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I just went all digital myself.
My games are all digital. My movies are now all digital thanks to Amazon and my little media server. I'm never buying another disc again.
Good riddance, dust magnet, space hogging things are so last decade. Except to console gamers I guess, who love to showcase their outdated technology purchases.
You mean that when so many of us questioned Blu-Ray when it came out because steaming services was starting off were right? :o
pride in making the correct guess aside, this is pretty bad news, abeit predictable. Certain Things are nice to have on physical, and I absolutely hate to see any of the major players in the gaming industr hurt so badly -.-
I've serious doubts that you guessed any of this in 2005.
Actually many of us did.
Sure you did. In 2005. A time in which Youtube at best was merely some months old. I'm sure in 2005 "many of you" guessed streaming would kill Bluray and therefore Sony (and these 17 other companies) were absolutely wrong in their bet.
Yeah. I'm super suuuuure it was a popular guess at the time.
Dude, hes right to a degree, a lot of people on this very board where saying that Blu-Ray wouldn't last and it was a silly idea because Digital downloads where the way of the future.
But it's 2014, not 2005. Blu-Ray has made it this far. It never really overtook DVD for lifetime sales, but it made it well into the mainstream. If not for the weird phenomenon of studios trying to make DVD+blu-ray "co-exist", blu-ray probably would have been an even better successor format.
Basically Blu-Ray is by far the format of choice for anyone that invests anything into a home theater, or actually has an interest in films. (i.e. if you want to watching something specific on the new release list, or delve deep into a certain director's catalogue or whatever... or watch an actual modern remaster of a classic film). Blu-Ray is likely the way to go for all of those scenarios. In reality, you still need to seek out physical DVD's as well the deeper you go (particularly for older catalogue movies).
Netflix is fine to just dabble in some TV shows or movies, but it's a joke if you are trying to look for specific titles... and even if they have the title it might be of grossly inferior quality (especially with older films and TV shows that are also on blu-ray).
Blu ray is still the only true way to watch a movie to it's fullest, streaming services don't provide the quality as of yet, i mean most streaming companies show movies at 720p and the sound is still bad. i'd never trust streaming services for quality, physical for me is the only way to go, plus it means i actually own that film, and not pay just to borrow the thing.
Yes Blu-Ray is the way to go if you have the system and money to by all those movies. I now only buy big budget special effect movies on Blu-Ray as I have the sound system for it. For other movies like The Hangover, Shawshank Redemption, The Godfather, Signs, Bridesmaids, etc.. you can watch on Netflix streaming. Really no need to watch those on Blu-Ray. Movies like Jurassic Park, The Matrix, Aliens, Avengers, etc.. you want to watch on Blu-Ray. Netflix is awesome and it does have a HD streaming option as well (and you can get Blu-Ray movies shipped to you.)
I'm just a collector to be quite honest, I have over 600 dvds and just over 80 blu rays (slow start) I know what you mean tho not worth it on blu ray alot of films, but then again i just see blu ray as dvds now i mean there as cheap as them in most cases so it's all good, and to stream movies and the like it's an extra monthly sub i have to put on my ever growing bills, maybe once hd is streamed to the extent of a blu ray quality i may buy into it, but until then i'm staying with blu rays for everything, but then again i have pirate bay for anything i really wanna watch.
@musicalmac: I don't want one for gaming, it's much cheaper to get a regular PC with a strong CPU/GPU for that (compared to what the Mac Pro costs) :P
What I want to know is if it's a good choice to work with graphics (think 3D visuals, Maya and that sort of stuff), progamming (both simple and heavy duty IDE's) and that sort of heavy load stuff? I know the specs by themselves are good but I don't know if it's a valid option for that. I really like the design of the machine and it would be a great solution to use at home (since it's so small) but I don't to invest that much money in something that only works "decently" for that kind of stuff :P
If you don't know the answer it's okay, just asking you since you seem pretty aware of the brand and it's products :)
Yes, you will not be disappointed. It's gotten critical acclaim for it's ability to edit 4K videos in real time full of filters and effects. For what you're describing, it'll keep you happy for many moons.
