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#51 todd2r
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I love how there's no happy medium on this subject. You have the hardcore Lems saying "Sony is doomed", and then you gave the hardcore cows with their Sony panties on saying "they are fine, they aren't going anywhere". Fact is Sony is in trouble. Will that mean the end if Playstation? Doubt it. But cows can't keep denying that they aren't in trouble. I doubt the president and CEOs and CFOs and UFOs and Cheerios and shareholders aren't sitting around saying "we are fine, we arent going anywhere".
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#52 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"] http://truthdive.com/2011/11/03/sony-warns-of-4th-annual-loss.html http://advanced-television.com/index.php/2011/11/02/sony-warns-of-4th-annual-loss/ http://www.financial-news.co.uk/3446/2011/11/sony-warns-on-fourth-annual-loss-as-tv-sales-plummet/ http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/article/idINL4E7M22KN20111102 http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-12-26/hardware/30558565_1_lcd-panels-sony-shares-sony-corp They are alredy downsizing, and you are a good bloke but you need to do your research sunshine, they have been loosing money for 4 straight years runningCanYouDiglt

I could just as easily find some dumb links to sites that say MS or Wal Mart is losing, doesn't prove anything. I could just as easliy find the opposite if I wanted to.

Are you really that blinded by the love for Sony or are you just trolling?

-4 years posting lose in profit

-stocks have dropped by 51% in the last year

-$13 billion in debt

-credit score was just downgraded

-They are selling off assests like Spiderman merchandising and LSD because they need money fast

-revenue growth is negative 9%

This list could go on but the bottom line is Sony is in a very bad state. They are not making anything that is leading in any of the products including gaming.

MS went into debt due to the RROD fiasco and they have made losses in other areas. Doesn't mean they are going out of business, you can find things about any company and point out a dooms day scenerio. Also I doubt you even know what your talking about because your lingo is kinda confusing, likehow do you knowa companies credit score being downgraded? You can find things like stocks (which you are also wrong about) but not so much revenue or credit score.

Iknow your a blind lem who is upset that he has no games to play anymore besides Kinect, but you can do better can't you? I can bet you that we will see a PS4 andthe Vita willstay around, whatI can't betonthough is that MS will haveany more 1st party devswhen theyrelease the next xbox and that they still won't befocusing on Kinect. No one is going anywhere.

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#53 Teuf_
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And now comes the part where everyone in SW is a financial analyst, :)

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#54 Slashless
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Why would I want a company that provides entertainment to millions of peopke(like myself) to go under?

That's just selfish :/

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#55 delta3074
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I could just as easily find some dumb links to sites that say MS or Wal Mart is losing, doesn't prove anything. I could just as easliy find the opposite if I wanted to.

ShadowMoses900

Are you really that blinded by the love for Sony or are you just trolling?

-4 years posting lose in profit

-stocks have dropped by 51% in the last year

-$13 billion in debt

-credit score was just downgraded

-They are selling off assests like Spiderman merchandising and LSD because they need money fast

-revenue growth is negative 9%

This list could go on but the bottom line is Sony is in a very bad state. They are not making anything that is leading in any of the products including gaming.

MS went into debt due to the RROD fiasco and they have made losses in other areas. Doesn't mean they are going out of business, you can find things about any company and point out a dooms day scenerio. Also I doubt you even know what your talking about because your lingo is kinda confusing, likehow do you knowa companies credit score being downgraded? You can find things like stocks (which you are also wrong about) but not so much revenue or credit score.

Iknow your a blind lem who is upset that he has no games to play anymore besides Kinect, but you can do better can't you? I can bet you that we will see a PS4 andthe Vita willstay around, whatI can't betonthough is that MS will haveany more 1st party devswhen theyrelease the next xbox and that they still won't befocusing on Kinect. No one is going anywhere.

MS are posting annual PROFITS though, not annual LOSSES, besides the point , i have provided evidence, provide evidence that proves me wrong, i dare you. http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2011/11/07/sony-credit-rating-downgraded-might-be-worse-than-mine/ http://elder-geek.com/2011/11/standard-and-poors-downgrades-sonys-credit-rating/ http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/threads/378075-Sony-credit-rating-downgraded http://www.megagames.com/news/sony%E2%80%99s-credit-rating-downgraded-account-ongoing-losses http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/sony-credit-rating-downgraded/087195
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#56 delta3074
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And now comes the part where everyone in SW is a financial analyst, :)

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does a BTEC national diploma in business and finance count?
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#57 Newhopes
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Sony just aren't competitive anymore most of their divisions are getting hammered.

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#58 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

Are you really that blinded by the love for Sony or are you just trolling?

-4 years posting lose in profit

-stocks have dropped by 51% in the last year

-$13 billion in debt

-credit score was just downgraded

-They are selling off assests like Spiderman merchandising and LSD because they need money fast

-revenue growth is negative 9%

This list could go on but the bottom line is Sony is in a very bad state. They are not making anything that is leading in any of the products including gaming.

delta3074

MS went into debt due to the RROD fiasco and they have made losses in other areas. Doesn't mean they are going out of business, you can find things about any company and point out a dooms day scenerio. Also I doubt you even know what your talking about because your lingo is kinda confusing, likehow do you knowa companies credit score being downgraded? You can find things like stocks (which you are also wrong about) but not so much revenue or credit score.

