Sony owns the top two devs in the industry

Lol @ the guy saying Bungie's Halo is mroe iconic than Naughty Dog's games.

when i was still living in Asia, no one knew what Halo was. even up 'til now, not alot of people know about Halo or Master Chief. that\s why when i got here in North America i was amazed by how fanboys start spewing all these 'Halo pwnz!' stuff. when i first got my hands into it, i wasnt even impressed. i mean, Unreal Tournament was even better. and Team Fortress.

also, Naughty Dog's Crash Bandicoot in the PS1 trumps Halo in every way, let alone Crash + Jack & Daxter + Uncharted. at least in Asia, Crash Bandicoot was very popular. (and by Asia, i mean not just Japan, China, Korea. you know, Asia in its entirety).

and to the people claiming Valve is the best developer, i LOL. Valve hasnt done anything new or big for the last decade, ever since Half-Life.

their biggest games: Counter-Strike was a mod made by a bunch of guys (not Valve)

Team Fortress was also a mod written by a bunch of guys as well (i.e. not Valve)

Left 4 Dead was made by Turtle Rock (not Valve)

Portal was made by some students (i.e. not Valve)

even Day of Defeat wasn't made by Valve.

that's like saying Activision is great because they purchased Blizzard who made World of Warcraft, therefore, Activision made World of Warcraft. doesn't make any sense.

rawr89

Naughty dog and sucker punch are a much better combination.

Neither of those developers are Blizzard, Nintendo, Bioware. GG top devs in the industry? Best Laugh I had all dayDiviniuz

Blizzard makes crap games. They don't change the formula. It took them $100 million dollars to make SC2 with the same gameplay as SC1. All the mean while Sins of a Solar empire was made with 500 thousand and its better in terms of graphics, gameplay and mechanics than SC2. Lets face it Blizzards all it has going for it is nostalgia. I mean Demons Souls is already a better Diablo than Diablo 3 can ever be.SpartanNapoleon

This troll is inspired by the Loa of WoW.

Astonishing.

General_X

so are you telling me that Narbacular Drop isn't similar to Portal? oh please.

also, as ive said, Valve wouldve never thought of creating a Team Fortress 2 game, simply because they didnt create Team Fortress. the idea of Team Fortress wasnt conceived by Valve. at all. they can only make a Team Fortress 2 game simply because there was a Team Fortress 1. had Team Fortress 1 not been created, do you really think Valve will come up with an idea of something like it? huh. highly doubt it.

oh, and why are you bringing in Half-Life 2 into this? i have never said anyrthing about Half-Life since the entire games was made by Valve. why would i discredit them from a game that they actually made with their own ideas? nice try, though.

why do people mention bioware as a top developer in the industry? I find that pretty lol-worthy.

why do people mention bioware as a top developer in the industry? I find that pretty lol-worthy.

Some-Mist

hey! don't be crude, i only live about a dozen blocks away from their office. :D

they even went to my university (where the founders have also studied medicine) to ask one of the Computer Science/Design professors to help them make Dragon Age. it had something to do with the environment streaming without having some loading times or what-not. :)

why do people mention bioware as a top developer in the industry? I find that pretty lol-worthy.

Some-Mist

maybe because almost every single game they've released has been generally considered phenominal?

[QUOTE="General_X"]

rawr89

so are you telling me that Narbacular Drop isn't similar to Portal? oh please.

also, as ive said, Valve wouldve never thought of creating a Team Fortress 2 game, simply because they didnt create Team Fortress. the idea of Team Fortress wasnt conceived by Valve. at all. they can only make a Team Fortress 2 game simply because there was a Team Fortress 1. had Team Fortress 1 not been created, do you really think Valve will come up with an idea of something like it? huh. highly doubt it.

oh, and why are you bringing in Half-Life 2 into this? i have never said anyrthing about Half-Life since the entire games was made by Valve. why would i discredit them from a game that they actually made with their own ideas? nice try, though.

when you're referring to team fortress 1, are you referring to team fortress classic? or quake team fortress?

regarding your question, I think they probably would have made it regardless of TFC. It wouldn't be the same TF2 as it is now, but they probably would have taken the idea from QTF sooner or later. Also if you recall, back when valve first announced that they were making tf2 8 years ago, the game looked absolutely nothing like TFC (until they scrapped the idea and restarted).

and for the record TFC is leagues better than TF2. I have mixed feelings about QTF.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

why do people mention bioware as a top developer in the industry? I find that pretty lol-worthy.

