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#51 kaealy
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[QUOTE="kaealy"]

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"] yes it isBibiMaghoo

How so? There is a PC version of the game and the game itself was published by Square in the USA and Japan.

FF7 was published by Sony. They hold the rights to it.

Eidos purchased the PC rights directly from Square, so that means the PC rights were never sold to Sony, the console ones were.

Source that Sony published all versions of the game? According to wikipedia did square infact publish the japanese and the international version.

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#52 BibiMaghoo
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[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]

[QUOTE="kaealy"]

How so? There is a PC version of the game and the game itself was published by Square in the USA and Japan.

kaealy

FF7 was published by Sony. They hold the rights to it.

Eidos purchased the PC rights directly from Square, so that means the PC rights were never sold to Sony, the console ones were.

Source that Sony published all versions of the game? According to wikipedia did square infact publish the japanese and the international version.

Wikipedia doesnt say that, at least, not the page Im looking at. In fact, the very first paragraph clearly states it was published by Sony.

What Wiki page are you looking at?

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#53 Demonjoe93
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[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

:P

DJ_Headshot

Well at least they're trying lol

But going on naughty dogs history its not likely we will see a new uncharted game on the ps4 they put out 3 games in a franchise + a racer spinoff each gen.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/7/79375/1872513-uncharted_racing.jpg

Unkarted FTW

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#54 eboyishere
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It's all in the marketing. Look at the MW2 marketing, they made it look like the biggest game of all time. It's all smoke and mirrors. Dont get how people still dont realize it in 2012
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#55 Zaibach
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It's all in the marketing. Look at the MW2 marketing, they made it look like the biggest game of all time. It's all smoke and mirrors. Dont get how people still dont realize it in 2012eboyishere
or kinect....what? you know I'm right :P

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#56 HarlockJC
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:P

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You would think so, but he not even in the new taco bell add for the VITA,

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#57 GunSmith1_basic
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]

Anything is marketable if enough money is thrown at doing so. This is proven every single year Ive been alive, by adverts selling things to people they dont really want or need.

As an example, Apple have the best marketing in the world, and manage to sell what is essentially the same product with minor improvements, in the millions to people that already own them.

In Sony's case, they dont do marketing very well. They need to improve their marketing, and in doing so would improve sales.

The very best marketing I have seen this gen was by Nintendo. Not long after the Wii released, they understocked a large part of the UK and other countries, delibertaly. The result was massive hype for the Wii by everyone non gamer, as all the tabloids were reporting how difficult they were to get for Christmas, but everyone wanted one. Online prices sky rocketed, and every store sold out, just because 'they were so hard to find'.

Of course, Nintendo ensured stores had just enough consoles, but never an abundance. It was genius.....

I would like to see an IP from Sony that consoles lack. Namley, a good RTS. Sony could do this, and either have move support or release the game with a mouse peripheral, rather than maiming it by forcing pad use. I think they could do well with that, no other console has managed a good RTS.

BibiMaghoo

i don't believe this at all. There is always something 'right' about those products, something that somehow defies classification of the time. Just like MarioKart, where the game is lacking by many gameplay standards and yet everyone seems to have a blast with the local multiplayer, ingenious in certain ways really (and btw Nintendo hardly markets Mariokart compared to the marketing other big name series get).I dont get what you are saying with this, or how it was relevant to my post?

You really think that Apple products are only successful because marketers tell them to like it?

No, I never said that. However, it is a large contributing factor, weather you agree or not. They have wonderfull marketing, and release minor upgrades of products so frequently its laughable. They sell in the millions. It isnt because the majority of people want those minor upgrades lol, for some it is though granted.

You really think that the only reason the wii was a success was because they artificially limited supply? (and yet the wii was the fastest selling console of all time)

No, again I never said that. Also again lol, it was a large contributing factor to its success in my country at the time.

You have made alot of assumptions in your post, taking a very different meaning from what I posted. I suggest you read it again. I never said 'only reason' with either point. That would be stupid. They were simply factors that added to the success of both examples.

I'm aware that you probably don't believe marketing is everything but I think that marketing is an overrated art to begin with. Sony isn't having problems because of poor marketing. They are making bad product decisions. They are just literally copying what is already there and their original content is very polished but otherwise underwhelming, my guess being that it just isn't fresh. Someone here mentioned how Killzone should have been more popular, up to the standards of Call of Duty or whatever, and I completely disagree. The Killzone series is just underwhelming (I did play through some of Killzone 2 and most of Killzone 3).