Iknow your a blind lem who is upset that he has no games to play anymore besides Kinect, but you can do better can't you? I can bet you that we will see a PS4 andthe Vita willstay around, whatI can't betonthough is that MS will haveany more 1st party devswhen theyrelease the next xbox and that they still won't befocusing on Kinect. No one is going anywhere.

MS are posting annual PROFITS though, not annual LOSSES, besides the point , i have provided evidence, provide evidence that proves me wrong, i dare you. http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2011/11/07/sony-credit-rating-downgraded-might-be-worse-than-mine/ http://elder-geek.com/2011/11/standard-and-poors-downgrades-sonys-credit-rating/ http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/threads/378075-Sony-credit-rating-downgraded http://www.megagames.com/news/sony%E2%80%99s-credit-rating-downgraded-account-ongoing-losses

lol internet tough guy eh? I'm too lazy to post things and they never work when I do anyway, people alwyas ignore it and it's a pain for me to work it, I always get errors and it never works. But trust me, you can find things about any company, you do this alot because it suits you argument just like you do with Lems of Noobs and Digital Fanboy. Your links don't do anything but to comfort you, everyone else laughs.

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#59 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

And now comes the part where everyone in SW is a financial analyst, :)

delta3074

does a BTEC national diploma in business and finance count?

I'm Jewish, so I'm pretty sure I know more about financisthan you. Gentiles can't handle money, silly goy.

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#60 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Are you really that blinded by the love for Sony or are you just trolling?

-4 years posting lose in profit

-stocks have dropped by 51% in the last year

-$13 billion in debt

-credit score was just downgraded

-They are selling off assests like Spiderman merchandising and LSD because they need money fast

-revenue growth is negative 9%

This list could go on but the bottom line is Sony is in a very bad state. They are not making anything that is leading in any of the products including gaming.

ShadowMoses900

MS went into debt due to the RROD fiasco and they have made losses in other areas. Doesn't mean they are going out of business, you can find things about any company and point out a dooms day scenerio. Also I doubt you even know what your talking about because your lingo is kinda confusing, likehow do you knowa companies credit score being downgraded? You can find things like stocks (which you are also wrong about) but not so much revenue or credit score.

Iknow your a blind lem who is upset that he has no games to play anymore besides Kinect, but you can do better can't you? I can bet you that we will see a PS4 andthe Vita willstay around, whatI can't betonthough is that MS will haveany more 1st party devswhen theyrelease the next xbox and that they still won't befocusing on Kinect. No one is going anywhere.

MS are posting annual PROFITS though, not annual LOSSES, besides the point , i have provided evidence, provide evidence that proves me wrong, i dare you. http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2011/11/07/sony-credit-rating-downgraded-might-be-worse-than-mine/ http://elder-geek.com/2011/11/standard-and-poors-downgrades-sonys-credit-rating/ http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/threads/378075-Sony-credit-rating-downgraded http://www.megagames.com/news/sony%E2%80%99s-credit-rating-downgraded-account-ongoing-losses QUOTE]

lol internet tough guy eh? I'm too lazy to post things and they never work when I do anyway, people alwyas ignore it and it's a pain for me to work it, I always get errors and it never works. But trust me, you can find things about any company, you do this alot because it suits you argument just like you do with Lems of Noobs and Digital Fanboy. Your links don't do anything but to comfort you, everyone else laughs.

i won't ignore you, i am man enoguh to admit i am wrong if you prove it, but i know you can't, all the links i have posted where just the first page, there are hundreds of links all saying the same thing and unless you are prepared to say every financial institute on the planet is lying then i am right,why? because i don't say anything without doing my research first, and i research thoroughly,it's the system wars ethos, system warriors back up there arguments with proof, i know you respect SONY but you need to face the truth, they are getting hammered in nearly every market, most companys do not survive loosing money for four years in a row, and no, everyone laughs at you shadow, because they all know my links are legitimate and you argue against them with nothing to back up your arguments, and you can find anything about any company, it's illegal for them not to put there financial position into the public domain, are you seriously trying to tell me that every link i posted was a lie? that every company or fanancial institution is lying? take off your tin hat mate, wake up and smell the ashes.
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#61 Newhopes
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I could just as easily find some dumb links to sites that say MS or Wal Mart is losing, doesn't prove anything. I could just as easliy find the opposite if I wanted to.

ShadowMoses900

Are you really that blinded by the love for Sony or are you just trolling?

-4 years posting lose in profit

-stocks have dropped by 51% in the last year

-$13 billion in debt

-credit score was just downgraded

-They are selling off assests like Spiderman merchandising and LSD because they need money fast

-revenue growth is negative 9%

This list could go on but the bottom line is Sony is in a very bad state. They are not making anything that is leading in any of the products including gaming.

MS went into debt due to the RROD fiasco and they have made losses in other areas. Doesn't mean they are going out of business, you can find things about any company and point out a dooms day scenerio. Also I doubt you even know what your talking about because your lingo is kinda confusing, likehow do you knowa companies credit score being downgraded? You can find things like stocks (which you are also wrong about) but not so much revenue or credit score.

Iknow your a blind lem who is upset that he has no games to play anymore besides Kinect, but you can do better can't you? I can bet you that we will see a PS4 andthe Vita willstay around, whatI can't betonthough is that MS will haveany more 1st party devswhen theyrelease the next xbox and that they still won't befocusing on Kinect. No one is going anywhere.