Just invest in that 4K monitor, too. Then you'll really be killing it. (Sharp makes a really good one)
As I've been saying for years physical media are dying out. Some people from older generations might still care but most tech savvy and younger people regard them as much a technological dinosaur as the betamax. Mark my words, this is the last gen that will have a disc drive and in a few years most new consoles won't have one.
Blu ray is still the only true way to watch a movie to it's fullest, streaming services don't provide the quality as of yet, i mean most streaming companies show movies at 720p and the sound is still bad. i'd never trust streaming services for quality, physical for me is the only way to go, plus it means i actually own that film, and not pay just to borrow the thing.
Yes Blu-Ray is the way to go if you have the system and money to by all those movies. I now only buy big budget special effect movies on Blu-Ray as I have the sound system for it. For other movies like The Hangover, Shawshank Redemption, The Godfather, Signs, Bridesmaids, etc.. you can watch on Netflix streaming. Really no need to watch those on Blu-Ray. Movies like Jurassic Park, The Matrix, Aliens, Avengers, etc.. you want to watch on Blu-Ray. Netflix is awesome and it does have a HD streaming option as well (and you can get Blu-Ray movies shipped to you.)
I don't look at it as only needing to watch "action" movies in blu-ray.
There are some classic films that look insanely good on blu-ray (On the Waterfront, Lawrence of Arabia, Blade Runner, Taxi Driver, Godfather Trilogy, and hundreds of others). Just because it doesn't feature a high end 7.1 audio track, doesn't mean that watching in blu-ray isn't a total game changer over another source. At the end of the day, I'd rather have a nice diversity of "all time favorite" movies to watch in their best possible source, rather than a collection of just loud action movies that I might not care about in a few years time.
However obviously you can't just "buy" everything - so I generally look to Netflix/Hulu+/Amazon to see what they have streaming, and if it's a movie I'm sort of lukewarm about - I will check it out there first before wasting the $$$. Something like the Avengers I might buy, but something like Dredd or GI Joe... I was glad i just checked it out on Netflix.
@musicalmac: I don't want one for gaming, it's much cheaper to get a regular PC with a strong CPU/GPU for that (compared to what the Mac Pro costs) :P
What I want to know is if it's a good choice to work with graphics (think 3D visuals, Maya and that sort of stuff), progamming (both simple and heavy duty IDE's) and that sort of heavy load stuff? I know the specs by themselves are good but I don't know if it's a valid option for that. I really like the design of the machine and it would be a great solution to use at home (since it's so small) but I don't to invest that much money in something that only works "decently" for that kind of stuff :P
If you don't know the answer it's okay, just asking you since you seem pretty aware of the brand and it's products :)
Yes, you will not be disappointed. It's gotten critical acclaim for it's ability to edit 4K videos in real time full of filters and effects. For what you're describing, it'll keep you happy for many moons.
Just invest in that 4K monitor, too. Then you'll really be killing it. (Sharp makes a really good one)
You're still paying a premium for the Apple logo. You can build something with the same specs for cheaper in the PC world. I'd only consider apple if programming in native objective C is something you have to do. Heck even then you can just run OSX on your PC by dual booting it (make sure you purchase an intel processor and an Nvidia GPU), or buy a cheaper, powerful PC and then pick up a cheapo, second hand Mac mini for development. You cna also develop for IOS with c#/c++ on windows via third pary API's like the monodevelop offerings.
As I've been saying for years physical media are dying out. Some people from older generations might still care but most tech savvy and younger people regard them as much a technological dinosaur as the betamax. Mark my words, this is the last gen that will have a disc drive and in a few years most new consoles won't have one.
True, but it will probably be highly damaging to the market itself.
