Sony losing money on PS3 is not the same as MS losing money on xbox.

Windows is actually on most computers Sony sells. Thank you Sony for helping MS stay in business...

AlphaGamer469

It's not like the companies hate each other. It just looks that way because of SW.

[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

Windows is actually on most computers Sony sells. Thank you Sony for helping MS stay in business...

the-very-best

It's not like the companies hate each other. It just looks that way because of SW.

Yep, a companies main objective is to make money and they will do business with any company that benefits them financially.

Sony is losing money because they use quality parts, where as Microsoft is losing money because of their disregard for making a quality product.

ooohhh...... and here I was thinking you were gonna spit some truth about how Microsoft was new to the console game and basically spent there way in to the fight and the money they spent isn't the same type of losses as Sony with a 100 million plus user base eating dirt so incredibly bad this generation makes their losses look unbelievably bad.

thats my run-on sentance and Im sticking to it....

the same way that 360 gains market share to "cancel out" the losses

PS3 helped alot in all the money sony makes or will make in the future from blue ray but that is not reflected in the financials for PS3.But MS doesnt get any other benefit from xbox.

The xbox and xbox 360 has been a total disaster for MS but the PS3 isnt exactly as big a business failure as you may like to think.;)

Spybot_9

Face it, the cows got duped into buying a nexgen DVD player at the sacrifice of numerous high quality games not being brought to the system combined with severe programming complexity to ensure it.

PS3 helped alot in all the money sony makes or will make in the future from blue ray but that is not reflected in the financials for PS3.But MS doesnt get any other benefit from xbox.

The xbox and xbox 360 has been a total disaster for MS but the PS3 isnt exactly as big a business failure as you may like to think.;)

Spybot_9

MS is looking towards the future.....they want to be the center of the entertainment center. That means everything from buying on the internet to downloading movies. There is a reason to their maddness and that's why XBL has been their top priority for the past 8 years. Refining it making it the most dominate. That's what they are banking on IMO.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

PS3 helped alot in all the money sony makes or will make in the future from blue ray but that is not reflected in the financials for PS3.But MS doesnt get any other benefit from xbox.

The xbox and xbox 360 has been a total disaster for MS but the PS3 isnt exactly as big a business failure as you may like to think.;)

Spybot_9

I guess you missed the articles where Microsoft gaming Division is in black for the past couple of quarters. They took a huge hit in one quarter but that doesn't effect the rest of its profits from the following quarters. It is were a total disaster we would see red quarters all the time for MS but we aren't.

RROD is something which has it's roots from the moment development of the 360 started till this day.It's not a one-off event that MS jusat charged for one quarter.When the xbox devision breaks even in the next 10 years then wake me up.Oh ya in case you dont understand they will have to make profits of around $8 billion to break even.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

PS3 helped alot in all the money sony makes or will make in the future from blue ray but that is not reflected in the financials for PS3.But MS doesnt get any other benefit from xbox.

The xbox and xbox 360 has been a total disaster for MS but the PS3 isnt exactly as big a business failure as you may like to think.;)

Spybot_9

I guess you missed the articles where Microsoft gaming Division is in black for the past couple of quarters. They took a huge hit in one quarter but that doesn't effect the rest of its profits from the following quarters. It is were a total disaster we would see red quarters all the time for MS but we aren't.

huh...what? im taking my accountancy major/bachelor (dont know the name in english language) and you got it the other way around, setting up a provision was exactly the right thing to do, next time before saying that its for people "who have no idea about accounting and business" do some research

Losing money is harder on Sony becuase they're so much smaller than MS.

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Losing money is harder on Sony becuase they're so much smaller than MS.

gensigns

huh... both companys are big enough to the point that loosing this kind of money is equally hard on both stop making excuses

Atleast somebody knows how to discuss financials and not fall for the deceptive reports that MS gives and some people are actually believing that the 360 is profiting.:lol:Spybot_9

lol? you really have no idea on how a company runs do you? microsoft is proffiting, it is very far from paying its debts from the previous xbox and the previous red quarters on the 360, but it has been profiting for 3 Qs now, it is normal for companys to loose a lot of money in order to penetrate the market (ever heard the saying it takes money to make money?)