The big difference is MS as a whole is in profit and has $56 billion cash reserves, Sony on the other hand is into it's 4th straight year of heavy loses($3 billion for 2011) has a debt of $13 billion but only has $7 Billion in free cash.

But you showed just how pathetic you are by turning it into a personally attack.

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#62 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

And now comes the part where everyone in SW is a financial analyst, :)

ShadowMoses900

does a BTEC national diploma in business and finance count?

I'm Jewish, so I'm pretty sure I know more about financisthan you. Gentiles can't handle money, silly goy.

my grandfather was a german jew, escaped from germany and came over here to fight with the british against the germans, on my dads side, the Samwells, we came over here in 1066 with william, we where jewish money lenderers to the crown, my anscestor sir thomas samwell was the first baronet and MP for northampton, england, the town i currently reside in,look up sir thomas samwell on wikipedia if you don't belive me, google 'samwell family crest' it's two red squirrels back to back. you can't even spell finances correctly dude.
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#63 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"]

I've seen a few of these threads. Do you really believe this? Or want this? Isn't a competitive market a good thing?

heeeeeeeeeweeee

you thought it was a good idea to make another thread?|

I'm just asking about this. Do people really want this, or are they just trolling?
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#64 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]does a BTEC national diploma in business and finance count?delta3074

I'm Jewish, so I'm pretty sure I know more about financisthan you. Gentiles can't handle money, silly goy.

my grandfather was a german jew, escaped from germany and came over here to fight with the british against the germans, on my dads side, the Samwells, we came over here in 1066 with william, we where jewish money lenderers to the crown, my anscestor sir thomas samwell was the first baronet and MP for northampton, england, the town i currently reside in,look up sir thomas samwell on wikipedia if you don't belive me, google 'samwell family crest' it's two red squirrels back to back.

That post was a joke, I am Jewish though and some of my family lived in England for a short time. They were fleeing persecution from "The Pale" (paleof settlement) and fled to the east part of london with other Jewish immigrants (I think bright/white chapel area is what it was called)they later moved to Germany (huge mistake) and came to the US and settled in Florida.

I also have some family in Israel. Glad you have some interesting family history, that is cool. My last name is Kasminski, which is polish/jewish descent. I also have great respect for the English military and the UK in general, they stood up to the Nazis and helped create Israel and the UK is a country in Europe I want to visit again because the people there are fun and freindly. Other European Countries don't like Americans and they don't like Jews.

But simply having a money lending background doesn't mean your an expert about Sony financis, and I don't think yourlyingbut your just looking for what you want to see/hear. Sonyis doing fine.

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#65 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

Are you really that blinded by the love for Sony or are you just trolling?

-4 years posting lose in profit

-stocks have dropped by 51% in the last year

-$13 billion in debt

-credit score was just downgraded

-They are selling off assests like Spiderman merchandising and LSD because they need money fast

-revenue growth is negative 9%

This list could go on but the bottom line is Sony is in a very bad state. They are not making anything that is leading in any of the products including gaming.

Newhopes

MS went into debt due to the RROD fiasco and they have made losses in other areas. Doesn't mean they are going out of business, you can find things about any company and point out a dooms day scenerio. Also I doubt you even know what your talking about because your lingo is kinda confusing, likehow do you knowa companies credit score being downgraded? You can find things like stocks (which you are also wrong about) but not so much revenue or credit score.

Iknow your a blind lem who is upset that he has no games to play anymore besides Kinect, but you can do better can't you? I can bet you that we will see a PS4 andthe Vita willstay around, whatI can't betonthough is that MS will haveany more 1st party devswhen theyrelease the next xbox and that they still won't befocusing on Kinect. No one is going anywhere.

The big difference is MS as a whole is in profit and has $56 billion cash reserves, Sony on the other hand is into it's 4th straight year of heavy loses($3 billion for 2011) has a debt of $13 billion but only has $7 Billion in free cash.

But you showed just how pathetic you are by turning it into a personally attack.

I "attacked" MS in a way, I didn't attack anyone personally. Let me guess, you work for MS? That's the only way someone can be offended by that. And your also wrong.

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There are some ppl that seem to want sony to go under.

Dont know how that could be a good thing though... less competition means that other companies will feed you more crap

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#67 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

And now comes the part where everyone in SW is a financial analyst, :)

ShadowMoses900

does a BTEC national diploma in business and finance count?

I'm Jewish, so I'm pretty sure I know more about financisthan you. Gentiles can't handle money, silly goy.

China says Hi. Anyway, ethnic background issues should not be in system wars.

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#68 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm Jewish, so I'm pretty sure I know more about financisthan you. Gentiles can't handle money, silly goy.

ShadowMoses900

my grandfather was a german jew, escaped from germany and came over here to fight with the british against the germans, on my dads side, the Samwells, we came over here in 1066 with william, we where jewish money lenderers to the crown, my anscestor sir thomas samwell was the first baronet and MP for northampton, england, the town i currently reside in,look up sir thomas samwell on wikipedia if you don't belive me, google 'samwell family crest' it's two red squirrels back to back.

That post was a joke, I am Jewish though and some of my family lived in England for a short time. They were fleeing persecution from "The Pale" (paleof settlement) and fled to the east part of london with other Jewish immigrants (I think bright/white chapel area is what it was called)they later moved to Germany (huge mistake) and came to the US and settled in Florida.