Look what happened to the music industry after Napster/Itunes/etc. The digital space grew market share, but as digital grew in market share OVERALL sales went on a severe slide. It has been highly destructive to talent, and anyone but the most commercial acts to be able to actually make a living.
For me personally, the change in music industry didn't effect me much since I only ever bought about 5-10 CD's per year max anyway. Now I might buy 2 CD's because I'm largely disinterested, I've still *NEVER* paid for an album on itunes and hopefully never will (my itunes library is almost entirely created from my old CD's, and a few times that I got free gift cards to use). I've currently moved over to Android for my phone anyway, but still don't' use Google's store to actually buy anything...just free apps and services.
As I've been saying for years physical media are dying out. Some people from older generations might still care but most tech savvy and younger people regard them as much a technological dinosaur as the betamax. Mark my words, this is the last gen that will have a disc drive and in a few years most new consoles won't have one.
True, but it will probably be highly damaging to the market itself.
Look what happened to the music industry after Napster/Itunes/etc. The digital space grew market share, but as digital grew in market share OVERALL sales went on a severe slide. It has been highly destructive to talent, and anyone but the most commercial acts to be able to actually make a living.
For me personally, the change in music industry didn't effect me much since I only ever bought about 5-10 CD's per year max anyway. Now I might buy 2 CD's because I'm largely disinterested, I've still *NEVER* paid for an album on itunes and hopefully never will (my itunes library is almost entirely created from my old CD's, and a few times that I got free gift cards to use). I've currently moved over to Android for my phone anyway, but still don't' use Google's store to actually buy anything...just free apps and services.
Napster was really harmful because it allowed industrial scale piracy and the industry had no concept of how to adapt or counter it. Digital music sales have in fact revitalised an industry that was teetering on collapse and have actually reduced piracy from the days of napster. And as it happens its now much easier for talent to find a niche thanks to digital sales and online viral marketing and word of mouth and places like Youtube. For films I think Netflix has something like 7 mil subscribers and no idea what amazon prime and the others have been a boom industry for TV and film. Hell even HBO has found resounding success with HBO GO.
In terms of gaming, DD was been a massive success on the PC and mobile gaming, what makes you think it will be any different on consoles? People are simply afraid of change.
@musicalmac: Ah, cool beans. Is that the same 4k monitor they suggest in their online store? It's more expensive than the base model of the Mac Pro lol
Hehe, yep and yep...
As I've been saying for years physical media are dying out. Some people from older generations might still care but most tech savvy and younger people regard them as much a technological dinosaur as the betamax. Mark my words, this is the last gen that will have a disc drive and in a few years most new consoles won't have one.
True, but it will probably be highly damaging to the market itself.
Look what happened to the music industry after Napster/Itunes/etc. The digital space grew market share, but as digital grew in market share OVERALL sales went on a severe slide. It has been highly destructive to talent, and anyone but the most commercial acts to be able to actually make a living.
For me personally, the change in music industry didn't effect me much since I only ever bought about 5-10 CD's per year max anyway. Now I might buy 2 CD's because I'm largely disinterested, I've still *NEVER* paid for an album on itunes and hopefully never will (my itunes library is almost entirely created from my old CD's, and a few times that I got free gift cards to use). I've currently moved over to Android for my phone anyway, but still don't' use Google's store to actually buy anything...just free apps and services.
Napster was really harmful because it allowed industrial scale piracy and the industry had no concept of how to adapt or counter it. Digital music sales have in fact revitalised an industry that was teetering on collapse and have actually reduced piracy from the days of napster. And as it happens its now much easier for talent to find a niche thanks to digital sales and online viral marketing and word of mouth and places like Youtube. For films I think Netflix has something like 7 mil subscribers and no idea what amazon prime and the others have been a boom industry for TV and film. Hell even HBO has found resounding success with HBO GO.
In terms of gaming, DD was been a massive success on the PC and mobile gaming, what makes you think it will be any different on consoles? People are simply afraid of change.