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

PS3 helped alot in all the money sony makes or will make in the future from blue ray but that is not reflected in the financials for PS3.But MS doesnt get any other benefit from xbox.

The xbox and xbox 360 has been a total disaster for MS but the PS3 isnt exactly as big a business failure as you may like to think.;)

HuusAsking

I guess you missed the articles where Microsoft gaming Division is in black for the past couple of quarters. They took a huge hit in one quarter but that doesn't effect the rest of its profits from the following quarters. It is were a total disaster we would see red quarters all the time for MS but we aren't.

RROD is something which has it's roots from the moment development of the 360 started till this day.It's not a one-off event that MS jusat charged for one quarter.When the xbox devision breaks even in the next 10 years then wake me up.Oh ya in case you dont understand they will have to make profits of around $8 billion to break even.

[QUOTE="gensigns"]

Losing money is harder on Sony becuase they're so much smaller than MS.

st1ka

huh... both companys are big enough to the point that loosing this kind of money is equally hard on both stop making excuses

Atleast somebody knows how to discuss financials and not fall for the deceptive reports that MS gives and some people are actually believing that the 360 is profiting.:lol:Spybot_9

lol? you really have no idea on how a company runs do you? microsoft is proffiting, it is very far from paying its debts from the previous xbox and the previous red quarters on the 360, but it has been profiting for 3 Qs now, it is normal for companys to loose a lot of money in order to penetrate the market (ever heard the saying it takes money to make money?)

This 4th q hardly had any microsot published games, (lost odyssey and ninja gaiden are the only ones that i can think of) if despite the lack of newly published games they still manage to obtain profit then i can safely say that they will only have profits from now on until the end of this gen, which means they penetrated the market and in the long run ir was worth it

You do know that the profits they are making are so tiny in respect of the losses they have made that it would probably take decades to fill it out and I dont ever see them making big profits.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="gensigns"]

Losing money is harder on Sony becuase they're so much smaller than MS.

Spybot_9

huh... both companys are big enough to the point that loosing this kind of money is equally hard on both stop making excuses

Atleast somebody knows how to discuss financials and not fall for the deceptive reports that MS gives and some people are actually believing that the 360 is profiting.:lol:Spybot_9

lol? you really have no idea on how a company runs do you? microsoft is proffiting, it is very far from paying its debts from the previous xbox and the previous red quarters on the 360, but it has been profiting for 3 Qs now, it is normal for companys to loose a lot of money in order to penetrate the market (ever heard the saying it takes money to make money?)

This 4th q hardly had any microsot published games, (lost odyssey and ninja gaiden are the only ones that i can think of) if despite the lack of newly published games they still manage to obtain profit then i can safely say that they will only have profits from now on until the end of this gen, which means they penetrated the market and in the long run ir was worth it

You do know that the profits they are making are so tiny in respect of the losses they have made that it would probably take decades to fill it out and I dont ever see them making big profits.

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]There you go,spin it,and a HD format isnt going to replace dvd any time soon.UnrealSin_X

You guys do realize that information (if your talking about Singulus) was based on supply side information from a company who does not represent the entire Blu-ray manufacturing market.

Demand for Blu-ray still appears sluggish. Most people in the US (and the West) don't own HDTVs, and most that do, aren't thinking about adopting Blu-ray.

And no, new tech doesn't always replace the old. If that was true, we'd all be using the Super CD by now.

huh... both companys are big enough to the point that loosing this kind of money is equally hard on both stop making excuses

st1ka

Company A: Makes 150 million profit and loses 5 million.

Company 8: Makes 50 million profit and loses 5 million.

How on earth can you claim this is "equally hard"? Go back to math class son - you must have skipped some of them.

your living in a dream world, it took many many years to DVD to replace VHS... in half the time you will be able to stream 1080P direct to your TV at the push of a button, so why would anyone want to get in a car, fill up with $5+ gas and drive to the store when they can just hit a button and watch the movie.

[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="UnrealSin_X"]Yes, if Blu Ray really does replace DVD then Sony really has made more profit than they would have with a PS3 without Blu Ray.Bdking57

when!

It still an "IF" right now. You do realize that there are OTHER being created that is actually better then Blu-Ray right? Get on the web and do some research man.