I also have some family in Israel. Glad you have some interesting family history, that is cool. My last name is Kasminski, which is polish/jewish descent. I also have great respect for the English military and the UK in general, they stood up to the Nazis and helped create Israel and the UK is a country in Europe I want to visit again because the people there are fun and freindly. Other European Countries don't like Americans and they don't like Jews.

But simply having a money lending background doesn't mean your an expert about Sony financis, and I don't think yourlyingbut your just looking for what you want to see/hear. Sonyis doing fine.

so having the equivelent of 4 A levels in business and finance doesn't make me an expert on finances? what a strange world you live in when being qualified in something means you are not qualified in something, don't be to fond of what you think the UK did for the state of isreal, it is far more complicated than that, if you look through history the jews actually uses suicide bombers to try and gain independence from britain and we gave all our weapons to the palestinians when we left, we may have freed the jews from the nazi's but we opressed izreal for a few years and when we left we supported the wrong country, suffice it to say i am not proud of what my country did and i fully support isreal as a fully recognised state and fully support them in there war against people who would see the state of isreal destroyed, my country is thankfully a different country now thank god.
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#69 Riverwolf007
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you would have to be frikkin stupid to want them to go belly up.

hell, even if they don't show up for a few years after they launch ps4 like they didn't after launching the ps3 it is better than them not being around at all.

i would rather see "just wait" version 2.0 than for them to go out of business or not try to field another console.

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I don't think sony will go under, but we'll likely see a lot of restructuring/downsizing over the next several years. Sony has some really good sofware they'd do so much better pulling out of the hardware and just making games for pc/nintendo/xbox

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#71 clone01
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I don't think sony will go under, but we'll likely see a lot of restructuring/downsizing over the next several years. Sony has some really good sofware they'd do so much better pulling out of the hardware and just making games for pc/nintendo/xbox

savagetwinkie
Aren't PS3s profitable now?
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#72 delta3074
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]does a BTEC national diploma in business and finance count?ronvalencia

I'm Jewish, so I'm pretty sure I know more about financisthan you. Gentiles can't handle money, silly goy.

China says Hi. Anyway, ethnic background issues should not be in system wars.

Hello china, britain is most pleased to make your aqquaintance *salutes*
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#73 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]my grandfather was a german jew, escaped from germany and came over here to fight with the british against the germans, on my dads side, the Samwells, we came over here in 1066 with william, we where jewish money lenderers to the crown, my anscestor sir thomas samwell was the first baronet and MP for northampton, england, the town i currently reside in,look up sir thomas samwell on wikipedia if you don't belive me, google 'samwell family crest' it's two red squirrels back to back.delta3074

That post was a joke, I am Jewish though and some of my family lived in England for a short time. They were fleeing persecution from "The Pale" (paleof settlement) and fled to the east part of london with other Jewish immigrants (I think bright/white chapel area is what it was called)they later moved to Germany (huge mistake) and came to the US and settled in Florida.

I also have some family in Israel. Glad you have some interesting family history, that is cool. My last name is Kasminski, which is polish/jewish descent. I also have great respect for the English military and the UK in general, they stood up to the Nazis and helped create Israel and the UK is a country in Europe I want to visit again because the people there are fun and freindly. Other European Countries don't like Americans and they don't like Jews.

But simply having a money lending background doesn't mean your an expert about Sony financis, and I don't think yourlyingbut your just looking for what you want to see/hear. Sonyis doing fine.

so having the equivelent of 4 A levels in business and finance doesn't make me an expert on finances? what a strange world you live in when being qualified in something means you are not qualified in something, don't be to fond of what you think the UK did for the state of isreal, it is far more complicated than that, if you look through history the jews actually uses suicide bombers to try and gain independence from britain and we gave all our weapons to the palestinians when we left, we may have freed the jews from the nazi's but we opressed izreal for a few years and when we left we supported the wrong country, suffice it to say i am not proud of what my country did and i fully support isreal as a fully recognised state and fully support them in there war against people who would see the state of isreal destroyed, my country is thankfully a different country now thank god.

Doesn't matter, the past is the past and your one of the good guys (good guys support state of Israel rightto exist, the bad guys don't). Your degrees in whatever A business levelsmeans (I have no idea) is cool and all. Still doesn't make you an expert on Sony and I know they'll be fine, your going to see PS4, you just don't want to for some reason.

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#74 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm Jewish, so I'm pretty sure I know more about financisthan you. Gentiles can't handle money, silly goy.

delta3074

China says Hi. Anyway, ethnic background issues should not be in system wars.

Hello china, britain is most pleased to make your aqquaintance *salutes*

I don't salute Commies, sorry. And I'm being serious.

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I don't think sony will go under, but we'll likely see a lot of restructuring/downsizing over the next several years. Sony has some really good sofware they'd do so much better pulling out of the hardware and just making games for pc/nintendo/xbox

clone01

Aren't PS3s profitable now?

i know they were when they did the redesign, but now with the price drop I dont know.

