs4 spiked sales for 2008 but what do you think Fable2, Gears2, Star Ocean 4, RE5, Too Human etc etc are going to do? far from over.

Gears is the only safe bet in that list aside from RE5, which is multiplat. Fable was a big disappointment, Too Human has been delayed and remade like 21 times, and Star Ocean 4.... .... wait what!

Even if the new XBOX does come out, i bet you that it wont be BC. Vectah_Sigma

They already said it would be.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="Walker34"]

Let me rephrase what I said and read my last post. Sony is not going to be #1 here. They need to accept that and play microsofts game. They can spout all the hype they want and they will because thats just good business. I think sony knows this and will find their nitch. I'm not saying sony is dead, but for peopel thinking they are going to beat out microsoft are kidding themselves. Yes it will be a good system and worth owning. What I'm saying has nothing to do with that.

L1qu1dSword

That's pretty much the general consensus at this point. They will end in the number 2 position, but I'd hardly say they are "in trouble".

i doubt they pass MS anytime soon and they sure as heck are not touching nintendo. yes it has a good game but thats almost two years after the console came out! 360 has consistently delivered great entertainment and will continue. mgs4 spiked sales for 2008 but what do you think Fable2, Gears2, Star Ocean 4, RE5, Too Human etc etc are going to do? far from over.

No not anytime soon, but I think Sony will overtake MS in Q3 2009. And the PS3 also has many system sellers on the way. And unlike the 360, it actually sells in Japan which is a massive advantage. But I agree, they won't overtake Nintendo.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

one good game is not going to turn the tables. ps3 has more good games but nearly as many as 360 has on the way.darthogre

yeah but 360 has released their biggest gun already. X360 has been racking up the exclusives and big games while PS3 has been delaying all theirs or losing games (like Ace Combat, Star Ocean, ect...). PS3 has still been outselling X360 this even with those facts. Essentailly selling with a lackluster exclusive lineup. X360's overall lineup does NOT match PS3's in the future......assuming those games ever come out (which I'm pretty sure in 2009 they will). It does not look good for MS, which is why when I see MS trying to get timed exclusive rights to titles like RE5 shows you they know all of this.

exactly. and MGS, altough it always sold a lot, is not by far the better selling franchise on the PS brand.

God of War, Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo are more successful series.

Let me rephrase what I said and read my last post. Sony is not going to be #1 here. They need to accept that and play microsofts game. They can spout all the hype they want and they will because thats just good business. I think sony knows this and will find their nitch. I'm not saying sony is dead, but for peopel thinking they are going to beat out microsoft are kidding themselves. Yes it will be a good system and worth owning. What I'm saying has nothing to do with that.

Walker34

Umm I think its Nintendo who has found their nitch. Its sold the most consoles but its game quality leaves alot to be desired and solid 3rd party support doesnt look to change significantly. Its found its sweet spot which is making different games with different controls at a very cheap price. ITs not really competeing with the PS3 and 360.

The PS3 is still doing what all Sony systems have done, which is make solid games that appeal to everyone with alot of variety.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Walker34"]

Microsoft beat them to the punch. People don't understand that ms doesnt care if they are 2nd or 3rd. They have the money to waste. This hurts sony so much more. Sony is banking on mgs and it is not nearly enough. By the time the ps3 has a decent library the new xbox will be out. Sony will be left like hillary clinton milking as much out of the ps3 as they can. They can't afford to scrap it like microsoft did tot he original xbox and beat microsoft to the punch again.

I'm not condoning microsoft either. I don't like them. But this is what they do. They are bullies in the business market. I'm not saying the sony brand is going away either and the ps3 is a bad system but this is the last gen where its going to be a close race imo. As time goes sony is going to be late to teh party and lose more and more developers and the gap is just going to get greater. Microsoft has signed on several more developers. RE5 has a timed exclusive now because microsoft is what they are. Gradually people in japan are slowly going to have to make the move and the ps3 is going to lose more and more of a market share. The wii is the worst thing that could have happened to sony.

I think sony's hope is that they find their nitch as a high end system and keep people coming back but where are the games? Sony may become the mac to microsofts pc but it's still going to be microsoft. I'm also not saying the ps3 wont be a good system and won't find their nitch, but they are losing more and more games. Microsoft did the same thing to apple. It's bill gates business plan of world domination and it's unfair because they have the biggest wallet and can do whatever they want.

L1qu1dSword

The problem is the buisness doesnt work that way. For one, releasing first has never helped any console win a console war, in fact its the opposite. People forget that gaming devs and console makers make the MOST money at the end of the consoles life while they lose the most money during the first few years of a consoles life. Basically if MS continues to ditch the previous gen. early and release a new console a head of the game they will be hurting thier profits. They will cut short the prime time to reap the rewards of their labor and jump quickly into another situation where they are selling their console at a loss. Not to mention the fact that devs are complaining about how expensive this gen. is for making games so MS releasing a new more expensive console will disway devs from making games for it. It will also lose alot of its fanbase.

Sony is fine. They gave up some of their gaming pie for a stranglehold on the next format which will bring them even more money. Not to mention they still have a fanbase worldwide as opposed to MS so MS doesnt stand a chance at stomping out Sony until they can get other gamers aside from NA to support it. The only console that is beating the PS3 bad is Nintendo but then again their strategy of releasing a very different very cheap console has gone well for gamers because its sealed its place as a fantastic secondary console but 3rd party devs still have little plans to invest heavily on that party.

The PS3 price hurt its growth and as it continues to drop and great games come out for it like whats planned for 08 and 09 the PS3 sales will spike up leaving the 360 third.

one good game is not going to turn the tables. ps3 has more good games coming but nearly as many as 360 has on the way.

It has more then one good game and its variety and worldwide appeal is its strong point. What amazing 360 game is coming to purpell it foward, GEOW 2, or Fable 2? GEOW 1 amassed its fanbase, GEOW 2 isnt gonna bring anyone new to the 360 and Fable was far from a power player for MS.

During the 360s best year in 07 with the Halo release the PS3 outsold it. Thats when most of the year it was 600 dollars, had alot fewer solid games and was only out in Europe for a short period. Now its outselling the 360 everywhere. The tables have been turned since launch, the bigger picture is just becoming more visible.

PS. And didnt you lose a bet about MGS4 where if it got a 10 you wouldnt post on SW? I saw it on someones sig.

The 360 was made to beat out the PS2.....which it did, but barely. The 360 wasnt made to beat out the PS3, so yes, the 360 needs to step its game up.

Vectah_Sigma

Did you just make this up or do you have a link where MS actually says that?

Sony is not only a game company.. they make TVs and other stuffs too.. and their Products is made of win Bloodseeker23

Exactly.

This gen I think that MS made the best software and something easy for devs to use. Sony (as usual) strives to make the best hardware in the market. sony is not in trouble, the ps3 is doint well and can only do better, and all there other products are reat and sell well.

Cows are on top of the world because they have one good game now and they managed to sell well for ONE WEEK in japan

The reality is that their library of exclusives (or should I say exclusive :lol: ) still sucks and their console is still in third place world wide. Their games are getting delayed on a weekly basis and future games continue to get cancelled

The reality is that their library of exclusives (or should I say exclusive :lol: )

vicmackey39

Anyone else with an exclusive scoring that high?

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Yeah I thought so.

The TC has some good points, and it looks like 90% of the people posted without even reading the OP.

"LOLZL MGS4 IS A 10" "PS3 HAS SALEZ RIGHT NOW"