Sony:Microsoft spends too much money on third party, not enough studios

Rob Dyer, senior vice president of publisher relations at Sony America, has stated:

"They have very few first-party studios at Microsoft. Bungie's next Halo is the last one, Rare rarely puts out anything, you've got Peter Molyneux with his Fable stuff... but they don't have first-party development studios inside at Redmond or anywhere for that matter. We do."

"So rather than putting their money behind that, they've been going to Epic or Valve or BioWare to do what they did with Mass Effect, and that's where they throw their dollars"

"We're not going to compete with Microsoft on that front," he continued. "But what we have is a global business here. Our global business is bigger than 360's and will continue to get bigger than 360, and people are seeing that. We passed them in Europe and they don't even exist in Japan, and we're going to catch them and pass them here in the US as well.""

A gauntlet has been thrown i'd say :o

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MAKE psn better then xbox live then sony

Them be fightin' words.

How about Sony get out of last place before giving advice.SilentlyMad

their not 3rd place :P.. thats only USA actually, somtimes they make it second and somtimes 3rd just like the 360 while sony beat them in EU and Japan.. pretty much doing amazingly well.. USA only dosent really matter. yup cant wait for more great games from sony :)

What's interesting is for a software company, they seem to not be able to make software for their own platform. I think the xbox brand would be a worth while system if it had he kind of support sony has.

Everyone knows Sony has more studios than Microsoft, thats why 360 exclusives from third parties have a tendency to end up ported to the Ps3 later.

Looks like Sony is letting some of that cockyness creep back in :P

Well it's easy to claim they passed them in Europe since no one can seem to provide any evidence either way.

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]How about Sony get out of last place before giving advice.finalstar2007

their not 3rd place :P.. thats only USA actually, somtimes they make it second and somtimes 3rd just like the 360 while sony beat them in EU and Japan.. pretty much doing amazingly well.. USA only dosent really matter. yup cant wait for more great games from sony :)

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]How about Sony get out of last place before giving advice.SilentlyMad

their not 3rd place :P.. thats only USA actually, somtimes they make it second and somtimes 3rd just like the 360 while sony beat them in EU and Japan.. pretty much doing amazingly well.. USA only dosent really matter. yup cant wait for more great games from sony :)

omg so much fail in that reply

1- no they are not ;)

2- Their a big company they dont have to release their numbers for you to believe

3- and PS3 as well ;).. remember its software also does well despite the bigger userbase for 360

4- Sony lost when they started but little by little their gaining

4-The 360 has earned money while the PS3 has only made Sony lose moneySilentlyMad

I wonder why Sony is losing money on theirs and Micro is gaining profit per console? Maybe because sony actually put Next Gen features in their console. and for the better hardware. Better hardware usually costs more...

Man as long as the third party games their spending their money on is quality stuff i have no qualms with what microsoft does with its hard earned money, same thing with sony as long as its quality stuff they put out with their first party studios its all good to me.

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]4-The 360 has earned money while the PS3 has only made Sony lose moneyMrJack3690

I wonder why Sony is losing money on theirs and Micro is gaining profit per console? Maybe because sony actually put Next Gen features in their console. and for the better hardware. Better hardware usually costs more...

Thats subjective. Apart bluray that i agree is starting to be needed (and will be imperative for next gen), 360 brought exactly the same "next gen" hardware/technology as PS3. And did that 1 year earlier.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]How about Sony get out of last place before giving advice.SilentlyMad

their not 3rd place :P.. thats only USA actually, somtimes they make it second and somtimes 3rd just like the 360 while sony beat them in EU and Japan.. pretty much doing amazingly well.. USA only dosent really matter. yup cant wait for more great games from sony :)

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

their not 3rd place :P.. thats only USA actually, somtimes they make it second and somtimes 3rd just like the 360 while sony beat them in EU and Japan.. pretty much doing amazingly well.. USA only dosent really matter. yup cant wait for more great games from sony :)

finalstar2007

omg so much fail in that reply

1- no they are not ;)

2- Their a big company they dont have to release their numbers for you to believe

3- and PS3 as well ;).. remember its software also does well despite the bigger userbase for 360

4- Sony lost when they started but little by little their gaining

I don't know how anyone could argue with that, unless you don't like first party games. :(

MSFT made $375,000,000 in cash last quarter... and has stopped loosing money on the 360 in Dec. 2006. Sony needs to become profitable before they criticize the competition thats beating them in hardware and software sales.Vadamee

Halo reach is bungies last halo...did this all of a sudden indicate Bungie will no longer make video games? or video games for microsoft? no likely the next big bungie release will be...360 exclusive.

and sony is still in 3rd in most every thing...so...yeah

Sony does have a good point i admit...

You need to have your own house in check first (MS doesnt really have a house and just get other studios to develope their exclusive IP's) which i dont think benefits anyone really but thats my opinion cause as we have seen with a lot of this "exlusive to 360" malarky is in the actual end game they sometimes end up ported to PC or competor consoles.

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[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]4-The 360 has earned money while the PS3 has only made Sony lose moneyPAL360

I wonder why Sony is losing money on theirs and Micro is gaining profit per console? Maybe because sony actually put Next Gen features in their console. and for the better hardware. Better hardware usually costs more...

Thats subjective. Apart bluray that i agree is starting to be needed (and will be imperative for next gen), 360 brought exactly the same "next gen" hardware/technology as PS3. And did that 1 year earlier.

No 360 has only a 3 core processor @ about 3.2 GHz. Where PS3's Cell Processor has a Primary or dedicated core with 7 SPEs (not full cores) So logically this is about as powerful as a Quad (4) core processor @ 3.2 GHz each. so processing the PS3 > 360.

and also...You know what I'm not gonna explain it all.