Also, Blu-Ray sales has been selling about the same %'s compared to DVD for the last 6 months. Blu-Ray's% over DVD has not really increased that much. It's going to be a long time before Blu-Ray becomes the norm. I'm happy just watching my DVD's upscaled to 1080P on my 360 or PS3. lol!! No need to switch.

[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

PS3 helped alot in all the money sony makes or will make in the future from blue ray but that is not reflected in the financials for PS3.But MS doesnt get any other benefit from xbox.

The xbox and xbox 360 has been a total disaster for MS but the PS3 isnt exactly as big a business failure as you may like to think.;)

XanderZane

When is the last time you researched the Xbox financial standings? The XBox 360 has been profiting for almost a year now on ever system sold. M$ announced at the end of the 1st quarter that they were out of the RED that the original XBox had put them in.

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/04/25/microsofts-xbox-division-turns-a-profit-again/

They are profitting every quarter right now, while Sony is still losing money on every PS3 sold. The only thing really keeping Sony out of the red is their PS2, HDTV, PSP and Blu-Ray players/movies. Do some research next time.

They are already out of the RED dude, so you do the math. They weren't in a 7 billion dollar debt. It was more like 5 billion and that was for 6years. Sony lost more then 2 billion in just 6 months. Plus they took at a load from insurance stocks. M$ make like 25B a year.

The fact still remains that they are profitting now and making lots and lots of $$$$, which really isn't news for Microsoft.

[QUOTE="Bdking57"]

your living in a dream world, it took many many years to DVD to replace VHS... in half the time you will be able to stream 1080P direct to your TV at the push of a button, so why would anyone want to get in a car, fill up with $5+ gas and drive to the store when they can just hit a button and watch the movie.

[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="UnrealSin_X"]Yes, if Blu Ray really does replace DVD then Sony really has made more profit than they would have with a PS3 without Blu Ray.skektek

when!

It still an "IF" right now. You do realize that there are OTHER being created that is actually better then Blu-Ray right? Get on the web and do some research man.

Also, Blu-Ray sales has been selling about the same %'s compared to DVD for the last 6 months. Blu-Ray's% over DVD has not really increased that much. It's going to be a long time before Blu-Ray becomes the norm. I'm happy just watching my DVD's upscaled to 1080P on my 360 or PS3. lol!! No need to switch.

[QUOTE="gensigns"]

Losing money is harder on Sony becuase they're so much smaller than MS.

st1ka

huh... both companys are big enough to the point that loosing this kind of money is equally hard on both stop making excuses

Uh, not really, MS is worth 279 Billion Dollars, SONY is around 40 Billion, so this obviously hurts SONY more than MS.

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Uh, not really, MS is worth 279 Billion Dollars, SONY is around 40 Billion, so this obviously hurts SONY more than MS.

Nagidar

yes it does, but is the the difference noticeable? i highly doubt it

Company A: Makes 150 million profit and loses 5 million.

Company 8: Makes 50 million profit and loses 5 million.

How on earth can you claim this is "equally hard"? Go back to math class son - you must have skipped some of them.

gensigns

except they dont make millions they both make billions

They are going to loose money again when the next xbox comes so really they cannot go anywhere with this and will propably just abandon it.Spybot_9

microsoft said they wont launch a new console until at least late 2011 so this wont end up like its predecessor, and as for they loosing money again on the next console we dont know about that, it depends on their strategy, it might be not too diferent from this generation´s where they plan on loosing money at the beggining but making proffit during the middle and last stages of the generation

You do know that the profits they are making are so tiny in respect of the losses they have made that it would probably take decades to fill it out and I dont ever see them making big profits.Spybot_9

they launched this console in Q4 2005 if we include RROD their costs amount to 3.x billion if im not mistaken

in the last 3 Qs they made around 500 million proffit.... we still have at least 3 years before the next console... id say they have a fair chance of recovering the costs of the 360 (though truth be told they wont make much proffit out of it this gen)

they launched this console in Q4 2005 if we include RROD their costs amount to 3.x billion if im not mistaken

in the last 3 Qs they made around 500 million proffit.... we still have at least 3 years before the next console... id say they have a fair chance of recovering the costs of the 360 (though truth be told they wont make much proffit out of it this gen)

st1ka

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

they launched this console in Q4 2005 if we include RROD their costs amount to 3.x billion if im not mistaken

in the last 3 Qs they made around 500 million proffit.... we still have at least 3 years before the next console... id say they have a fair chance of recovering the costs of the 360 (though truth be told they wont make much proffit out of it this gen)

HuusAsking

bingo, this is what i am trying to say

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="gensigns"]

Losing money is harder on Sony becuase they're so much smaller than MS.