Marketing is virtually insignificant. It is required to get your name out but it can't make an inferior product successful. The wii was successful because it was so fresh. It was the easiest thing in the world to market. The buzz around the wii was that they were impossible to find, which was not some perception created by nintendo AT ALL. It was created by actual supply shortages caused by it being the fastest selling console of all time. Same thing for Apple products. Marketing was easy because the product is desirable.

If Sony thinks that changing their marketing strategy will solve their problems, they will be signing their death certificate. What they need to do is make products people want at a price they can afford.

I don't know what assumptions you think I'm making. It's all there in your post.

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#58 heretrix
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Sony simply lacks a marketable franchise. I've been thinking about this when I work my crappy retail job. My store sales Mario, Pokemon, Sonic and Angery Birds merchandise. I have seen Halo, Gears, Call of Duty merchandise sold at other stores. But for the life of me I can't recall a Sony franchise that really was marketable in that kind of way. Now I'm sure there is probably some Uncharted or maybe some God of War stuff floating around, but it isn't anywhere near as popular as those other franchises.

When you look at the many franchises Sony owns I can't find something as big as Halo or Pokemon let alone Mario or Zelda. Now that is not to say they have bad franchises because many are really good but I think Sony have done a poor job of creating franchises that bring the consumers around in a real way. Now this isn't a Sony bashing post, just an observation I have made, maybe I'm wrong.

marq4porsche

Gran Turismo is one of the biggest franchises in gaming. :|

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#59 eboyishere
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]It's all in the marketing. Look at the MW2 marketing, they made it look like the biggest game of all time. It's all smoke and mirrors. Dont get how people still dont realize it in 2012Zaibach

or kinect....what? you know I'm right :P

That too :P

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#60 LazySloth718
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It's because they don't have the budget to do proper marketing.

They spend all their loot on making new first-party titles because they lost third-party support, because their hardware is too expensive to develop for.

Basically all of their problems stem from "too hard to code" issue.

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#61 mems_1224
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i think they've been trying to create one since the PS1 days. sony has always had good games and characters but nothing on the level of mario or master chief.
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#62 VanDammFan
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[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

I guess when I typed it..:roll:

waltefmoney

You write things and they come true? Are you a god?

Well since I dont believe in "god"...Im not sure? I do know that SONY does have a MG game that no other platforms have? Unless im wrong again?

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#63 marq4porsche
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

I guess when I typed it..:roll:

VanDammFan

You write things and they come true? Are you a god?

Well since I dont believe in "god"...Im not sure? I do know that SONY does have a MG game that no other platforms have? Unless im wrong again?

You're wrong because Konami makes Metal Gear, Sony has got little to do with that.

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#64 worlock77
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Frankly I'm glad Sony doesn't market its franchises then way Nintendo does with Pokemon (which demands constant commerce).

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#65 VanDammFan
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[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

You write things and they come true? Are you a god?

marq4porsche

Well since I dont believe in "god"...Im not sure? I do know that SONY does have a MG game that no other platforms have? Unless im wrong again?

You're wrong because Konami makes Metal Gear, Sony has got little to do with that.

eh, its sunday..im feeling good about myself..relaxing..thinking about how awesome I really am...SO IM gonna still go with what I said..now..back to being just plain ole awesome me..carry on boys..carry on..:D

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#66 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="marq4porsche"] Even then, FF7 isn't Sony's.

kaealy

yes it is

How so? There is a PC version of the game and the game itself was published by Square in the USA and Japan.

that just means that theres a port of it on the PC. Sony owns the rights to FF7 though. i believe its the only FF game that they do own the rights to.

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#67 rasengan2552
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sony doesn't rely on one mascot or franchise like the others do.

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#68 slvrraven9
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sony doesn't rely on one mascot or franchise like the others do.

rasengan2552

neither does ninty. they have multiple.......

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i think they've been trying to create one since the PS1 days. sony has always had good games and characters but nothing on the level of mario or master chief.mems_1224

LBP?

Sackboy's a good mascot, appeals to children and he's a pretty interchangable guy aswell.If sony knew their stuff they would be using him at the forefront of marketing more often.

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#70 VanDammFan
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]i think they've been trying to create one since the PS1 days. sony has always had good games and characters but nothing on the level of mario or master chief.razgriz_101

LBP?

