Sony Q2 2008 Earnings Release (10/29), PS3 Ships 16.84 Million

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/index.html
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/viewer/08q2/

Results for the Fiscal Quarter ended September 2008.

Net Sales: 2.07 trillion yen (-0.5% YOY)
Net Income: 20.8 billion yen (-71.8% YOY)

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q2_eleki.pdf

Hardware Totals (Since April 2006)
PS2 = 32.45M
PSP = 30.32M
PS3 = 16.84M

Software Totals (Since April 2006)
PS2 = 389.9M
PSP = 133.8M
PS3 = 115.1M

X360 - 22.5 million

PS3 - 16.84 million

Difference - 5.66 million

The gap will either close or expand this holiday, what will it be, your predictions?

Wow, the PS3 has certainly gotten alot closer to the 360.

We may see it surpass soon.

X360 - 22.5 million

PS3 - 16.84 million

Difference - 5.66 million

The gap will either close or expand this holiday, what will it be, your predictions?

MightyMuna

It will close but not by much. I am thinking at most PS3 will at least only be about 5 million behind... Looks like I was wrong but I don't care... Sony really needs to drop the PS3s price if they plan on gaining any real ground. I wasn't exspecting the new $500 model PS3 this year. I still don't think that was a good idea. We only need one model on the market not like the Xbox 360 with so many different SKUs.

Wow, the PS3 has certainly gotten alot closer to the 360.

We may see it surpass soon.

danjammer69

About 1 and half million units since the begging of the year. I was exspecting more but whatever...

Japan's Sony Corp said on Wednesday it sold 2.43 million units of its PlayStation 3 game console in July-September, up 86 percent from 1.31 million units a year earlier.

200k more then the Xbox 360 shipped in the same time period. :wink:

X360 - 22.5 million

PS3 - 16.84 million

Difference - 5.66 million

The gap will either close or expand this holiday, what will it be, your predictions?

MightyMuna

Aren't the figures more like:

X360 - 20.8 million

PS3 - 11.9 million

Wii - 24.7 million

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"]

X360 - 22.5 million

PS3 - 16.84 million

Difference - 5.66 million

The gap will either close or expand this holiday, what will it be, your predictions?

fellermooty

Aren't the figures more like:

X360 - 20.8 million

PS3 - 11.9 million

Wii - 24.7 million

why do you say that?

X360 cant be ahead of the PS3 with 9 million. also Wii has surpassed or around 30 million

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"]

X360 - 22.5 million

PS3 - 16.84 million

Difference - 5.66 million

The gap will either close or expand this holiday, what will it be, your predictions?

fellermooty

Aren't the figures more like:

X360 - 20.8 million

PS3 - 11.9 million

Wii - 24.7 million

Where do those crazy figures come from? The Financial statements are releasing from all companies, time to update.

Sony suffers a 375 million operating loss for Q2(games division). Definately no price drop coming any time soon...

Obviously sony is still making a profit, just not nearly as much.

Down 70% yoy to. I know I wouldn't be looking at sony if I were an investor. Of course a bad statement like this means the stock price will likely decrease, and maybe if I think sony will do significantly better in the future, I might choose to invest. But, long term investing is a snooooze fest.

The gap will either close or expand this holiday, what will it be, your predictions?

MightyMuna

the only reason i am interested in the PS3 hardware sales is simply because with a larger install base (one which is close to the 360) 3rd party devs might be encouraged to take PS3 as the lead platform when releasing multiplats and then port them to 360.... when games are on 360 as the lead platform there are big chances that Ps3 will get a slightly inferior version, while I think its much easier to port games from Ps3 to 360 and keep the same quality for both..

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

the only reason i am interested in the PS3 hardware sales is simply because with a larger install base (one which is close to the 360) 3rd party devs might be encouraged to take PS3 as the lead platform when releasing multiplats and then port them to 360.... when games are on 360 as the lead platform there are big chances that Ps3 will get a slightly inferior version, while I think its much easier to port games from Ps3 to 360 and keep the same quality for both..

Malta_1980

That's right. I hope PS3 does better this holidays, i want those PS2 days back but on PS3, where many many games were released and i've never complained about having worst multiplatform versions (in the beginning i did complain, but latter it all went ok).