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I don't think sony will go under, but we'll likely see a lot of restructuring/downsizing over the next several years. Sony has some really good sofware they'd do so much better pulling out of the hardware and just making games for pc/nintendo/xbox

clone01
Aren't PS3s profitable now?

yes it is, there gaming division is doing OK but SONY is getting hammered everywhere else, mainly due to samsung and Apple, they have already sold there stake in LCD tv's which is a good start, personally i think they should downsize to just entertainment like there movies and playstation division, the playstation division is still strong and movies are still selling, just not there TV's and Mobiles, i said it before, going into 3D is a huge risk, it has failed several times before, the demand for it just isn't there at the current price level.
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I don't think sony will go under, but we'll likely see a lot of restructuring/downsizing over the next several years. Sony has some really good sofware they'd do so much better pulling out of the hardware and just making games for pc/nintendo/xbox

delta3074

Aren't PS3s profitable now?

yes it is, there gaming division is doing OK but SONY is getting hammered everywhere else, mainly due to samsung and Apple, they have already sold there stake in LCD tv's which is a good start, personally i think they should downsize to just entertainment like there movies and playstation division, the playstation division is still strong and movies are still selling, just not there TV's and Mobiles, i said it before, going into 3D is a huge risk, it has failed several times before, the demand for it just isn't there at the current price level.

link to them selling ps3's at a profit after the the sales drop please.

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I don't think sony will go under, but we'll likely see a lot of restructuring/downsizing over the next several years. Sony has some really good sofware they'd do so much better pulling out of the hardware and just making games for pc/nintendo/xbox

clone01

Aren't PS3s profitable now?

Yep, they were selling the PS3 fat at a loss but they came out with the slim and it's making them profit again. People who argue otherwise are lems, just ignore them. They don't know what they are talking about.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

That post was a joke, I am Jewish though and some of my family lived in England for a short time. They were fleeing persecution from "The Pale" (paleof settlement) and fled to the east part of london with other Jewish immigrants (I think bright/white chapel area is what it was called)they later moved to Germany (huge mistake) and came to the US and settled in Florida.

I also have some family in Israel. Glad you have some interesting family history, that is cool. My last name is Kasminski, which is polish/jewish descent. I also have great respect for the English military and the UK in general, they stood up to the Nazis and helped create Israel and the UK is a country in Europe I want to visit again because the people there are fun and freindly. Other European Countries don't like Americans and they don't like Jews.

But simply having a money lending background doesn't mean your an expert about Sony financis, and I don't think yourlyingbut your just looking for what you want to see/hear. Sonyis doing fine.

ShadowMoses900

so having the equivelent of 4 A levels in business and finance doesn't make me an expert on finances? what a strange world you live in when being qualified in something means you are not qualified in something, don't be to fond of what you think the UK did for the state of isreal, it is far more complicated than that, if you look through history the jews actually uses suicide bombers to try and gain independence from britain and we gave all our weapons to the palestinians when we left, we may have freed the jews from the nazi's but we opressed izreal for a few years and when we left we supported the wrong country, suffice it to say i am not proud of what my country did and i fully support isreal as a fully recognised state and fully support them in there war against people who would see the state of isreal destroyed, my country is thankfully a different country now thank god.

Doesn't matter, the past is the past and your one of the good guys (good guys support state of Israel rightto exist, the bad guys don't). Your degrees in whatever A business levelsmeans (I have no idea) is cool and all. Still doesn't make you an expert on Sony and I know they'll be fine, your going to see PS4, you just don't want to for some reason.

i think you are misunderstanding me, i DO want to see a Ps4, i go with whatever console i think is best at the time and the Ps1 is the best console of all time imo, i don't think SONY will fail and they will not get rid of there playstation division it one of the only divisions making profit, they need to get risd of the divisions that are bleeding them dry, there TV division being the worst one if you read any of the links i posted, even in my origianl post i quite clearly stated that i don't think they will go under, i DO expect them do downsize and they have already started by selling there stake in LCD tv's which was a very wise move in my opinion, i am just calling it the way it is, i don't want to see anyone go under because that means that people will lose there jobs.
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="clone01"] Aren't PS3s profitable now?ForzaGearsFace

yes it is, there gaming division is doing OK but SONY is getting hammered everywhere else, mainly due to samsung and Apple, they have already sold there stake in LCD tv's which is a good start, personally i think they should downsize to just entertainment like there movies and playstation division, the playstation division is still strong and movies are still selling, just not there TV's and Mobiles, i said it before, going into 3D is a huge risk, it has failed several times before, the demand for it just isn't there at the current price level.

link to them selling ps3's at a profit after the the sales drop please.

Wait your back? What about your other accounts? And I think I know who you really are btw, I think your LoosingEnds.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="clone01"] Aren't PS3s profitable now?ForzaGearsFace

yes it is, there gaming division is doing OK but SONY is getting hammered everywhere else, mainly due to samsung and Apple, they have already sold there stake in LCD tv's which is a good start, personally i think they should downsize to just entertainment like there movies and playstation division, the playstation division is still strong and movies are still selling, just not there TV's and Mobiles, i said it before, going into 3D is a huge risk, it has failed several times before, the demand for it just isn't there at the current price level.

link to them selling ps3's at a profit after the the sales drop please.

http://www.tssznews.com/2011/05/26/sony-playstation-division-posts-profit-for-fy2011/ http://uk.gamespot.com/psp/action/littlebigplanet/news/6315481/sony-posts-317-billion-loss-playstation-division-sees-434-million-profit
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I don't think sony will go under, but we'll likely see a lot of restructuring/downsizing over the next several years. Sony has some really good sofware they'd do so much better pulling out of the hardware and just making games for pc/nintendo/xbox

ShadowMoses900

Aren't PS3s profitable now?

