Sony: We will lose $60 per every PS4 sold. So buy our games this time cows.

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"]If 100,000 people buy the PS4 without a PS+ Subscription, that's a 6 million dollar loss. Probably shouldn't try to be cheaper than the One if that's your sacrifice. ShaineTheNerd

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] 6 million is a lot yes. But to a company as big as Sony or Microsoft it's not all that much. Especially considering it's not just a loss, it's an investment.Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] That's a good point. But, look at the 360. 77+ million consoles were sold, but there are only around 40 million Live members, right? If the PS4 saw those exact numbers, because some people have no plans to purchase a membership, would that mean a loss of (30m*60=)1,800,000,000? That's a lot of money. I guess more market share means more Sony published games.ShaineTheNerd

They can at least count on the millions of CoD fans to pay for online.

CoD Ghosts will be a top seller on the PS4 this holiday 

hopefully the PS+ subscriptions and the 1st party titles make up for that, otherwise Sony doesn't have many assets to sell before their liability meets their assettslamprey263

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] 6 million is a lot yes. But to a company as big as Sony or Microsoft it's not all that much. Especially considering it's not just a loss, it's an investment.

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] PS3 and Xbox 360 are like 1 million+ apart with 360 in lead. Use PSN+ numbers to determine how the PS4 will do with online. Actually nevermind, because the results would not be the same since PSN MP won't be free this time.treedoor

They can at least count on the millions of CoD fans to pay for online.

CoD Ghosts will be a top seller on the PS4 this holiday 

Perhaps I'm missing something, but why are people saying they lose $60 per PS4 sold?

If you buy 1 game, you think Sony gets $60? Isn't the reality like they get 10 dollars per game sold, regardless of the developer/publisher? Even if they sell a PS+, you think that $50 is pure profit?

Sony always amazed me with how much they are losing and still can keep going . I am planning on getting a PS4 soon after launch if there are no malfunctions of major problem with the hardware,

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[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

Meanwhile xbox one sell at profit ,i hate seeing microsoft getting rich and richer every year while sony have to sell their assets to survive :cry: 

http://www.develop-online.net/news/45288/Xbox-One-to-sell-at-a-profit

Jonwh18

Good god. No wonder the value just isn't there. 

yup 

sony actually said 'cows'?

Lol Cows buying games. :lol: bbkkristian

sony actually said 'cows'?

Zaibach

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Lol Cows buying games. :lol: stayhigh1

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

sony actually said 'cows'?

Jonwh18

legalize82?

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

sony actually said 'cows'?

psymon100

legalize82?

If they offer the same kind of quality, just more, then it won't be an issue.

If the game giveaways with PSN+ are as good as people say they are that's quite a bit of encouragement not to buy games.

$60 loss per console? Thats not good at all considering thats just the "cost of sales"

Once you take into account everything else like distribution, marketing, wages, depreciation....the loss becomes quite substantial and they will need to sell alot more games and online subscriptions to come out on top.

Every game sold does not = $60-$70 in their pocket as they will only see a small portion of that and even then it has its own indirect costs associated with the sale.

Sony is taking a big risk here once again. Considering these consoles are weak as piss, i doubt they will have the long term life of the previous generation.

Microsoft have learnt their lesson and are breakeven or might even profit from every console sold.

$60 loss per console? Thats not good at all considering thats just the "cost of sales"

 

Once you take into account everything else like distribution, marketing, wages, depreciation....the loss becomes quite substantial and they will need to sell alot more games and online subscriptions to come out on top.

 

Every game sold does not = $60-$70 in their pocket as they will only see a small portion of that and even then it has its own indirect costs associated with the sale.

 

Sony is taking a big risk here once again. Considering these consoles are weak as piss, i doubt they will have the long term life of the previous generation.

 

Microsoft have learnt their lesson and are breakeven or might even profit from every console sold.

 

 

 

 

Evo_nine

Guess you couldn't even read the first paragraph of the OP...