CaseyWegner

maybe because almost every single game they've released has been generally considered phenominal?

I dunno, seems like a lot of rehashing of their older ideas to me. They haven't really seemed to take many chances when creating their newer IPs (weren't they the company bashing other companies for that very reason?). Then again, that's what nintendo and blizzard seems to do anyways. mario, zelda, starcraft, warcraft, diablo. Altho I don't think starcraft 2 will be a casualized version of starcraft one...like how mass effect 2 was a casualized version of mass effect 1.

pretty outrageous that gamers find their titles 'phenominal'

[QUOTE="General_X"]

rawr89

so are you telling me that Narbacular Drop isn't similar to Portal? oh please.

also, as ive said, Valve wouldve never thought of creating a Team Fortress 2 game, simply because they didnt create Team Fortress. the idea of Team Fortress wasnt conceived by Valve. at all. they can only make a Team Fortress 2 game simply because there was a Team Fortress 1. had Team Fortress 1 not been created, do you really think Valve will come up with an idea of something like it? huh. highly doubt it.

oh, and why are you bringing in Half-Life 2 into this? i have never said anyrthing about Half-Life since the entire games was made by Valve. why would i discredit them from a game that they actually made with their own ideas? nice try, though.

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

[QUOTE="General_X"]

General_X

so are you telling me that Narbacular Drop isn't similar to Portal? oh please.

also, as ive said, Valve wouldve never thought of creating a Team Fortress 2 game, simply because they didnt create Team Fortress. the idea of Team Fortress wasnt conceived by Valve. at all. they can only make a Team Fortress 2 game simply because there was a Team Fortress 1. had Team Fortress 1 not been created, do you really think Valve will come up with an idea of something like it? huh. highly doubt it.

oh, and why are you bringing in Half-Life 2 into this? i have never said anyrthing about Half-Life since the entire games was made by Valve. why would i discredit them from a game that they actually made with their own ideas? nice try, though.

you mean how they took out the advanced movement techniques? like chopping, strafing, bunnyhopping, sharking, handheld concs, rampslides and so on? how they took out the speed of the game by slowing down all the classes and removing concussion grenades and standard grenades? they casualized the **** out of the game. The only improvements I personally think they made > TFC is by making the pyro a more effective class (seriously underpowered in tfc, and may be considered overpowered now in TF2) and the same goes for sniper.

best quote I've ever read regarding TF2:
"game makers realized that the average gamer does not want to play a game like TFC where the first months of playing is a process of learning maps and techniques while constantly getting raped. So they made TF2 so you can have different hats on your character and they all have funny personalities and you can critical hit for one-shot kills randomly!"

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Blizzard makes crap games. They don't change the formula. It took them $100 million dollars to make SC2 with the same gameplay as SC1. All the mean while Sins of a Solar empire was made with 500 thousand and its better in terms of graphics, gameplay and mechanics than SC2. Lets face it Blizzards all it has going for it is nostalgia. I mean Demons Souls is already a better Diablo than Diablo 3 can ever be.Mograine

This troll is inspired by the Loa of WoW.

Astonishing.