Yep, they were selling the PS3 fat at a loss but they came out with the slim and it's making them profit again. People who argue otherwise are lems, just ignore them. They don't know what they are talking about.

truth hurts and being in last place has simply made you lose your mind. Deal with Microsoft winning, you are gonna have to get used to it. NPD gonna swallow your pride again this friday?

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]so having the equivelent of 4 A levels in business and finance doesn't make me an expert on finances? what a strange world you live in when being qualified in something means you are not qualified in something, don't be to fond of what you think the UK did for the state of isreal, it is far more complicated than that, if you look through history the jews actually uses suicide bombers to try and gain independence from britain and we gave all our weapons to the palestinians when we left, we may have freed the jews from the nazi's but we opressed izreal for a few years and when we left we supported the wrong country, suffice it to say i am not proud of what my country did and i fully support isreal as a fully recognised state and fully support them in there war against people who would see the state of isreal destroyed, my country is thankfully a different country now thank god.delta3074

Doesn't matter, the past is the past and your one of the good guys (good guys support state of Israel rightto exist, the bad guys don't). Your degrees in whatever A business levelsmeans (I have no idea) is cool and all. Still doesn't make you an expert on Sony and I know they'll be fine, your going to see PS4, you just don't want to for some reason.

i think you are misunderstanding me, i DO want to see a Ps4, i go with whatever console i think is best at the time and the Ps1 is the best console of all time imo, i don't think SONY will fail and they will not get rid of there playstation division it one of the only divisions making profit, they need to get risd of the divisions that are bleeding them dry, there TV division being the worst one if you read any of the links i posted, even in my origianl post i quite clearly stated that i don't think they will go under, i DO expect them do downsize and they have already started by selling there stake in LCD tv's which was a very wise move in my opinion, i am just calling it the way it is, i don't want to see anyone go under because that means that people will lose there jobs.

Nah Ithink you do, you always post things against PS3, you never post anything good about it. Like all your Digital Fanboy links about how PS3sucks or all the ones about your silly PS3 end of the world links, anyone can do links. I just don't because they don't prove anything to anyone, so it's pointless. Your hear in SW, it's all a giant game of fanboys where everything here is overexaggerated and wrong, and we are all fanboys to some degree (including you). Only person who isn't fanboy is me and my friend The MajorMayor.

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The only people who actually believe that are ForzaGearsFace and his 20 alts (so just FGF).

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#85 ForzaGearsFace
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@delta :roll:

those LINKS were before the price drop, I wonder what and if they are selling at a loss when they had to drop the price fo the PS3 50 dollars just to keep their heads above water for the holiday season in which they still got swamped.

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#86 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Doesn't matter, the past is the past and your one of the good guys (good guys support state of Israel rightto exist, the bad guys don't). Your degrees in whatever A business levelsmeans (I have no idea) is cool and all. Still doesn't make you an expert on Sony and I know they'll be fine, your going to see PS4, you just don't want to for some reason.

ShadowMoses900

i think you are misunderstanding me, i DO want to see a Ps4, i go with whatever console i think is best at the time and the Ps1 is the best console of all time imo, i don't think SONY will fail and they will not get rid of there playstation division it one of the only divisions making profit, they need to get risd of the divisions that are bleeding them dry, there TV division being the worst one if you read any of the links i posted, even in my origianl post i quite clearly stated that i don't think they will go under, i DO expect them do downsize and they have already started by selling there stake in LCD tv's which was a very wise move in my opinion, i am just calling it the way it is, i don't want to see anyone go under because that means that people will lose there jobs.

Nah Ithink you do, you always post things against PS3, you never post anything good about it. Like all your Digital Fanboy links about how PS3sucks or all the ones about your silly PS3 end of the world links, anyone can do links. I just don't because they don't prove anything to anyone, so it's pointless. Your hear in SW, it's all a giant game of fanboys where everything here is overexaggerated and wrong, and we are all fanboys to some degree (including you). Only person who isn't fanboy is me and my friend The MajorMayor.

really? i think you should check my posting history and the many time i have said i love killzone 2 and infamous, also the fact that i believ the Ps3 is marginally more powerful and UC3 is the best looking game on consoles, i hate the controller yes and i prefer the 360's game library, but if you think i bash the Ps3 then you really don't know me at all,and you and majormayor are huge fanboys (i hope that was a joke).
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i think you are misunderstanding me, i DO want to see a Ps4, i go with whatever console i think is best at the time and the Ps1 is the best console of all time imo, i don't think SONY will fail and they will not get rid of there playstation division it one of the only divisions making profit, they need to get risd of the divisions that are bleeding them dry, there TV division being the worst one if you read any of the links i posted, even in my origianl post i quite clearly stated that i don't think they will go under, i DO expect them do downsize and they have already started by selling there stake in LCD tv's which was a very wise move in my opinion, i am just calling it the way it is, i don't want to see anyone go under because that means that people will lose there jobs.delta3074

Nah Ithink you do, you always post things against PS3, you never post anything good about it. Like all your Digital Fanboy links about how PS3sucks or all the ones about your silly PS3 end of the world links, anyone can do links. I just don't because they don't prove anything to anyone, so it's pointless. Your hear in SW, it's all a giant game of fanboys where everything here is overexaggerated and wrong, and we are all fanboys to some degree (including you). Only person who isn't fanboy is me and my friend The MajorMayor.

really? i think you should check my posting history and the many time i have said i love killzone 2 and infamous, also the fact that i believ the Ps3 is marginally more powerful and UC3 is the best looking game on consoles, i hate the controller yes and i prefer the 360's game library, but if you think i bash the Ps3 then you really don't know me at all,and you and majormayor are huge fanboys (i hope that was a joke).