Also i hope Sony does something about those mandatory installs, i'm so sick of them

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

NinjaMunkey01

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

Steppy_76

it can not only close the gap but surpass the 360 with a price drop once the ps3 hit $299 its over for 360

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

Steppy_76

Yeah Yeah we all know that your such a 360 fanboy. It's closing in, doesn't matter in which country it sales better. Anyway, holidays are what mark the real diference, lets see what happens, last year Metal Gear Solid 4 wasn't released neither Little Big Planet. In fact, last year i think there weren't any good reasons to get a PS3, it was all bad news

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

ExtremeOne316

Gears 2 will make a difference. It does not matter that sony has loadas of great titles coming out, so far there have not been many adverts for them, but gears 1 was advertised soooo much gears 2 is already a known game for casuals.

Sony needs to market more if they are gong to get the casuals this gen. They have the games, but not the hype unfortunately.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

Steppy_76

How can you say that? On the Eve of the PS3/Wii launch M$ was bragging they hit the 10 Million mark. That means that Sony was 0, M$ was around 10 million. Maybe they hit 12 million, maybe they lied and were at 8-9 million, but where do you get 6.5 million?

Anyways, you have a great point about closing the gap, and whatnot, I only have a problem with that first part of your paragraph.

So the PS3/360 gap really hasnt closed at all, and from the looks of it, it seems that MS are going to widen the gap again this holiday

Let me get this straight, just woken up so im a little slow, but Sony made a loss of Y39.5 billion on their games division. Also, how much of a money hole was the PS3, AFAIK, its still losing billions even though the last quarters have been posted profit due to PS2 and PSP related sales

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

SolidTy

How can you say that? On the Eve of the PS3/Wii launch M$ was bragging they hit the 10 Million mark. That means that Sony was 0, M$ was around 10 million. Maybe they hit 12 million, maybe they lied and were at 8-9 million, but where do you get 6.5 million?

Anyways, you have a great point about closing the gap, and whatnot, I only have a problem with that first part of your paragraph.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

Steppy_76

How can you say that? On the Eve of the PS3/Wii launch M$ was bragging they hit the 10 Million mark. That means that Sony was 0, M$ was around 10 million. Maybe they hit 12 million, maybe they lied and were at 8-9 million, but where do you get 6.5 million?

Anyways, you have a great point about closing the gap, and whatnot, I only have a problem with that first part of your paragraph.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

JKusanagi

Yeah Yeah we all know that your such a 360 fanboy. It's closing in, doesn't matter in which country it sales better. Anyway, holidays are what mark the real diference, lets see what happens, last year Metal Gear Solid 4 wasn't released neither Little Big Planet. In fact, last year i think there weren't any good reasons to get a PS3, it was all bad news

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Wow sony are closing in.

I wonder how the price drop from MS will affect things?

If you look at sonys total sales though, you can see that this gen they are doing very well, its not just the ps3 but the psp and ps2 as well.

FirstDiscovery

How can you say that? On the Eve of the PS3/Wii launch M$ was bragging they hit the 10 Million mark. That means that Sony was 0, M$ was around 10 million. Maybe they hit 12 million, maybe they lied and were at 8-9 million, but where do you get 6.5 million?

Anyways, you have a great point about closing the gap, and whatnot, I only have a problem with that first part of your paragraph.

Finding old numbers is hard, but here is a link where MS talks of "selling" 10 mil worldwide by the end of dec 2006. Note that "selling" in this instance is "sold to retail". According to this MS had shipped 8 million by dec 1st of 2006. 8 million minus all the stock sitting on shelves worldwide would put 360 actual sales on dec 1 likely somewhere between 6 and 7 million. That would mean the PS3 had to sell 500,000 units from launch to dec 1 worldwide to put the gap at 6.5 million if the 360 sales were on the high end of estimates.

Finding old numbers is hard, but here is a link where MS talks of "selling" 10 mil worldwide by the end of dec 2006. Note that "selling" in this instance is "sold to retail". According to this MS had shipped 8 million by dec 1st of 2006. 8 million minus all the stock sitting on shelves worldwide would put 360 actual sales on dec 1 likely somewhere between 6 and 7 million. That would mean the PS3 had to sell 500,000 units from launch to dec 1 worldwide to put the gap at 6.5 million if the 360 sales were on the high end of estimates.