Sackboy's a good mascot, appeals to children and he's a pretty interchangable guy aswell.If sony knew their stuff they would be using him at the forefront of marketing more often.

100XXXX this..

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#71 DethSkematik
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That is true, but I don't think it really matters. I mean, Sony is a brand name as a whole in electronics, not just videogames.
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#72 Tikeio
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LOL @ the Sony drones in here. :lol:

This gen....

Sony = GT/Uncharted/LBP/GOW

MS = Halo/Gears/Forza/Fable

Nintendo = Mario/Zelda/DK/SSB/Mario Kart

All three companies have heavy hitters + the occasional irrelevant exclusives.

Sony exclusives from this gen, like Infamous, Resistance, R&C, Motorstorm, Heavy Rain, MAG, Heavenly Sword, SOCOM, Killzone and Lair aren't and will NEVER be heavy hitters.

Struggling to sell a little more than 1.8 million copies in multiple years is pathetic. But let Nintendo drop a "new" New Super Mario Bros. game, and watch it sell 10+ million copies.

Sony needs to hype their games to hell and back, like they did with GT5. That game has sold like, what? Over 7 million copies from the time it was released in December '10?

Yeah, Sony needs to do more of that. Or just make better/appealing exclusives.

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#73 ispeakfact
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Nah. They actually have more marketable, and marketed franchises than any other gaming line.
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#74 klusps
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I think most of their new IPs just need time to develop.

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#75 PsychoLemons
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While I wouldn't say marketable but I'd say that Gran Turismo series comes close.

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#76 HarlockJC
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]i think they've been trying to create one since the PS1 days. sony has always had good games and characters but nothing on the level of mario or master chief.razgriz_101

LBP?

Sackboy's a good mascot, appeals to children and he's a pretty interchangable guy aswell.If sony knew their stuff they would be using him at the forefront of marketing more often.

Which is why you would think there would be more toys based on him. Heck even Vita Pinata had a cartoon. I know there some, but I am talking about you can go to walmart and pick them up.
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#77 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]i think they've been trying to create one since the PS1 days. sony has always had good games and characters but nothing on the level of mario or master chief.HarlockJC

LBP?

Sackboy's a good mascot, appeals to children and he's a pretty interchangable guy aswell.If sony knew their stuff they would be using him at the forefront of marketing more often.

Which is why you would think there would be more toys based on him. Heck even Vita Pinata had a cartoon. I know there some, but I am talking about you can go to walmart and pick them up.

Even Parappa the rappa had a cartoon..

A franchise i would love to see back aswell if they got Nana-on-sha on it.

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#78 kaealy
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[QUOTE="kaealy"]

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]

FF7 was published by Sony. They hold the rights to it.

Eidos purchased the PC rights directly from Square, so that means the PC rights were never sold to Sony, the console ones were.

BibiMaghoo

Source that Sony published all versions of the game? According to wikipedia did square infact publish the japanese and the international version.

Wikipedia doesnt say that, at least, not the page Im looking at. In fact, the very first paragraph clearly states it was published by Sony.

What Wiki page are you looking at?

Publisher(s)

Square

  • PlayStation
    • JP Square
    • NA SCEA
    • PAL SCEE
    • INT Square
    Windows
    Eidos Interactive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII

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#79 BibiMaghoo
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[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]

[QUOTE="kaealy"]

Source that Sony published all versions of the game? According to wikipedia did square infact publish the japanese and the international version.

kaealy

Wikipedia doesnt say that, at least, not the page Im looking at. In fact, the very first paragraph clearly states it was published by Sony.

What Wiki page are you looking at?

Publisher(s)

Square

  • PlayStation
    • JP Square
    • NA SCEA
    • PAL SCEE
    • INT Square
    Windows
    Eidos Interactive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII

''Final Fantasy VII (ファイナルファンタジーVII, Fainaru Fantajī Sebun?) is a role-playing video game developed by Square (now Square Enix) and published by Sony Computer Entertainment as the seventh installment in the Final Fantasy series''

First sentence on the page you linked. No where does that article state it was published by anyone other than Sony. It doesnt mention international versions, ect?

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#81 HarlockJC
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''Final Fantasy VII (ファイナルファンタジーVII, Fainaru Fantajī Sebun?) is a role-playing video game developed by Square (now Square Enix) and published by Sony Computer Entertainment as the seventh installment in the Final Fantasy series''

First sentence on the page you linked. No where does that article state it was published by anyone other than Sony. It doesnt mention international versions, ect?