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

[QUOTE="General_X"]

General_X

so are you telling me that Narbacular Drop isn't similar to Portal? oh please.

also, as ive said, Valve wouldve never thought of creating a Team Fortress 2 game, simply because they didnt create Team Fortress. the idea of Team Fortress wasnt conceived by Valve. at all. they can only make a Team Fortress 2 game simply because there was a Team Fortress 1. had Team Fortress 1 not been created, do you really think Valve will come up with an idea of something like it? huh. highly doubt it.

oh, and why are you bringing in Half-Life 2 into this? i have never said anyrthing about Half-Life since the entire games was made by Valve. why would i discredit them from a game that they actually made with their own ideas? nice try, though.

yes, because when you think of Portal, you first think of companion cube, or the sterile environment. :roll:

what makes Portal Portal is the gameplay. where you shoot two magic portals that are connected to each other. the funny thing is, it's not comparing one shooter to just another shooter. there are alot of shooters in the market, but the only other game that is strikingly similar to what Portal does is Narbacular Drop. dont you get it? the main idea and gameplay mechanic that is Portal all came from Narbacular Drop. you dont identify Portal through a companion cube, or writings on the wall. that's just stupidity. you identify games by how they're played. if you're saying that Valve made GlaDOS, or those writings on the wall, then i give you that. but that's not Portal's selling point. and since you know what it is, let me tell you that Valve didn't create it.

[QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="rawr89"]

so are you telling me that Narbacular Drop isn't similar to Portal? oh please.

also, as ive said, Valve wouldve never thought of creating a Team Fortress 2 game, simply because they didnt create Team Fortress. the idea of Team Fortress wasnt conceived by Valve. at all. they can only make a Team Fortress 2 game simply because there was a Team Fortress 1. had Team Fortress 1 not been created, do you really think Valve will come up with an idea of something like it? huh. highly doubt it.

oh, and why are you bringing in Half-Life 2 into this? i have never said anyrthing about Half-Life since the entire games was made by Valve. why would i discredit them from a game that they actually made with their own ideas? nice try, though.

rawr89

yes, because when you think of Portal, you first think of companion cube, or the sterile environment. :roll:

what makes Portal Portal is the gameplay. where you shoot two magic portals that are connected to each other. the funny thing is, it's not comparing one shooter to just another shooter. there are alot of shooters in the market, but the only other game that is strikingly similar to what Portal does is Narbacular Drop. dont you get it? the main idea and gameplay mechanic that is Portal all came from Narbacular Drop. you dont identify Portal through a companion cube, or writings on the wall. that's just stupidity. you identify games by how they're played. if you're saying that Valve made GlaDOS, or those writings on the wall, then i give you that. but that's not Portal's selling point. and since you know what it is, let me tell you that Valve didn't create it.

Ummm, I'm just going to leave this thread with a "lol"

Raymundo_Manuel

Sony owns Nintendo and Blizzard? When did this happen?

Prove me wrong. I mean you are a SC fanboy since you have the SC logo as your avatar. But tell me where I'm wrong? Saying a trolll is not a defense. Its a lack of ability to come up with something to prove the person wrong.SpartanNapoleon

:lol:

Blizzard makes the most highly acclaimed games of the industry, kid.

StarCraft is still one of the most played online games T W E L V E (12) years after its release, has a cult of its own in the gaming scene, is a nation's national sport, has the biggest tournaments putting it as the game with the biggest prizes and Starcraft players are acclaimed as the most skilled RTS players in the world, not to mention, it's the only game whose factions are completely different to eachother (in the sense that they do not share -ONE- mechanic) yet it's flawlessly balanced. No other game has ever managed to do that.

Diablo redefined the way we see atmosphere and dungeon crawling in games...with an absolutely flawless pacing and gritty atmosphere, altho with a lacking class system.

Diablo 2 is one of the forefathers of RPGs and it's only thanks to the impact it had that focus on the loot system has some importance in today's RPGs, becoming an addiction for millions of players who hail it as the one and only ARPG/Hack n slash hybrid. Still no game has managed to get the loot system as well as D2 did, ten years since its release, which once again says a lot about it.

WarCraft 1 and WarCraft 2 were Blizzard's testing ground for future RTSs - while lackluster in variety, they introduced gamers to one of the most epic storylines gaming as a whole can offer.

WarCraft 3 and WoW...I don't need to comment.

