SONY VS Microsoft... SONY is making money.. MS Gaming Division ISN'T!

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]Sony isn't making money on the PSP.  And they're definintely not making money off the PS3.  their profits are coming from the PS2 (if there are any net profits at all).  If you keep the conversation purely in the context of nextGen gaming, I'd have to believe Microsoft is much more profitable at this point.  or at least...they're losing a lot less money.Ahammer80

DUDE microsoft's gaming division was last reported at a 5 billion dollar loss, the PSP is making a profit by now, its been nearly 3 years, im sure they are making something off the PSP by now

[QUOTE="jrhawk42"][QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]

[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]Whats your gamertag Ahammer? I asked you in another thread but you never answered.waynehead895

Protip to myself: I don't think he has a 360.

actually he had posted his gamertag under his other profile (mcdonaldsguy), and if he posts it again he'll just get banned again. Ahammer has been trolling the system wars forums long before I was here under various names.

hammerofjustice is one of them?

no probably not (though he is a fanboy), the reason being HoJ actually took time to rate games, and is still an active member.

it's most likly his other profiles are keywii, nicklikeswii, mcdonaldsguy, and/or sonyismyhomey.  It seems when each of these accounts got banned a new major cow would appear posting tons of mindless threads everyday.  They all seem to follow the same logic/format and they even claim to own a 360 (mcdonaldsguy is the only one that posted a gamertag)   He's probably had some other profiles along the way but these are the only ones I remember.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Ahammer80"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

It isn't a night in SW without AHammer making a Positive PS3/ 360 or MS bashing thread.

Way to go AHammer and keeping it up

Ahammer80

Dude this is system wars. This is what these forums are for, for people to debate about which they think is the better console in their opinion. Im not "trolling" im not coming in here with BOGUS statements just for the sole purpose to troll or annoy people, im simply doing what system wars is made for.. Debating on why I think my console of choice is better i admit its my OPINION

I would disagree. Look at many of your past threads. many of them just flat out was there to annoy people and you kept at it like sometimes with 5 threads a night bashing the PS3. Keep it up dude if you wanna follow certain posters and their fate.

Debating is fine but starting so many threads and being such a huge fanboy but pretending you're not and that you like Sony a lot more is hilarious. Just admit you hate the 360 and MS cause all you do is bash it or find negatives but yet claim "no no I have a 360 and I like it a lot " like you did in PM's to me yet your posts couldn't be further from that kind of thinking

Actually dude, Wouldnt it be more of a chance of me being banned if i talked about something else other than console VS console?! I mean the mods here seem to be real strickt about not posting off topic subjects and what not. The fact remains is this is system wars, what else am i suppose to post about? If i think of a good topic.. I post it, simple as that. Show me the rules I am breaking since you are so sure I will get banned. Im not using profanity, obscenities, name calling, typing titles in all caps etc, so what rules am i breaking?!

Well as you asked. You do troll.. a lot. With threads claimings things about the 360 and bashing them based on your opinion almost always and you do this all the time. At one time it was like 4-5 threads a night like this and that's trolling.

And also you had one talking about Kane & lynch and Blu Ray. This is system wars not format wars 

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

It isn't a night in SW without AHammer making a Positive PS3/ 360 or MS bashing thread.

Way to go AHammer and keeping it up

PaintballinDude

Seirously. You complain about everything. Dont come to system wars if you dun like it :lol:

Hey troll what's up. Following me are you? Nice 

You cannot possibly claim that sony is anywhere near as rich as microsoft.  Microsoft kills sony in profits, with sony losing money in all its divisions due to horrible tv sales (complaints that other companies making tvs too cheap) and the battery recalls.  Not to mention the loss of money due to ps3.  Microsoft is in the black, sony is going into the red big time, and it can be shown by changing of president and laying off of employess that sony has been doing.

Learn Business. 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]Sony isn't making money on the PSP. And they're definintely not making money off the PS3. their profits are coming from the PS2 (if there are any net profits at all). If you keep the conversation purely in the context of nextGen gaming, I'd have to believe Microsoft is much more profitable at this point. or at least...they're losing a lot less money.Ahammer80

DUDE microsoft's gaming division was last reported at a 5 billion dollar loss, the PSP is making a profit by now, its been nearly 3 years, im sure they are making something off the PSP by now

Microsoft lost 5 billion with the xbox to establish itself in the gaming industry, not a bad loss i say when you entering the industry, i mean some who have entered the industry have gone bankrupt, sony got damn lucky when they entered the industry to not have suffered a hugh profit loss. However with sony they have currently pumped something like 2 billion into the development, production, advertising, etc of the psp to gain a foothold in the handheld market and they have been doing that at a loss.

why? simple because having two consoles on the market will net you a bigger income then one, hell nintendos been doing it for years. Now the ps3 has had a alot more billions pumped into its research, development, production (even had to make the production machines to build the ps3 internal hardware), advertising, etc then the psp, ps2 and psone combined, its why sony shareholders at so scared right now because if ps3 doesn't garner the same success as the psone and ps2 then its a mammoth loss on sonys end.

