Sony: "Our 1st party is as large as Microsoft's and Nintendo's"

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Nintendo CAN. The just DON'T.

Thankfully we can still rely on wonderful Mario and Zelda games. But in the end it isn't much.

JLF1

That used to be true but now with Spirit tracks (looks like WTF?) and nintendos words like next zelda will take a complete different direction i am not that sure anymore. Nintendo going downhill...maybe not the sales tho.

How does a timed exclusive or a exclusive DLC compete with a whole, retail exclusive? If you have a multiplat that 360 has an exclusive DLC for, how does that compete with PS3 offering the same multiplat (minus the DLC) and a PS3 exclusive?.PoppaGamer

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Nintendo CAN. The just DON'T.

Thankfully we can still rely on wonderful Mario and Zelda games. But in the end it isn't much.

aroxx_ab

That used to be true but now with Spirit tracks (looks like WTF?) and nintendos words like next zelda will take a complete different direction i am not that sure anymore. Nintendo going downhill...maybe not the sales tho.

What's wrong with Spirit Tracks?

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]

sony needs to stop their bragging and boasting its making me sick.

SolidTy

It's really making you sick?

They are just stressing the PS3's strength, nothing wrong with that. All companies talk about what they do right, it shouldn't bother you.

IN FACT, it should make you happy as a GAMER.

MORE GREAT GAMES = GREAT FOR GAMERS.

Also, does M$'$ Greenburg bother you? That guy says A Lot of stuff

Finally, someone who isn't a biased fanboy. Great post SolidTy :)

I don't know why people say that more great games (but on different consoles) is a bad thing. Why do you want a game to flop if its not on your system? Stop trying to justify your purchase, and try to enjoy gaming more by actually getting the other consoles and games. If you feel that you aren't interested or you can't afford it, then please wait till games that interest you come out or till you can afford it.

Till then, please stop the freaking BASHING.

All companies like to brag. Its not a new thing.

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[QUOTE="JLF1"]
Well we can at least wipe our tears with the fact that those two franchises usually smokes everything else when they are released.

IronBass

That used to be true but now with Spirit tracks (looks like WTF?) and nintendos words like next zelda will take a complete different direction i am not that sure anymore. Nintendo going downhill...maybe not the sales tho.

What's wrong with Spirit Tracks?

They probably find the train aspect to be weird. I think it's a pretty interesting idea and it further takes the handheld series to newer levels; that's my opinion at least.

I was actually excited to see some of the new items, like the guardian thing Link was controlling or that item which looks like it'll use the microphone to create gust of wind.

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] How does a timed exclusive or a exclusive DLC compete with a whole, retail exclusive? If you have a multiplat that 360 has an exclusive DLC for, how does that compete with PS3 offering the same multiplat (minus the DLC) and a PS3 exclusive?.IronBass

Size is a money thing, so I don't know why SONY would even focus on that aspect. However, I will say that the creative output of the developers they do own is on a higher level than the average dev. Specially SCEJ, Naughty Dog and Insomniac.

I agree with SONY statement

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] How does a timed exclusive or a exclusive DLC compete with a whole, retail exclusive? If you have a multiplat that 360 has an exclusive DLC for, how does that compete with PS3 offering the same multiplat (minus the DLC) and a PS3 exclusive?.PoppaGamer

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="IronBass"] With a $200 price difference.IronBass

The PS3 price will come down, this year. And none of us know if MS can hold profits going much lower on their price. Byt he holiday season, the price difference will be minimal, especially when you look at what you get for your money on hardware. Then what?PoppaGamer

Sony deserves it. Nintendo found a new type of game which was good at first but then they start to milk it. Kind of like ea, maden every single year with very few improvements then charge you full price knowing the hardcore maden fans will buy it thinking its great still.