People still hails Blizzard games as the top of their genres a decade after their first release. Their players will remember this games for years to come, even when nobody will be around to play them anymore.

I don't need to "prove" you wrong - somebody who says Blizzard games are crap is either envious or in need of attention.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

why do people mention bioware as a top developer in the industry? I find that pretty lol-worthy.

Some-Mist

maybe because almost every single game they've released has been generally considered phenominal?

I dunno, seems like a lot of rehashing of their older ideas to me. They haven't really seemed to take many chances when creating their newer IPs (weren't they the company bashing other companies for that very reason?). Then again, that's what nintendo and blizzard seems to do anyways. mario, zelda, starcraft, warcraft, diablo. Altho I don't think starcraft 2 will be a casualized version of starcraft one...like how mass effect 2 was a casualized version of mass effect 1.

pretty outrageous that gamers find their titles 'phenominal'

baldur's gate, baldur's gate 2, neverwinter nights, kotor, jade empire, mass effect 1&2, and dragon age would be a lineup that any developer would be more than proud to have. whether or not they take chances doesn't change the fact that they know what they're doing.

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Prove me wrong. I mean you are a SC fanboy since you have the SC logo as your avatar. But tell me where I'm wrong? Saying a trolll is not a defense. Its a lack of ability to come up with something to prove the person wrong.Mograine

:lol:

Blizzard makes the most highly acclaimed games of the industry, kid.

StarCraft is still one of the most played online games T W E L V E (12) years after its release, has a cult of its own in the gaming scene, is a nation's national sport, has the biggest tournaments putting it as the game with the biggest prizes and Starcraft players are acclaimed as the most skilled RTS players in the world, not to mention, it's the only game whose factions are completely different to eachother (in the sense that they do not share -ONE- mechanic) yet it's flawlessly balanced. No other game has ever managed to do that.

Diablo redefined the way we see atmosphere and dungeon crawling in games...with an absolutely flawless pacing and gritty atmosphere, altho with a lacking class system.

Diablo 2 is one of the forefathers of RPGs and it's only thanks to the impact it had that focus on the loot system has some importance in today's RPGs, becoming an addiction for millions of players who hail it as the one and only ARPG/Hack n slash hybrid. Still no game has managed to get the loot system as well as D2 did, ten years since its release, which once again says a lot about it.

WarCraft 1 and WarCraft 2 were Blizzard's testing ground for future RTSs - while lackluster in variety, they introduced gamers to one of the most epic storylines gaming as a whole can offer.

WarCraft 3 and WoW...I don't need to comment.

People still hails Blizzard games as the top of their genres a decade after their first release. Their players will remember this games for years to come, even when nobody will be around to play them anymore.

I don't need to "prove" you wrong - somebody who says Blizzard games are crap is either envious or in need of attention.

blizzard is amazing unfortunately i cant stand MMORPG i just cant get into them and idk why:(

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Prove me wrong. I mean you are a SC fanboy since you have the SC logo as your avatar. But tell me where I'm wrong? Saying a trolll is not a defense. Its a lack of ability to come up with something to prove the person wrong.Mograine

:lol:

Blizzard makes the most highly acclaimed games of the industry, kid.

StarCraft is still one of the most played online games T W E L V E (12) years after its release, has a cult of its own in the gaming scene, is a nation's national sport, has the biggest tournaments putting it as the game with the biggest prizes and Starcraft players are acclaimed as the most skilled RTS players in the world, not to mention, it's the only game whose factions are completely different to eachother (in the sense that they do not share -ONE- mechanic) yet it's flawlessly balanced. No other game has ever managed to do that.

Diablo redefined the way we see atmosphere and dungeon crawling in games...with an absolutely flawless pacing and gritty atmosphere, altho with a lacking class system.

Diablo 2 is one of the forefathers of RPGs and it's only thanks to the impact it had that focus on the loot system has some importance in today's RPGs, becoming an addiction for millions of players who hail it as the one and only ARPG/Hack n slash hybrid. Still no game has managed to get the loot system as well as D2 did, ten years since its release, which once again says a lot about it.