Nagidar

huh... both companys are big enough to the point that loosing this kind of money is equally hard on both stop making excuses

Uh, not really, MS is worth 279 Billion Dollars, SONY is around 40 Billion, so this obviously hurts SONY more than MS.

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

vicmackey39

WTF? So non-fanboys want to lose money? ;)

There you go,spin it,and a HD format isnt going to replace dvd any time soon.xgraderx

Yeah if you're living in the stone age. Blu-Ray has been rising in profitability. More and more Blu-Rays are being sold. Blu-Ray discs are being put on the front of store shelves with DVDs. Blu-Ray is the future. Amazing picture quality, not that 480i/p crap or upscaled 480i/p. Live under a rock if you want, the world won't.

PS3 helped alot in all the money sony makes or will make in the future from blue ray but that is not reflected in the financials for PS3.But MS doesnt get any other benefit from xbox.

The xbox and xbox 360 has been a total disaster for MS but the PS3 isnt exactly as big a business failure as you may like to think.;)

Spybot_9

have you looked at the news lately? perhaps a year ago? 360's been making money since q2 2007...

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]There you go,spin it,and a HD format isnt going to replace dvd any time soon.Albanian_Killa

Yeah if you're living in the stone age. Blu-Ray has been rising in profitability. More and more Blu-Rays are being sold. Blu-Ray discs are being put on the front of store shelves with DVDs. Blu-Ray is the future. Amazing picture quality, not that 480i/p crap or upscaled 480i/p. Live under a rock if you want, the world won't.

blu-ray won't replace dvd's until another 5-7 years. by that time we'll have found something better. it's not that big of an upgrade.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Uh, not really, MS is worth 279 Billion Dollars, SONY is around 40 Billion, so this obviously hurts SONY more than MS.

st1ka

yes it does, but is the the difference noticeable? i highly doubt it

It becomes noticable when one company can lose ALOT more money than another company and not need to worry about it.

MS could lose the amount of money SONY is worth and it wouldn't really effect them.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

Chutebox

Point me to one person saying losing any amount of money is a good thing.

Well I will say this....In order to make money...You have to spend money..That is fact. Im sure Sony can afford spending just as much as MS can.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

FunkyHeadHunter

Point me to one person saying losing any amount of money is a good thing.

Well I will say this....In order to make money...You have to spend money..That is fact. Im sure Sony can afford spending just as much as MS can.

Not really, MS could buy SONY if they so wanted.

[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

Nagidar

Point me to one person saying losing any amount of money is a good thing.

Well I will say this....In order to make money...You have to spend money..That is fact. Im sure Sony can afford spending just as much as MS can.

Not really, MS could buy SONY if they so wanted.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

UnrealSin_X

Point me to one person saying losing any amount of money is a good thing.

Well I will say this....In order to make money...You have to spend money..That is fact. Im sure Sony can afford spending just as much as MS can.

Not really, MS could buy SONY if they so wanted.

Sorry, I was at work and didn't see your last post, I was a bit off, apparently, MS lost some money, but anyway, here are the links:

MS

SONY

Again, I apologize, I didn't see your post.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

UnrealSin_X

Point me to one person saying losing any amount of money is a good thing.

Well I will say this....In order to make money...You have to spend money..That is fact. Im sure Sony can afford spending just as much as MS can.

Not really, MS could buy SONY if they so wanted.

http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?sedol=2588173

http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?sedol=6821506

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][

Uh, not really, MS is worth 279 Billion Dollars, SONY is around 40 Billion, so this obviously hurts SONY more than MS.

st1ka

yes it does, but is the the difference noticeable? i highly doubt it

Heh - You really DID fail simple math.