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]The PS3 price will come down, this year. And none of us know if MS can hold profits going much lower on their price. Byt he holiday season, the price difference will be minimal, especially when you look at what you get for your money on hardware. Then what?IronBass

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]The new XBOX360 Tactic has been WAY more effective instead of pumping millions into 1st party devs for games like Too Human, Banjo, Viva, etc. They are great games (and I own all of those lol ) BUT these games were supposed to sell machines.PoppaGamer

Tell that to M$, it's not my darn Strategy! :)

But we do have many industry insiders telling us the PS3 will drop sometime this year. PoppaGamer

And only common sense is needed to know that MS can only go so low with the price of the 360. It isn't made or maintained for free.PoppaGamer

As large as Microsoft & Nintendo combined

I always knew they had a large 1st party family, but dang. You know, every AAA game on GS (save for MGS4) is a 1st party title. And they have potentially more in the works. I think Nintendo and Sony are tied for quality studios. Sony is just doing more for the core gamer this gen. They always had good devs, but they entered this gen knowing they had to carry the PS3 on their own back.

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"Our development studios - the Worldwide Studios team - is as large as Microsoft and Nintendo's combined," he said, talking at GDC.

"We have a tremendously creative group, and a line-up for the next few years that will bring a lot of new IP to the market, but will also being a lot of [tried and tested] franchises and new iterations to the PS3 in particular, but also PSP," the exec added."

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• Polyphony Digital
• Team Ico
• Guerrilla Games
• SCE Santa Monica
• Zipper
• Naughty Dog
• Evolution Studios
• SCE Studio Liverpool
• SCE London Studio
• SCE Studio Cambridge
• Japan Studio
• Incognito
• Relentless Software
• Team SOHO
• Insomniac (not really but exclusive partnership)

What do yall think?

Episode_Eve

Sony's 1st party studios are tank.

Just knowing that one of those UK studios used to be (and is, with a new name)Psygnosis makes me cream my self.

on top of the 1st party, they got 2nd party studios like Insomniac, media molecule etc and good 3rd party support from kojima productions and a few others..(altho not as much as it used to be)

On top of the ones already announced, Who knows how many new games are quietly brewing in SCE's army of exclusive devs..

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]

sony needs to stop their bragging and boasting its making me sick.

fend_oblivion

It's really making you sick?

They are just stressing the PS3's strength, nothing wrong with that. All companies talk about what they do right, it shouldn't bother you.

IN FACT, it should make you happy as a GAMER.

MORE GREAT GAMES = GREAT FOR GAMERS.

Also, does M$'$ Greenburg bother you? That guy says A Lot of stuff

Finally, someone who isn't a biased fanboy. Great post SolidTy :)

I don't know why people say that more great games (but on different consoles) is a bad thing. Why do you want a game to flop if its not on your system? Stop trying to justify your purchase, and try to enjoy gaming more by actually getting the other consoles and games. If you feel that you aren't interested or you can't afford it, then please wait till games that interest you come out or till you can afford it.

Till then, please stop the freaking BASHING.

All companies like to brag. Its not a new thing.

Pepsi said they are better than COKE, and I quote :

"The Choice for a NEW Generation!"

I hate goddamn Pepsi now...:evil::P

Yeah, if one thinks about it, the Good game on one platform, could set a longterm gameplay standard for gaming, and newer games all benefit, regardless of platform. :)

I'm looking forward to what they have at E3.

Sony is in no position to brag about anything. Since last gen, they haven't been able to sell more games then their competition, they haven't been able to sell more consoles then their competition, and they can't even make any money (coming off of a -2 billion dollar fiscal year). All their "bigger" 1st party has done for them is give them a larger overhead compared to MS and NiN.

But honestly, Sony has nothing really to brag about. None of their games really outsold some of the other best selling titles like GTAIV, Call of Duty Modern Warfare and World at War, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, Wii-Play, Wii-Fit, Gears of War, and of course, Halo 3. Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't a first-party Sony game so that really doesn't count.

The best selling PS3 game so far has been Motorstorm, which is only over 3 million. But compare that to Halo 3, GTAIV, or even Super Mario Galaxy which sold over 7 million, it's nothing. And yeah, we don't know what Killzone 2's numbers are, but if there is any indication on its first week sales not even breaking 300,000 in NA whereas Halo 3 sold over 3 million in its first week, I don't think KZ2 will break records at all. I think IF Killzone 2 did break records, we'd already have heard it from Sony's press by now.