BibiMaghoo

The fact they published it really does not mean they own any rights to the game.

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#82 SecretPolice
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It isn't as though they haven't tried really hard but yeah, nothing really has the popularity and renown of a Halo or Mario.

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#83 BibiMaghoo
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[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]

''Final Fantasy VII (ファイナルファンタジーVII, Fainaru Fantajī Sebun?) is a role-playing video game developed by Square (now Square Enix) and published by Sony Computer Entertainment as the seventh installment in the Final Fantasy series''

First sentence on the page you linked. No where does that article state it was published by anyone other than Sony. It doesnt mention international versions, ect?

HarlockJC

The fact they published it really does not mean they own any rights to the game.

I know that, but I am being told that article states it was published by Square, when it does not. It clearly states it was published by Sony.

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#84 peterw007
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]

''Final Fantasy VII (ファイナルファンタジーVII, Fainaru Fantajī Sebun?) is a role-playing video game developed by Square (now Square Enix) and published by Sony Computer Entertainment as the seventh installment in the Final Fantasy series''

First sentence on the page you linked. No where does that article state it was published by anyone other than Sony. It doesnt mention international versions, ect?

BibiMaghoo

The fact they published it really does not mean they own any rights to the game.

I know that, but I am being told that article states it was published by Square, when it does not. It clearly states it was published by Sony.

From GameFaqs (more reliable than Wikipedia):

-

PS1 release (publishers):

Final Fantasy VIISquareSoftSLPS-00700~201/31/97JP

Final Fantasy VIISCEASCUS-94163~509/03/97UST

Final Fantasy VII (Rerelease)SCEASCUS-94163~509/20/97UST

Final Fantasy VII InternationalSquareSoftSLPS-01057~6010/02/97JP

Final Fantasy VIISCEESCES-00867/10867/2086711/17/97EU

Final Fantasy VII (Platinum)SCEESCES-00867/10867/208671998EU

Final Fantasy VII (Greatest Hits)SCEASCUS-94163~5GH03/27/00UST

Final Fantasy VII International (PSOne Books)SquareSoftSLPS-91440~312/20/01JP

Final Fantasy VII International (Ultimate Hits)Square EnixSLPM-87380~307/20/06JPB

Final Fantasy VII International (PSOne Classics)Square Enix04/10/09JPB

Final Fantasy VII (PSOne Classics)Square Enix06/02/09UST

Final Fantasy VII (PSOne Classics)Square Enix06/04/09EU12+

Final Fantasy VII (PSOne Classics)SCEI02/22/11KO

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PC release (publishers):

Final Fantasy VIIEidos Interactive05/31/98UST

Final Fantasy VII (Eidos Platinum Collection)Eidos Interactive06/25/98US

Final Fantasy VIIEidos InteractiveQ4 1998EU

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#85 razgriz_101
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It isn't as though they haven't tried really hard but yeah, nothing really has the popularity and renown of a Halo or Mario.

SecretPolice

Gran Turismo has a lot of popularity, problem is theres no core character.

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#86 BibiMaghoo
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@peterw007 Thanks for the list, but that cant be counted on either. It has the PSone classic as published by SE, but I own it, and it says published by Sony :(
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#87 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

It isn't as though they haven't tried really hard but yeah, nothing really has the popularity and renown of a Halo or Mario.

razgriz_101

Gran Turismo has a lot of popularity, problem is theres no core character.

Agreed and GT5 not being available in the PS3's first or at least 2nd year on the market was a blunder of the highest order. :?

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#88 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

It isn't as though they haven't tried really hard but yeah, nothing really has the popularity and renown of a Halo or Mario.

SecretPolice

Gran Turismo has a lot of popularity, problem is theres no core character.

Agreed and GT5 not being available in the PS3's first or at least 2nd year on the market was a blunder of the highest order. :?

Was a blunder and Sony need to boot Poly's arse for prolonged dev cycles.

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#89 peterw007
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@peterw007 Thanks for the list, but that cant be counted on either. It has the PSone classic as published by SE, but I own it, and it says published by Sony :(BibiMaghoo

That list is correct. Maybe the information that you're looking at is the original publisher of Final Fantasy VII in the U.S.

Square Enix definitely programmed, ported, optimized, and released the PSOne Classic on the PlayStation Network, not SCEA.