1st off, I never even mentioned consoles or PC or mobile gaming in my post. I buy digital games when it's cheap enough. I'm sure I have well over than 100 across the various services. The key word is "when they are cheap enough". I think the same applies to me with movies and music. I might buy digital goods for $3 or $5, but not for $20. Especially in the case of movies and music where the "digital" version is an inferior product (at least with games you are getting the same product, generally games are going to be bit-for-bit the same product... unlike music which is mostly going to be compressed as an MP3 file... movies are at a far more compressed bitrate than blu-ray... and sometimes not even taken from the latest restoration...)
Secondly, while it's true that Napster was the 1st major assault on the music industry, going digital hardly "revitialized" the industry. It seems more that it simply slowed it's collapse from the attacks of piracy. I'm not saying that the industry had any other options, considering how mainstream piracy was at that time... I'm just saying that it wasn't a complete substitute. Going from buying full albums, to $.99 songs was still highly damaging. The old revenues from full albums, were not being replaced by new "digital" revenues. I'm sure I've read that in the last few years, even DIGITAL revenues have been on the decline. So not only is the overall music industry continuing to shrink, but even the one growth area (digital sales) are also now starting to go on a downward trend as well. I guess we can thank Pandora and Spotify for that... the cut the artists are getting is getting smaller and smaller.
I think the same problem will apply to games and movies, if there is a rush to go digital it will be a race to the bottom in terms of quality. Do we really want to use the mobile games model as our benchmark? (where free and $.99 games rule?). Fortunately with movies, there is at least still the idea of a "box office", so that big productions will probably always have to exist to satisfy theaters...but it might be hard to justify restoration and preservation of old films to support a $.99 sales model, or to eek out some pennies from a streaming service.
As I've been saying for years physical media are dying out. Some people from older generations might still care but most tech savvy and younger people regard them as much a technological dinosaur as the betamax. Mark my words, this is the last gen that will have a disc drive and in a few years most new consoles won't have one.
True, but it will probably be highly damaging to the market itself.
Look what happened to the music industry after Napster/Itunes/etc. The digital space grew market share, but as digital grew in market share OVERALL sales went on a severe slide. It has been highly destructive to talent, and anyone but the most commercial acts to be able to actually make a living.
For me personally, the change in music industry didn't effect me much since I only ever bought about 5-10 CD's per year max anyway. Now I might buy 2 CD's because I'm largely disinterested, I've still *NEVER* paid for an album on itunes and hopefully never will (my itunes library is almost entirely created from my old CD's, and a few times that I got free gift cards to use). I've currently moved over to Android for my phone anyway, but still don't' use Google's store to actually buy anything...just free apps and services.
Napster was really harmful because it allowed industrial scale piracy and the industry had no concept of how to adapt or counter it. Digital music sales have in fact revitalised an industry that was teetering on collapse and have actually reduced piracy from the days of napster. And as it happens its now much easier for talent to find a niche thanks to digital sales and online viral marketing and word of mouth and places like Youtube. For films I think Netflix has something like 7 mil subscribers and no idea what amazon prime and the others have been a boom industry for TV and film. Hell even HBO has found resounding success with HBO GO.
In terms of gaming, DD was been a massive success on the PC and mobile gaming, what makes you think it will be any different on consoles? People are simply afraid of change.
1st off, I never even mentioned consoles or PC or mobile gaming in my post. I buy digital games when it's cheap enough. I'm sure I have well over than 100 across the various services. The key word is "when they are cheap enough". I think the same applies to me with movies and music. I might buy digital goods for $3 or $5, but not for $20. Especially in the case of movies and music where the "digital" version is an inferior product (at least with games you are getting the same product, generally games are going to be bit-for-bit the same product... unlike music which is mostly going to be compressed as an MP3 file... movies are at a far more compressed bitrate than blu-ray... and sometimes not even taken from the latest restoration...)