So sure, Sony can brag that they have a bigger first party team and make more games for core fans, but when you think about it, none of their games sold as much as the titles I mentioned.

I'm not discrediting Sony's first-party games. They're good games. But it's so irksome when Sony brags like this especially when they don't have the numbers to back it up. It's just as arrogant and shows they're poor sport attitude like how they said the DSi is for kids and the PSP reaches a broader audience.

ASK_Story

I still cant fathom why LBP, MGS4, Resistance 2, and Killzone 2 havent put up Halo 3 numbers. I was sure at least one of them would have, honestly.

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]

sony needs to stop their bragging and boasting its making me sick.

SolidTy

It's really making you sick?

They are just stressing the PS3's strength, nothing wrong with that. All companies talk about what they do right, it shouldn't bother you.

IN FACT, it should make you happy as a GAMER.

MORE GREAT GAMES = GREAT FOR GAMERS.

Also, does M$'$ Greenburg bother you? That guy says A Lot of stuff

Maybe if these games actually came out, I wouldn't mind. However, bragging about first party when nothing really that great has come out IMO besides Uncharted and Killzone 2.

For those who play games on XBL, it's like those kids that are doing bad and just use the lag excuse. "These kids aren't even good they're lucky it laggy"

It's just all talk.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]

sony needs to stop their bragging and boasting its making me sick.

RobNBankz

It's really making you sick?

They are just stressing the PS3's strength, nothing wrong with that. All companies talk about what they do right, it shouldn't bother you.

IN FACT, it should make you happy as a GAMER.

MORE GREAT GAMES = GREAT FOR GAMERS.

Also, does M$'$ Greenburg bother you? That guy says A Lot of stuff

Maybe if these games actually came out, I wouldn't mind. However, bragging about first party when nothing really that great has come out IMO besides Uncharted and Killzone 2.

For those who play games on XBL, it's like those kids that are doing bad and just use the lag excuse. "These kids aren't even good they're lucky it laggy"

It's just all talk.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

But honestly, Sony has nothing really to brag about. None of their games really outsold some of the other best selling titles like GTAIV, Call of Duty Modern Warfare and World at War, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, Wii-Play, Wii-Fit, Gears of War, and of course, Halo 3. Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't a first-party Sony game so that really doesn't count.

The best selling PS3 game so far has been Motorstorm, which is only over 3 million. But compare that to Halo 3, GTAIV, or even Super Mario Galaxy which sold over 7 million, it's nothing. And yeah, we don't know what Killzone 2's numbers are, but if there is any indication on its first week sales not even breaking 300,000 in NA whereas Halo 3 sold over 3 million in its first week, I don't think KZ2 will break records at all. I think IF Killzone 2 did break records, we'd already have heard it from Sony's press by now.

So sure, Sony can brag that they have a bigger first party team and make more games for core fans, but when you think about it, none of their games sold as much as the titles I mentioned.

I'm not discrediting Sony's first-party games. They're good games. But it's so irksome when Sony brags like this especially when they don't have the numbers to back it up. It's just as arrogant and shows they're poor sport attitude like how they said the DSi is for kids and the PSP reaches a broader audience.

I still cant fathom why LBP, MGS4, Resistance 2, and Killzone 2 havent put up Halo 3 numbers. I was sure at least one of them would have, honestly.

Sony is in no position to brag about anything. Since last gen, they haven't been able to sell more games then their competition, they haven't been able to sell more consoles then their competition, and they can't even make any money (coming off of a -2 billion dollar fiscal year). All their "bigger" 1st party has done for them is give them a larger overhead compared to MS and NiN.