Link Here's somebody who posted on a forum who understands this way more than I do.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]omg so much fail in that post. 1-Yes they are last 2-No EU numbers stop acting like you know what they are 3-The 360 is also ahead in Software 4-The 360 has earned money while the PS3 has only made Sony lose money 5-360 is not only still ahead of the PS3 after all these years but the X-box brand has grown greatly in market ratio while Sony lost a great amount of the ratioD-RS

omg so much fail in that reply

1- no they are not ;)

2- Their a big company they dont have to release their numbers for you to believe

3- and PS3 as well ;).. remember its software also does well despite the bigger userbase for 360

4- Sony lost when they started but little by little their gaining

So many things wrong in this post. Well first Sony is losing 18 dollars on the PS3 not 22, but business is still profitable overall anyway.

You cant tell if the 360 has regained its momentum since you have no worldwide numbers, only NPD, and besides PS3 is still winning in Japan. Also you got the PS3 attach rates all wrong since the PS3's attach rates are only 1.0 behind the 360.

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

their not 3rd place :P.. thats only USA actually, somtimes they make it second and somtimes 3rd just like the 360 while sony beat them in EU and Japan.. pretty much doing amazingly well.. USA only dosent really matter. yup cant wait for more great games from sony :)

finalstar2007

omg so much fail in that reply

1- no they are not ;)

2- Their a big company they dont have to release their numbers for you to believe

3- and PS3 as well ;).. remember its software also does well despite the bigger userbase for 360

4- Sony lost when they started but little by little their gaining

I don't know how anyone could argue with that, unless you don't like first party games. :(

Chutebox

You could argue that 1st party games are only a small part of the equation, and in most cases, overrated. MS has done well by being the system to play popular multiplats on and by getting 3rd party timed exclusivity.

MSFT made $375,000,000 in cash last quarter... and has stopped loosing money on the 360 in Dec. 2006. Sony needs to become profitable before they criticize the competition thats beating them in hardware and software sales.Vadamee

well that was very rude towards Rare and Peter Molyneux :S and the entire comment sounded very cocky. I hope MS don't stop opening 1st party studios after firebird, Spawnpoint and 343. I hope MS takes this the wrong way and declares war by opening new studios. It'd be great fun to watch sony and MS pummel each other in the dirt while we get more game :DmayceV

Why should i care what a person who works for Sony says about microsoft.

They don't have a ton of 1st party studio's but they make a ton of great great exclusives.

The best is still yet to come from both companies. biggest triple AAA games of any year this generation, 3d gaming, motion controls and dont forget price drops.

Sure I mean MS would be fools not to listen and follow Sony's good advise heck, they just trying to help MS all they can. :twisted:

[QUOTE="Vadamee"]MSFT made $375,000,000 in cash last quarter... and has stopped loosing money on the 360 in Dec. 2006. Sony needs to become profitable before they criticize the competition thats beating them in hardware and software sales.furomaster_99

I don't know how anyone could argue with that, unless you don't like first party games. :(

Chutebox

I don't know how anyone could argue with that, unless you don't like first party games. :(

Chutebox

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]How about Sony get out of last place before giving advice.finalstar2007

their not 3rd place :P.. thats only USA actually, somtimes they make it second and somtimes 3rd just like the 360 while sony beat them in EU and Japan.. pretty much doing amazingly well.. USA only dosent really matter. yup cant wait for more great games from sony :)

[QUOTE="D-RS"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

omg so much fail in that reply

1- no they are not ;)

2- Their a big company they dont have to release their numbers for you to believe

3- and PS3 as well ;).. remember its software also does well despite the bigger userbase for 360

4- Sony lost when they started but little by little their gaining

FIipMode

So many things wrong in this post. Well first Sony is losing 18 dollars on the PS3 not 22, but business is still profitable overall anyway.

You cant tell if the 360 has regained its momentum since you have no worldwide numbers, only NPD, and besides PS3 is still winning in Japan. Also you got the PS3 attach rates all wrong since the PS3's attach rates are only 1.0 behind the 360.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I don't know how anyone could argue with that, unless you don't like first party games. :(

tempest91

You could argue that 1st party games are only a small part of the equation, and in most cases, overrated. MS has done well by being the system to play popular multiplats on and by getting 3rd party timed exclusivity.

But wouldn't you prefer 3rd party games released at the same time and more first party games rather than playing a game before other people?

this coming from a company whose top 2 games are 3rd party exclusives,loldelta3074

How about Sony get out of last place before giving advice.SilentlyMad

While Sony is still losing this gen, they have a very valid point. This gen has shown that there are very few true third-party exclusives anymore. So MS is paying millions for exclusive games and content that can't guarantee success because people just expect Sony will get them later anyway. The same is true Sony exclusives going to MS, but those seem to be very few and far between because Sony doesn't seem to be willing to pay for that exclusivity.

In return, Sony is putting that money into developing titles they own and new ips that will become big hits. Take a look at Uncharted, Killzone, and Infamous as examples. All new IPs from this gen that have seen moderate to large success and will only grow.

So I think Sony is right and they have a better long-term plan despite being beaten this gen. MS is spending millions on titles that they can't keep and can't ensure Sony won't get anyway. Meanwhile, the new IPS that they actually develop in house, and own, seem to be falling by the wayside. Rare is the perfect example.

lol dont take advice form a company who thought it was a good idea to release a 600 dollar console

[QUOTE="delta3074"]this coming from a company whose top 2 games are 3rd party exclusives,lolFIipMode

I'll have to agree with Sony here.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="delta3074"]this coming from a company whose top 2 games are 3rd party exclusives,loldelta3074

[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="delta3074"]this coming from a company whose top 2 games are 3rd party exclusives,loldelta3074