Steppy_76

As usual, Cows were far to quick to get to conclusions. At this rate, itll take years before Sony catch-up, minimum of two.

X360 - 22.5 million

PS3 - 16.84 million

Difference - 5.66 million

The gap will either close or expand this holiday, what will it be, your predictions?

MightyMuna

It will widen. The 360 will sell out due to its bundled games during the holidays season and cheaper price IMO.

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

ExtremeOne316

Whoever wants Gears 2 already has a 360.

Gears 2 will sell a huge amount of software, but it won't sell 360's the way MGS4 sold PS3's.

I want 360 to do better. Purely because MS are doing the right thing for gamers and getting the most games.

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

ExtremeOne316

Yeah and PS3 has no system selling games out this month. sarcasm/

Only the super die hard fanboys care about shipped numbers at least I could understand debating sold numbers to the people. Any of the makers could have sold(shipped) a billion to the stores that does not mean the number of what people bought is anywhere close to that. Also the companys always mess with these numbers in different ways.

Only thing I wonder about is how much the game divisions make money wise.

[QUOTE="ExtremeOne316"]

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

angry_fork

Whoever wants Gears 2 already has a 360.

Gears 2 will sell a huge amount of software, but it won't sell 360's the way MGS4 sold PS3's.

If that is the case, why is it growing in NA and holding steady in EU?

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="ExtremeOne316"]

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

FirstDiscovery

Whoever wants Gears 2 already has a 360.

Gears 2 will sell a huge amount of software, but it won't sell 360's the way MGS4 sold PS3's.

If that is the case, why is it growing in NA and holding steady in EU?

The 200$ price tag is what's making it do that, not Gears 2.

[QUOTE="ExtremeOne316"]

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

angry_fork

Whoever wants Gears 2 already has a 360.

Gears 2 will sell a huge amount of software, but it won't sell 360's the way MGS4 sold PS3's.

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="ExtremeOne316"]

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

angry_fork

Whoever wants Gears 2 already has a 360.

Gears 2 will sell a huge amount of software, but it won't sell 360's the way MGS4 sold PS3's.

If that is the case, why is it growing in NA and holding steady in EU?

The 200$ price tag is what's making it do that, not Gears 2.

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"]

The gap will either close or expand this holiday, what will it be, your predictions?

metalgear-solid

Except that it has by far the worst lineup of games and the worst online service.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="ExtremeOne316"]

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

FirstDiscovery

Whoever wants Gears 2 already has a 360.

Gears 2 will sell a huge amount of software, but it won't sell 360's the way MGS4 sold PS3's.

If that is the case, why is it growing in NA and holding steady in EU?

The 200$ price tag is what's making it do that, not Gears 2.

No, it was steady. I think you're confusing 360 with PS3, because PS3 was growing in NA before 360 had the price cut, and now 360 is back to how it used to be.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="ExtremeOne316"]

The gap between the 360 and PS3 will get even better after Gears of War 2 comes out

Eltroz

Whoever wants Gears 2 already has a 360.

Gears 2 will sell a huge amount of software, but it won't sell 360's the way MGS4 sold PS3's.

I never said anything about Japan what so ever, the reason it's selling like crazy in Japan is the RPG's + cheaper price + bundles. Japan doesn't care about Gears 2.

Halo 3 sold consoles
Bioshock sold consoles
Mass Effect sold consoles

Gears of War 2, will not sell as many consoles as people think it will. It won't double the console sales from it's previous month like MGS4 did for PS3.

MGS4 is Metal Gear going into next-gen and everyone wanted it like MGS2 for PS2. Gears of War came out this-gen, whoever wanted Gears got a 360 for it already, period.