I said different degrees, you have a fanboy in you but you try to keep it inside. Only fanboys go toDigital Fanboy sites and look at sillycomparisons,I'm not a huge fanboy and neither is MajorMayor. I usually agree with him on everything so how can he be a fanboy? And how am I fanboy?

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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Nah Ithink you do, you always post things against PS3, you never post anything good about it. Like all your Digital Fanboy links about how PS3sucks or all the ones about your silly PS3 end of the world links, anyone can do links. I just don't because they don't prove anything to anyone, so it's pointless. Your hear in SW, it's all a giant game of fanboys where everything here is overexaggerated and wrong, and we are all fanboys to some degree (including you). Only person who isn't fanboy is me and my friend The MajorMayor.

ShadowMoses900

really? i think you should check my posting history and the many time i have said i love killzone 2 and infamous, also the fact that i believ the Ps3 is marginally more powerful and UC3 is the best looking game on consoles, i hate the controller yes and i prefer the 360's game library, but if you think i bash the Ps3 then you really don't know me at all,and you and majormayor are huge fanboys (i hope that was a joke).

I said different degrees, you have a fanboy in you but you try to keep it inside. Only fanboys go toDigital Fanboy sites and look at sillycomparisons,I'm not a huge fanboy and neither is MajorMayor. I usually agree with him on everything so how can he be a fanboy? And how am I fanboy?

major mayor constantly bashes the 360 and even said that skyrim on the Ps3 was the 'superior' version and denys the reality that most multiplats DO run marginally better on the 360, he also says silly completely untrue things like 'Ps3 exclusives have 'VASTLY' better graphics than 360 exclusives, yes Ps3 exclusives DO have better graphics, but by about the same marginal amount as multiplats that run better on the 360, he also quite often states that the 360 is 'trash', look you are both more biased towards a particular system and company than i could ever be.
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]really? i think you should check my posting history and the many time i have said i love killzone 2 and infamous, also the fact that i believ the Ps3 is marginally more powerful and UC3 is the best looking game on consoles, i hate the controller yes and i prefer the 360's game library, but if you think i bash the Ps3 then you really don't know me at all,and you and majormayor are huge fanboys (i hope that was a joke).delta3074

I said different degrees, you have a fanboy in you but you try to keep it inside. Only fanboys go toDigital Fanboy sites and look at sillycomparisons,I'm not a huge fanboy and neither is MajorMayor. I usually agree with him on everything so how can he be a fanboy? And how am I fanboy?

major mayor constantly bashes the 360 and even said that skyrim on the Ps3 was the 'superior' version and denys the reality that most multiplats DO run marginally better on the 360, he also says silly completely untrue things like 'Ps3 exclusives have 'VASTLY' better graphics than 360 exclusives, yes Ps3 exclusives DO have better graphics, but by about the same marginal amount as multiplats that run better on the 360, he also quite often states that the 360 is 'trash', look you are both more biased towards a particular system and company than i could ever be.

That's his opinion, if you don't like it just ignore it. You have opinions too, like multiplats better on 360 (lol fanboy proven) I don't care though because that's just your opinion. IMO they are the same (aside a few cases) there are ALOT of sites that do comparisons, some say 360 is better and some say PS3 is better. Lemmings (that's what you are) just choose to focus on Lems of Noobs and Digital Fanboys because they cater to you, they have a few cases where they "go against the grain" but that doesn't mean they arn't biased. Besides I don't need a dumb fanboy site to tell me anything, I use my own eyes and I don't see a difference.

In exclusives I do, but again that's just my opinion. Everything here is opinion. You don't have to like it, and you have every right to disagree with it. Just like how I have every right to disagree with you and your silly links.

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Nope, corporate giants don't just go poof, especially when they are this giant.

parkurtommo
What makes you think this?
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I said different degrees, you have a fanboy in you but you try to keep it inside. Only fanboys go toDigital Fanboy sites and look at sillycomparisons,I'm not a huge fanboy and neither is MajorMayor. I usually agree with him on everything so how can he be a fanboy? And how am I fanboy?

ShadowMoses900

major mayor constantly bashes the 360 and even said that skyrim on the Ps3 was the 'superior' version and denys the reality that most multiplats DO run marginally better on the 360, he also says silly completely untrue things like 'Ps3 exclusives have 'VASTLY' better graphics than 360 exclusives, yes Ps3 exclusives DO have better graphics, but by about the same marginal amount as multiplats that run better on the 360, he also quite often states that the 360 is 'trash', look you are both more biased towards a particular system and company than i could ever be.

That's his opinion, if you don't like it just ignore it. You have opinions too, like multiplats better on 360 (lol fanboy proven) I don't care though because that's just your opinion. IMO they are the same (aside a few cases) there are ALOT of sites that do comparisons, some say 360 is better and some say PS3 is better. Lemmings (that's what you are) just choose to focus on Lems of Noobs and Digital Fanboys because they cater to you, they have a few cases where they "go against the grain" but that doesn't mean they arn't biased. Besides I don't need a dumb fanboy site to tell me anything, I use my own eyes and I don't see a difference.