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#90 AcidSoldner
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I don't think it's so much as they lack a marketable franchise, it's just that Sony can't market for sh!t.
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#91 Heil68
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It has so many, I've lost track. I buy all their exclusives and enjoy them tremendously.
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#92 RageQuit4Life
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To be honest, I haven't seen many Playstation advertisements since Uncharted 2. Probably one of reason why its hurted Sony's market.

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#94 Shinobi120
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Well changing focus every gen doesn't help. They just need to settle down and use the franchises they have. Nintendo let their consumers grow up playing their games, guess what parents who grew up playing nintendo games are gonna buy their kids now? Nintendo games. Sony doesn't have that brand recognition built up.marq4porsche

I agree. Every gen, they just keep on changing mascots & changing focus.

FF7 was published by Sony. They hold the rights to it.

Eidos purchased the PC rights directly from Square, so that means the PC rights were never sold to Sony, the console ones were.BibiMaghoo

If that's the case, all Square would have to do is just take the PC version of FFVII & use that to remake/remaster the game by changing stuff around, etc., instead of using the PS1 version if they want to port this game again in the near future on other consoles/handhelds besides Sony's. Problem solved.

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#95 FireEmblem_Man
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It has so many, I've lost track. I buy all their exclusives and enjoy them tremendously. Heil68

First you were a sheep, then a lemming, now you're a cow? I can't keep up with you :(

Anyway, if Naughty Dog would have kept Crash then he would have been Sony's primary mascot.... I miss the good quality Crash games :(

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#96 kaealy
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[QUOTE="kaealy"]

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]

Wikipedia doesnt say that, at least, not the page Im looking at. In fact, the very first paragraph clearly states it was published by Sony.

What Wiki page are you looking at?

BibiMaghoo

Publisher(s)

Square

  • PlayStation
    • JP Square
    • NA SCEA
    • PAL SCEE
    • INT Square
    Windows
    Eidos Interactive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII

''Final Fantasy VII (ファイナルファンタジーVII, Fainaru Fantajī Sebun?) is a role-playing video game developed by Square (now Square Enix) and published by Sony Computer Entertainment as the seventh installment in the Final Fantasy series''

First sentence on the page you linked. No where does that article state it was published by anyone other than Sony. It doesnt mention international versions, ect?

At the right side, press "show" at the publisher(s) part. And the Gamefaq site supports what I said, why are you still in denial?

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#97 JLF1MarkII
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Sony does not lack marketable franchises, they lack good marketing. Games like LBP, Killzone, Uncharted, Motorstorm and even Infamous are just as easy to market as Gears, Forza, Halo and Fable. The problem is that they do a poor job doing it.

When a major 360 game are releasing you will know it in one way or another. A PS3 game? not so much. Sony has this idea that the games will market themselves which has worked for Uncharted this gen but not much else.

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#98 ShadowMoses900
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Just because PS3 exclusives don't sell to the level of Halo in one day (no other Xbox exclusive does that either) doesn't mean the games arn't marketable. They keep making them so obviously people keep buying them, so it's defiantely getting them profit. And seriously, Uncharted is a really popular game and I see a cardboard cutout of Drake in stores all the time, so you don't know what your talking about.

Just because agame doesn't break bank in one day like COD doesn't mean the game isn't popular or isn't marketable. Alot of PS3 exclusives get in Greatest Hits, to do that the game has to get generally high reviews AND good sales.

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#99 glimpus
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Not true, Indiana Jones is quite popular.

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#100 marq4porsche
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Just because PS3 exclusives don't sell to the level of Halo in one day (no other Xbox exclusive does that either) doesn't mean the games arn't marketable. They keep making them so obviously people keep buying them, so it's defiantely getting them profit. And seriously, Uncharted is a really popular game and I see a cardboard cutout of Drake in stores all the time, so you don't know what your talking about.

Just because agame doesn't break bank in one day like COD doesn't mean the game isn't popular or isn't marketable. Alot of PS3 exclusives get in Greatest Hits, to do that the game has to get generally high reviews AND good sales.

ShadowMoses900

Yes Uncharted is popular but I don't just mean cutouts in gaming specific stores like Gamestop. I mean action figures and toys and tshirts and being in the public eye moreso than just being a game. With Halo you can go to Target and get tons of action figures or Master Chief mask toys. There are countless Mario Kart and Pokemon toys and shirts. But with Uncharted there isn't anything. So I do know what I am talking about.