ArchaoN

Sony is in no position to brag about anything. Since last gen, they haven't been able to sell more games then their competition, they haven't been able to sell more consoles then their competition, and they can't even make any money (coming off of a -2 billion dollar fiscal year). All their "bigger" 1st party has done for them is give them a larger overhead compared to MS and NiN.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

But honestly, Sony has nothing really to brag about. None of their games really outsold some of the other best selling titles like GTAIV, Call of Duty Modern Warfare and World at War, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, Wii-Play, Wii-Fit, Gears of War, and of course, Halo 3. Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't a first-party Sony game so that really doesn't count.

The best selling PS3 game so far has been Motorstorm, which is only over 3 million. But compare that to Halo 3, GTAIV, or even Super Mario Galaxy which sold over 7 million, it's nothing. And yeah, we don't know what Killzone 2's numbers are, but if there is any indication on its first week sales not even breaking 300,000 in NA whereas Halo 3 sold over 3 million in its first week, I don't think KZ2 will break records at all. I think IF Killzone 2 did break records, we'd already have heard it from Sony's press by now.

So sure, Sony can brag that they have a bigger first party team and make more games for core fans, but when you think about it, none of their games sold as much as the titles I mentioned.

I'm not discrediting Sony's first-party games. They're good games. But it's so irksome when Sony brags like this especially when they don't have the numbers to back it up. It's just as arrogant and shows they're poor sport attitude like how they said the DSi is for kids and the PSP reaches a broader audience.

I still cant fathom why LBP, MGS4, Resistance 2, and Killzone 2 havent put up Halo 3 numbers. I was sure at least one of them would have, honestly.

Their first party is very large. Nobody needs to be saved at this point though. All Consoles are experiencing very healthy sales. Sony is correct in saying this though, their first party is alot larger than most think.

[QUOTE="ArchaoN"][QUOTE="JediRiff"] Hey, I'm in Microsofts corner, but Sony has been doing all they can, and have put out some interesting games. The reason they havent been selling well falls squarely on their consumers, imho.

I still cant fathom why LBP, MGS4, Resistance 2, and Killzone 2 havent put up Halo 3 numbers. I was sure at least one of them would have, honestly.

JediRiff

Sony is in no position to brag about anything. Since last gen, they haven't been able to sell more games then their competition, they haven't been able to sell more consoles then their competition, and they can't even make any money (coming off of a -2 billion dollar fiscal year). All their "bigger" 1st party has done for them is give them a larger overhead compared to MS and NiN.

This is the full list of studios owned by Sony and studios that have a unique '2nd party' relationship with them:

Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios (SCE WWS)

Internally Owned Studios

Japan

Japan Studio - Ape Escape, Siren, LocoRoco, Patapon
Team ICO - Shadow of the Colossus, ICO
Clap Hanz - Everybody's Golf, Everybody's Tennis
Polyphony Digital - Gran Turismo

North America

Naughty Dog - Crash Bandicoot, Jak & Daxter, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
Santa Monica Studio - God of War
San Diego Studio - NBA, MLB: The Show
Sony Bend - Syphon Filter
Sony Online Entertainment LLC. - EverQuest
Incognito Entertainment - Warhawk, Twisted Metal
Zipper Interactive - SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs

Europe

London Studio - SingStar, Eyetoy, PlayStation Home
Studio Cambridge - MediEvil, PlayTV
Studio Liverpool - Wipeout, F1
Guerrilla Games - Killzone
Evolution Studios - MotorStorm, World Rally Championship
Bigbig Studios - Pursuit Force, MotorStorm: Arctic Edge

Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios (SCE WWS)

Third Party Studio Partners

Japan

Level-5 - White Knight Chronicles, Rogue Galaxy, Dark Cloud
Game Republic - Folklore, Genji
Q-Games - PixelJunk
Media.Vision - Wild Arms
Pyramid - Patapon
From Software - Demon's Souls

North America

Insomniac Games - Resistance, Ratchet & Clank
Sucker Punch Productions - InFamous, Sly Cooper
ThatGameCompany - Flow, Flower
Ready at Dawn Studios - God of War: Chains of Olympus, Daxter
High Impact Games - Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters, Secret Agent Clank
Eat Sleep Play - Twisted Metal: Head On
Slant Six Games