No, it was steady. I think you're confusing 360 with PS3, because PS3 was growing in NA before 360 had the price cut, and now 360 is back to how it used to be.

angry_fork

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="angry_fork"]

No, it was steady. I think you're confusing 360 with PS3, because PS3 was growing in NA before 360 had the price cut, and now 360 is back to how it used to be.

angry_fork

OK!@!!!!12W1323 OMG I MUST TYPE IN CAPITALS DAMIT PLEASE LISTEN TO ME PLEASE LOOK FOR REAL I'M SO SERIOUS FOR REAL

wtf, Shut up it's not that serious.

PS3 out-sold 360 worldwide in 2007.

PS3 out-sold 360 worldwide in 2008 until what, August? September? whenever Microsoft did the price cut and it started jumping in Japan.

Just get over it already, this isn't about that anyway, this is my point that Gears 2 won't somehow magically convince somebody to buy a 360, when Gears of War has been out for 2 years already and Gears 2 isn't THAT much of a step up from Gears 1 to the point where it'll make people jump for joy and do a backflip for a 360.

Im currently at university so i havent got the figures, but considering you dont know what you what youre talking about, you can carry on believing what you want:lol:

At least this puts to bed the nonsense about the PS3 making a profit.

As for the whole Sony catching up, its made a small in road but I can see the 360 putting more distance again with the price cut.

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="angry_fork"]

No, it was steady. I think you're confusing 360 with PS3, because PS3 was growing in NA before 360 had the price cut, and now 360 is back to how it used to be.

angry_fork

OK!@!!!!12W1323 OMG I MUST TYPE IN CAPITALS DAMIT PLEASE LISTEN TO ME PLEASE LOOK FOR REAL I'M SO SERIOUS FOR REAL

wtf, Shut up it's not that serious.

PS3 out-sold 360 worldwide in 2007.

PS3 out-sold 360 worldwide in 2008 until what, August? September? whenever Microsoft did the price cut and it started jumping in Japan.

Just get over it already, this isn't about that anyway, this is my point that Gears 2 won't somehow magically convince somebody to buy a 360, when Gears of War has been out for 2 years already and Gears 2 isn't THAT much of a step up from Gears 1 to the point where it'll make people jump for joy and do a backflip for a 360.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="angry_fork"]

No, it was steady. I think you're confusing 360 with PS3, because PS3 was growing in NA before 360 had the price cut, and now 360 is back to how it used to be.

blue_hazy_basic

OK!@!!!!12W1323 OMG I MUST TYPE IN CAPITALS DAMIT PLEASE LISTEN TO ME PLEASE LOOK FOR REAL I'M SO SERIOUS FOR REAL

wtf, Shut up it's not that serious.

PS3 out-sold 360 worldwide in 2007.

PS3 out-sold 360 worldwide in 2008 until what, August? September? whenever Microsoft did the price cut and it started jumping in Japan.

Just get over it already, this isn't about that anyway, this is my point that Gears 2 won't somehow magically convince somebody to buy a 360, when Gears of War has been out for 2 years already and Gears 2 isn't THAT much of a step up from Gears 1 to the point where it'll make people jump for joy and do a backflip for a 360.

It's a good thing i'm going on official figures then.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="angry_fork"]

No, it was steady. I think you're confusing 360 with PS3, because PS3 was growing in NA before 360 had the price cut, and now 360 is back to how it used to be.

FirstDiscovery

OK!@!!!!12W1323 OMG I MUST TYPE IN CAPITALS DAMIT PLEASE LISTEN TO ME PLEASE LOOK FOR REAL I'M SO SERIOUS FOR REAL

wtf, Shut up it's not that serious.

PS3 out-sold 360 worldwide in 2007.

PS3 out-sold 360 worldwide in 2008 until what, August? September? whenever Microsoft did the price cut and it started jumping in Japan.

Just get over it already, this isn't about that anyway, this is my point that Gears 2 won't somehow magically convince somebody to buy a 360, when Gears of War has been out for 2 years already and Gears 2 isn't THAT much of a step up from Gears 1 to the point where it'll make people jump for joy and do a backflip for a 360.

Im currently at university so i havent got the figures, but considering you dont know what you what youre talking about, you can carry on believing what you want:lol:

Ok.

you know..you guys keep on arguing about 360 vs Ps3 sales but I find the Ps2 sales far more interesting

I mean, it outsold the Ps3 2:1 in hardware and 3:1 in software sales:|

wow baby!