Everything in the world of business is a risk, everything runs the marathon of failure or success and everything costs you an arm and a leg, your family, there children and the pets too.

Money means nothing and everything in business, thats how the game is played. 

[QUOTE="vistamanV5"]Ms is about 4x more profitable the sony...gnutux

 Wow!!! You need a lesson in basic stocks 101.... I don't even have to look at your links to know you are completely wacked!!! Stock price has nothing to do with how much a company is worth. Take a peek at MARKET CAPITALIZATION.  That is what the company is worth not the fact Sony's stock is in the 50's and Microsoft's is in the high 20's.

 Companies issue vastly different quantities of shares at different prices.

 Basically the FACTS are....

Sony is worth $54 billion

Microsoft is worth $281 billion

 Don't feel bad though... few people really know how stocks work.

Why do cows keep going back to the PS2???

The PS2 is soooo last gen, and will see it's sales quickly decline this year. GOW 2 came, and now the PS2 doesn't have anything else to look forward to, except a painful death.

Sony's future in it's gaming division is with the PS3, and Sony is taking a royal spanking with this overpriced console, and the PSP is far from a success. 

Lets come back in 2 years and see how Sony's gaming division is doing.

And where did you get this "proof" from?

Do more real research buddy.

 Sony's gaming division has been in the red since Q3 of 2006 and gets deeper every month. Sony is about to release their earnings and they should be at about 2 billion in the red. The ps2 and the psp doesn't compensate for the extreme lose the ps3 adds to their gaming division. This is the reason why you will not see a price drop anytime soon.

 And all you have to do is look at their earnings reports to get the info if you know how to read them.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/index.html

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/default.mspx

You can look back over the years of reports and figure out this information.

Sony will release their info up through march 31st on may 16 and Ms will release theirs this thursday.

Whats your gamertag Ahammer? I asked you in another thread but you never answered.Metroid_Time

 I'd also like to know this, and if you do post your gamertag AHammer make sure you change your motto (to AHammer or something) so we know its actually you ;)

And your basing this on information coming from? Your ass?Led_poison

What he said is not totally wrong, but what he forgot, is that along with Sony making money in all this things he said, Microsoft is doing tons of billions, in all the other things he didn't said, did anybody say Windows?, or maybe Sony is planning to do a new Accolade, c'mon, be realistic guys!, PS3 isn't gonna make it on the short term, and there's not a phisical proof (besides the faulty X360s-that you can count on that, because have a solution), that the PS3 is a better console than the MS's one. Actually all the information above, he did get it from... read the quote.

ONE very important and over looked factor people seem to be forgetting here is Microsoft's gaming division hasnt turned a profit yet ever since the Xbox came out whereas sony's game division has been profitable for several years now. They made tons of Profits on PSone Hardware AND software, STILL making tons of profit on PS2 Hardware/Software and im pretty sure the PSP is profitable now as well. Sure you might say "but microsoft has all the money in the world, who cares if the gaming division is not profitable" well first off I can assure you while MS has lots of money yes but they DONT have all the money in the world. You do understand that if something ever happened to Microsoft's core business, that the first division to bite the dust would be the least profitable division.. The gaming Division.

And also taking into consideration the expense MS has to pay to fix the faulty 360s and paying for shipping costs as well. Ofcourse im not naive and I even realize that the chances of microsoft EVER getting in any kind of financial trouble is very very slim BUT the fact lies is IF they ever got in trouble financially, i can guarantee the first division shareholders would vote off is the gaming division. While the PS3 itself might be losing money for now, the PS2 and PSone was so profitable not including blu ray selling really well, they can actually afford to take a loss on the PS3 and STILL BE PROFITABLE! While again, MS hasnt been profitable ever since the Xbox came out.

Really people are overlooking this aspect but it is a very very important aspect. Bottom line is Sony's gaming division has been profitable for over several years now whil MS has NOT

Ahammer80

For a person who states he is "not a fanboy" you certainly make a whole lot of posts bashing M$ and the 360.  Don't forgot on this topic that M$ has plenty of $$$ from other divisions and are looking for a foothold int his industry.  M$ is doing much better this time around and even making money of the 360 now.  Lame attempt to bash. 