Secondly, while it's true that Napster was the 1st major assault on the music industry, going digital hardly "revitialized" the industry. It seems more that it simply slowed it's collapse from the attacks of piracy. I'm not saying that the industry had any other options, considering how mainstream piracy was at that time... I'm just saying that it wasn't a complete substitute. Going from buying full albums, to $.99 songs was still highly damaging. The old revenues from full albums, were not being replaced by new "digital" revenues. I'm sure I've read that in the last few years, even DIGITAL revenues have been on the decline. So not only is the overall music industry continuing to shrink, but even the one growth area (digital sales) are also now starting to go on a downward trend as well. I guess we can thank Pandora and Spotify for that... the cut the artists are getting is getting smaller and smaller.
I think the same problem will apply to games and movies, if there is a rush to go digital it will be a race to the bottom in terms of quality. Do we really want to use the mobile games model as our benchmark? (where free and $.99 games rule?). Fortunately with movies, there is at least still the idea of a "box office", so that big productions will probably always have to exist to satisfy theaters...but it might be hard to justify restoration and preservation of old films to support a $.99 sales model, or to eek out some pennies from a streaming service.
I simply used mobile gaming as part of an example. PC gaming is booming with an incredibly diverse array of gaming which is the same market as consoles rather than mobile gaming which is hamstrung by hardware and input limitations.
Hopefully Sony will get better
Thank god I grew up in a world before the internet and am not addicted to any of this digital crap or smartphones. LOL at 2000's kids who get anxiety attacks when they lose their cell phone for a whole 30 seconds. hahaha.
If video games/movies/music go 100% digital, then I will simply quit buying them. I am not going all digital. Physical is the best. I like the fact I can own something and sell it later. Can't sell digital crap.
The only way they might get people like me on the digital train is if they offered a way to sell back the digital content so I can get back some money like 30%-50% like I do now for my physical games. But that will never happen. :(
u should keep up with the news...its already on the thinking board at Microsoft supposedly.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-considering-allowing-users-to-resell-digital-games/1100-6413770/
"Tipster suggests survey could hint at possible new game marketplace; if true, users may be able to buy and sell digital games.
Microsoft may be considering the introduction of a virtual marketplace that could allow users to buy and resell Xbox One digital purchases"
That was before MS decided to shit can their whole vision of the Xbone, after being humiliated and knocked the **** out at E3.
oh and from your credible source:
Microsoft may be considering the introduction of a virtual marketplace that could allow users to buy and resell Xbox One digital purchases, according to a reportedly leaked survey by a user on the NeoGAFforums.(lol)
I thought Lems hated CBOAT?
LOL
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/microsoft-may-allow-users-to-loan-and-gift-digital-xbox-one-games-in-the-future/
"Spencer told GameSpot at GDC that Microsoft still “totally believe in that future” and we may see these features return. We believe in a digital future on our box,” he said. ”On the digital space, and the things that we’ve talked about, what that opens up…like we understand what games you own and who you are and how you move around and who you might want to loan rights to your games or gift your games to.
“We totally believe in that future. And any other marketplace you play in, these kind of mechanisms are out there.
“We are now fully heads down on thinking about and building out the future of our digital marketplace to enable what people would expect, and hopefully some things that will delight them beyond their expectations,” he added."
SSHHHHHHHHHHHH, smh lol.
@Desmonic: oh Desmoronic...stop it, lol.
yeah sure..lol I bet MS will totally do that..lol
"“I know when I say this I always get beat up, but I think some of what we were trying to say last summer was right,” Spencer said in regards to Microsoft’s previous Xbox One digital game model."
Good to see that Spencer acknowledges that SONY humiliated them and knocked them the **** out. That's the first step in the healing process.
Now you SHHHHHHH..lolz
Thank god I grew up in a world before the internet and am not addicted to any of this digital crap or smartphones. LOL at 2000's kids who get anxiety attacks when they lose their cell phone for a whole 30 seconds. hahaha.