Assuming both lose an equal amount, lets say 3.5 Billion, the loss would be 1.25% of MS's worth vs/ 8.75% of Sony's.

You tell me, is that a noticable difference?

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[QUOTE="UnrealSin_X"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

Nagidar

Point me to one person saying losing any amount of money is a good thing.

Well I will say this....In order to make money...You have to spend money..That is fact. Im sure Sony can afford spending just as much as MS can.

Not really, MS could buy SONY if they so wanted.

Sorry, I was at work and didn't see your last post, I was a bit off, apparently, MS lost some money, but anyway, here are the links:

MS

SONY

Again, I apologize, I didn't see your post.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]Why do people keep posting this......Has everybody forgot about the boat-loads of money from PS1 an PS2 and PSP. MS did not have that.Nagidar

You're right, they have that thing called "Windows", you may have heard of it. :P

thanks....lemme know when Windows is part of the Xbox Division....they're not a single entity you know....

I honestly don't care. I'm not here to argue a company's bottom-line.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]Why do people keep posting this......Has everybody forgot about the boat-loads of money from PS1 an PS2 and PSP. MS did not have that.MikeE21286

You're right, they have that thing called "Windows", you may have heard of it. :P

thanks....lemme know when Windows is part of the Xbox Division....they're not a single entity you know....

I honestly don't care. I'm not here to argue a company's bottom-line.

Doesn't matter, MS has more money than SONY, regardless of what they make / made from the PS1, PS2 and PSP, MS has resources SONY doesn't as a whole company.

Yeah, there is some great business sense from the OP...

Ok let's look at what MSFT did, they spent money on the XBOX and lost a lot to BREAK INTO a market they were never in. That happens in almost every business that expands into a new niche, just how much they are willing to lose is the question.

Sony has had the last two best selling consoles, generation wise, and was the super money maker. The PS3 going to huge losses compared to the others is not a good confidence builder for investors. Sony's only saving grace is the bet on Blu Ray but that is still is questionable on how much it will bring in vs Sony's total cost of promoting blu ray (which is beyond the 3 billion lost on the PS3). Honestly, this is will be an interesting time for Sony because they have been getting bloodied in a lot of their business units lately (though still making money in most, just not as much as everyone wants them too).

It's alright, here on System Wars a lot of people claim things so i always ask for proof :P

Anyway, it's surprising Sony has a lot of divisions and it's only worth 40 billion? Microsoft is mostly computer and its worth over 200 billion o.OUnrealSin_X

[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

Nagidar

Point me to one person saying losing any amount of money is a good thing.

Well I will say this....In order to make money...You have to spend money..That is fact. Im sure Sony can afford spending just as much as MS can.

Not really, MS could buy SONY if they so wanted.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

if Sony loses money it's not the same because the sony organisation runs on magical pixie dust so they don't need money and they have

The only people who say that losing 3.3 billion dollars is a bad thing are fanboys

HuusAsking

Point me to one person saying losing any amount of money is a good thing.

Well I will say this....In order to make money...You have to spend money..That is fact. Im sure Sony can afford spending just as much as MS can.

Not really, MS could buy SONY if they so wanted.

I know that, but I said IF MS wanted to, they could buy SONY, wether that be SONY taking an offer or MS going straight to the shareholders.

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]There you go,spin it,and a HD format isnt going to replace dvd any time soon.UnrealSin_X

all i know is i cant justify paying $34.99 for a movie when i can get that same movie for 17 or less. supposely these things cost pennies to make above a dvd but worth double? ok, yeah right. ill stay with my dvds until blurays get their price right which i doubt will be anytime SOON.

[QUOTE="UnrealSin_X"][QUOTE="xgraderx"]There you go,spin it,and a HD format isnt going to replace dvd any time soon.Danm_999

You guys do realize that information (if your talking about Singulus) was based on supply side information from a company who does not represent the entire Blu-ray manufacturing market.

Demand for Blu-ray still appears sluggish. Most people in the US (and the West) don't own HDTVs, and most that do, aren't thinking about adopting Blu-ray.

And no, new tech doesn't always replace the old. If that was true, we'd all be using the Super CD by now.