In exclusives I do, but again that's just my opinion. Everything here is opinion. You don't have to like it, and you have every right to disagree with it. Just like how I have every right to disagree with you and your silly links.

they are not silly links, at all, you just choose to deny them because they don't suit your opinion, in your opinion SONY is doing fine, in the real world according to financial experts like credit agencys, SONY is not doing fine, the difference is i back my opinions and my arguments up with cold hard facts, lens of truth and digital foundry may be stating opinions,granted, but financial companys are not, there data is based on cold hard numerical facts which are not subjective and cannot be denied no matter hard you want to try, they do not twist the numbers because they are biased, they cannot because it is against the Law to do so.
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Not know, but maybe in the distant future.
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]major mayor constantly bashes the 360 and even said that skyrim on the Ps3 was the 'superior' version and denys the reality that most multiplats DO run marginally better on the 360, he also says silly completely untrue things like 'Ps3 exclusives have 'VASTLY' better graphics than 360 exclusives, yes Ps3 exclusives DO have better graphics, but by about the same marginal amount as multiplats that run better on the 360, he also quite often states that the 360 is 'trash', look you are both more biased towards a particular system and company than i could ever be.delta3074

That's his opinion, if you don't like it just ignore it. You have opinions too, like multiplats better on 360 (lol fanboy proven) I don't care though because that's just your opinion. IMO they are the same (aside a few cases) there are ALOT of sites that do comparisons, some say 360 is better and some say PS3 is better. Lemmings (that's what you are) just choose to focus on Lems of Noobs and Digital Fanboys because they cater to you, they have a few cases where they "go against the grain" but that doesn't mean they arn't biased. Besides I don't need a dumb fanboy site to tell me anything, I use my own eyes and I don't see a difference.

In exclusives I do, but again that's just my opinion. Everything here is opinion. You don't have to like it, and you have every right to disagree with it. Just like how I have every right to disagree with you and your silly links.

they are not silly links, at all, you just choose to deny them because they don't suit your opinion, in your opinion SONY is doing fine, in the real world according to financial experts like credit agencys, SONY is not doing fine, the difference is i back my opinions and my arguments up with cold hard facts, lens of truth and digital foundry may be stating opinions,granted, but financial companys are not, there data is based on cold hard numerical facts which are not subjective and cannot be denied no matter hard you want to try, they do not twist the numbers because they are biased, they cannot because it is against the Law to do so.

Sony is doing fine, and anyone who goes to lems of noobs or digital fanboy is a FANBOY. There are millions of sites like that out there and none of them are accurate, some say 360 wins some say PS3 wins, they are suited to get ad hits from fanboys on the internet. I find them silly because I know they are all (in most cases) identical. And yes Sony is doing fine, there will be a PS4 and Vita just needs some time, go count your doomsday threads somewhere else.

Now I need to get home from work now, so I'm logging off. Good day, also I win! But I always win every debate.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

That's his opinion, if you don't like it just ignore it. You have opinions too, like multiplats better on 360 (lol fanboy proven) I don't care though because that's just your opinion. IMO they are the same (aside a few cases) there are ALOT of sites that do comparisons, some say 360 is better and some say PS3 is better. Lemmings (that's what you are) just choose to focus on Lems of Noobs and Digital Fanboys because they cater to you, they have a few cases where they "go against the grain" but that doesn't mean they arn't biased. Besides I don't need a dumb fanboy site to tell me anything, I use my own eyes and I don't see a difference.

In exclusives I do, but again that's just my opinion. Everything here is opinion. You don't have to like it, and you have every right to disagree with it. Just like how I have every right to disagree with you and your silly links.

ShadowMoses900

they are not silly links, at all, you just choose to deny them because they don't suit your opinion, in your opinion SONY is doing fine, in the real world according to financial experts like credit agencys, SONY is not doing fine, the difference is i back my opinions and my arguments up with cold hard facts, lens of truth and digital foundry may be stating opinions,granted, but financial companys are not, there data is based on cold hard numerical facts which are not subjective and cannot be denied no matter hard you want to try, they do not twist the numbers because they are biased, they cannot because it is against the Law to do so.

Sony is doing fine, and anyone who goes to lems of noobs or digital fanboy is a FANBOY. There are millions of sites like that out there and none of them are accurate, some say 360 wins some say PS3 wins, they are suited to get ad hits from fanboys on the internet. I find them silly because I know they are all (in most cases) identical. And yes Sony is doing fine, there will be a PS4 and Vita just needs some time, go count your doomsday threads somewhere else.

Now I need to get home from work now, so I'm logging off. Good day, also I win! But I always win every debate.

so financial sites are full of lems now? get real dude and grow up please, i proved you wrong at every turn, i win this one my friend and running away will not change that,lol
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Look at how sharply quality and competition went down after sega left the gaming market (talking about them not being a part of this gen), if sony left it would be over for console gaming.

Some people may think it's cute to want sony to fail but with MS charging $60 a year for online now, with sony gone...forget about it, expect a monthly mandatory charge to play gamesonline or a ridiclious annual fee of over $100. that would probably just be the beginning. The jury is out on what ever nintendo is going to do, I have no clue.

casharmy

Console gaming isn't a necessity. If MS or others start to charge too much, people will just find other forms of entertainment or start gaming on other platforms like PC.