WarCraft 1 and WarCraft 2 were Blizzard's testing ground for future RTSs - while lackluster in variety, they introduced gamers to one of the most epic storylines gaming as a whole can offer.

WarCraft 3 and WoW...I don't need to comment.

People still hails Blizzard games as the top of their genres a decade after their first release. Their players will remember this games for years to come, even when nobody will be around to play them anymore.

I don't need to "prove" you wrong - somebody who says Blizzard games are crap is either envious or in need of attention.

Demon's Souls well its just what Diablo 3 should be. SpartanNapoleon

Demon's Souls isn't even as good as Diablo 2.

I'll agree with NaughtyDog, they're definitely my favorite game developers. Crash Bandicoot 1, 2, 3, CTR, Jak1, 2, 3, X, Uncharted 1, 2. I still play everysingle one of them and Jak II and Uncharted 2 may be my favorite games of all time.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="civic_misfit"]

I'm talking about gameplay too. U2 is as revolutionary as you can get this gen, and its scores support this. It was the first to combine platforming with cover and shooting mechanics. Not to mention being the first game to combine an amazing single player campaign with an excellent multiplayer. No other developer has been able to pull that off. While Halo 3 has a great multiplayer, it has a terrible campaign. Even Halo's fans agree that it has a bad campaign.

civic_misfit

you really think uncharted 2 is the first game in history to have both great single player and multiplayer modes?

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Blizzard makes crap games. They don't change the formula. It took them $100 million dollars to make SC2 with the same gameplay as SC1. All the mean while Sins of a Solar empire was made with 500 thousand and its better in terms of graphics, gameplay and mechanics than SC2. Lets face it Blizzards all it has going for it is nostalgia. I mean Demons Souls is already a better Diablo than Diablo 3 can ever be.SpartanNapoleon

This troll is inspired by the Loa of WoW.

Astonishing.

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Demon's Souls well its just what Diablo 3 should be. HoolaHoopMan

Demon's Souls isn't even as good as Diablo 2.

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Demon's Souls well its just what Diablo 3 should be. HoolaHoopMan

Demon's Souls isn't even as good as Diablo 2.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Demon's Souls well its just what Diablo 3 should be. SpartanNapoleon

Demon's Souls isn't even as good as Diablo 2.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Demon's Souls well its just what Diablo 3 should be. oldkingallant

Demon's Souls isn't even as good as Diablo 2.

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Demon's Souls and Total War say hi. If you have never played any other strategy games try Medieval total war. Its like 5 years old but it still more complex, requires more strategy, tactics and formations than Starcraft can even begin to imagine. And Demon's Souls well its just what Diablo 3 should be. Try those games out then get back to me. And if sales mean everything then WiiFit beats Diablo, and Starcraft in everyway. Starcraft has nostalgia nothing else. And Warcraft 3 is what got me to hate Blizzard. They had potential but just kept releasing the same old stuff. After that I moved to the Total War and Total Anihalation series and I have to say I have been happy(Except for Supreme Commander 2 that game was garbage trying to cater to the casuals.)Mograine

How is guerrilla games top developer. I could understand naughty dog. They kind of made the 4th biggest mascot of all time (crash bandicoot) has developed all the tech for the playstation 3 and has made a universial game of the year with uncharted 2 among thieves. But guerilla games isn't even close to that tier. Nintendo, and Blizzard are probably the best 2 developers in the world.

[QUOTE="General_X"]Remind me what mod was Half-Life and Half-Life 2 + Eps based off of?

Other than the name and classes Valve took complete control of the development of TF2, which is far superior than TFC.

The Portal team was originally working a medieval adventure game that used "magical" portals before Valve hired them to make Portal from scratch.