Europe

Relentless Software - Buzz!
Media Molecule - LittleBigPlanet
Ninja Theory - Heavenly Sword

[QUOTE="ArchaoN"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]Why not? They are just stating the facts, Sony have better frist party than their counterparts, maybe not better quality, but bigger quantity.CannedWorms

[QUOTE="JediRiff"][QUOTE="ArchaoN"] Are u really blaming consumers for not buying games they don't want?ArchaoN

i think overall nintendo has the most recognizable and best first party but this gen i like sonys first party games. i think sony are using their sony family first party to make it look large. they really need to depend on their first party this gen though even if most of them are a swing and a miss in the sales department

Hey, I'm calling it like I see it. If they dont want LBP, MGS4, Resistance 3, or Killzone 2, what DO they want? Pet doctor? Killzone 2 is by no means Halo, however, it does look like a good game, and if they did multiplayer right, I cant imagine why it would sell by the boatloads. So, yeah, that falls on the consumer. JediRiff

Nintendo was the best....but sadly not anymore.

But the thing is, they still can be the best if they wanted to. They just don't care anymore. All they care about is money.

ASK_Story

Missed out Sucker Punch Op.

Sonys first Partys have been great this gen. I ve really enjoyed Unchated, Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 so far. I am glad thats where they appear to be focusing there resources

[QUOTE="JediRiff"][QUOTE="ArchaoN"] They want Halo, Call of Duty, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, and Gears of War...All the games that do sell well...Consumers vote on which games are "better" or which games "interest" them more with their wallets. If a game doesn't sell as expected, you don't blame the consumer...Blame the developer and/or the publisher for not making a game the people want.

ArchaoN

Many would argue that that would go to Goldeneye and Perfect Dark on the N64. Even before then there were FPS that worked well on Consoles though nowhere near as perfectly as they work on Consoles now with Dual Analog control (which has ironically enough been around since technically the PSone controller...the small white PSone remake controller...not the original original gray PS1 controller, but the PS2 mastered it).

I think Sony has the best 1st party in the business. It's too bad it isn't going to help them as much as they need it to.

Nintendo's still is better.IronBass

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[QUOTE="JediRiff"] Hey, I'm calling it like I see it. If they dont want LBP, MGS4, Resistance 3, or Killzone 2, what DO they want? Pet doctor? Killzone 2 is by no means Halo, however, it does look like a good game, and if they did multiplayer right, I cant imagine why it would sell by the boatloads. So, yeah, that falls on the consumer. JediRiff

No they aren't. As much as people want to damage control and say "Killzone is just like Halo! They're both FPS where you mindlessly shoot the other guys!"

No, it's not. Resistance 2 is a bad COD, and Killzone is like COD but better. It's still pretty easy to get kills, but atleast you can't run around with a machine gun, make a sudden stop and have 100% accuracy with no recoil.

There isn't a game out that is like Halo, it's unique and that's why it has a large fanbase. You can't point out another game and say "oh this is just like Halo but better" because there isn't.

[QUOTE="ArchaoN"][QUOTE="JediRiff"] Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 are Halo/Gears of War-esque, they got Call of Duty, so I dont get what else they are expected to do. Puckhog04

Many would argue that that would go to Goldeneye and Perfect Dark on the N64. Even before then there were FPS that worked well on Consoles though nowhere near as perfectly as they work on Consoles now with Dual Analog control (which has ironically enough been around since technically the PSone controller...the small white PSone remake controller...not the original original gray PS1 controller, but the PS2 mastered it).

The only reason people say that is because they were the first GOOD FPS on consoles. Halo CE perfected it, sadly, Bungie strayed away from that formula because most intelligent people would agree that it was the best in the series. I'll never understand why they didn't keep the health packs or normal jumping abilities.

Oh, I think everyone, even the H3 fanboys wishes they would've kept good maps. Nobody knows why they took that out of the formula, it's almost like they intentionally wanted to screw up Halo 3.

Halo 3 sales vs. all PS3 first party game sales combined. ready go!!Zero5000X