$60 loss per console? Thats not good at all considering thats just the "cost of sales"

 

Once you take into account everything else like distribution, marketing, wages, depreciation....the loss becomes quite substantial and they will need to sell alot more games and online subscriptions to come out on top.

 

Every game sold does not = $60-$70 in their pocket as they will only see a small portion of that and even then it has its own indirect costs associated with the sale.

 

Sony is taking a big risk here once again. Considering these consoles are weak as piss, i doubt they will have the long term life of the previous generation.

 

Microsoft have learnt their lesson and are breakeven or might even profit from every console sold.

 

 

 

 

Evo_nine

It's really not that bad. Both the current gen consoles were losing hundreds at launch.

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

$60 loss per console? Thats not good at all considering thats just the "cost of sales"

Once you take into account everything else like distribution, marketing, wages, depreciation....the loss becomes quite substantial and they will need to sell alot more games and online subscriptions to come out on top.

Every game sold does not = $60-$70 in their pocket as they will only see a small portion of that and even then it has its own indirect costs associated with the sale.

Sony is taking a big risk here once again. Considering these consoles are weak as piss, i doubt they will have the long term life of the previous generation.

Microsoft have learnt their lesson and are breakeven or might even profit from every console sold.

StrifeDelivery

Guess you couldn't even read the first paragraph of the OP...

Sony will have no problems making money with the PS4. PS+ will see to that.

/thread

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

$60 loss per console? Thats not good at all considering thats just the "cost of sales"

Once you take into account everything else like distribution, marketing, wages, depreciation....the loss becomes quite substantial and they will need to sell alot more games and online subscriptions to come out on top.

Every game sold does not = $60-$70 in their pocket as they will only see a small portion of that and even then it has its own indirect costs associated with the sale.

Sony is taking a big risk here once again. Considering these consoles are weak as piss, i doubt they will have the long term life of the previous generation.

Microsoft have learnt their lesson and are breakeven or might even profit from every console sold.

Wickerman777

It's really not that bad. Both the current gen consoles were losing hundreds at launch.

For a company with negative current assets, this is big risk IMo.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

$60 loss per console? Thats not good at all considering thats just the "cost of sales"

 

Once you take into account everything else like distribution, marketing, wages, depreciation....the loss becomes quite substantial and they will need to sell alot more games and online subscriptions to come out on top.

 

Every game sold does not = $60-$70 in their pocket as they will only see a small portion of that and even then it has its own indirect costs associated with the sale.

 

Sony is taking a big risk here once again. Considering these consoles are weak as piss, i doubt they will have the long term life of the previous generation.

 

Microsoft have learnt their lesson and are breakeven or might even profit from every console sold.

 

 

 

 

Evo_nine

It's really not that bad. Both the current gen consoles were losing hundreds at launch.

For a company with negative current assets, this is big risk IMo.

Even if this is true it not much of risk when PS+ and one game has them in the black.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

$60 loss per console? Thats not good at all considering thats just the "cost of sales"

 

Once you take into account everything else like distribution, marketing, wages, depreciation....the loss becomes quite substantial and they will need to sell alot more games and online subscriptions to come out on top.

 

Every game sold does not = $60-$70 in their pocket as they will only see a small portion of that and even then it has its own indirect costs associated with the sale.

 

Sony is taking a big risk here once again. Considering these consoles are weak as piss, i doubt they will have the long term life of the previous generation.

 

Microsoft have learnt their lesson and are breakeven or might even profit from every console sold.

 

 

 

 

Evo_nine

It's really not that bad. Both the current gen consoles were losing hundreds at launch.

I'm not so sure they won't be taking a loss themselves. Despite being weaker they're spending just as much if not more on their APU as Sony is. And I expect that $500 price to drop fairly quickly after they get their clock cleaned early on.

[QUOTE="stayhigh1"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Lol Cows buying games. :lol: Spartan070

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

It's really not that bad. Both the current gen consoles were losing hundreds at launch.

Wickerman777

I'm not so sure they won't be taking a loss themselves. Despite being weaker they're spending just as much if not more on their APU as Sony is. And I expect that $500 price to drop fairly quickly after they get their clock cleaned early on.