Would like to throw in from one of my old blogs(please go and read it;) ) That MS's Game division stil has to make back the 4 Billions they lost on the original Xbox.trasherhead

why? MS doesn't mind losing money in the short term to make money in the long term. MS are not like Sony who can't afford to take giant hits over a sustained period. Plus how much is MS recouping each year in XBL? It improves its brand name with consumers and opens up new avenues of future revenue.

EDIT: I hate to tell you this but your blog is about as accurate as a Sony press release. Link to where the 360 is selling for a $200 loss? Improvements in manufacturing efficiency now means that the 360 is running around a $75 profit per console if I remember rightly. Plus gold suscribers, XBL transactions and a vastly larger user base means that the 360 is running at a decent profit whereas the PS3 is a black hole in terms of Sony losing money. You are right that the Wii is, and will be, the most profitable system.

EDITED for link: 360 cost $323 to make in Dec of '06 so I'm assuming its cheaper since then, PS3 build estimated at $840. I picked this link so no one in their right mind can call it biased, its a pro-Mac site :D

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/12/01.9.shtml

AHammer...u can take down that sig of ur "setup", we all know ur a sony fanboy who never had a 360...no1 in their right mind hates something they spend $400 on that much,

You are in ur right mind...right?

ONE very important and over looked factor people seem to be forgetting here is Microsoft's gaming division hasnt turned a profit yet ever since the Xbox came out whereas sony's game division has been profitable for several years now. They made tons of Profits on PSone Hardware AND software, STILL making tons of profit on PS2 Hardware/Software and im pretty sure the PSP is profitable now as well. Sure you might say "but microsoft has all the money in the world, who cares if the gaming division is not profitable" well first off I can assure you while MS has lots of money yes but they DONT have all the money in the world. You do understand that if something ever happened to Microsoft's core business, that the first division to bite the dust would be the least profitable division.. The gaming Division.

And also taking into consideration the expense MS has to pay to fix the faulty 360s and paying for shipping costs as well. Ofcourse im not naive and I even realize that the chances of microsoft EVER getting in any kind of financial trouble is very very slim BUT the fact lies is IF they ever got in trouble financially, i can guarantee the first division shareholders would vote off is the gaming division. While the PS3 itself might be losing money for now, the PS2 and PSone was so profitable not including blu ray selling really well, they can actually afford to take a loss on the PS3 and STILL BE PROFITABLE! While again, MS hasnt been profitable ever since the Xbox came out.

Really people are overlooking this aspect but it is a very very important aspect. Bottom line is Sony's gaming division has been profitable for over several years now whil MS has NOT

Ahammer80

It isn't a night in SW without AHammer making a Positive PS3/ 360 or MS bashing thread.

Way to go AHammer and keeping it up 

kcpp2b

Boycott threads you feel are trolling, its the best way to stop them. Trolls crave attention and by posting in such threads all you do is bump them to the top. If you don't like a thread, ignore it so mindless drivel falls off the first few pages reasonably quickly.

AHammer...u can take down that sig of ur "setup", we all know ur a sony fanboy who never had a 360...no1 in their right mind hates something they spend $400 on that much,

You are in ur right mind...right?

 

ApocalypseXIVV

:lol: Great call.  Call it like you see it. 

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If you are talking about the 360 vs. the PS3 I am pretty sure MS is making money

Ahammer80

I dont think 360 is quite at the profit point yet, However they MIGHT be close to the "break even" point BUT paying to fix and ship the faulty 360s is what is holding them back

Where are people getting this crap from.   Last I remember hearing, based on official year/quarter end numbers, the PS3 lost money for Sony.  I don't think even the PS2 helped Sony make money.   Meanwhile the 360 was losing the same amount of money the Xbox lost every single quarter. 

Both companies, as of last numbers, were losing money.  I don't know where people are getting this crap about either company making money or even breaking even.

[QUOTE="Ahammer80"][QUOTE="Evo310whp"]

If you are talking about the 360 vs. the PS3 I am pretty sure MS is making money

Rosencrantz

I dont think 360 is quite at the profit point yet, However they MIGHT be close to the "break even" point BUT paying to fix and ship the faulty 360s is what is holding them back

Where are people getting this crap from. Last I remember hearing, based on official year/quarter end numbers, the PS3 lost money for Sony. I don't think even the PS2 helped Sony make money. Meanwhile the 360 was losing the same amount of money the Xbox lost every single quarter.

Both companies, as of last numbers, were losing money. I don't know where people are getting this crap about either company making money or even breaking even.

It is a fact that M$ is making money of each 360 sold.  As a whole, the gaming division maybe losing money; however, M$ is slowly turing things around.  Oh and I am sure Sony will be fine too, once the kinks are worked out.