If video games/movies/music go 100% digital, then I will simply quit buying them. I am not going all digital. Physical is the best. I like the fact I can own something and sell it later. Can't sell digital crap.
The only way they might get people like me on the digital train is if they offered a way to sell back the digital content so I can get back some money like 30%-50% like I do now for my physical games. But that will never happen. :(
u should keep up with the news...its already on the thinking board at Microsoft supposedly.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-considering-allowing-users-to-resell-digital-games/1100-6413770/
"Tipster suggests survey could hint at possible new game marketplace; if true, users may be able to buy and sell digital games.
Microsoft may be considering the introduction of a virtual marketplace that could allow users to buy and resell Xbox One digital purchases"
That was before MS decided to shit can their whole vision of the Xbone, after being humiliated and knocked the **** out at E3.
oh and from your credible source:
Microsoft may be considering the introduction of a virtual marketplace that could allow users to buy and resell Xbox One digital purchases, according to a reportedly leaked survey by a user on the NeoGAFforums.(lol)
I thought Lems hated CBOAT?
LOL
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/microsoft-may-allow-users-to-loan-and-gift-digital-xbox-one-games-in-the-future/
"Spencer told GameSpot at GDC that Microsoft still “totally believe in that future” and we may see these features return. We believe in a digital future on our box,” he said. ”On the digital space, and the things that we’ve talked about, what that opens up…like we understand what games you own and who you are and how you move around and who you might want to loan rights to your games or gift your games to.
“We totally believe in that future. And any other marketplace you play in, these kind of mechanisms are out there.
“We are now fully heads down on thinking about and building out the future of our digital marketplace to enable what people would expect, and hopefully some things that will delight them beyond their expectations,” he added."
SSHHHHHHHHHHHH, smh lol.
@Desmonic: oh Desmoronic...stop it, lol.
yeah sure..lol I bet MS will totally do that..lol
"“I know when I say this I always get beat up, but I think some of what we were trying to say last summer was right,” Spencer said in regards to Microsoft’s previous Xbox One digital game model."
Good to see that Spencer acknowledges that SONY humiliated them and knocked them the **** out. That's the first step in the healing process.
Now you SHHHHHHH..lolz
O_o......XD
@tymeservesfate:
On a serious note, I dont think they'll ever allow family sharing of full games, maybe demos, trials or whatever. I can't see them saying 1 person can buy a game and then they can share it with 10 friends.
If they do, add me to Live so I dont have to buy games for the Xbone. XD
@tymeservesfate:
On a serious note, I dont think they'll ever allow family sharing of full games, maybe demos, trials or whatever. I can't see them saying 1 person can buy a game and then they can share it with 10 friends.
If they do, add me to Live so I dont have to buy games for the Xbone. XD
who knows...they seem to be trying to work something out. and P. Spencer seems to think what they're coming up with will be pretty great...but who knows. it could all disappear again. but i'm sure most gamers would love having the option to share, gift, or resell their digital games if given the option too.
whats the difference between doing this and PSN Plus giving away like 8 "free" games a month though?
@tymeservesfate:
On a serious note, I dont think they'll ever allow family sharing of full games, maybe demos, trials or whatever. I can't see them saying 1 person can buy a game and then they can share it with 10 friends.
If they do, add me to Live so I dont have to buy games for the Xbone. XD
who knows...they seem to be trying to work something out. and P. Spencer seems to think what they're coming up with will be pretty great...but who knows. it could all disappear again. but i'm sure most gamers would love having the option to share, gift, or resell their digital games if given the option too.
whats the difference between doing this and PSN Plus giving away like 8 "free" games a month though?
PSN requires 40-$50 a year and the games given away for the most part are older retail games. I just don't see that working with brand new AAA games like Halo5.
Since I own an X1, I'd welcome it, but I'm not expecting it.
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