Well they said it themselves.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/06/at-500-microsoft-says-the-xbox-one-will-break-even-or-make-a-profit/

But it looks like this also doesnt take into account indirect costs associated with the console production.

However they are off to a better start than Sony, who will need to sell more games, more subscriptions just to breakeven.

This is probably why microsoft wants to appeal to more than just gamers, as doing so is not profitable.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"] no. Xbox1 will be breakeven or profit. PS4 will lose $60 on every console, they are taking a risk in being a loss leader. Evo_nine

I'm not so sure they won't be taking a loss themselves. Despite being weaker they're spending just as much if not more on their APU as Sony is. And I expect that $500 price to drop fairly quickly after they get their clock cleaned early on.

Well they said it themselves.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/06/at-500-microsoft-says-the-xbox-one-will-break-even-or-make-a-profit/

But it looks like this also doesnt take into account indirect costs associated with the console production.

However they are off to a better start than Sony, who will need to sell more games, more subscriptions just to breakeven.

This is probably why microsoft wants to appeal to more than just gamers, as doing so is not profitable.

So you are saying the PS4 won't be proftiable for Sony? $60 is nothing once the production cost go down it will be pure profit from the start before adding PS+ and any game to the equation.

It's not that big of a loss compared to the PS3's, and the risk isn't as big this time around since there isn't any format war. There's a lot of ways Sony can break even and make a profit or at least minimize their loss like the PS+ subscriptions, PS4 accessories, etc. They'll be fine.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

$60 loss per console? Thats not good at all considering thats just the "cost of sales"

 

Once you take into account everything else like distribution, marketing, wages, depreciation....the loss becomes quite substantial and they will need to sell alot more games and online subscriptions to come out on top.

 

Every game sold does not = $60-$70 in their pocket as they will only see a small portion of that and even then it has its own indirect costs associated with the sale.

 

Sony is taking a big risk here once again. Considering these consoles are weak as piss, i doubt they will have the long term life of the previous generation.

 

Microsoft have learnt their lesson and are breakeven or might even profit from every console sold.

 

 

 

 

Evo_nine

Guess you couldn't even read the first paragraph of the OP...

How about reading the OP again: "According to what Eurogamer has heard from well-placed sources, Sony is expecting a $60 loss on each PS4 sold.
This was quickly denied by Masayasu Ito, Sony Japan's executive." Again, not $60. I already made a post about this back on around page 3. Jeez, seems people just read the OP and not even read through the whole thread.

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I'm not so sure they won't be taking a loss themselves. Despite being weaker they're spending just as much if not more on their APU as Sony is. And I expect that $500 price to drop fairly quickly after they get their clock cleaned early on.

StrongBlackVine

Well they said it themselves.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/06/at-500-microsoft-says-the-xbox-one-will-break-even-or-make-a-profit/

But it looks like this also doesnt take into account indirect costs associated with the console production.

However they are off to a better start than Sony, who will need to sell more games, more subscriptions just to breakeven.

This is probably why microsoft wants to appeal to more than just gamers, as doing so is not profitable.

So you are saying the PS4 won't be proftiable for Sony? $60 is nothing once the production cost go down it will be pure profit from the start before adding PS+ and any game to the equation.

If 100,000 people buy the PS4 without a PS+ Subscription, that's a 6 million dollar loss. Probably shouldn't try to be cheaper than the One if that's your sacrifice. ShaineTheNerd

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

Well they said it themselves.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/06/at-500-microsoft-says-the-xbox-one-will-break-even-or-make-a-profit/

But it looks like this also doesnt take into account indirect costs associated with the console production.

However they are off to a better start than Sony, who will need to sell more games, more subscriptions just to breakeven.

This is probably why microsoft wants to appeal to more than just gamers, as doing so is not profitable.

Evo_nine

So you are saying the PS4 won't be proftiable for Sony? $60 is nothing once the production cost go down it will be pure profit from the start before adding PS+ and any game to the equation.

Irrelevant since Sony said that number was false. You play financial statements while I play games.