I was under the impression that the idea for Left 4 Dead was based on a custom Counter Strike game mode, but the rest of the production was completely done by Valve. I'm curious where you heard otherwise because my info comes from the developer commentary. Also you might have an argument for CS 1.6, but Counter Strike Source was completely done by the mod team after they were hired by Valve. Only CS 1.6 and TFC were games that "Valve just slapped a logo on." The rest were made by developers firmly under the Valve umbrella.rawr89

yea, they took over TF2, but TF2 wouldnt be released if there were no Team Fortress 1. so what's your point there?

clearly, you dont see the irony. Portal wasn't made from scratch. it was taken from the ideas of a group of students. so you're saying that an idea of a bunch of people, who released a game no one knew about, and suddenly get hired by a big company only to re-release the same game (yes, they are the same game), and now you're telling me that the big company is the one who made the game? oh please.

again, no. Turtle Rock was making the game i.e. not a part of Valve, not a subsidiary, not a sister company, nothing. and in the middle of the production, Valve hired them. Valve only had a hand in marketing. you can say that they're 'technically' Valve when the game was released, but still, Valve was in no way the ones heading the creative process.

as ive said, Valve was only hiring people who already had released a game, or were making a game. and for me, that doesn't make Valve the greatest developer there is. if you hire people based on their creativity, and by that you get the credit to the final product, can you really say you're great at making games?

[QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="rawr89"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CabdPVthqw" title="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CabdPVthqw"> so are you telling me that Narbacular Drop isn't similar to Portal? oh please.

also, as ive said, Valve wouldve never thought of creating a Team Fortress 2 game, simply because they didnt create Team Fortress. the idea of Team Fortress wasnt conceived by Valve. at all. they can only make a Team Fortress 2 game simply because there was a Team Fortress 1. had Team Fortress 1 not been created, do you really think Valve will come up with an idea of something like it? huh. highly doubt it.

oh, and why are you bringing in Half-Life 2 into this? i have never said anyrthing about Half-Life since the entire games was made by Valve. why would i discredit them from a game that they actually made with their own ideas? nice try, though.

rawr89

yes, because when you think of Portal, you first think of companion cube, or the sterile environment. :roll:

what makes Portal Portal is the gameplay. where you shoot two magic portals that are connected to each other. the funny thing is, it's not comparing one shooter to just another shooter. there are alot of shooters in the market, but the only other game that is strikingly similar to what Portal does is Narbacular Drop. dont you get it? the main idea and gameplay mechanic that is Portal all came from Narbacular Drop. you dont identify Portal through a companion cube, or writings on the wall. that's just stupidity. you identify games by how they're played. if you're saying that Valve made GlaDOS, or those writings on the wall, then i give you that. but that's not Portal's selling point. and since you know what it is, let me tell you that Valve didn't create it.

Don't forget Polyphony Digital.

Gran Turismo is my favorite franchise of all time, and there is a big chance Gran Turismo 5 may be the best game of all time.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"]Demon's Souls well its just what Diablo 3 should be. TerrorRizzing

Demon's Souls isn't even as good as Diablo 2.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Demon's Souls isn't even as good as Diablo 2.

HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Demon's Souls isn't even as good as Diablo 2.

oldkingallant

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="oldkingallant"] Opinions of a Biased Lemming: Chapter 1.oldkingallant

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="oldkingallant"] Opinions of a Biased Lemming: Chapter 1.oldkingallant

doesn't being a lemming have something to do with the xbox?

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Because Diablo 2 is on Xbox right?HoolaHoopMan

What's so confusing? You're trying to downplay Demon's Souls, which is a PS3 game. It's established in the past that you are Lemming.... you only downplay Demon's Souls because you are a Lemming who hans't played it because it's on the PS3.oldkingallant

It's been established in the past I'm a lemming? Please do show me. I'm a PC gamer first and foremost, always have been.

Secondly, how is me saying Diablo 2 (a PC game from 2000) is better than Demon's Souls any indication that I'm a lemming?

Ummm, I'm just going to leave this thread with a "lol"

Raymundo_Manuel

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Because Diablo 2 is on Xbox right?CaseyWegner

doesn't being a lemming have something to do with the xbox?